red debates. that's a pretty tough penalty. >> there are people who are saying we demand more than nine debates. >> we love those debates. the answer is yes. >> that's it. thanks very much for watching. you can follow us on twitter. tweet me or tweet the show. erin burnett outfront starts right now. breaking news. an international man hunt under way for suspected terrorists. members of the terror cell belgium targeted in deadly raids. new details from the raid. police found a powerful explosive after the assault. it's called the mother of say tin. we'll tell you how easy it is to make that. they also found police uniforms. al qaeda developing even more sophisticated bombs. they are training the next generation of bomb makers in yemen. we are live in yemen tonight.

let's go outfront. an international man mustn't is on for members of a suspected terror cell. the deadly raids in belgium yesterday did not wipe out the terror cell that was ready to launch attacks. the cell said to be very sophisticated with an organized structure, links to syria and iraq. we'll have much more in a moment. across europe police arrested dozens of suspected militants. 13 arrested. two of them were trying to cross over to italy. in paris a dozen detained overnight in connection with terror attacks. in london an 18-year-old woman arrested an suspicion of terrorism and in berlin, men in their early 40s, two of them arrested for links to isis.

police and hundreds of troops are on troll. according to investigators those arrested in belgium were part of a plot to murder police. when you see this across europe how great is the fear of another major attack right now? >> reporter: it's very big. you can tell the security forces are scrambling. they found police uniforms among the terror cell. they believe that the goal of this operation was to kill as many police officers as possible. the cops have to wear bullet proof vests at all times. the cops have to take their weapons home with them. this is one of first times in belgium history that troops have been deployed flds eded inside the country. the first will be deployed at

7:00 a.m. in the morning, which is a couple of hours. they will start guarding the jewish quarter. the terror alert is high. not just in belgium but in germany and the netherlands as well. >> thank you very much. there's fear and appears to be great reason for it. we have details on what the terror cell was planning to do in belgium. phil black is out front from the town where we saw the raid last night. you have new information tonight. >> reporter: this was the location of the intense fire fight between belgium police and terror suspects. two of them were killed here. the belgium authorities are not revealing much about those men just yet. what they are talking about and what they are revealing is some of what they found. the physical evidence which they say backs up their theory of just what and who these attacks

were going to target. gunfire and explosion ons thes on the streets of belgium. authorities say the alleged terrorist target police. >> plans to assassinate policeman in the street or at the police buildings. >> reporter: investigators say they found rifle handguns explosives and cell phones. perhaps more disturbing fake police uniforms. the man who shot video of this raid saw 10 to 20 officers storm the building. >> there was a lot of orders. something movered back. take care of. a lot of smoke and another big,

big detonation. >> reporter: officials say the planned terror attacks across belgium were hours, certainly no more than a day or two away. the authorities found handguns, grenades, explosives including the powerful explosive tatp. authorities believer they have delivered a significant dent to this terror plot and the organization that was putting it together. they do not believe the threat has passed from this group or perhaps others. that's why the belgium government is now mobilizing. 150 soldiers to guard key pieces of infrastructure buildings and such in the coming days. >> thank you so much. >> belgium federal prosecutor. thank you for being with us. you've said an attack could have been hours away.

how confident are you that the threat is gone? >> well we're quite confident that we took part it as we avoid terrorist attacks to be committed. of course zero threat is impossible. >> >> zero threats. i know it's impossible. i know you have arrested 17 people so far. are there going to be more arrests? >> in this particular case i cannot say if there are going be anymore arrests. it depends on the ongoing investigation. it depends on what we'll find in the search warrants and the people we have arrested. >> was the timing of your raids accelerated, sped up by what happened in paris? >> no.

the timing of this investigation has not been influenced by what happened in paris. of course we followed what happened in paris. the timing of this investigation, this operation was determined by the investigation itself and not by external influences. >> you have said that the suspects had plans to assassinate and attack policeman. we have heard reports that there were plans for some horrific things. things like public beheadings. what can you tell us about what they were planning to do? >> well i can tell you that they especially were planning to assassinate policeman. i know that in the past there's been rumors of kidnapping people and beheading people. at this stage of the investigation we cannot confirm that. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your time.

>> thank you. >> paul you're learning at this moment, he talks about this is still ongoing. there's major man hunt going on for a player in this. >> yeah. they don't feel they've got all of this cell in belgium, this terror network linked back to isis. the fear is there's still people connected with this cell. still at large and they may try to act to avenge the death of two of these operatives. >> one of people you've been talking about may be in greece. >> the belgiums feel this was directed by a isis operative in greece described add the plot director. a point person between this group and belgium. this does seem to be isis

international. isis now seems to be pivoting toward attacks the west. >> which you're reporting to me sounds like a game changer. what we have been told again and again is isis is a problem in iraq and syria. what we've seen from the west is people have gone to fight. they come back and do acts inspired by isis but not directed by, organized by coordinated by. you're mentioning all those words now. this is a whole new game. >> it's a whole new game. isis has incredible resources in syria and iraq. all these training camps. >> all this money. >> all this money. think about the 9/11 operation that cost half a million dollars. this is a group with tens of millions of dollars in cash reserves. they can recruit people. there was a whole logistical network that they're trying to take down. >> the big fear is when the prosecutor, i asked him about threats to police he was a bit

coy. it appears uncertain they know what groups are trying to do. that's frightening. >> they're still not sure ha they were trying to pull off. the reason they think policeman were going to be targeted is they heard on the wiretaps talking about perhaps going off to police. they believe this network had connections to other groups of young men who come back from syria at the same time they believe isis is pivoting into this international terrorism. this is isis bringing the war into the heart of europe. >> thank you very much. massive terror attacks disrupted. we have new information on what

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we're learning american intelligence played a role in the group on a raid. two people were killed. 13 others detained. the terrorists entire plot was being quote, monitored and watched. barbara starr broke the story. she's out front at the pentagon with more. >> we're getting a rare look into the very secret world of intelligence cooperation between the u.s. and european intelligence services. the u.s. intelligence community had been aware of the troft plot in belgium for weeks and sharing critical information with belgium authorities.

>> this operation was meant to dismantle a terrorist cell and the network behind it. >> reporter: the entire developing plot was being monitored and watched. part of an ongoing relationship between the u.s. and european intelligence services. >> we've got active and ongoing law enforcement and information sharing arrangements with our allies and those contacts continue.

two men returning from syria over the weekend, they squeezed them for information and then decided to act quickly. the wus was aware of the timing of moves. >> reporter: the u.s. intelligence community estimates more than 19,000 foreign fighters have traveled to syria. hundreds of them may be with isis which has vowed to send loyalists to the west to attack. the nato military alliane headquartered in belgium an tonight they too, are considering additional security measures.

>> thank you very much. >> good to have all of you with us. paul in terms of what they found, the capability of these cells to drive this point home to people who are following this story, they were incredibly capable in terms of the explosive that you're reporting they found, this was top notch. >> they went in and what they found were the chemicals you need to make tatp which is a high explosive. much more powerful than the explosive in the boston bombings. they felt were directed by isis. they also found police uniforms in this building that they raided the discussion. they wanted to get access to a

sensitive site with grenades. >> bob, they felt they were about to start doing that. this is something you know about. there's a street name for this. tatp, mother of saten. >> very very it can rip through metal. it's very easy to make. you can make it in your kitchen. you simply boil down peroxide. you can find these formulas on the internet. you can blow up anything you want. it is unstable. if you're using this stuff in syria or iraq you can pretty much hit it 100% if you go out

with an experienced explosives network. this is what has the belgium police nervous and everybody else in europe. >> i would imagine everyone else in europe and the u.s. we know people have been going over there to fight. they get this kind of experience. in the u.s. there's a response as well. >> there's many things going on in the u.s. as there should be. we are a country that is federalism. lots of communication from the fbi and the department of homeland security to the building blocks of what protects be homeland local and state public agencies. >> they're trying to ratchet up their preparation. >> keep them aware.

>> the point we just heard, you, european passport you go fight in syria and come home to europe. there's no record your passport you were in syria. you can just fly to new york. things are going to happen or can happen. part of this is engaging the american public for watching out for what's around you. >> bob, if there are other members of these cells out there, we do understand looking at the numbers that barbara is referring to you have thousands of europeans who have fought in syria and no one is sure where they are now. some could be in syria. many back in europe. some could be in the united

states. now there's this decision to start raiding and arresting all over europe. some cells but not all of them. do you think this causes some people to go ahead an rush attacks that they might have been planning? >> i'm not so sure rushing attacks. they're going after low hanging fruit. these are people that have been identified as having traveled to syria. their names are out there. it's the people we don't know about that did some fighting and now coming back and their names are not on a watch list. you have to file for it a the night before your travel. it's the people they haven't identified on these lists that could come to this country that know how to make tatp. very easy to make. you can make it in day and

launch an attack like this. can i it will you there's something here now? no. people in law enforcement say they are here these supposed cells. i'm not sure what that means and how worried we should be. >> how many people are they that they don't know about? they're not even watching the people on the lists. how many are there that aren't on the lists? clean passport. no one knows what they are doing but may know how to use the explosives. >> they just don't know. a european official said look at the last couple of weeks. this is the new normal for europe. this is the new normal for the west. this game changer moment from isis directing terror plots in europe against the west in the

heart of europe. the nato buildings. >> the capital of europe. there's a huge symbolic thing many americans may not think of. when you hear about what paul's reporting, this game changer that isis is no longer well it's in iraq and syria and they're beheading people. now they are sending people home. they are coordinating organizing troughorganize ing terror cells. it's a whole different game. >> part of the nar tifr was out of sight, out of mind. the government can rub its belly and chew gum at the same time. the intelligence has been suggesting it for over a year there would be these kinds of attacks but nothing is perfect. we know that. the united states is a country of over 350 million people. it's part of a global economy and the challenge for any white

house, any department of homeland securities, how do you balance people getting on planes, commercial activity. people's desire to with being secure as we can. we're constantly recalibrateing it. >> of course you're going to see that as you did after 9/11. when something happens people are willing to give up some of their freedoms. thank you. next hundreds of suspected terrorists hiding in sleeper cells waiting for orders to strike. al qaeda trading militants a and now we're hearing developing new bombs. a next generation of bomb makers. we're live in yemen with a report you'll only hear on cnn.

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an international man hunt under way for members of the belgium terror cell. it's one of many of the sleeper cells in europe which follows last week's bloody massacre at "charlie hebdo" which was carried out by a sleeper cell. a cell that lay in wait quietly

for years. we have information on how these sleeper cells operate. >> a western official with knowledge of the paris investigation tells cnn tonight there's huge concern over the danger from sleeper cells in europe and elsewhere. the worry is over the unknown when where and how they'll strike. a terror cell disrupted but europe is still bracing for more as as attacks attacks. there could be several sleeper cells ready to strike from france, germany, and the netherlands. >> the worry is how and when will they be activated. >> reporter: former jihadists says a sleeper cell is made up of a few operatives. they are acting on behalf of a foreign country or terror group taking instructions from it or inspired by a group and acting a on their own.

they're living in the city where they want to strike selecting targets. >> they already are there. they have the ability to cross borders and live without being on the radar scene. >> reporter: they are skilled at blending in. >> they have regular jobs. you might see them at the strip joint drinking alcohol. anything to take off the claim or suspicious they might be muslim terrorisms. >> reporter: the 9/11 attackers did that. he almost went to iraq to fight. he broke away went undercover for canadian intelligence and helped bust a terror cell in toronto. he says many don't communicate with their handlers by phone or over the internet. some are told don't go to mosques. don't give a hint of your religion. >> could be shave your beard,

remove your religious garb. that will be determined by the handler or sometimes even the operatives in the cell itself. >> they wait for a moment. >> reporter: the sleeper cell dynamic is always changing. a u.s. counter terrorism official told me these days terror cells do a lot less sleeping. they actively plot hope to avoid suspicion and very often direct the terror strikes themselves rather than wait for a signal. >> pretty incredible. thanks so much to you. former jihadi turned double agent working for western intelligence. he says they don't use the internet or the phone in a lot of these cases because they know the nsa or someone might be

watching them. how are they communicating? >> first of all, i suspect most of them are not. i've been listening to the commentary. those of us in the business never use the phrase sleeper cell. typically what you get is people who might be trained by a group in yemen and iraq. they are coming home. the communication is suggesting back home is very limited or zero. nair they might have a day job. they are sent home. some of these groups don't have the capability to manage that sophisticated operation and every time you communicate that's a vulnerability that people like me live off. >> you're saying they are coming back and plotting in person together in the groups? >> i think that's correct. it's interesting the al qaeda

and yemen claim for the paris attack included a claim that the target was selected in yemen. i'm suspicious of that. they gave the people the capability capability. someone sends a message and says go tomorrow against "charlie hebdo," i don't buy it. >> how many of these cells, whatever word you want to yuds to describe them do you think is out there actively plotting attacks? we knew people were coming back from ieraq and syria. paris happened. i know they're trying to say it's not related, but it clearly is on some level because there's raids across europe. >> it depends on how you define cell. if you're talking about informal groups of people who arengry and

might have travelled overseas and thinking about targeting, you got to be talking about hundreds of people in europe. i'm not trying to be an alarmist. if you look at the numbers there's a lot of alienated people who says this looks looic a good idea. i'm not trying to minimize the threat. i would worry about people who informally connected and harder the find because there's no communications to look for. >> it's a terrifying thing. the one thing to do is not talk about it at all. thanks very much. next al qaeda's new bomb technique is being built in yemen. they are training new bomb makers after claiming responsibility for the paris attacks. police the newest target for

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tonight about al qaeda stepping up its bomb making capability. the terror group based in yemen is the same group claiming responsibility for the attacks on the "charlie hebdo" magazine. al qaeda is developing new techniques. they are training the next generation of bomb makers. cnn is in yemen. nick payton walsh is there. how is the turmoil in yemen helping al qaeda in creating this new generation of bombmakers that you're learning about? >> reporter: this country has been mired in civil conflict in here. one western diplomat that some of the yemenis are taking up arms to assist some of the pro-al qaeda tribes here. less than to worry about it and

have more opportunity to focus on external operations. that's getting the next generation of bombmakers. ready to potentially attack the west. >> as we know in the u.s. they were saying a lot of airport screening was not able to stop -- it's focused on metal. that would be a significant development. i know you're learning more about the kouachi brothers and their trip to yemen. >> reporter: the vital thing for investigators to work out the exact dates in our moments for the brothers or brothers who may have come to yemen here. we're hearing one key detail. the older brother first came here in august of 2009. that's key because he goes onto say he came in and out for two or three different trips until as late as 2012. that puts a large window for him and perhaps his younger brother

cherif who said to come in 2011 to learn weapons training or other techniques inside of yemen. a lot of officials angry that they are saying this is where they learned their skills. >> thanks very much to you. you hear the morning called a prayer there. an american born jihadist is believed to be the inspiration and source behind that "charlie hebdo" attack. >> reporter: he's an american inspiring a generation of young men to take up arms and attack the west. >> i would not reconcile between living in u.s. and being a muslim. >> reporter: he's more powerful in death than in life. >> he still remains the most

important english speaker in al qaeda's broader association movement. his ideas out live him. >> reporter: killed in a drone strike three years ago he appears to not only have inspired and planned the paris attack but financed it as well says one of the gunmen. >> i went there and sheik anwar financed my trip. >> he's been cited this connection with nearly two dozen terror plots including inspiring the boston marathon bombers and ft. hood shooter, instigating the underwear bomber and plotting to take down a british airliner. born in las cruces new mexico he went to school in colorado on a u.s. taxpayer grant. he moved to san diego and began

preaching from a mosque. >> he was an american citizen and his sermons were actually you know nothing with them. >> reporter: a year before the 9/11 attacks two of the hijackers showed up at his mosque. he fled to yemen in 2002 never to return. his words stayed behind. his deceptive message is that the west is trying to destroy islam. >> that's what they're doing today. they're plotting to kill this religion. >> reporter: preaching it's incumbent on american and english speaking followers home or away in yemen. terror expert calls him a salesman with modern appeal. >> he translated that material but he also infused it with a lot more emotion and really made it speak to people in a much more sort of personalized an emotional way. he encouraged do it yourself

jihadism but do it yourself propaganda propaganda. >> i spoke to a former accolade who was with him and he said it was his charisma that made him so compelling. >> this is man who was killed at the height of his power. he's got a james dean aura. he was talking to these young people. the fact he was killed by a target of the drone strike his message continues. the way he talks is if you and i are just out for an evening over dinner. it's multiplied because there's so many english speakers now. >> thank you very much. fascinating report. next authorities believe belgium police are being marked

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they say parts of attack on police. 13 suspects were arrested. they found assault rifles massive cash of explosives and police uniforms. kyung lah is out front with a report especially here on police officers and how they're becoming a key terror target. >> reporter: the gunman immediately opened fire as police confront them. the officers outline visible from the cell phone video. three terror suspects two of them shot to death had automatic rifles. bomb making material and alarmingly police uniforms. belgian prosecutor called this terror attack imminent a plot to kill belgian police and stations. the men and women in uniform increasingly targets by extremists because of the badge they wear. shortly after the "charlie hebdo" murders, a gunman kills the already wounded paris police officer on the street. the next day, a uniform police

officer in the parisian suburbs killed by a terrorist in an ambush. may 2013 a busy street in london. two attackers hacked a soldier to death in broad daylight yelling they say they killed the soldier because muslims are dying daily by british soldiers and it's not just in europe. last fall in ottawa canada michael zahavabo a follower of islam, is seen charging but canada's parliament building. moments earlier, began the rampage by killing nathan sa sarilo. captures zale thompson yielding an ax moments before surprise attack with two uniformed. self-directed in this attack. one the glapdnypd called an act of terror.

isis rereleased a video rising to kill law enforcement in canada france australia, and the u.s. what does it mean when they are targeting law enforcement in western countries? >> i'm really kind of at a loss because usually the terrorists like to hit the civilian population. that's what causes the terror. >> reporter: retired special agent stephen moore ran al qaeda investigations in the asia pacific region for the fbi. he says their game has fundamentally changed. the uniform has to be visible. does that make you a visible target? >> of course it does. we have taught ourselves to have visible police. now you're just saying here we are. >> reporter: so what can police do? well, the fbi send out a bulletin telling officers to essentially be on alert, watch their own backs. but erin we have spoken to law enforcement who say that perhaps given this new threat during

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mentioned the work saying videre is shaping action into governments. we've seen two videos. a man is beaten at a political rally, an attempt to intimidate him to voting for the opposing party. and here amateur footage reveals a woman who performs female genital mutilation in western kenya. as a result of these videos and others like that perpetrators have been exposed and even brought to trial in some cases. the technology videre uses is so secret we're not allowed to share it with you but yukobovic and his team use spy cameras that look like memory sticks. >> how to regulate it? there's no way to control how it's used. something could be filmed and used to blackmail somebody or maybe solicit a bribe. >> reporter: it raises questions

about videre's ability to keep its members safe. >> this can take out regimes. this can stop corruption. this can save women from being raped. >> and we want to share something exciting with you. outfront is going global starting tomorrow air on cnn international on saturday at 9:00 p.m. and 3 p.m. eastern. sunday at 10:00 p.m. and 8 p.m. eastern. heart of the global conversation and hope you tune in. "ac360" starts now. good evening. i'm wolf blitzer filling in for anderson. we begin tonight with breaking news about the terror operations under way right now in belgium. concerns there's some members of a terror cell that are still on the run, a possible isis connection and new and disturbing details about what the cell was planning to do. cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank has been getting new information from his counterterrorism sources in belgium and that includes word that the cell targeted in this raid had obtained bomb making material. paul is joining us