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caldwell and kevin jorgeson have reached the summit of el captain in yosemite park. we told you about this recently but they free climbed, free climbed. no gear just their calloused hands and feet. the ropes were only to catch them if they fell. it's been called the toughest climb in the world. the president just tweeted themselves congratulations and we add ourselves to that list. thank you for joining us. ac starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. there is a lot happening tonight. we begin with breaking news. the arrest of a 20-year-old ohio man apparently inspired by isis who authorities say was allegedly planning on attack on the u.s. capital. he came to attention several months ago. arrested today by the fbi in an undercover operation. our affiliate wkrc obtained this
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picture. this is the arrest of christopher cornell. pamela brown joining me now with the latest. i speak to the young man's father in just a moment who said he's completely stunned. the details of this plot according to authorities, what did they say he was planning? >> reporter: the fbi, anderson is saying 20-year-old christopher lee cornell was in the final stages of carrying out his alleged attack of detonating bombs at the capital building and opening fire on u.s. lawmakers as they ran out. the fbi has been keeping an eye on cornell for several months now after a confidential informant tipped them off about alarming statements he allegedly posted on social media about wanting to launch a violent jihad and said congressmen were enemies. allegedly told me the informant in the complaint contact overseas and wanted to u.s. murder officials in honor of
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isis. >> at what point did authorities start to believe he posed a credible threat? >> reporter: we know authorities started working with this undercover informant in the fall. in late august cornell communicated with the informant, his plans saying i believe we should raise jihad under orders and plan attack. so when looking at all these social media postings the fbi obviously caught its attention and then started following him and then apparently from there, according to the complaint, the fbi alleges he studied the pipe bombs, buildings in d.c. and today, buying two semiautomatic rifles allegedly. shortly after that fbi charged with him attempting to kill u.s. officer. i think it's important to note he did not pose threat to the public during the course of the investigation over the last several months. >> pamela i think his dad is going to say, a, he didn't have the money to buy on his own and
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probably that the family believes he was set up to some degree by the fbi. do we know much about this informant who apparently connected the fbi with this young man? >> reporter: yes, we do. according to the criminal complaint, the fbi had been working with this informant, apparently this informant had troubles with the law so they worked out a deal. they said tell us what you know about others conspireing with and in communication with. in order to perhaps help out himself, alerted the fbi to christopher cornell who apparently had been in communication with at least since the past summer, told them about some of the communications he'd had with cornell. so therefore, cornell was put on his radar and then the fbi obviously opened up the investigation. anderson? >> pamela brown, appreciate the late breaking details. joining me on the phone now is john cornell, the father of the man fbi arrested just today. mr. cornell, thank you very much for talking to us.
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what was your immediate reaction when the fbi arrested your son? >> well actually we heard down on the door between 11:30 and 12:00 this morning. fbi, we opened the door good thing we did. crashed it down at least 15 fbi agents. green township local police here in cincinnati. they asked us. they never really they just told us they had a search warrant and they never gave us the whole information. they wouldn't tell us they said we'll tell you what it's about after the search. they wanted to take me his mother and his brother because we all three live in the same house. they wanted to take us in for questioning, which they did. they brought us back an hour and a half later. they were still conducting their
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search but when we were up there doing the interview with the fbi agents at our local police station, they asked me a bunch of questions and i said well i have a couple of questions for you. i said where is my son? what is he being charged with? and they said they were not -- because he was an adult, they were not obligated to tell me. actually they lied and said that they didn't know that they were just that the people that were handling the search warrant would tell us. they wouldn't tell us anything. >> yeah. when you actually learned the details of what your son has alleged to have been planning did you have any idea? did it make any sense to you? >> no sense whatsoever. you know he's lived at home his whole life. he's never -- well he's been out of the state of ohio a couple of times when he was younger when he wrestled. he was a high school and middle
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school wrestler. we went to wrestling tournaments, the only time he's been out of the state of ohio. he lived at home. very seldom ever left the house. he's a big mama's boy, you know? best friend is a kitty cat named mikey. i can't believe, this is just like total shock. i think i've had time to process some of this and i don't know the information that i got was supposedly made some statements on twitter, on social network, to someone and this person had some criminal charges and added to those charges or had those charges lessened turn chris over to the fbi. chris may have said things out of anger or -- there's just no way he could have carried out any kind of terrorist plot. no way. >> you don't believe he was capable? >> he didn't even own a car.
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>> i know you watch a lot of news and obviously he would come in the room when you were watching news there would be reports about isis and other terrorist groups. had he ever said anything to you about isis? i know he'd relatively recently converted to islam. did he talk much about it? >> no. no. i asked him, you know i asked him, you know what i mean? because i was concerned because of all the stuff that i see on the news. and he explained to me and said no. that's not, that wasn't part of his -- he said he wasn't part of a religion. islam to him was a way of life. and just had to let people be like christian people want to believe in christian ways, i guess you just got to let people be who they are and be who they want to be. >> what do you think? law enforcement is not telling the truth, do you think they led him out and do you think possibly the son really was
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plotting something? >> i tell you what. if he posted some things he may have said some things out of anger, if he posted stuff on social network, it's there. they have access to that. but what i'm saying is this. an informant turns this stuff over to the fbi months ago, right? and introduced him to another friend right? which happened to be an fbi agent, right? and i think chris has only left the house to go anywhere i think maybe two or three times in months. in months. he was supposedly going to a mosque where in actuality, what i believe was it was an fbi agent picking him up taking him maybe to an apartment and i think chris was coerced into a lot of this. i mean i know he's my son, but i would be the first -- i wish i
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could go over there and fight isis, but i'm an old man. you know what i mean? >> mr. cornell, i know this has got to be stunning for you. i know you thought he was sleeping at home last night. he left a note saying he was leaving, that was the first word you'd gotten of that. i appreciate you talking to us and we continue to follow this. we'd like to talk to you again. >> one other thing, anderson? >> he had money saved up. he had a seasonal job. worked across the street. only $1200 saved up to his name. and supposedly purchased today over $1700. i don't know where he got the other $500. i think it was supplied by the fbi. >> mr. cornell, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> okay thank you, anderson. i want to talk about this. former cia counterterrorism official. you hear the dad saying there who's understandably stunned by
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this. he believes maybe the fbi gave money to his son, maybe the fbi led him down a path he might not otherwise have been on. what do you make of those comments? >> there are inflection points in these cases that are common. i don't have the facts but i've seen so many cases, i can give you predictions. somebody an informant said i'm talking to somebody who's angry. sonthe father said the son talked about being angry. kid wants to do something about it. he doesn't have money. say we won't give you the money. at that point, you don't control the operation. that kid might say, hey, i'll go someplace else. all of the sudden, the oermgs'veperation is difficult to understand. maybe he goes someplace you don't know about. this is the informant. you sure you want to do this? you sure you want to do this?
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a dozen times the kid says yes. what do you do in this situation? i feel for the dad but when the police walk through the door let it go move it along so you own it or step away or risk the kid does do something you don't know about a year down the road. >> some people look and say, well, it's the fbi leading somebody on to do something they otherwise wouldn't. you're flipping it around and saying if the fbi doesn't kind of walk him down the path with him, he may go down some other path with some other people they have no access to or control over. >> sure. you want to own the case. i think there is a broader cultural issue here anderson. and that is this kid i'm guessing and we've seen cases like this you remember in ottawa the attack on parliament we saw the ax attack in new york city a few weeks ago against a policeman. we talk about the terrorism or radical islamic angle, the emotional or psychological state of the person. my guess is this individual
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remember this is a classic lone wolf. unlike the cell in paris, but my guess in a lot of cases i saw maybe emotional or psychological issues. when you go in front of a jury of his peers, the first thing the defense attorney is going to say is this is entrapment. case after case after case in the front end, saying it's entrapment. the jury will look at the tape sample i'm guessing. >> in your experiences though watching this stuff, following the cia and fbi, you've seen people some people who are ideologically motivated, some people do have connections to groups and some people have emotional problems whether it's aspirational or not, claim some kind of connection. >> that's right. i think you can make a
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distinction between the case. you can guess the emotional or psychological state is more stable. they're involved in a group of people collectively making a decision. when you see these lone wolves one of the first questions i have because people in this country want to vilify islam. i get attacks probably for this interview, anderson. the first question i have isn't whether he's a true member of isis. he's certainly a not, whether he's a sympathizer of isis but what's the psychological evaluation once he gets to the federal prison? >> thank you for your expertise. as i said there are a number of developments today both here in the united states and overseas as well. week after the deadly terror attacks in paris, a disturbing report that the gunman had rocket propelled grenades or at least one rpg and planned to use them to take down a grenade. that basically being a speculation on the part of the french police according to this reporter. plus the latest on the search for a reported fourth suspect right now.
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welcome back. as i said a lot going on. breaking news in the deadly terror attacks in paris. french authorities reportedly looking for a fourth suspect now who may have been involved. that according to a french newspaper "la parisian." killed four people in the siege friday and suspected in the death of a french policewoman. chief national correspondent jim sciutto joining me live now from paris. what do we know about this fourth suspect? >> reporter: anderson, two clues leading investigators to this fourth suspect. one, a set of keys found. registered to a motorbike that belonged to this man. two, am knewmunition found used in the shooting of a jogger the day before that attack which they trace possibly to this man. the trouble is french authorities believer this man already left the country possibly to syria.
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>> and the jogger identified the shooter, at least gave a possible identification very different than the appearance of ahmed kool baacoulibaly. that's why they believe it's a different person. right? >> reporter: that's right. amedy coulibaly, and this man described as caucasian. we had another clue it was a different suspect. >> should point out, not african-american of african descent. they took responsibility for the attack on "charlie hebdo." there's a video. i don't think you guys get that kind of direct media access but what are they saying? >> reporter: they're saying it's their attack. they're saying this attack was financed directed ordered. they even said there was
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involvement from anwar alki al-awlaki, he had roles as a contact with the kouachi brothers. it's not clear that aqap executed command and control of this attack. it's possible that something short of that was the case where they provided some funding, some training as you remember anderson. it's believed the kouachi brothers went to yemen to get arms training but it's possible they then made the decision on target time and place. but you know, it's early in the investigation. it hasn't been established definitively yet. >> the timing of the trip to yemen was 2011. a big delay. jim sciutto, appreciate the update. there have been reports that the brothers in the paris attacks had at least one rocket propelled grenade launcher. tonight, breaking news about what they may have been planning to do with them. this is a picture from
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surveillance video at the gas station where they stole food and gas while they were on the run after the attack from the "charlie hebdo" offices. you can see what looks like an rpg slung over the shoulder of one of the terrorists. we got word the brothers may have planned to use the rpg or maybe more rpgs to take out an aircraft. that comes from the channel tf-1. he joins me tonight. so geeam, this new information about the rocket launcher what are you learning? this has been a question all along. we knew that they had, there were early reports they had a rocket propelled, grenade launcher and there's a lot of questions about why they didn't use it at some point during their various attacks. >> reporter: yeah the investigators were very puzzled as to why they hadn't used it against the police early on. we know that they got detected
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located because of lpg, in the back of their car. a lot of several investigator we talk to now believe the aim of the kouachi brothers was to go to and were caught a few blocks away. north to paris and several investigators believe that they wanted to same aim at an airliner about to land or taking off. there's a portion very close to in between where they died and right next to where they're landing depending on the wind and the pass wasi. several people that was ultimately the aim to use rpg against the airliner in wasi. >> cnn has not been able to
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independently confirm that but during the standoff at the printing plant which is in this town as you say very close to charles degal airport, there were reports they actually closed down one or two runways, it would be interesting to find out if that is in fact why they closed the runways out of an abundance of caution. do we know yet where the rpg launcher or other weapons involved actually came from? because i've seen some belgian media reports. what are you hearing? >> reporter: there's several reports out of belgium. a lot of weapons, not just rpgs, in belgium funded through the northwest border of france. the french investigator investigating this claim that comes from the belgian police. what needs to be mentioned also, there has been nothing said by the kouachi brothers or written
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by the kouachi brothers proof that their aim was. leads some investigators to believe they wanted to aim at the airport. >> we appreciate your reporting. thank you very much. terrorist analyst,. colonel, you were just well that report was on you were casting doubt on the idea that that rpg could have been used to bring down a plane. explain why? >> anderson that to me from my analysis looking at the picture, that's rpg 18 to 22 degrees. that has about a 300 meter max effective range. go a little bit farther just flying but you'd literally have to be on the leading or trailing edge of the airfield to take
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that down at charles degal. helicopter? different story but i wouldn't use it for a commercial aircraft. >> the reporting was based on what he said he's hearing from french investigators. basically coming up with different theory but the question remains, if they had an rpg, why not just use it? whether at "charlie hebdo" headquarters when the police vehicle was blocking them in the road or other times with the printing shop? >> it's an anti-armor weapon. they knew eventually that the gign or the raid unit down south would show up with armored vehicles. so it would be a great opportunity to shoot an armored vehicle and destroy an armored vehicle. they penetrate armored vehicles and destroy them. >> paul what do you make of the timeline of all of this? in fact anwar al-awlaki came up
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with this idea and gave up an extensive sermon about the horror of these cartoons and target the people drawing them but if the guys with were there in 2011 there's a huge gap between 2011 and the time this took place, does it make sense it would take that long if not operationally directed by aqap? >> yeah that gap is pretty unusual. usually al qaeda puts plans into operation six to 12 months with final training. we saw with london 77 bombers in 1995. also in new york in 2009. but one possibility there is the brothers sort of waiting out the french surveillance. when the brothers got back in 2011 the french watched them closely and eventually lifted the surveillance in june of 2014. so one possibility is the brothers sensed they were being watched and they waited and waited and waited.
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>> we know the younger brother, said kouachi, got a job at a fish supermarket and never talked about politics. just the price of fish according to one person. >> that's right. and what alhe said was he was a double agent inside aqap he knew al-awlaki said don't show signs of radicalism. go back to everyday life so they stop watching you. >> the cartoons targeted it's hard to believe the only guys he may have had contact with and whether it's suggested or directed the idea of going after these cartoonists. >> well, you know anderson terror cells have a methodology and doctrine.
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we've seen back to september olympics. as you know terror cells are based on intent. anwar said this is my intent go kill these people. he tells the cell and they get funded and they do it. he turns it to the next cell and says the same thing. several balls up in the air and hopefully one comes down. that's how these cells work in the terrorism world. >> it's fascinating. thank you for being with us. just ahead, i talk to former mayor rudy giuliani the mayor when terror struck on 9/11. kouachi are far from the first brothers to carry out a terror attack. we look at other siblings who wage jae had together. i usually just go back home to see my parents so i can't exactly go globe-trotting. if i had friends to go with i'd go but i don't want to travel by myself. someday. male vo: there are no more excuses.
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checks at u.s. airports are being increased. department of homeland security is worried about bomb construction released by al qaeda in yemen. the wake of the terror attacks, a reminder that cities vulnerable everywhere. joining me now, somebody who knows this better than ever rudy giuliani who ran the city of new york during the attacks. he runs a security firm. attacking politicians, setting up bombs and also with rifles his dad says he believes the fbi led him down the path. from a law enforcement standpoint? >> the fbi has no other choice. the fbi was criticized in the boston marathon for not turning over enough police over the brothers who were going to attack. so you have to follow these things through. how can you lead somebody into
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talking about attacking the capitol? if somebody is talking about attacking the capitol, the fbi has to take that seriously. if they didn't and this man attacked the capitol, can you imagine the criticism of the fbi tonight? the criticism of the agents of the fbi if they didn't follow this through? so you've got to be responsible for the words that you utter. >> do you believe that there is a kind of a new wave a new style of attacks? since mumbai we've seen these kind of small scale attacks where even a handful of people we saw under the indian embassy in kabul, afghanistan. we've seen various locations in pakistan and certainly now in paris. >> this is a frustration i have. it goes way back. bin laden wrote about this in 1998 and 1999. how to energize these individual
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people or little groups of people. we saw it in 2005 in london. that was only a four-person attack from people who, some whom were english citizens. the sort of lone wolf smaller attack has been going on for quite some time and i think it's a very very big danger and i think it's much more difficult for law enforcement to follow because they're spread out. there's so many more of them. they don't use international communications as much. so we're not picking it up in the satellites. this is a very very big challenge and it puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the local police. >> if somebody doesn't have a social media profile and hasn't been spouting off on twitter -- >> very hard to find. this is why i've preached for seven or eight years, every time i speak to the fbi, you've got to use your local police of which we had 18,000.
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we look for the precursors of terrorism. what are you spotting? treat this almost in the way we treat street crime. >> one of the things, i talked to a lot of police and intelligence officials last week in france when i was there. and universally, said traditionally french authorities have done a very good job of infiltrating and giving us a lot of information. that's the thing. u.s. gets a lot of intelligence from british authorities beyond you know satellite data and communications data which the u.s. gets they rely on ground data from the intelligent agencies. the french seem overwhelmed with the sheer volume of people who are potential suspects. that's incredibly worrying because of implications for u.s. intelligence officials as well. >> maybe they underestimated. maybe it was too much for them. also maybe they were not putting enough resources into it. i mean shouldn't they have
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continued to follow these guys from the time they came back from yemen? why didn't they do it? they didn't do it honestly because they have to make resource decisions. >> right. i've heard it takes 25 to 30 people to track one person. >> same thing happened here. >> in 24 hours. >> micro resources. maybe we have to put more money, more resources and more people into this. because weer're in a very complex fight here. and i relate this everybody relates things in their own history dealing with the mafia way back in the '50s, '60s, and '70s. they denied the mafia existed. >> we should point out you were prosecuting the mafia. >> islamic extremist terrorists. it was a big threat only until
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director webster put three, four five six hundred. and 3,000 police officers into this but we got it done. i think we better recognize this threat. i'm a big critic of the president not using the words islamic extremist terrorism. he's the only world leader who doesn't, by the way. >> it's also interesting when you see when 9/11 happened the number of arabic speakers in the fbi was minuscule compared to what it is now. there has been the education and there has been -- >> there is considerably more knowledge. the resources are there. they need more people. they need more money and we should never back off following a possible terrorist because we don't have the resources. that shouldn't happen again because too many lives are at risk. >> mayor giuliani. appreciate you being with us. ahead, blood brothers in
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many felt were a sixth sense of deja vu. the kouachis are not the first siblings to wage jihad. it's a pattern we've seen many times before. jason carroll reports. >> reporter: said and cherif kouachi, partners in crime. brothers who shared not only blood but an extremist ideology but far from the only set of brothers tied to terrorism. boston bombing suspects dzhokhar tsarnaev and tamerlan. but before boston the brother's deadly plot there was already a long list of sibling terrorists. six of the 19 hijackers responsible for the attacks on 9/11 were actually brothers who worked in teams.
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alhazmi brothers sat together on american airlines flight 77 before hijacking and crashing it into the pentagon. and three of the terrorists were brothers. more than 200 people killed as a result. 2007. a failed plot to attack soldiers at fort dix in new jersey. three terrorists also brothers. why so many sibling connections? dr. harley stock is a forensic psychologist. >> being a lone wolf self-rad cloudy skiesing jihadist is hard to do. it's good to have help. the other issue, who do you trust? having a family member you can trust is helpful. >> reporter: two years ago in south florida, two men who happened to be brothers were charged with conspireing to use a weapon of massive destruction
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in the united states. a man who would only identify himself as the allegations are not true. >> i know my brothers are innocent. they never did anything wrong. >> reporter: counterterrorism experts say oftentimes even in the face of overwhelming evidence stick together and say the tight family bond can be tough for investigators to break. >> if you have a small group among brothers cousins, very close friends, it makes it that much more difficult for elite to get out or to penetrate that cell with an outsider. >> reporter: experts say the tightest bond of all may ultimately be beyond blood. it is the bond of extremist ideology the same one that drove the kouachi brothers the same that is likely to lead more to murder. jason carroll, cnn miami. >> joining me is former islamic extremist, maajid nawaz. maajid you became radicalized
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when you were 16 years old after your own brother followed -- joined. and basically followed his example. can you explain how that happened? >> yes, i mean there was a year different between us and the ties between brothers particularly from a cultural background muslim or a middle eastern or muslim background the ties between family are emphasized by the religion itself and the culture and on top of that facing the violent racism i did on the streets of essex in the united kingdom. my brother was sort of a protector for me when he joined the organization. i followed him into the movement. >> is there often, now in the last couple of days we had the case of several parents who said look i had no idea this was going on in my house and no idea my child was interested in this stuff. was perhaps even plotting something. do you hear that a lot from parents and how accurate do you
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think that is? >> it's very accurate for the parents to say they had little idea. my own parents were locked out by us. we didn't discuss matters with our parents at all. the type of islam that extremists come to practice is very different. the parents have taught them. it's a second generational thing with the rise of islamic extremism. it's less realistic for siblings to claim they had no idea. brothers can lead people towards extremism, they're also the front line of defense in pulling their siblings out. they can be very effective in making sure their sish lings don't join such organizations as well. >> you were saying the form of islam practiced by the parents is often very very different and not radical in the way their children and that's why it's a second generation thing. in some cases, is the children's form of islam, is it a response to the parents?
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>> well it's a response to of course the parents, a form of rebel yon. it's response to an identity crisis that's emerged. europe as a whole is facing an acute identity crisis with what it means to be european today and it's a form of empowerment in that. people born and raised in the west adopt imempowering narratives. i found hip-hop, a counterculture and it's that form of articulation through using western discourse and in fact islam, if you trace how it emerged, it did emerge it was heavily influenced by post-world war i fascist ideology. the entire western framework is articulated and islam is a product o of that. >> i think when people hear the parents say i had no idea they're skeptical about that but you've seen repeated cases of kids hide it from their parents.
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>> yes. i would be more skeptical about sib religionslings or spouses but i am less skeptical about parents. every case is a case by case basis. on top of that in the case of siblings and spouses, they may generally not know. i wouldn't want to point a magnifying glass on anyone and say they're lying but it's important to know second generation young european and western muslims generally who join islamist groups tend to be quite angry as well at their own parents' version of islam. it's a quite typical thing we see. >> maajid as always we like having you on. thank you. up next, the 9-1-1 call made by the country club bartender accused of attempting to poison speaker of the house john boehner. details on that ahead pair from six creations for just $15.99. .
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>> reporter: this is real charging michael robert hoyt with threatening to murder john boehner. the disturbed hoyt telling police he was jesus christ, even blaming boehner for ebola. the threat known about since last fall. boehner and wife knew bartender for years and had debby boehner's e-mail address and sent this chilling note after fired from the country club. said if i had any intention of hurting mr. boehner, i could have poisoned his wine at wetering ton many times. what's this about? rambling answer mrs. boehner, i was fired. i could not e-mail mr. boehner directly because of the zip code block on e-mail. the next day, placed an unintelligible call to 9-1-1. this is mike i messed up.
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>> police went to home hoyt said he heard the devil's voice telling him john boehner was evil and planned to shoot boehner with automatic weapon. >> it's a sad situation. i think this individual needs a great deal of help but the speaker needs to be protected. >> reporter: after september 11 security was stepped up. this vehicle known as bear cat sits outside. an deadly display when an assassin tried to kill gabbie giffords but do protect leaders and house speaker second in line to the presidency has more protection than any other. he does not make a move inside the capitol or out without security detail but nothing is absolute. >> there may be security next to them but they're a patron like any other customer. >> reporter: a bullet hole found in eric cantor's office.
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how common is this? >> more common than anyone would expect. they get angry letters from independents republicans, democrats. once in a while, someone says they shouldn't do and every time, the capitol police investigates it. >> reporter: capitol police are reluctant to talk about specific threats but know there's an entire division called the threat assessment section. when tragedies happen especially at the hands of people disturbed, there's a lot of shoulda woulda coulda. good thing police jumped on signs of trouble and prevented something potentially deadly from happening. the crash of airasia flight 8501 fuselage with one of the wings attached possibly more than 100 passengers bodies still inside. ♪ ac/dc: "back in black" ♪ ♪♪
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stories we're following tonight. amara walker has a 360 bulletin. ? >> dzhokhar tsarnaev's jury selection delayed due to terror attacks in france. accused bomber facing attacks for nearly 2 years ago. his brother died and 3 people died in the bombings and hundreds injured. searchers found fuselage of airasia flight 8501 in the java sea. divers will look for bodies. at least 50 have been recovered. more than 100 are missing and could be in the fuselage. two americans have made history at yosemite national park. they are the first to free climb 3,000 feet up the sheer face of el captain's don wall. all they used were feet and bloody hands to cover the half mile section. took them 9 days. many consider it the toughest rock climb in the world.
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a frightening moment caught on tape when a hippo surges out of the boat and charges at a group of tourists in zambia. a tour guide posted this on facebook. >> got to watch out for those hippos. that does it for us tonight. see you at 11 p.m. eastern. cosby show a legend under fire starts now. i'm don lemon. this is our cnn special, bill cosby, a legend under fire. many of us grew up with him. he wasn't just bill coorssby, he was huxtable. how do you go from the most
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