cold. although it doesn't heal as quickly either. it took us a while to climb the route. >> pretty incredible. they had the ropes just for safety. they literally without any help using their fingers. president obama recognized the men and made history tweeting so proud for conquering. you remind us anything is possible. you'll see him on anderson next. >> good evening, thank you for joining us. we begin in breaking news with the fight against terrorism in europe in france for more than a week now but today erupted in gunfire in belgium. anti-terrorism operations are going on in belgian cities right now as we speak. the terror cell that belgian authorities say was on the verge of carrying out an attack. that raid left two people dead a third suspect injured and in custody. a belgian source said some members of this cell had met with isis in syria and plotted

attacks to retaliate for u.s.-led air strikes. a western intelligence source said leads developed after the paris attacks were what led to today's raid. the operation was caught on video and posted on youtube. we'll play the whole thing for you unedited to get a sense of the intensity of the raid.

>> again, a belgian counterterrorism official said additional anti-terrorism operations are going on in other cities. we have reporters throughout belgium tonight. we begin with phil black. take us on the ground. what do we know?

we're obviously clearly having some audio problems there. we'll try to reconnect with phil black. as i mentioned, other operations are going on in belgium including i'm told now in brussels. we have a reporter chris burns, who is standing by there. i do want to go to him. he joins us on the phone. chris, i understand there was another raid today in a neighborhood in brussels. the suspect involved said to be still at large. is that correct at this moment? >> that's right, anderson. in a number of neighborhoods in brussels and outside of brussels as well there were a number of raids and the latest one was in a neighborhood where explosives were found inside a building. there was no suspects there. they're being searched for right now by police and another neighborhood was searched

scarebic close to the european institutions. it's coming close to home to a lot of people and the police have stepped up the security quite a bit to level three now out of four. that indicates the police. it's the first time it's turned so deadly. >> chris, i want to have you hold on. i want to bring back phil in verviers. explain the operation. >> reporter: the video you watched a few moments ago, it was shot behind me in a street locked down by security forces there. they moved into a property around 5:40 p.m. local time and as the video showed the occupants of that property they fired back. a prolonged gunfight resulted according to general authorities. that's what the video shows but in the end, two of the suspects

in the property were killed and a third injured and since being detained. what belgian authorities say they moved this operation and others across the country as a result of information they have obtained after an investigation that has been going on for some time. one that predates the attacks in paris against the "charlie hebdo" magazine. they say they received information that points theo a major attack. no links to the attack in paris but it raises the frightening possibility that the coincidence, if you like that this attack was planned ready to go so close to those events we've been talking about in paris. >> i want to repeat that phil as of now, authorities are saying they don't have any linkage between the cell that was operating in paris that undertook the "charlie hebdo" attacks and the hostage standoff. no linkage to this group in verviers. >> reporter: that's right. they said they have no firm link. we're hearing so far that this

relates to members of a cell that they say have recently returned from syria. "charlie hebdo," the kouachi brothers we know the links there are al qaeda and yemen. so at the surface, no direct physical link. there is no talk of the major players having any connection either. so the remaining possibilities that you're left looking at. they point to perhaps a koins coincidence coincidence, two separate cells or organizations, groups of individuals planning attacks within a short space or window in two neighboring countries or perhaps the possibility that there was some sort of motivation that the groups here received as a result of the events in paris. they perhaps altered their timetable in some way. all of this very much indicates and backs up the concern that terror officials have been talking about in europe over the last few months about the potential threat that exists here.

partly because of so many fighters traveling to syria, gaining experience and the fear is potentially orders before coming back here returns in the hundreds to potentially bring that conflict to this continent as well. too many, we're told repeatedly by the intelligence officials to follow closely here anderson. >> i want to go back to chris burns on the phone. the other raids you talked about, chris, there are reports that some of the suspects are at large. is that your information? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. that building where the explosives were found, they are at large. there was actually also a second building prosecutors say, in verviers where they found four clash nah caa lash

kala. and comb the site for evidence. they have scientific police investigators there who are really just combing it for every sort of indication that they could find to try to trace, track these people down. >> and do you know how long authorities have been watching this group in brussels? >> reporter: well anderson they didn't say how long. but we do know that for weeks, in fact even months we've been seeing these round-ups now and then of islamic extremist suspects but they did say that they moved in on verviers because of wiretaps and exclusively wiretaps on the phones of these three suspects who come back on the phone from syria and that they had, according to police they were planning to attack police in cells. that's why they cracked down on

them and that's why they raised the security measures. in fact even jewish schools will be closed in ann twerp and brussels. >> joining me now in brussels fred we learn more about leads that trigger this raid in belgium, right? >> reporter: hi anderson. that's something we have from an intelligence source and even though the cell might not be the attack in paris, there appears to be a link and goes back to an arms dealer by amedy coulibaly on the raid at the kosher store in paris. that man turned himself in on tuesday to authorities. the prem sis searched and also leads to jihadist. that they said led this whole operation a whole new sense of urgency. chris said they were monitoring

these extremists for a long time and then all of the sudden became urgent. other thing that happened last weekend, two jihadists returned from syria and appearrehended at the airport in brussels and authorities got another sense of urgency when they decided these raids need to be triggered immediately. they were monitoring for a very long time but certainly, once the arms dealer came into the fray and the two people returned from syria, that's when the authorities decided they need to move immediately, anderson. >> this arms dealer who apparently turned himself in he sold weapons, as far as the reports, sold weapons to coulibaly, the man who took over the supermarket and accused of killing the french policewoman, the same weapons used by the kouachi brothers or other weapons and also purchased by that guy, by coulibaly for the kouachi brothers? >> reporter: yeah absolutely. the police report we have is that the weapons report first of all arms in belgium and

possibly used by the kouachi brothers purchased in a gun market in brussels. also has a black market where weapons are sold. the interesting thing the arms dealer in charrlewois, you'll see an automatic weapon next to him that was purchased in belgium. also, the handgun he has in the surveillance video inside the kosher store, that was apparently also purchased from this man here in belgium. so certainly, this arms dealer is linked to all of this. it's unclear whether or not this arms dealer actually knew that he was selling weapons for some sort of terrorist plot because he became afraid of when he saw all these events unfolding and realized the guy he sold the weapons to had done all this. >> you have an arms dealer who turned himself in after

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welcome back. if you're just joining us breaking news tonight. anti-terror raids in cities in belgium. not much details on those raids so far but we know this raid was on a suspected terror cell. according to senior belgium counterterrorism official orders from isis to carry out attack in verviers and third custody right now. and global affairs analyst retired lieutenant colonel james reese. paul i understand you've been talking the a senior belgium counterterrorism official. what are you learning? >> they believe this group was connected to isis. they were recruited by isis and not only that they believe they were directed by isis to launch a retaliatory strike in europe specifically in belgium because of these air strikes against isis. bellgium is part of the coalition against over iraq so the belgiums think this is an isis plot which is trying to

retaliation for that very very worrying times in belgium. this is still a continuing operation. not clear yet that the danger is over. >> but you say recruited, directed by isis. meaning they had actually been in either syria or iraq in isis territory. >> yeah i mean these guys had been isis. the belgians think they were recruited and deliberately sent back by isis to launch a terrorist attack and this is a game changer moment because we haven't seen the isis leadership do that yet. i mean the plots we've seen before it some isis veterans coming back and launching attacks on their own steam. we saw that with the museum attack in brussels last may. killed four people in the jewish museum. even with isis and syria, the investigators think he did that of his own volition. they think it's a game changer

with the money and up to 1,000 european recruits. >> it's a game changer because of the time the european western nations got involved in the air campaign against isis isis so far has not directed attacks against the west or targets in western europe. you're saying if in fact this is isis directed or isis mandated that's why it's a game changer. it's the first time of a directed operation against a western european nation. >> absolutely. isis is clear on this. ahmed, a key figure in their group in september said we'll launch attacks in the west to punish you for this. they've warned and maybe their reaction. >> not just an excuse. clearly, ideologically, they would have liked to but haven't until now. colonel, i want to replay the video for the viewers in verviers and get your sense of it as a delta force member.

what stands out to you? >> so really it's kind of your classic counterterrorism assault here. what you really have here and you heard the gentleman on erin burnett's shows, he hears the booms. those are flash bangs. they were grenades. grenades do too much collateral damage especially an area where people live. the flash bangs start the fire. >> and they are completely disoriented if effective. >> what you want people to do is look in opposite directions while people are flooding in. really the other critical thing is fighting upstairs. that's difficult. the belgians did a great job here and i'm glad to see as we finally have captured somebody which now we can sit down -- >> very significant. >> yes, we can really sit down and see what this network looks like based off of his feedback in the interview. >> this tape goes for a minute

and 40 or so seconds. for an operation like this you want it to be as swift as possible and control as much as the elements as possible. i don't know how many entrances there were to the structure but only one entrance that's the worst case snare row. >> the rescue hostage scenario. like this surprise speed, violence of action. belgians had no one hurt. that's a good thing for them. >> paul the connection officials. it doesn't seem like they're clear on the connection between these raids and the attack in paris. it seems like as of now, they don't believe that's any connection. that's something they are looking at. >> they don't believe it's a connection. back to aqap they believe the one in belgium linked back to isis two competing groups. maybe the guys in belgium saw what aqap did and tried to respond like a one upman ship

from these two groups. >> like amedy coulibaly and the alleged policewoman on thursday pledged allegiance to isis not sure if there was direction by isis or him just trying to bolster his own credentials. >> there's no evidence coulibaly had any connection. he was fond of it and wanted to claim his operation for it but not linked to it in any greater way. >> belgium has also been very tough or trying to be the toughest against returning nationals who have fought overseas and i'm wondering if that has anything to do with kind of sharpening the divide there. >> well they've got to get tough because there's a big problem. 150 belgium nationals in iraq. almost all to be with isis and 30 of them killed there and 70 back in belgium. that's a lot for them to monitor. i'm half belgian. i go to belgium. i talk to officials there.

they're very stressed out there. they don't feel they have enough resources to combat this threat. >> it's certainly in the united states a concern but belgium is front and center now. thank you for being with us reese and "charlie hebdo." 3 million copies quickly sold out and first issue since the terror attacks in france. got a lot of new developments in the investigation. a trip that one of the suspects took to spain. that's now being investigated. also an emotional letter from one of the magazine's founding letters. a letter that surprised some people. chief national correspondent jim sciutto with us. coulibaly and girlfriend took to madrid days before last week's attack. >> reporter: that's right, this is the french authorities tracking all the attackers movements both before and after the attack to see if anyone else

is connected to this plot. they tracked amedy coulibaly and his companion, boumeddiene. she continues to turkey where we saw the pictures of her at immigration and to syria. at that point, later carried out the attacks and now looking to see if they saw anybody in spain or if there's any associates on the loose end in spain. this is a process not just going on in france but europe right now to see how far and wide this network extends. >> wasn't she in the video of her entering turkey wasn't she with somebody else? >> reporter: she was. this is why you do this. now they've found someone else tied to this. they've identified this man as someone else tied to a pakistani afghan terror cell. again, someone known to authorities before these attacks. they don't know his whereabouts right now either but also gives them more information because it

shows yet another terror cell network tied to the one that carried out the attacks here. of course the bad news with that is it just shows you there's a number of these groups operating now in europe. we have a reminder that is what we've seen going on in belgium. >> harsh words from the editor of "charlie hebdo" killed in last week's attack. >> this was a really difficult painful clearly, but also controversial note. helped found "charlie hebdo" in 1970. this magazine has been around a long time. he writes a posthumous letter. one of the cartoonists killed in the attacks last week and in it he's critical. he says why were you so stubborn in that he continued to publish these kinds of cartoons? critical of islam even after the offices of "charlie hebdo" were

fire bombed a number of years ago and he calls them an affectionate letter as well. he calls him a fantastic lad using the terms in the letter but critical too. it just shows that the visions over the publication of these cartoons are not just in the world and christian world or europe or in france but inside the magazine there were divisions over it. it shows just how powerful the controversy is. >> appreciate the update from paris. find out a lot more from cnn.com. breaking news about the cincinnati man accused of plotting an attack on the u.s. capital and lawmakers there. a new image of him in 2013. could it be a window into his mindset? details on that ahead.

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there's more information tonight. new information about the 20-year-old ohio man accused of plotting a so-called lone wolf attack on the u.s. capital. we just obtained this new picture from cnn affiliate wcpo showing christopher cornell protesting in 2013 at a ceremony commemorating the 9/11 attacks.

saying 9/11 was an inside job and above that the free masons were behind it. cornell caught in an fbi sting arrested yesterday and planned to bomb congress and gun down lawmakers. the fbi said cornell's social media postings put him on the radar and ready to carry out the attack. alexandra field has more. >> reporter: christopher cornell was a high school wrestling star. parents said they once had high hopes for a bright future but didn't seem to find his path until after high school. >> breaks my heart. he had so much potential. he could have got a scholarship. >> reporter: recently there was reason to be hopeful again. >> he just became a happier person. >> and his attitude changed. he became a lot happier. he said when he prayed he felt calm and felt at peace with himself and with god. he became just happy go lucky. >> reporter: he grew out his beard and adopted islam after

reading a lot about it and his parents saw signs his beliefvesfbeliefs had really taken hold. at the same time he was planning a deadly attack and raised the cincinnati home seefzing a book cornell had written in and computer, online authorities say he told an fbi informant he wanted to commit violent jihad. investigators monitored the plot as it took shape saying pipe bombs placed in the capitol and people shot as they fled the scene. >> no i don't think chris ever wanted to hurt anyone. >> then why say it? and why walk into the gun shop? >> i believe he was coerced. >> reporter: fbi agents arrested cornell wednesday after he bought two semiautomatic rifles and 600 rounds of ammunition at the point-blank gun shop and range in cincinnati.

>> we had the forewarning but greased the skids a little bit but things go smoothly as part of the sale. >> reporter: he showed cornell exactly what he asked for. >> a lot of thumbs up today. >> reporter: how did he strike you? >> he had done research but not a lot of hands on experience with the gun. >> reporter: cornell never fired a gun according to his parents. they say he never talked about isis and showed no signs of anger or violence. they say he spent much of his time alone. did he have friends? >> he had friends up until about a year ago. i think when he grew his hair out and his beard. >> reporter: on the day of his arrest he left a note saying we would live with a friend to get him work. their son now behind bars but his parents believe he'll come home one day. >> i feel that it wasn't him. it wasn't him.

>> alexandra field joining us. i talked to the dad last night. they're adamant the son didn't have resources to pull off the attack. any idea how this was financed? >> reporter: you have to look at the money in these cases, even talking about a relatively small amount of money. i spoke to the gun shop owner and the suspect came in with a big wad of cash 50s and 20s. he only had a couple thousand to his name. was it an associate? the informant? they can't ask the son that. he's behind bars. >> any other run-ins with the law? >> reporter: we're hearing from local authorities here that he was named as a person of interest in a vandalism case. he wasn't charged with anything we're aware of at this point in any case but did attract attention in the community as you pointed out. that rally or rather the memorial event in 2013 the 9/11 memorial event, he was the lone demonstrator there, the lone

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social media and internet. and we have a message for isis and fellow social media recruiters. leave our children alone. >> i spoke to sareen khan and thomas dur ken, actually the attorney for the son who joined us as well. >> you've spoken forcefully against isis against muslim extremists who try to through the internet. do you feel without that influence, your son would not be in the trouble he is in now? >> yes, i fully think that would not have happened if it wasn't for social media. if it wasn't for the internet he would never be in the situation he is in today. >> what is your message to other parents out there? >> to be i don't know maybe we

protected our children, frytrying to protect our culture or values. maybe that was a mistake. i would tell them to expose their children more to what's going on in the world, help them develop critical thinking skills different shade between the good and the bad guys and yeah i think that's what i would tell them to do. yes. >> shafi, did you notice changes in your son or a general sense of what happened? >> yes. lately for the past few months he was very quiet and more isolation because he was watching or doing something on social media. that's why he was brainwashed for the past few months. >> zarine what is your message

to those who try to recruit kids to isis? >> to leave our children alone. please. that's my only message. to stop recruiting these children. they're too young. they don't know what's going on. they're small. they don't understand what they're getting into. just leave the children alone. you know? they're too young not to misuse these children. their lives and their innocence. they're misusing the children's innocence. the children are gullible. they're vulnerable you know their thinking skills have not cleat completely developed and these people are preying on that. they're misusing them. their innocence and their youth which i want them to stop to leave children alone. >> zarine i know you can't get into the details of exactly what happened for legal reasons, but did you have any idea that

either of your sons or teenage daughter held any of these ideas? according to authorities, they left you several pages of letters expressing their believes. did those letters surprise you? >> yes, yes. definitely. yes. because those, the things in those letters did not reflect the upbringing they got. those values they don't come from us. it was so out of sync. it was so out of place. i don't know where they got those ideas from. it was so unbelievable actually. >> tom, is it your contention that their son is being prosecuted essentially for his believes for his ideas as opposed to wanting to actually get involved with a foreign terror group? >> what i'm saying is i think

the bulk of the evidence points to him wanting to live in a caliphate. there is no question that he is -- he became a very devout religious young man. if you have ever seen the slickness of the social media and this online magazine that isis puts out, you can understand how somebody 18 19 years old would be very easily fooled into thinking they were going to be able to live in a utopia. >> tom, isn't it naive to believe that anybody who has watched isis videos with all the horrors that they show and according to prosecutors, there's evidence that this young man and at least his sister have certainly seen the videos and reacted to them in some social media form. isn't it naive to believe that they would think they could just go live in a caliphate and which is essentially a war zone and not be combatants in fact prosecutors have said he made a

comment about possibly being a combatant. >> i think it's naive to think that you could go live anywhere in a utopia. i think the whole thing is naive. of course it's absurd. but i think that's part of zarine's point. this is a young immature person. the other children are even younger. this is nothing but immaturity. it's obvious to anybody who is well educated and has a lot of exposure to life that this would be absurd to think you could even go to a war zone. but they're not unique. there are thousands of kids doing this. and i think that's part of the point. what's causing them to do it? i don't believe in my client's case it's because he's a violent person and wants to go kill

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terrorists that were killed a few of them killed. went to abduct high ranking law enforcement officials either from the police or the justice department. they want to behead the victim and distribute just like in syria, as a matter of fact. >> this is the cell we talk about in verviers correct? >> reporter: it's the center. we were told that it was more a matter of hours than days because the terrorists waiting for an important uproot to arrive in belgium in verviers probably and as we learned, he did arrive maybe even on wednesday. that's what was the sign to act for police. >> is it your information as well that two suspects were

killed in this attack and one suspect is now in custody? >> yes. that's what we have learned. we don't know. it's very possible that there are more people arrested but we don't know yet. but there were three people shot in verviers two killed and one was apparently wounded. but arrested. >> this is something obviously cnn has not been able to confirm. can you say if your sources are law enforcement or government sources? >> reporter: well we were told by senior government source and it was confirmed to us by security sources. and we are running it on our front page tomorrow. >> guy van vlierden appreciate your reporting. we'll be right back.

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champagne and flowers. that is how two americans celebrated making history. they are a first to a free climb in yosemite's el capitan. look at the moment of triumph.

tommy and jorgeson. incredible accomplishment. welcomed with hugs. used only their feet and hands and a safety road to get to the top. each often only gripping razor thin holes with what seemed impossible. took nine grueling days. my interview with them in just a moment but what you may not realize it's not the first major challenge on the side of a mountain. >> reporter: it's been called the hardest free climb on earth. el capitan's infamous don wall. >> a bunch of ice go flying by you. >> reporter: for tommy caldwell perhaps not the most myiraculous story of triumph. caldwell and three others climbed here in the peralmi mountainside. >> we were taken gunpoint by two men. >> reporter: the climbers were

held for six terrifying days. tommy told his captors he and his girlfriend were married, hoping that would protect her. >> we were seriously fearing for our lives. we did not know what was going to happen to us. escape was always on the top of our minds. >> reporter: as they walked along a cliff one night briefly guarded by a gunman caldwell shoved him over the side and the ground 150 feet below. >> we saw a last chance by pushing our guard off a cliff. it's hard to think about that now but we're afraid we would not survive. >> reporter: caldwell was haunted, believing his captor had died. describes him as almost unable to speak until amazingly, he discovered his captor had lived. friends and family say his experience in kyrgyzstan.

he has tried to in el capitan but after 19 days of climbing it would not be denied. >> it's an amazing feat for tommy and kevin jorgeson. it was not to conquer the don wall but realize a dream that's come true. kevin and tommy join me from yosemite national park. kevin and tommy, congratulations. this is extraordinary to have accomplished something, kevin, that no one has ever done before. was there times when you felt like you weren't going to be able to make it? >> absolutely. i think that's the process of a big project. you're bound to have your ups and downs, your highs and lows and the last 19 days was no exception. there were moments when i didn't think i was going to be able to

do it and then there were moments of pure joy and relief as things were going well. >> and tommy, i know you lost your voice from yelling for kevin so much on the mountain but what was it like when you finally reached the top? >> it was like a big weight lifting. the whole climb was like a surreal experience but it was quite stressful. a relief getting to the top of the mountain it was pretty awesome. >> kevin, for people who might not understand much about climbing to free climb something like this the strength that's required. it's just extraordinary. and the danger too. have you always gravitated towards free climbing? >> yeah. free climbing only means that you're just using your body to get up the wall. any use of ropes or gear is just for safety. it's back-up. >> you have to be able to pull yourself up at types by your fingertips. how many may be a dumb question

but people in my staff wanted to know how many pull-ups can you do with just your fingertips kevin? >> i don't know i never really tried to find out. >> kevin, for you, what was the hardest thing? stupid and embarrassing but going to the bathroom has got to be a challenge. >> i think it's harder just to be away from your friends and family family. such a big awe dishes goal such as climbing the don wall. you know we could be pretty connected digitally up there, but there's no getting away from the fact it's just us up there on the wall for 19 days. >> and do you take long breaks? i mean what's the longest break you took? >> the longest break i took was 2 days at a time to let skin heal on my fingers. >> can you show me your hands? are your hands okay? >> i don't know if you can see

but the tips of my fingers are all bruised and on my index and middle you can see the remnants of the slices of the pitch 15. the 15th rope length of the route. >> you said it took seven years to prepare for the climb. what is that preparation look like? physical? is it looking at the route or know in advance exactly the route you were going to try to take? >> it took a few months of scoping out the wall of trying to figure out if there's holes that link from the bottom of the top and it took a lot of physical training and it took the mental training in terms of just finally coming to a point where we believed we would actually do it. >> what happens now. you pulled off what many consider to be the ultimate climb. do you have something in mind that you want to do next? >> at least for me i'm looking

forward to some stress free just pure fun climbing. this was, like i said before an emotional rollercoaster. a lot lighter now that we're back down on the ground. i'm looking forward to doing some light duty soloing or something mellow and fun until the next inspiration. >> none of that sounds mellow to me i got to say. i thought you were going to say like kicking back watching a movie or something. >> no. >> well it's just a remarkable achievement as you guys know. tommy and kevin, thank you very much. >> incredible stuff. we'll see you again at 11:30 eastern. anthony bourdain parts unknown starts now.