who say she's too cozy. while awaiting her return to the public stage, even senior republicans and those democrats pushing to draft elizabeth warren concede her 2016 staff recruits are top notch. that's it for inside politics. again, thanks for sharing your sunday morning. i'm off to foxborough this morning. go patriots. we'll see you soon. "state of the union" starts right now. as many as 20 sleeper cells, 180 jihadis waiting to bring more terror across europe. is the u.s. next? i'm jim sciutto and this is "state of the union". >> this is breaking news. breaking news across the atlantic. all of europe under siege now. military and police deployed by the thousands across belgium and france as the chief of that continent's combined police force says he cannot guarantee anyone's safety.

cnn bringing you breaking coverage as it happens as only we can. our correspondents embedded around the globe, ivan watson nic robertson. and anything paton walsh in yemen. first to ivan where 12 coordinated raids first hinted at how large this network of terrorists can be. ivan belgian officials say parts of this terrorist cell are still active. what is the level of concern there? do they have a handle on exactly who's still at large? >> well the global concern is so high jim, that the belgians took a very unusual decision to deploy troops in the streets of two belgian cities, soldiers for the first time in more than 30 years this weekend. it's only about -- going to approach about 300 soldiers in all, but it's still a very symbolic gesture putting them out to defend embassies, government buildings as well as jewish institutions, synagogues

and so on. the belgian prosecutor in charge of the investigation keeping his cards very close to his chest. so far not identifying the two suspects who were killed in a gun battle with belgian police on thursday when police started their round of raids. the belgians say that they intercepted a cell that was planning to attack belgian police officers and they found police uniforms in the custody -- in the possession of these suspects. they have since pressed charges against five belgian citizens accusing them of participation in a terrorist organization. three of them are currently in belgian custody, two released we're told under strict conditions. there are two more belgian citizens currently in custody in france that belgium is trying to extra diet back to belgian territory. we do know that belgium has a problem with jihadis.

it has the highest per capita number of expected jihadis who have traveled to syria. jim. >> many hundreds there. imagine the alarm in the u.s. if we had anything close to those numbers. thanks to ivesan watson in belgium. nic robertson is in paris. nic, french authorities have released some suspects. when i was there for the last ten days it struck me that the french authorities did not have a particularly tight handle on who remained in the cell. has that changed in the last 48 hours? >> jim, it doesn't appear to have changed, at least the information released so far. the 12 arrested they are all women. the 9 who are still being held will be held we're told for at least the next 48 hours. they could be held for much longer. one of the things that has

emerged in this investigation so far is that sometimes the operatives involved are using phones of friends, of close relatives to make calls to avoid detection because of the way that wire tapping is done here. it's done through a specific phone, not through any number of phones that one particular suspect may have or may have access to. today an islamist rally banned by police have not gone ahead. that's something here that the authorities are keen to keep off the streets and keep the temperature down given their current concerns about the potential for a full on attack by groups or a group that they're not yet aware of jim. >> one thing that struck me certainly there, nic, i'm sure you've seen it there, as how the members of the public have continued to live their lives

despite the level of threat. very admirable. thanks very much to nic robertson in paris. i want to go to anything paton walsh live in yemen. it's the home base of the terror groups that the u.s. have said is the most threatening to the u.s. and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. what is the handle that yemeni officials have? they've been losing ground against aqap in recent months rather than gaining? >> reporter: well actually the country has been in such turmoil for the past few years that that's what's happened in the aqap to have a strong hold. the houfis have swept into the capital behind me. that has caused significant up heave upheaval.

there's an escalation in the war there. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula are benefitting strangely furthermore from this up heaval because some sunnis concerned with what they see as the shia advance here the houfi's advance are taking up arms and making the local ground battle for al qaeda a sunni group slightly easier because they have more men in numbers allowing them to strengthen. they claim that operations against the "charlie hebdo" magazine that was the name that was shouted by the kouachi brothers during those attacks. the only thing the investigators have to piece together now, jim, is what level of reality that corresponds to. how much of a logistic call link was that between them and the brothers up until the moments before the attack themselves, jim. >> nick is there any awareness as to the numbers of europeans who are going to yemen perhaps

to connect with groups such as aqap and then returning to europe do they have a sense? do they have good controls on their borders, even to watch that kind of flow? >> reporter: in truth, i think, no. i mean we just discussed really how much turmoil is grappling them. it's hard to get a coherent picture. there are some that are angry of the notion that yemen is the hot bed of terror. they point out how much of their lives that the kouachi brothers spent in yemen. there are others who offered up information about two french men who were detained a few months ago trying to leave yemen. they were accused of offering logistical support to al qaeda in the south. possibly i.t. support. they were here for a concomitant role. there's a split personality among yemeni officials. they want to assist western allies. a lot of their information comes from the west and then is

reverse tracked by them here. another part of the yemeni administration -- we're losing power here. another sign of how fragile this nation can be. the other part of the yemeni administration absolutely keen to point be out that they don't consider it fair to blame yemeni for the effects. >> sadly they're not alone. other failed states as well. breeding grounds for terrorism. i want to go to arwa damon in istanbul turkey. it's a focus point, an entry point back and forth from europe to the training grounds i suppose you could say in syria and in iraq. arwa i wonder if there has been any real progress you've been able to see on the ground there in stopping that revolving door in effect from europe to syria and iraq and sadly back to europe where the concern is of course that they carry out attacks like we've seen in paris this week. >> reporter: well jim, the turkish authorities will continue to say that they are

doing what they can and, yes, they have clamped down to a certain degree. they have tried to make it more difficult for people to cross from turkey into syria. despite their best efforts, they cannot control the entire border. we are talking about a border hundreds of kilometers long. we're talking about individuals who are willing to wait for the little gap to open up and they dart across into syria. at that stage it becomes just about impossible to try to track them. turkish authorities have also repeatedly told cnn that they're quite frustrated because they feel on some occasions they are alerting various european countries that some of their nationals are leaving turkey whom the turks believe could be a threat. they feel their intelligence is not being acted on the way it should be. turkey has emerged, yes, as a key transit hub for just about anyone who wants to go into syria. the airport in istanbul it's

massive. if they are picked up if an individual is picked up at customs the way hayat boumeddiene was, that is amedy coulibaly's girlfriend. they tracked her for three days. they took surveillance off of herr and repicked it up afterwards once the news of the paris attacks came out and once she was associated with that. the turks are doing what they can. they cannot control the situation, especially not without a greater level of cooperation between them and european and other western nation jim. >> arwa damon, thank you very much in turkey ivan watson nick paton walsh. stay safe. i want to bring in senator richard burr he's the chairman of the senate intelligence committee. senator burr thank you for joining us this morning. >> jim, good morning. >> i want to ask you because i just returned from paris myself and one thing that struck me is that from this point from u.s. intelligence officials, aqap

have been seen primarily as a threat to air travel significant threat concealed explosives primarily to air travel in light of the presumed perceived tie to paris. have the paris attacks demonstrated a new capability for aqap a new ambition frankly? >> well jim, i think the intent was always to carry out multiple means of terrorism from aqap and others. we've got to remember that this is not about an individual it's about an ideology and terrorism is now global. we don't know where it's going to come from. cnn this week broadcast from eight different countries around the world so it's not like we can keep our eye on one thing. and this is a war that we have to win. >> no question. i mean you make the point that terrorism is global as a result the response must be global as

well. when you look at the run up to these attacks in paris, there was clearly an intelligence failure here not just by the french and granted it's a difficult decision to make, but the decision to surveil the suspects and stop it but also in terms of intelligence sharing. the u.s. had the kouachi brothers on a no fly list and a terror watch list. was that information kmuncommunicate communicated to the french and why did the french not respond accordingly in light of the relationship that the u.s. and the french have? >> i guess the question is jim, did we put the brothers on the no fly list because of what we might have received from france or what we might have picked up ourselves? i'm not sure that i know the answer to that. i'll just say this. i think every country in the world today is probably looking back at the policies that they've got on surveillance for known fighters and trying to determine is there a point where

you stay on them 24/7? if it is with over 20,000 globally that have really been fighters these countries as well as the united states has got a real problem. we've got dozens of individuals that we know went to syria. i would guess that we're surveilling 100% of them right now, but that's in addition to everybody else that we may have reasons to suspect as we saw with an ohio man this week though we don't take that with near the importance of somebody coming back from syria. >> you say dozens. you say it's likely that they're being kept under surveillance. are new measures being taken following the paris attacks to put new suspects under surveillance to avoid missing one as sadly the french did in this case? >> oh, jim, i think post paris, i think every law enforcement,

every intelligence community official in the world went back to chapter 1 and began to write the new book as far as what we were going to do. they've scrubbed information to see if we've missed anything. here's the important thing, they've taken what we've learned from paris, they've taken what we're going to learn from the raids in belgium and they're going to run those, that data and create new dots on the map and then analysts at all the agencies around the world are going to try to connect those dots to figure out whether there are other individuals that we don't know about that we need to begin to surveil, that we need to look at where they are, what they do, who they talk to and i think we're in for weeks if not months of unbelievable amount of data that will tell us what the next step is in defending this country, and i might say defending europe as well. >> there was an odd joint, in effect claim of responsibility. you have aqap claiming

responsibility for the paris attacks, but you had the a attacker at the kosher market in paris. is the u.s. aware of any relationship between aqap and isis? >> jim, we're not, but i think it's foolish to think that two groups competing for fighters and competing for money wouldn't go out and claim some degree of credit for this and i think that that's one thing that these groups all share is they're pulling from the same pool of fighters and they're pulling from the same resources for financing from around the world. so being part of that spectacular attack. and i might say i think we've overlooked the fact that belgium is an intelligence win. individuals that we knew about, individuals that were watched, the belgium government made a decision to go for a particular reason when they did. i think you've seen how

seriously they take what they found, hundreds of troops in belgium never seen before. over 20,000 troops in france right now helping in the fight against terrorism and a capture of over 20 in five or six different countries just in the last 48 hours. >> the administration has argued that as important as intelligence steps and military steps to fight terrorism, it's important to attack the ideology. yet this last week we noticed that in saudi arabia close u.s. ally that a blogger floged sentenced to 1,000, rather lashes simply for starting a debate online on his blog about extremism in his country. at the same time pakistan of course another close u.s. ally had sentenced to death a christian woman for blasphemy as well. these are close allies. is it your view that these countries, saudi arabia and pakistan are, in fact encouraging terrorism by helping to feed the ideology behind it?

>> well jim, let me say, a week ago i said this was a fight, a war against western civilization, and what i realized was my mistake in that sentence was that this is every bit the fear and the threat of average muslims in muslim countries around the world. this is a concern and a threat to us to europe and every muslim around the world that's not a fanatic terrorist. the reality is that we've got to reach out to those individuals because we should be as concerned about making sure that the world is safe for them as we do for our own children. >> but our allies are they doing their part or in effect are they making the problem worse? >> well jim, as you know they've been a contributor to the funding since al qaeda was

created. a lot of the middle eastern countries have and hopefully our administration is reaching out to them as is the global community and saying things have to stop. you have to quit funding terrorism. you have to quit teaching this. to your youth. you have to make sure that we're after the same future that they are. i dare say if they're not willing to help us in that partnership, then there ought to be some type of ramifications from it. >> very strong points. thank you, senator richard burr republican chairman of the senate intelligence committee. >> welcome back jim. thank you. intelligence analysts across the globe jostling to find the next terrorist plot. are keeping detainees dmand guantanamo bay helped find new terrorists? we'll answer that question after

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extremism and he said in these cases, no they're not. if that holds true that there should be consequences. i wonder if you agree with him? >> i do agree with him. the reality is just as richard said this is not a war between christianity and islam, the east and the west. he's very right to put that out. when you have these kind of actions inside pakistan and saudi arabia it perpetuates the myth that that is the fight going on. of course we know for years, for decades the saudis have been funneling the money to the clerical organizations that fund the very madroses that train islamic jihadists. we know in pakistan that at the same time they've been fighting radical el. , they have -- radical elements they've been funding them. we have to have some tough conversations. we've let it go on far too long.

now that we've realized the danger immediacy and threat i think republicans and democrats can come together and say, listen time is up. we need to see progress. especially with a country like pakistan that's a recipient of major dollars, there are consequences. >> fair point. i want to ask you. you made interesting questions talking about the perfect ren nal nature of the war. it echos comments made more than a decade ago, donald rumsfeld. his words are we creating more of them than we are killing in effect. i wonder if you could make your point here. are you saying that by repeated military intervention in iraq in afghanistan, drone strikes in countries such as yemen, that there is a down side to that? that that helps recruit extremists? i might mention that one of the kouachi brothers in court cases said specifically it was the u.s. invasion of iraq and the

abuse at abu grave that led him to want to fight american forces there. >> here's the first and most important thing. there is never a justification, an excuse a rationale for these kind of murderous terrorist attacks. the only people to blame for these murders in paris and other assaults around the world are the individuals that perpetuated it. but, my point has been this. we shouldn't be full of such hubris in the united states that we don't have a conversation about the fact that there are things that we do that are actions that we take that can create more terrorists create more threats to the united states and there are things that we can do, actions that we can create that will create less terrorists. i think others will agree with me that the war in iraq which became a recruiting tool for

islamic extremists around the world made this country less safe not more safe. i would argue that the way in which we have conducted drone strikes in some parts of the world have become more feeding material for many of these terrorist organizations. that doesn't create a rationale or justification for anything that has happened it should create a conversation here in the united states about being careful about conducting a foreign policy in a way that ends up creating more of the kinds of people and organizations that we're trying to fight. >> would you say the u.s. led air campaign in iraq and syria is worth repeating? >> no. my caution has been that we should not be sending in a new deployment of massive ground troops into that fight. robert gates said the next president who proposes that should have their head examined.

many colleagues say we need to put massive new ground troops into that fight. i think isis is so dangerous, momentum was so clear that we had to put significant air power and advisers on the ground. i support that but i don't support essentially beginning a new ground invasion in iraq and syria because i think that would tip the balance in terms of what would, in donald rumsfeld's opinion, create more of the people that we're trying to eliminate. >> i want to ask you about boko haram because last week while we were focused on the paris attacks north of nigeria cnn had its reporter on the scene as well. i want to show you a political cartoon that was unusual focusing all the attention on paris. some would argue ignoring what

was happening in nigeria. months ago the white house focused on bring back our girls. twitter hashtag. it had intelligence. is the u.s. helping fight boko haram? are we minimizing? this is another terror threat are we minimizing the terror threat emanating from boko haram? >> well i do think it's unfortunate that there hasn't been as much world attention as there should be on this increasing threat from boko haram. we're seeing literally thousands of deaths due to their terror activities 12 deaths in paris is an atrocity but it shouldn't excuse us from paying attention to what's happening elsewhere. i know we will have conversations in the foreign

relations committee of other assets that we can provide to those fighting boko haram on the ground. it deserves an equal amount of attention from the united states. the reason we're seeing more attention on paris is the organizations that are claiming responsibility whether it be al qaeda or isis are making it more credible. that's why this deserves a great degree of american attention. >> i want to ask you about ukraine now because there is when you look at the evidence on the ground a low level war underway in eastern europe. i want to for the sake of our viewers show some drone video over donestk, this looks like a war zone and the deaths on the ground and the russian troops indicate there is a war there.

the administration's opinion has been economic sanctions will lead to de-escalation. meanwhile, we're seeing escalation. is the obama administration policy failing with regards to russia and ukraine? >> well ultimately the united states is not going to fight a proxy war. so long as the united states is not fighting that war, the ukrainian army which has been undermind by corrupt generals will be at a disadvantage against an invading russian supported army. i have come to the point where i believe now that the united states needs to start sending more significant military assistance to the ukraine. that was not a position i held initially in this debate. i've been pressing the administration to support that view view. right now economic sanctions are

not convincing them to pull back. president poroshenko is taking the reins. i think the administration has to look at some more serious levels of defensive arms being sent to the ukraine. >> more military to the ukraine. thank you. >> thanks jim. around the world muslims are protesting finishing their morning prayers and flooding the streets to call for jihad, but over what? and why does the pope say they might have a point? we'll talk about that after this break.

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protests erupted across the islamic world this week after "charlie hebdo" published its latest issue again depicting the prophet muhammad on its cover. joining me is a muslim chaplain here at georgetown university. and we have the cnn religion commentator and we have the congregation in short hills, new jersey. thank you for joining us. great to have three faces represented around the table. i'll start off if i can with you, imam. the obama administration is reluctant to call what we saw in paris islamic terrorism. do you agree with that? >> no for me terrorism has no religion. terrorism is terrorism. it's an act of terrorism by individuals, organizations, groups by people against

individuals. islamic terrorism for me is a religion of peace. compassion and goodness. >> it's a bastardization of the game. my beautiful religion. >> it becomes personal. >> they do use religious justification. they are steeped in the text. >> does that call people out saying this is the real islam, this is not the real islam. >> they are misquoting the text. they are not using the text. they translate it in their own way, misinterpret it to justify their own violence. however, in the muslim community

they have a very clear voice against them. we are doing that. our colleges across the wall were training other imams and saying no to other people in order to undermine any possibility of these people becoming the voice of islam. >> i want be to ask you if there is a level of debate necessary and that brings up a point, i asked senator burr andersen senator murphy some of our closest allies not doing enough. lashing a blogger. sentencing a christian woman to death for blasphemy. do you hear a volume maybe we could describe it as of voices within the islamic faith countering this violent message? >> volume no. but sitting next to an imam who has expressed himself as beautifully as he did is really encouraging to me and members of

our community. there is a great rabbi with the greatest body of law who was under be the hand of his oppressors and he died a very cruel death. they took the torah scroll and they rolled him in it. that's how they were going to murder him. they lit it up. as he and the torah scroll went on fire he said i'm going to die but my words, my ideas are never going to die. we always have to stand up for our ideas, what we're about, who we are, how we want to express those ideas, never through violence. >> let's talk about ideas and i'll turn to you, father beck. the pope pope francis, entered this debate this week and while he talked about the importance of freedom of expression he in effect made the point that there are limits that if you insult someone's religion he used the metaphor of saying if someone punches you -- someone insults your mother you might want to punch them in the face that kind of thing. was the pope saying in effect that "charlie hebdo" went too far by depicting the prophet

muhammad in these cartoons? >> you know my mother jim, always had a famous addage and she would say, just because you have a right to do it doesn't make it right to do it. i think what the pope is trying to say, yes, you have a right, but there has to be limits to freedom of expression. the limit needs to be self-imposed that cultural restraint has to come societally. as religious leaders we have to say to our people you know what 300,000 copies of that magazine needs to be printed. now they rant and put the prophet muhammad on the cover. >> 7 million. >> 7 million. morally, culturally we have to say it's wrong to do it. >> judgment call. do you agree, imam? do you think they went too far? >> i think they went to far. it is not helping what we all want to do. we want to have a civilized dialogue between the east and the west. we want to have a civilized

dialogue between judaism and christianity and others. to move forward, publication of such thing does not help feed into that. it helps terrorism. it helps more people. >> let me ask, who sets the limits? this is the difficult part. i got a copy of "charlie hebdo." i was in paris. i read through, yes, the cover has muhammad. there were other cartoons in there. there was one that mocks the attackers faith that they're going to have verge begins 70 verge beginnings. some of them are not that far off what you would see in some u.s. publications. who sets the limitations? that's the difficulty. who is going to be the authority? anything can be offensive to anybody, right? >> we set the limits. don't buy it. don't line up for it. we live in a democracy. they express opinions that in many other places they don't. i would not shut down. i don't think it's the religious leaders place to shut down the free speech.

it will go the other way which will limit me from expressing myself the way i want to. the mother comment, we all love this pontiff. the mother comment says to me that if you are raised by a good enough mother, you want to defend her and you're inclined to punch someone to defend her but you don't because of the values that she gave you. i would say the same thing applies to muhammad jesus, moses, that these are extraordinarily great figures that have lasted all of these years. our inclination is to be violent to defend them but their teachings are great and we don't. we are grounded religious people in their names but never with violence at all. >> so you're saying don't set the limits in effect let people make their own choices, is that right? >> listen there was a jewish lawyer who defended the nazis in skogi. the reason he did it is because he felt so strongly not just about the first amendment but about the rights of jews to express themselves. obviously he hated what they

were saying but wanted to allow them to speak so all of us could live in a country where we could speak. >> father response? >> we just buried mario cuomo. he went to see "the book of mormon" with his wife ma tilda. he was off centered. it came to a song "fu god" in that musical. he turned to ma tilda, we're out of here. she said i was ready 15 minutes ago. they left. he said matt stone, trey parker this he have every right to make that musical. i don't have to give money to it. i'm not going to support it. if you depict jesus steeped in urine, you have a right to do it? sure. should we show up at the museum to see it or mary in elephant dung? no. we have a right to do it but we are not going to support it. we want to raise the cultural conversation beyond that.

>> i want people to know that we need to set this moral campus within us. that's number one. number two, i want people to know and i'm speaking to cnn worldwide here that i am not saying that the publication of this cartoon means or justifies violence in any way, shape or form. as i speak for not publishing that specific magazine or picture, i also say to muslims, wake up. engage people with the prophet from islam in an intellectual spiritual way. that is what muhammad would have done. >> this gets to a practical question because there is -- there is the philosophical debate here about whether we should err on the side of freedom of expression or on taste, good taste, et cetera but there's also a practical argument. by doing this do you give ammunition in effect to the attackers, give them you know prod them in a way as some have made the point that you're prodding them to attack? is there a practical argument against this against exercising

airing on the side of not offending? this is a country, freedom of expression which is a bedroom principle. >> the more we close these things down i think the more we give them ammunition. that means i can go into any place and i can do anything i want and the response from a democratic society with free religious expression in that society is to narrow it. >> don't we do it all the time? we don't print certain words in newspapers because we're going to offend. "the new york times" would not put the cartoon that was just published. >> or cnn. >> right. we self-sentences -- self-censor. >> that's a journalistic choice. if we think it will incite a mass riot that's different than allowing fundamentalism to widen its reach. >> there are laws that protect the common god. you can protest something but you can't do it at 3:00 in the morning with a bull horn.

there are common understandings that limit free speech. it's a misnomer to say. >> you have the final thought. >> i think we have to morally censor for the common good and number two we do not want to help terrorists recruit more people and publications like this will believe me undermine my ability to speak a voice of sanity but it will also help a terrorist. >> do you get the sense that this is the very deetbate we need to have? and europe. >> and inside the muslim world. >> between all of us. >> let's keep up the conversation. fantastic today. great to have you all on. >> good to be here. where there is smoke there are normally fire and mitt romney providing a lot of kindling now. will there be a former republican nominee's magic number will three be his magic number? we're going to get into that right after this break. n i wouldn't give a little cut a second thought. ♪ ♪ when i didn't worry about the hepatitis c in my blood. ♪ ♪ when

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question i got is what does ann think about all this.

she believes people get better with experience. heaven knows i have experience running for president. >> that was mitt romney on friday hinting that just maybe he might give this running for president thing a third shot. bring in congressman 2012 supporter. ken cuccinelli president of the senate conservative. i wonder if i could begin with you representative chaffetz you've had conversations with mr. romney. >> he did call and we did speak. he said he's seriously considering it. he wanted advice and input but the rumors out there were true. certainly for him to appear at the gop event that was there in san diego recently you don't do that if you're just putting your ball cap down and going to seaworld for the afternoon.

yeah i think he's seriously considering it. >> what does he say will be different about this time around that will make this run successful? >> well he does have the experience. i really think mitt romney checks three boxes the rest of the candidates don't necessarily do. number one, he's vetted. we know exactly what we're going to get. there won't be that october surprise that republicans would naturally be worried about. i think he's been proven right on so many of the issues. certainly domestic policy. foreign policy he almost looked prophetic there talking about russia and the war on terror and those types of things. so we know he was right on the issues. then you've got to have somebody who can raise the $1 billion that it's going to take in order to beat hillary clinton. certainly mitt romney can do that as well. >> ken cuccinelli there's disperns and experience losing. does he have the right kind of experience? >> i'm not sure he does.

he was correct with foreign policy compared to the president. i don't think wrong on that. he didn't get the nomination in 2012 until he essentially outlasted other choices. they all had to fall away before bring money to bear before the majority of whoever is voting left in the republican nomination. he wasn't an inspirational character. he doesn't bring a philosophy he can articulate well. if you look at the last elections, 2012 2013 trochlt. what was the main issue? fighting back on obama care? what was the one we lost? the one where the guy who invented obama care in massachusetts didn't say it was a mistake. he doubled down. >> this is an argument so all that money -- >> sure. >> does he damage an eventual

nominee by keeping money in his name? >> this is a very competitive process in 2015 and 2016. requirement is similar to other candidates via jeb bush chris christie john kasich. a lot of what we analyze with him with the exception of two go rounds as the congressman pointed out is very similar, frankly, to what a lot of others bring to the table. >> let me ask you, senator chaffetz he brings a message about bringing wider opportunity to the american middle class which would surprise those, believe it or not trade in the campaign opposite of the candidate with 47%. how does mitt romney sell the message he is the man to bring opportunity to a greater number of americans? >> well i think as american look at this if you want to

grow jobs in the economy, defeat poverty and make sure people's income and opportunity is swelling in this country, that entrepreneurs have the atmosphere to grow and thrive there's nobody that's going to beat out mitt romney. that's what he's done his entire life his entire career is help take something from nothing and make it into something and empowering people to do that. that is mitt romney's strong suit. he can run circles around a the lo of people because he's actually done it. he hasn't just been in politic, this is what he's done in his career. this is a strong point for him. >> were you surprised, ken cuccinelli to hear that? >> well it clearly didn't work in 2012 the way he approached this. i would agree with the congressman in one respect, what the congressman just said is what mitt romney should have done in 2012 but he shied away from it. he coward from it. mitt romney has had great success in business as the congressman alluded to but he did not defend capitalism. he didn't make the moral case for capitalism.

he didn't make the moral case to inspire the grassroots to go and say why we should reduce the power of government in the economy. what it means for your freedom and your opportunity at your own kitchen table. he didn't make that case. i think republicans have concluded you can't. >> representative chaffetz ask you other issues in the news president obama unveiling new tax plan $320 largely derived from bigger taxes on the wealth y, banks, republican control for congress as we well know. is this tax plan doa. it's a nonstarter. we're not just one good tax increase away from prosperity in this nation this nation had its all-time highest, record number of receipts coming into the treasury. are you going to grow the economy and jobs entrepreneurs or small businessmen better off with more taxes and more government? no. we've for the to make sure we get a regulatory environment

that's predictable, that we bring those tax rates down and we quit spending this money we don't have. more government a 300 plus billion dollar tax bill from barack obama is not the formula for this country to succeed. >> congressman jason chaffetz ken cuccinelli in washington thank you for joining me. >> pleasure. be right back after this break. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now...i use this. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. out of 42 vehicles... based on 6 different criteria... why did a panel of 11 automotive experts... ... name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons the all-new volkswagen golf starting at $17,995. there's an award winning golf for everyone.

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