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that are still at large. what are your sources telling you about them? >> reporter: wolf there's a significant concern about the members of this cell believed to be at large in belgium tonight. the fear that belgium counterterrorism officials have is they could still strike they could still be armed and they may wish to strike to avenge the death in that shootout yesterday of two of the fighters who were killed. fighters believed to be linked back to syria and to isis been recruited by isis. the belgians believe this was an isis directed plot. they have intelligence subjecting there was a middleman, a key operative in greece who was running the operation from there. they reached out to the cia to try to get help to locate this operative in greece. they weren't able to do that. he's still at large as well. so significant concern that isis is pivoting towards wanting to launch attacks in europe against the countries involved in air
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strikes against it in iraq and belgium is one of those countries. >> the bomb-making material that they obtained in these raids, i understand it's the same material al qaeda planned to use to attack new york back in 2009. is that correct? >> that's absolutely right. that was the night azazi plotted to attack in september 2009. this is a powerful explosive. many times more powerful than what we saw in the boston attacks, for example. relatively tricky to make because it's so unstable so you need to get some training. so the belgians believe that this cell likely got some training in syria in how to make explosives wolf. but the concern here is that this could have been a sort of terrorism spectacular. because of the fact they found this explosive, because of the fact they found these police uniforms. that is suggestive of the idea they'd want to try to get access to a sensitive site somewhere in
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belgium. where you have nato where you have the european commission. this is the heart of europe. >> certainly is. paul cruickshank, thank you very much. there's been a constant stream of terror-related arrests throughout all of europe through the past week in france. four people have been detained in addition to the 12 arrested in connection with the paris attacks. two suspects were killed in the raid in belgium and there have been 13 arrests. two alleged isis supporters have been arrested in germany and an 18-year-old yesterday, yes, an 18-year-old woman was arrested at an airport right near london on suspicion of terrorism. along fast moving developments in belgium tonight, cnn's frederik pleitgen is joining us from brussels. what's the latest on the ground there in belgium? >> reporter: well the -- i was just speaking to a senior official here in counterterrorism. he was the one who told me that of these 17 people rounded up in these terrorism raids yesterday, only three are actually still in custody. the rest have been released
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apparently that might be indicted at a later time but of the three who were released is also the surviving member of that raid in verviers. remember wolf yesterday one of the raids went very violent with two people who were killed. one of those people survived and the interesting thing is that the official tells me the reason why that man survived is because he was under the shower when that raid started. however, the other two who were in the house in verviers were heavily armed and ready when the police got there. the latest we got is that they had the guns and immediately fired open at the police officers when they started the raid and that's what led to the very long shootout and ultimately to the death of these two people. the official we're talking to also tells us that he believes it was those three who were at that site in verviers who were the ones who were supposed to carry out the killings. he said the other ones were involved in that plot were doing logistics. these people were the ones who supposed to kill flifrs and the
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site where the police uniforms were found and that of course wolf causing the great concern in belgium tonight. and police on a high state of alert. police officers are not allowed to walk around alone in groups. they have to have bulletproof vests even when they're off duty, wolf. >> all which makes an enormous amount of sense. there were terror operations in france germany, the u.k. what more can you tell us about those operations? >> reporter: well the big question is right now is whether or not these were any link to the belgium operation. belgium keeps saying they don't and they also don't have any sort of link to the paris operation but it does seem like quite of a coincidence that all of these take place at the same time. there are sources who are saying as many as 20 cells might be operational in europe and those were the targets of some of these operations. as many as 120 to 180 operatives
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might be involved in these cells. and so therefore, there is grave concern in europe as you've mentioned, in germany, in the netherlands, in france and in belgium as well. and these are threats that of course are ongoing. one of the things our sources keep tells us is yes, they have nabbed some people in belgium. arrested some people in germany. they always say they can never stand out. there are people out there, these connections sometimes are very very loose but there might be people out there who want to avenge for instance what happened here in belgium yesterday, wolf. >> all right, fred in brussels. thank you. cnn getting new information about what the united states knew about the terrorist plot in belgium. our senior white house correspondent jim acosta joining us with more on this. what are you learning jim? >> reporter: president obama and prime minister david cameron from the u.k. say they'll continue to do everything they can to help france seek justice after last week's attack and thwart terrorist plots that are
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unfolding in bell yum and across europe. my colleague, barbara starr, reported that the u.s. intelligence community was tracking a plot taking shape in belgium and was providing information to belgian authorities. wolf i can tell you a senior administration official told me within the last hour that the u.s. is in close and continuing contact with belgian counterparts and offer what i call potentially relevant information that they believe might have the possibility of aiding that investigation. this official did not want to confirm what that information might be but wolf, this is another indication of a major worry for the obama administration and governments across europe that these foreign fighters are flowing. two syrian countries like that back to the u.s. back to the west and can potentially carry out attacks on the home front. >> and with president obama and the british prime minister david cameron, today, there were points where they didn't necessarily all sound like they were on the exact same page when it comes to the global fight against terror, isn't that fight? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. i mean you heard the prime
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minister discuss what he described as a very serious islamist threat. the president urged europe not to use a hammer or law enforcement alone in dealing with this issue. he also suggested that countries across europe need to play catch-up when it comes to integrating muslims in their societies. also i thought it was striking. you heard the prime minister saying he wants high-tech companies like apple and google to be more cooperative but still stunned by the edward snowden scandal saying privacy rights cannot be thrown overboard. these two leaders while sounding tough today, they weren't on the same page and obviously have some disagreements to work through, wolf. >> that was clear to all of us who watched the news conference. jim acosta thank you very much. joining us now, phillip mudd and joining us on the phone from belgium, vlierden. what's your latest reporting on
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the belgian cell and possible connection to isis? >> reporter: look i think what we're going to see over time is an explosion of these cells. pick up hard drives pick up cell phones. i'm guessing that it will show a connection with people in isis who are directly responsible not for trying to take territory in iraq and syria, but for turning attention solely to try and train people who come back to europe or potentially north america. my guess is that in the forensic investigation here that is picking up the data from cell phones and laptops and in the interrogations of these people over the coming days. we will find at least direct connectivity to trainers in isis who are responsible for training foreigners to go back home. >> guy, i understand your sources are telling you that another aspiration of this group was isis-style beheadings. that they wanted to post on the internet. is that right? >> that's right. that's one of the things brought out today. i have to say, the federal
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prosecutor's office today declined to elaborate that kind of luck. the aim was to kill policemen but without giving anymore details. but we got second confirmation from a very high ranking government source that was at least spoken about. we don't know for sure whether it was the final ideal but at a certain point was certainly discussed. >> guy, do you also know whether or not these alleged terrorists who have been picked up and others in this so-called sleeper cells, were they ready to become so-called martyrs? were they ready to die in all of these operations against people in belgium? >> reporter: we're not sure about that at the moment. little is known about the
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identities for example. so we can't trace them back to any past communications they have already given. i read about one of the people who was named, that's still very uncertain. i read one of his former messages on facebook in which he told once a guy in syria and told we will come back to belgium, it will be with a weapon. it will be to take revenge against people that have marred the devil. it will be only to revenge, to take revenge in the name of allah. that was one of the things that guy, the adults his followers on facebook. >> that's pretty chilling stuff. phil, the breadth of these anti-terror operations in europe is stunning. if they're not all connected, why are they all happening simultaneously? >> reporter: i think one of the
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things that's happening is we're seeing something that's surprising me. that is the pivot of isis. just last summer we were talking about how quickly isis was taking over geography. for a terrorist group to turn around in six or eight months and start training people for operations in europe is remarkable so i think what you have is security services watching what's happening in belgium and paris and saying we're sitting on a lot of cases. we better not sit on them too long because the speed with which they're going operational is faster than we're accustomed to. one more thing as a former operator wolf and that is when you take cases like this down you also shake the wires. that is if there are other people out there, the likelihood that someone might make a mistake and communication goes up. so there's an opportunity created by these raids that might allow you to see things you didn't see three days ago as people get nervous. >> phillip mudd guy van vlierden thank you. quick reminder. set your dvr to watch "360"
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whenever you'd like. up ahead, the arrest in paris related to last week's deadly attacks and whether we know if the kouachi brothers were working on direct orders from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. also ahead, the united states sending hundreds of troops to train syrian opposition forces against isis and al qaeda. a lot of concerns about that plan and we take a look at all the angles when "360" continues. female vo: i actually have a whole lot of unused vacation days, but where am i gonna go? i just don't have the money to travel right now.
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let's get back to the breaking news tonight. an international manhunt under way right now for terror suspects thought to be still on the run after those raids in belgium. meanwhile, there have been new arrested in around paris in connection with last week's shootings. we're also learning more about the attack on the "charlie hebdo" offices and the siege on the kosher supermarket and the possible terrorism alliances between and behind those attacks. our justice correspondent pamela brown is joining us live from paris right now with the latest. pam la what at least a dozen suspects detained last night in paris? what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's absolutely right. we've learned that the dozen suspects are eight men, four women, wolf who had an affiliation with amedy coulibaly, one of the terror suspects. we're told that he was in the terror organization. we're not sure whether they were complicit with the terrorist
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attacks here or whether they unwittingly provided lo gist chal support. here in france you can hold systematics or people of interest for several days. and then so they're going through the process now questioning them wolf to see if they have probable cause to hold them any longer. >> pamela the attacks last week do the authorities there in paris yet know whether or not they were specifically ordered by the aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, leadership? >> reporter: well despite al qaeda's claim to responsibility in the recent video that just surfaced i'm being told by sources that at this point it doesn't appear that there was command and control coming from aqap. a source i spoke with is more like highly franchised terrorism with loose general instructions basically told look. you pick the time you pick the place. we want you to launch a terrorist attack. i'm told that the brothers the kouachi brothers were legitimately aligned with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula.
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we know one traveled to yemen in 2011 but amedy coulibaly, that's less clear to authorities. they still don't know what his connection is with isis. he may have just been an isis sympathizer and that's what they're trying to pin down at this point. >> any connection between the kouachi brothers and amedy coulibaly and the supermarket, what are your sources telling you about that? >> reporter: we knew they were in the same circles, in trouble in the law. coulibaly released the video where he said he was aligned with isis and he was coordinating with the kouachi brothers or at least insinuated that. and sources i'm speaking with that are part of this investigation say that's not yet clear. they have not been able to nail down yet whether there was actually coordination between the brothers and coulibaly or whether coulibaly just saw their actions and then followed suit taking his own actions as, you
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know, a direct response to what the brothers did. that's still unclear. this investigation is still ongoing, wolf and there's still a lot of answers that investigators are looking for. >> i suspect there's going to be a lot more arrests in the days ahead as well. pamela thank you very much. pamela brown reporting from paris. as pamela mentioned, a western official is now telling cnn that the kouachi brothers were quote, legitimately aligned with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, an alignment by several accounts included training in yemen. cnn senior traditional correspondent nick payton, the only from an american television in yemen. with the capital, sinai. this is dangerous for you. first of all, be careful. what is the connection over there between the kouachi brothers and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, aqap which is based in yemen, where you are? >> reporter: the kouachi brothers said they were working
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for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and said one of the key figures killed by u.s. drone strike in 2011 anwar al-awlaki was in fact the man who helped organize what they were doing. that was a sentiment echoed by the statement we heard in the last 72 hours from aqap. an 11 minute video in which they said al-awlaki has been the organizer. the key thing for investigators though is to work out if that's true. they have the two bits of matching jigsaw can't actually fit them together at this stage. that's the key for yemeni officials to answer here. they're working with western allies. one said as early as august 2009 the elder brother, said did come to yemen. that's helpful because it means it's possible as now two witnesses are telling us he briefly roomed with a man called the underwear bomber in detroit in 2009. but more details still have to emerge here. most key is this interior ministry official goes on to say
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the suggestion that said came in and out two or three times until maybe as late as 2012 did his younger brother cherif come in on his passport in 2011 and most importantly, was 2011 when the brothers made their last trip here the end of their communications with aqap? did they become a sleeper cell or was there resources and planning or targeting passed from here in yemen to the cell in paris? vital questions now for investigators across europe to answer wolf. >> nick that overall situation in yemen where you are right now, it's awful. some people suggesting that it's almost like a failed state, get outside of the sauna. don't know what is going on. correct me if i'm wrong, all of this is clearly helping aqap. >> reporter: well the initial chaos of the yemen civil conflict here created that vacuum in which aq could find a place to exist here. but it's getting worse all the time. the economy is on the edge of
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collapse. there is a predominantly at pro sheer in the western. checkpoints all over this city. that has got al qaeda and many sunni tribes here al qaeda dominantly sitting in clashes with them. that's had an impact too on al qaeda's ability to recruit because many nervous sunnis here. in fact joining up with them on the local battlefield. what one diplomat said that's helping against the west. they've got more guns on the ground here. that makes it easier for their people to run external operations wing to in fact focus on attacks like what's happening in paris and the diplomat said to me focus on grooming the next generation of bomb makers chilling stuff indeed. >> nick payton in yemen for us. courageous. thank you for your excellent reporting. a whole lot on this and so many other stories at cnn.com. just ahead, the pentagon's
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today, the pentagon said it will deploy more than 400 u.s. troops to train and equip moderate rebels in syria and target isis. the training will take place in turkey qatar and saudi arabia. we've seen how strong the pull of isis is other extremist groups as well. from paris attacks to raids on militants across europe and the pleas of an american mother whose son is charged with supporting isis. here's what zarine khan told anderson last night in an exclusive interview. >> zarine what is your message to those who would try to recruit kids to extremists to isis? >> to leave our children alone, please. that's my only message. to stop recruiting these
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children. they're too young. they don't know what's going on there. you know they're small. they don't understand what they're getting into. >> so one significant question tonight, would more training by u.s. troops really make any difference at all in the battle against syria or is it too little too late? joins us now, cnn security analyst, former cia officer bob bear and former delta force member retired lieutenant colonel james reese. bob, u.s. personnel on the ground in these other countries training these so-called moderate rebels. do you think that's a pretty bad idea? tell us why. >> it's not such a bad idea as it's too late. we should have done this in 2011 form an army to remove bashar assad. you've got the isis islamist additional wolf, we've talked about this before but i think these areas of syria, the sunni
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areas and iraq are pretty much gone. we're seeing the break-up in the middle east. we can try to put our finger in the dike but at the end of the day, 300 is not enough. the only way you're going to hold syria together and iraq is put american ground forces and who knows for how long but i just don't see this working. >> colonel reese, what do you think? what do you make of what bob just said because you think the u.s. potentially needs to do more as far as what's going on in syria right now is concerned, right? >> yeah, wolf. i believe we're either all in or all out. when i say all in we need to get more folks there to do this training. we need to get the jor danians, the saw des all involved in a training aspect. if not, step out and tell the arab nations, hey, it's on you. but the other point is this. what do we do with the spiders once they're trained? do we go after assad, we say it's a center of gravity on this
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whole issue for the last six months or going after isis and bypass assad? that's another question but 400 troops half of them support troops in a 2: 1 ratio. you're talking 200 and training at a 10:1 ratio, not good with a higher level to fight what's out there in syria right now. >> bob, what do you make about that point that colonel reese just made the u.s. has to do something that america just can't leave that large swath of syria and now iraq for that mart matter under isis control and clearly the u.s. coalition air strikes make a dent but i suspect not much yet. >> well, the colonel is absolutely right. we can bomb them for the next 20 years, but that's not going to change things on the ground. the bombing has blunted the islamic state's offensive against the kurds and baghdad. they can't get out of the road. that's fine but at the end of the day, the totalitarian regime
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has a complete hold over these people. you're right, wolf we can't let this thing go but there's something we need to do diplomatically politically to fix this. i mean, when you defeat bashar al assad who next and then beat the soviet army in the '80s but once the weapons crossed the border and the trained personnel, you can't account for them. they're not under our control and then the flow of history will go the way it goes. you know in spite of our best efforts. >> it's been going on like that for hundreds of years, colonel. once the united states goes in there, robustly with hundreds of thousands of troops there's no doubt the u.s. can get the job done but look what happens in those countries as soon as the u.s. pulls out. look what happened in iraq for example. and given the huge investment the u.s. made. >> well, wolf, i'll be very
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candid with you. if you talk to the mid level commanders out there over the last 15 years, guys in my year coming through and my folks on the ground now. they look at this like a nazi germany with hitler and how it all lays out. and one of the things we have to do is either commit or not commit. and we always sit in the middle and go back and forth in this middle ground in the gray zone. it's either black or white. like in germany, we committed there for 50 something years and if we do this right, we've got to commit that way also. >> what a dilemma indeed. guys thank very much. bob bear colonel reese. ahead, what investigators might be able to learn from the wives of the paris attackers. the three women. they knew each other but did they know what their husbands were planning to do? and how deep are their ties to each other? plus have the paris terror attacks tainted the jury pool in the boston bombing trial? dzhokhar tsarnaev said they
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still untangling the puzzle of who may have helped the kouachi brothers and amedy coulibaly take out the terrorist attacks. as pamela brown told us moments ago, it's not clear if there was any formal coordination between these three men and whether the wives may have helped them. coulibaly's wife hayat boumeddiene, believed to have traveled to syria days before storming the supermarket in paris killing four jewish men and turns out she knew the other wives. prosecutors contend they were close. so what evidence is there? what does the evidence show? tom foreman with more on this. i know you've been digging deeper on these connections, tom. what have you found? >> no question authorities think there's a web of terror among these men but they are looking hard at the wives. obviously, they're looking for her, but they also want to find out what is going on in these
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communications. 500 phone calls between her and the wife of cherif kouachi. there's been denial generally from the women of past investigations that they knew anything but the question is were these questions all benign or did they have some notion that something was going on or were the women in fact active conduits and participants? they were using the women's phone and contact to go around that surveillance wolf this is a real concern out there and something authorities are looking at very closely, wolf. >> for a long time we've been hearing from terrorism experts that women are more involved in the operational level. this does seem to fit into that trend, right? >> it absolutely does. i was reading a military report of this and basically, the reason women are being recruited is first of all, number of combatants. these groups are feeling the pressure of people being killed and afraid to join them all the
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military force against terror groups by allowing women, they double the number of combatants. surprise many women are still able to go places that men can't because they're just not suspected in the same way. media value. when women attack in a terror attack if it's big enough they get much more coverage than men do. that helps create a bigger image for these groups and lastly their shaming value. men with the power centers and basically able to say, the organizers look at the women out there doing what you ought to be doing, it helps draw men into it. all these are reasons that terror groups have been aggressively recruiting women more why the investigators in this case are looking at the women so closely, wolf. >> as they should. all right, thanks very much tom foreman. good explanation. i want to bring in national security analyst julie kayan. julia, what do you make of this? how much do you think these
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women connected to the paris attackers actually knew or didn't know how crucial is it for the authorities to figure this out? >> it's absolutely crucial as it is in any case because they were close to terrorists. i mean whether they knew everything only had some partial information or completely out of the loop, they can testify or give information about where they were, who they knew and who their partners were communicating with. we keep talking, as tom just said about these hundreds of phone calls between hayat and one of the girlfriends. what we don't know now is were the men actually using the women's phones because they were fear ful fearful that their phones? that's a lot of phone calls between two women whose partners just happen to then launch terrorist attacks. >> i want to be precise, what
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you're suggesting is that the male terrorists might be using these women in their lives as cover for some of the communications some of the plotting. people tend to not suspect women in this. >> one thing investigators will absolutely be looking at is were the women's phones used because it was a way for the men to communicate with phones that might not have been under surveillance? if the men are already being targeted by european intelligence agencies they may have been fearful that, you know through wiretapping or through eavesdropping that they were under some scrutiny. so we're going to be looking at those phone calls, not just that they happened but what was the content and who was on the other side of the phone? >> julia, in massachusetts, i know you're from there. the widow has been killed in the boston bombing. never charged with knowledge. is that tough for you to believe?
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>> it isn't. just given the dynamic of some of these relationships which is there's a big power differential so there's a different relationship between the men who may be domineering and the women who may suspect something is going on but too afraid to ask. so that may be the dynamic that we're seeing with the tamerlan case. the investigators talked to her. she's not under indictment and what we don't know at this stage because the case is unfolding is will she eventually help prove the guilty case against the young brothers? in some ways the federal government is probably keeping its cards behind its hands about what she knew only because she will end up being a great witness if she's willing to testify for the united states. >> juliette kayyem thank you. no way to be delayed over the paris attacks.
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tasked with a difficult job. finding 12 jurors and 6 alternates who are partial. must decide if dzhokhar tsarnaev is guilty or not and then decide if he should receive life in prison or the death penalty. three people killed hundreds more were wounded in the double bombing near the finish line of the boston marathon nearly two years ago. plotters say tsarnaev plotted the attack with his brother who died in a shootout with police days later. former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin joining us now. jeffrey, is finding a truly impartial jury almost an impossible task here? i would think there's got to be very few people in the boston area who didn't have preconceived preconceived notions about tsarnaev's guilt. >> one of the things i find about high profile cases with journalists, we follow this closely and in fact they don't. it's not a disqualification to
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have heard of the bombings. everyone has heard of the bombings. but the people who didn't follow it closely, who don't have preconceived notions, they're eligible. there are more than 1300 people who have been brought in for jury selection. i have no doubt they will be able to find a jury in this case. >> and the fact that every member of the jury and all the alternates they have to be open to sentencing tsarnaev potentially to death. that's got to narrow down an already small pool even further, right? >> that's right, because and that actually plays into a big debate about death penalty cases in general because there are a lot of people who say, you know, i could definitely be fair in rendering a verdict. but i could not sentence anyone to death. those people are all excluded. so the only people who are on death penalty juries in the united states are people who will consider it and that
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creates, some people think, a more conservative group of potential jurors. but here again, i don't think there will be a problem given the vast number of possible jurors out there. >> the lawyers, as you know they actually petitioned for a change of venue. that request was denied. would a change of venue really have made much of a difference in your opinion? >> you know that's a very tough call. i know the judges and the appeals court were divided 2 to 1 in boston. given the fact the whole metropolitan area was involved some way or another, you could see why some judges might move it out of town but i'll tell you one thing about this case. it may not be the worst thing in the world for this defendant, for tsarnaev to have a boston jury because yes, so many people were traumatized but it's also one of the most liberal places in the united states. there hasn't been an execution in the commonwealth of massachusetts since 1947.
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it is a death penalty hot bed. and i think they may well get jurors who say, guilty but at least one juror saying no death penalty and that would be enough to stop the death penalty in this case. so i think boston is kind of a mixed bag for both sides in this case. >> good analysis jeffrey toobin thank you very much. let's get the latest on some other stories we're following. amara walker with a 360 bulletin. >> hi wolf. the u.s. supreme court decides whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry or if states can ban them. justices will consider four cases from michigan kentucky tennessee, and ohio combining them into one. a federal judge has ruled the ohio man suspected of plotting to attack the u.s. capital should remain in jail without bond. the fbi says christopher cornell bought two rifles 600 pounds of
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ammo and planned to bomb the capitol and shoot lawmakers and others as they fled. the ncaa agreed to reinstate 112 wins to penn state making the late joe paernt once again the winningest coach in college football history. the wins wiped out due to the jerry sandusky scandal. today's decision part of a settlement to a lawsuit brought by a pennsylvania state lawmaker challenging the ncaa's actions. and more than a decade after it went missing, a european spacecraft has been spotted on mars by a nasa probe. nasa's images show the beagle two landed safely but only partially deployed. cannot analyze rocks, soil and the atmosphere for signs of life. but hey, now we know in the very least, it landed on mars. >> that mystery resolved. pretty amazing, isn't it? >> yes much more of a success than initially thought.
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>> welcome to cnn. good to have you. >> thank you. >> thanks very much for that update. up next an incredible story, an incredible mother pregnant and diagnosed with cancer. what she decided to do may surprise you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the evolution of luxury continues. the next generation 2015 escalade.
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stephanie elam has her remarkable story. >> reporter: for ashley bridges, her life was good. she and her boyfriend jonathan and excited to become a family. the only distraction was her knee that began aching in the spring of 2012. >> i had gone to the doctors multiple times and was like it's probably just arthritis or ver vercits. i was like i can't walk anymore. >> the fall of 2013. before making it to a specialist the pain became so intense that ashley had to go to the hospital. >> they did an x-ray and the doctor came in and said you have bone cancer. >> reporter: a cancer known as osteosarcoma osteosarcoma. >> if it was earlier, do you think it would be different? >> yes. >> reporter: how does that make you feel? >> um i'm -- i'm angry.
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>> reporter: ashley had surgery. they replaced knee and removed the majority of her femur and doctors said she should start chemotherapy immediately but there was a big risk. she was ten weeks pregnant with a baby girl. >> they told me what would likely happen to paisley and i'm not going to kill a healthy baby because i'm sick. her life is just as important as mine if not more important. like as a mother my job is to protect my kids. >> did you think you were going to beat it? >> i did. it's one of the things where you're like naive. >> reporter: ashley was unwavering in her decision to delay treatment, a choice that could ultimately cost her her life. she knew jonathan and her mother would support her no matter what. >> i always tell her it's not over until it's over. you never know. you might get that miracle. >> reporter: after giving birth, a full body scan revealed the
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cancer spread throughout ashley eats body, even into her brain. >> it's hard to be in pain all the time. >> reporter: her doctors say she has six months to live. >>. but you're not buying it. >> no i'm really pushing for paisley's first birthday. >> reporter: after the terminal diagnosis, ashley and jonathan moved their wedding date a couple of months in november. >> to make sure i could enjoy it because things change so quickly. you know i could not be walking in a month. just magical. >> reporter: lindsay naviatoro planned the wedding and photographed the newborn to engagement and holiday pictures. documenting life's firsts which in ashley's case could be her last. >> at the end of the day, they're not just for her but the moments for kids because she won't be here. >> my kids are going to have
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these. they're going to have these memories. >> what do you think your legacy will be? >> i want my kids to know how much i love them. and how much i fought for them. >> reporter: fought for them and gave her daughter life even if it means sacrificing her own. stephanie elam california. >> and amazing mom. that does it for us. thanks for watching. i want him dead.
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