♪ viva la france viva la democracy. thanks to all of you for being a part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. xxxx xxxx authorities on high alert. we're covering aftermath of terrible "charlie hebdo" attack in paris. breaking news from delaware. we just learned a vehicle that drove near vice president joe biden's residence last night and fired multiple gunshots. this happened around 8:25 p.m. the vice president was not home at the time. he was out to dinner with his wife. he was expected to spend the weekend at his home. we'll have more as wets get it at this hour. bring it cnn washington. shots were heard by secret

service personnel, posted at the residence. a vehicle was observed driving by at a high raped by one of the agents. the vice president was not home at the time. searches will be taking place outside the residence now to see if there are any rounds that can be recovered or if any rounds hit the structure. i should tell you vice president's residence in delaware is several hundred yards away from the main road where these shots were fired. as i mentioned, we'll have more on this developing here. i want to get to paris. top surviving editor of "charlie hebdo" is speaking for the first time about the slaughter at his office in paris and the controversial cover image published wednesday of the prophet muhammad. a guest standing by to talk about what that editor said. caroline knows him and the staff members to died. she used to work for the magazine. she's been one of the staunchest

supporters of it. caroline caroline let me express my condolence for your friends. i know you returned from a memorial service of the magazine's cartoonist. can you tell me what happened there? >> tonight was not a ceremony more a friendship ceremony. we tried to keep -- >> what have you and your friends been saying about how to move on from this. it will be published this week is that right? >> yes. what we're doing right now, picking sometimes world pursuing "charlie hebdo" because very difficult to make people understanding what is this period of "charlie hebdo" especially after the last cover. we've heard a lot of comments uk in america was very strange to french people speaking about

provocation. really newspapers satirical one making jokes about every religion. after what happened after this slaughter, it was really impossible for my colleague and friends to not do a cover about what happened. it could be only a cover about, of course, muhammad a very for giving one, a very sweet cover. "charlie hebdo" is to be sweet even after a slaughter. >> the image reads "all is forgiven" with the french along wallet words "i am charlie" in french. as you know that image is highly offensive to muslims. i want to ask you about what one of the founders of the magazine said this week. he's 80 years old, no longer associated with the publication. he said the magazine went too far with past depictions of

muhammad. how did you feel when you saw him come out and say that? >> members of "charlie hebdo" was very shocked by this comment, because it's typically what they are expecting. thanks to them -- >> let me play a bit of audio from the current top editor of the magazine. he was in london at the time of the attack. he was not in paris. he was not at the office. this morning on "meet the press," he spoke for the first time to american television about the new cover and about the controversy surrounding it. here is what he said about decisions by some outlets, including cnn, not to show the cover. >> translator: listen we cannot blame magazines who have trouble getting published for not publishing the cartoon that could cost at best jail at worst, death. newspapers published in

democratic countries. this cartoon is not just a little figure a little muhammad drawn, it's a symbol. when they refuse to publish this cartoon, when they blur it out, when they decline to publish it they blur out democracy, secularism freedom of religion and insult the citizenship. >> cnn executives and other newspapers are saying they are not showing the cover because of safety concerns for staff members especially in the middle east. how do you respond to that? >> at least they are thinking about safety. i'm remembering in 2006 where already some american and journalists refused to show cartoons. it was in the name of protecting religion protecting the feelings of some believers. and my reaction to that is that if we sensor ourselves when we are under huge attack like this

threat, if we do not show the drawings that the fanatics don't want to see is like not showing the film north korea doesn't want to see, it's the same problem. we are killing ourselves, our rules of democracy. we are already under simple dictatorship if we can't show a similar drawing. it's a huge problem. it's not offending for believers, journalists, it's offending for freedom of speech democracy. >> i hear what you're saying and i've heard many say that including some at cnn. i want to play devil's advocate with you a little bit. i'm sure you've seen over the past couple of days the protest in middle eastern and african countries. for example in pakistan we saw french flags being burned. we saw a photographer for a french-based news wire be wounded by gunfire. nigeria we've seen a number die

because churches have been burned. we've seen this as a result of the cover. i wonder if there's any point at which that has to be taken into consideration while at the same time trying to protect freedom of speech and freedom of expression. >> you understand the way you can put it you're blaming not the people who are killing because of the cartoons but you're blaming the cartoonist. this is exactly what the terrorist wants. this is the coward's way to see things the terrorist wants. the problem is that people can kill for a drawing. this is the problem. just to be the larger picture, remember at the end of the '80s there were 10,000 in pakistan just a few today. but still too much today. but still we cannot leave until pakistani know we are in france a newspaper respecting the french law. the french law is very clear. the blasphemy is a right.

in pakistan the blasphemy is forbidden. this is why christians are going to jail. if they are expressing their view they are seen by muslims as doing blasphemy. the only thing we do not admit is inciting for hatred. in the case of crazy -- also inciting to hatred those are forbidden by the law. but the law concerning religion fortunately because we're not living in pakistan has led us to be free. >> caroline thank you so much for being here today. my condolences again to your friends and colleagues. >> thank you. >> you can read more about what the editor said on "meet the press" on cnn.com. my story is online now. we should note new circulation number for "charlie hebdo," incredible 7 million copies

printed by the distributor, not just in france but germany they are coming out and a few copies have reached the united states now. let me talk more about this issue of showing or not showing the muhammad cartoon with award winning journalist former cnn washington bureau chief and director of school and media affairs at george washington university. frank, let me ask you a blunt question. do you think it is cowardly for the cnns of the world to not show this cartoon? >> no i don't think it's cowardly. i think it's a difficult decision. people need to realize that when they understand. news organizations should be explicit with why they aren't publishing explain it. they owe that to the public. there are several reasons. one you pointed out, concerns about safety. i'm not sure i buy that so much although there is vittsey to it. news agencies send their staff into danger in war zones, that's part of the job. other sensibility of audience.

news organizations make decision what to write about, portray, broadcast all the time revolving around the sensibilities of their audience. i think the main thing is for these publications channels and all the rest to explain very clearly what they are doing and why? >> transparency you're saying is crucial. along those lines i was in paris wednesday. cnn was having a town hall meeting previously scheduled. according to news reports, head of cnn jeff zucker said among other things he had deliberations with lots of employees about the decision including muslim employees and including employees in hot spots around the world. i found that interesting. you've got to think about how big an organization like cnn or bbc or al jazeera are. when they are thinking about those decisions, they are thinking about so many people aren't they? >> they are. they are quite right to do that talk to their employees. we talked a long time about diversity in the newsroom when you have diversity living side

by side journalistic decisions it's rough. look the journalist in me says put it all out there, but that applies to everything. then you take into consideration what your responsibility is how you -- can you tell the story in other ways. it's interesting, "washington post," marty bar ron, executive editor went and published this. they said our policy is to avoid publication that's pointedly offensive to members of religious groups. that remains our policy but this does not fall into that category. your old employer "new york times" said we do not normally publish images or other material deliberately offending religious profitabilities. some call it in ately offensive and we have refrained from doing so. "the guardian" went ahead and published it but at the top of the article, there was a big bold disclaimer warning, this magazine has the magazine cover

which some might find offensive. there are a lot of different formations here. >> thank you for staying with me. a lot more. internet has changed calculations a little bit. for example, "the guardian" can include a warning, news outlets refer people to their websites to see these images. we're just getting started, talk more about the decisions media outlet made about cartoons. i want to show you what i saw in paris at the memorial for cartoonists killed there. journalists use unnamed sources all the time. what about when unnamed sources are members of terror groups. live in a moment. ns,real beef,even accents of spinach,carrots and peas. [guy] you love it so much. yes you do. but it's good for you, too. [announcer] healthful. flavorful. beneful. from purina. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica

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information they could about the attackers and it led them to yemen. first to say al qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack. the source, anonymous member of al qaeda. other news organizations did the same. they all used unnamed al qaeda sources in their reporting. the fbi was livid. director called it disgusting. first i want to go to yemen and go to senior correspondent nick walsh, he's in sanna. i specialtyexpect you have to deal with this on a daily basis there. what do you expect getting information from terror groups even anonymously. >> our job is to get as much information together as we can, assess what's reliable and true and present in a comprehensible fashion to the reader. doesn't come into it quite what level of attribution we would give. fbi rely on their aspects of

information. a whole larger moral decision to be made with terror groups al qaeda in the arabian pens l.a. in instances like this we had already heard according to two attackers say they had been sent by al qaeda in yemen. naturally you'd reach out to al qaeda and ask if they are aware of a link. some may mislead you. some wait for more public statements from al qaeda like we heard a few days later. in that lengthy 12-minute video, a spokesperson was somewhat surprised, job of journalist not to necessarily publicize their sources or pick and choose who we choose to convey to the viewer our job is like that find out what motivation people had, what people are saying they claim to have done and pass it onto the viewer. this happens but a source wishes to be anonymous, that may be a compromise we go along with. >> nick thanks for joining us.

nick in washington. here with me on the set, i have a feeling this is one of the most uncomfortable issues for a journalist like you. hard for me to imagine trying to pick up the phone or e-mail to a terrorist to get a comment. >> first of all, in a time of war, good journalists have a responsibility to go to the other side and interview people told we're at war with. in the case of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, this group has been identified by the american government as single biggest external threat in the united states. why wouldn't we want to have an understanding of their thinking. the anonymous issue, i first of all am against anonymous sources especially senior officials. we saw leading up to iraq when dick cheney and others leaking information to the paper that ultimately benefited administration. in this case we had a situation where the gunmen had declared they were from al qaeda and yemen. i spent a lot of time on the ground in yemen. i have sources from a variety of

factions and groups unthat country. decided through a process involved or editor in chief and legal counsel to grant anonymity to the source in al qaeda. if we revealed the source, their life could be in danger. that's where it gets complicated. that's one of the highest reasons. >> how does communication tell you? >> i can't tell you. let's say aqap and other terror groups developed sophisticated ways to communicate using in crypted technologies. in fact they are ever changing. there was an app they were using some time ago, turns out nsa was involved creating. it caused a big shake-up in the jihadist community on line. the app looked like a trojan horse developed by u.s. intelligence. if you go and look at 'n' inspire" magazine which i assume you're not a subscriber to al qaeda glossy.

they have in kripgs keys for people who want to write a letter to the editor or join al qaeda. you can send encrypted message. >> it's disturbing who hear how sophisticated these people have become how to communicate. >> you have a verified twitter account, i have a verified twitter account, that means we have a blue checkmark next to the name. al qaeda has an alternative. they list bt not shut down by twitter and they claim speak for them as a group and publish through official channels. they are getting much for sophisticated using twitter, online than they did before that. >> you've been highly critical of some television news coverage of the war on terror for many years. i wonder if you think coverage currently of terror in europe and investigation under way is sewing too much fear in the audience and people watching at home. >> i separate two categories. on the one hand we as journalists have a responsibility to cover a story with global implications. many networks have a good job. some great reporters on the

ground. we just heard nick walsh. ee a fantastic reporter. where it gets into really fear generating territory when you have these come called terror analysts on the air, many work for risk consultancy firms that benefit from making us afraid. i don't think cnn, fox do good enough job revealing on air conflicts of analysts who work in the private sector and make money off the the idea we should be afraid. >> you understand that's a pretty incendiary charge that these people want us to be frightened inappropriately for reasons. >> i've spent a lot of years how it works. retired generals come on msnbc and fox and talk about the danger of a terror group in a particular country and they are on the board of a huge weapons manufacturer or defense company that is going to benefit from an extension of that war and expansion of that war. perhaps the biggest violator of this is general barry mccaffrey

who made a tremendous amount of money off of war contracting and then he's brought onto these networks. >> he's brought on. what happens in green rooms? you must see these people talk to these people here in cable news green rooms. >>-of- lot of people they see i'm in a greenroom, leave. i try to interview people in green rooms because they never return my car. if you had a retired general sitting in the greenroom with me i would probably turn on my tape recorder and start requesting questions. >> let me turn back to "charlie hebdo," the rally covered on cnn. historic image, looking at 40 world leaders marching arm in arm united free press, freedom of expression. call it a circus of hypocrisy, countries with terrible records when it comes to press freedom. we made grachx about this beginning with saudi arabia relentless media, internet

insulting islam. let me go to egypt, looking at faces in the crowd here. this is russia. russian media under effective state control, journalists, bloggers we can go onto another one as well. this is a prime minister of turkey who was at the rally. turkey imprisoned journalists in any other country in 2012 and '13. all this data from without borders. military censorship and gag orders military experienced this. we go through this here is egypt, the last one, tell me if you feel like a week later after this rally if anything is going to change when it comes to press freedom in these countries. >> no. let's remember egypt, which is a close ally of the united states is currently holding put mel al jazeera journalists who have been in prison for a number of years, totally trumped up charges that they were somehow involved with terrorism. united states got flack, president obama didn't go joe

biden didn't go. but the u.s. also has a very poor record on press freedom. under this administration the war against prifl blowers is, in effect against journalism. the message the white house sending, i'm glad the case is going away but should have gone away a long time ago. when you say we don't have a right to talk to unauthorized sources in government what you're sfektively saying you're only allowed to print official leaks or statement of the government. it undermines the very idea of a free press. the u.s. is not absent in this even if absent in the literal sense on the ground in paris. >> i think to get into comparisons to russia and egypt makes me nervous. >> absolutely. we're much freer and we hold ourselves up as a beacon to the world. there's no comparison with russia turkey united states that doesn't mean we don't have our own war on journalism. yes, there are different levels of it. let's don't preten united states does not have hostile posture toward journalists reporting

inconvenient facts. >> thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> when we come back when is it okay to poke fun after a tragedy has happened in paris. we'll talk about when satire and opportunity becomes very serious right after this break. disrupter of supply chains. stealer of bedtime stories. polluter. frustrater. time thief. [cars honking] and one day soon we'll see the last one ever. cisco is building the internet of everything for connected cities today, that will confine the traffic jam to yesterday. cisco... ...tomorrow starts here.

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covering "charlie hebdo" without showing cartoons. i understand the network's decision but it is a weird decision to be in. it's not just cnn but all across the global media. what happens when satire turns gravely serious? the attacks on the magazine and outpouring of support for freedom and freedom of expression demonstrated incredible power of cartooning we saw last week. this cartoon i'm about to show you perfect representation of internal debate many in the media struggle over showing this cartoon, i have to draw him. it was drawn by my next guest. i think i mispronounced your name. the cartoonist whose cartoon wub lishd, and also joining me here thank you for being on set. tell me what you were going after on that imannual i have to draw him. >> i have to draw him because my brethren were murdered. normally drawing muhammad is not a thing i have to do.

when i see mass murder on the basis of free speech i'm compelled to do so. i wanted to draw him to show solidarity. >> take me through the frames. basically what you were trying to express here toif draw him but i can't. >> i can't but afraid of being dead. that was a satirical trope. everyone is afraid fear is pervasive based on what's going on today. those drawing muhammad but their way of reacting to fear is sticking the eye in the eye of the censors. mine was more sad satire sad serious satire on how -- i'm sorry, my mind went blank. >> how difficult it is. >> i just want to say when you're begging someone, can i draw just an eye, an eye lash it gets into the absurdity. >> show us your last frame. >> hold it up to the camera. your point was you were just

trying to show an eyeball. you were just trying to ask, can i show an eyeball is the question. >> i don't know if this is going to be unacceptable by cnn or international standards when you're just showing half an eye, only half an eye. >> the point by that is what is it who is it? how do we know if it's the prophet muhammad. >> exactly. >> when the cover was shown on wednesday, you believe the magazine "charlie hebdo's" editor said yes, we're trying to portray prophet muhammad uncertainty what they were trying to do. let me ask you this go to l.a. has there ever been a time like this with any other topic, any other joke anything off limits like this? >> you know for me as a standup comedian the first thing i was saying is that we need to step back and look at the guys who went and did this. they were criminals. it's not somebody -- it wasn't a common muslim that went in and did this. the question becomes what was the strategy. i think there was political

strategies beyond them saying we're offended by the images of the prophet muhammad. when you ask, have there been times like this before as a standup i look at just 50 60 years ago somebody like lenny bruce being arrested for things he was saying on stage. he wasn't killed but he was arrested. there was censorship. i myself during the beginning of the iraq war, i was doing jokes about president bush and comedy clubs. there was times when during my set people would scream out at me and say, you can't make fun of the commander in chief during the time of war. i had to remind them, that was the whole point of this country, the beauty of this country, we were supposed to be able to a what we want to say. we started that war with the pretense of bringing democracy to iraq yet here these people were telling me i couldn't express my own freedom of speech which is part of democracy. there has been censorship. there are people sensitive to topics. so i just want to point that out

that we can't just criticize and say, oh, it's only muslims that get offended because we get offended as well. >> that's a fair point. i want to turn back to you as well. is there anything else that you've ever chosen thought to dry, anything like it? >> in terms of red lines for satire the general rule i agree with on a general basis you should be punching up not punching down. if there's a commander in a concentration camp with caricatures of the prisoners, that's not fun because they are powerless. you try to go after powerful. some question with "charlie hebdo," mocking people north african immigrants in france i look from a different perspective, muslim fundamentalists they were attacked to a firebomb. they were bringing pens to a firefight. that's punching up.

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in the after the make of the deadly terror attacks there's been commonalities. two groups shared anger in the way media hacks portrayed them. for more on this bring in akhmed former host at al jazeera, now teaches at the university. and council on foreign lelgss. thank you for being here. i've read what you've written on the topic, more on what the press is not saying. france in solidarity with journalists, but not jews. tell me more. >> most of the coverage sin the events of that friday has been about "charlie hebdo." most of the activity in france million man marsh about "charlie hebdo." the journeymanalists at "charlie hebdo" were courageous but they did it knowing the risk.

they had two police cars there all the time. they knew it already. the jews killed they didn't know anything. they were doing shopping. they were killed for the crime of being jews. once the coverage was offer by the press has been 90% on the "charlie hebdo" story rather than the story of those four vehicles. >> do you see that as a story that continues on for some time something new. >> i think the press always likes to cover the press. this is a great enticing story for journalists to cover, brave journal ises. the deeper story of the condition of jewish communities in europe is probably less photogenic and one that i think print journalism has done a better job on. there has been still a great imbalance in the coverage of the "charlie hebdo" part and the part about the paris. afraid to walk in the street showing signs of a skullcap

being jews. it seems dangerous. >> let me turn to you on the set. i was amazed on fox news. four apologies in a row on fox newscast all related to content about muslims. things said on air negative portrayed in negative light. focused on no-go zones. allegedly all these places in europe can't travel to for muslims. generally not true. we put together highlight reel of these mistakes. let's look at that. >> we apologize for the air. >> apologize for that error. >> we apologize for that error. >> we deeply regret the errors and apologize to any and all who may have taken offense including the people of france and england england. >> we deeply apologize to birmingham and viewers affected. >> i don't want to beat up fox.

i respect they apologized realized it was the the right thing to do. all this on fox no-go zones, a narrative portrays as the other, somehow evil condemnation by leaders, moderate leaders in the muslim world even here in america. this the problem, muslims feared not just in mainstream but entertainment. this plays into exactly what the terrorist are trying to do trying to show islam as being in a perpetual class in the western world. when there are christian terrorist attacks or buddhist extreme ises kill in myanmar and burma, we don't see these same condemnation or ritual of condemnation and expectations christians around the world speak up about this or speak out about this. i think this all points to, you know, a perception issue. distortion of the real threat versus the perceived threat that

islam actually places. you must know there was that statistic by euro poll released early this week that showed in europe in the last five years less than 2% of terrorist attacks were launched by muslims or any religious groups for that matter which means 98% separatists or people on the other side of the political spectrum. i think this is an opportunity for the media to be responsible. >> does part of this relate elliot to the use of the word terror application of the world terrorist in certain times and not other times? do you feel that's something that effects coverage of attacks, violence directed at jews as well as muslims. >> people trying to turn away from the truth, one of them is the president who won't use the term islamic terrorism. i don't agree with what was said. if you're a jew, do you have a problem and it's coming from the immigrant muslim communities there.

the attacks on jews in brussels paris have come from muslims. there's just no denying that. >> in the same vein you could say there have been attacks on muslims in recent days dozens of attacks as a result of these attacks by groups that are zeno phobic slam phobic. that's why when this curse, not focus on the narrowly religion but look at various groups are going to take advantage of this. why did these two algerian brothers actually do this. was it about the cartoons or as they had expressed in 2005 when one of the brothers was going to go to iraq to wage jihad, was this about the cycle of violence since 9/11 we've seen. was this about revenge? he stated it was the abu ghraib torture cartoons that actually motivated him to want to fight this jihad.

there's alienation,villification of islam as well as judaism. we see anti-semitism, anti-islam sentiment on the rise. it's important to look at this in the context of france and context of europe not just in this kind of us versus them, you know islam is inherently against secular western values. >> elliot last word to you. >> i didn't say that. what i am saying if you're a jew in western europe the problem of violence you face is coming from muslim communities. that's just a fact. >> i need to take another quick fact. i appreciate you both being here this morning discussing this from different perspectives. when we come back we will switch gears and ask how sony cyber attack helps us understand this week's controversial oscar nominations and oscar snubs. the answer to that is right after this. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason?

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welcome back. nominations of 87th annual awards in since 1998 contenders for the world's biggest categories are all white. academy of motion picture and sciences is criticized for its glaring lack of diversity. should we be surprised? let's consider what the e-mails leaked by sony cyber attack show us. we saw women not paid as much as men and racial overtones about president obama's movie preferences, startling lack of diversity in the academy itself. 94% caucasian, 77 male black 2% latino 2% median age of 62.

joining me now is an actor who has starred in "the wire," the good life" and "24" on fox. i want to start with that data i just presented. should we be surprised that if the academy doesn't reflect diversity of the country results of the no, ma'am nations don't reflect diversity of the country. >> not at all. very similar congress. we get rules and regulations that benefit one class because we have a congress full of millionaires. >> you've remarked hollywood star making system is built on replyicateing itself like congress. >> yeah it's encouraged to sustain itself. there's no incentive to change. it is what it is. we can either rage against it or try to make it more equitable but at the same time make our own machines and our own projects and get that out there. >> instead of going through

their system, make your own system. have you tried to do that and we saw that at sundance a couple years ago. another movie called "home." we're gone into writing as well. but love acting so i continue to do that as well. >> "selma" was nominated for the best pick newer but not in any of the other big cat storiesegories. that seemed to be a surprise for people. they had a screening at the white house which they say was coincidence. do you think -- have you seen the film? >> i have. i have. >> some people have said maybe it is simply not as good a film as the others. >> no it is a good film. ava had a private screening -- ava, the director had a private screening a month or two ago and i got to see the film up close with a lot of the people involved in it. not only is it a good film it is a well thought out, well crafted film. so the fact that it was not nominated, it is a shame but it is not a surprise either.

aside from the fact that it's a good film from a black female director. >> you say not surprising because of the system you describe is that perpetuates itself. >> yes. on top of that ava is not a safe black woman. >> what's that mean? >> she would be more likely to be nominated if she was more demure if she kepter with opinions to herself. she didn't make projects having to do with political racial issues. >> i'm sitting here as a white guy not wanting that to be true. you really believe that to be true. >> i've seen what's going out on the streets as far as these protests? this is our reality. when i say "our" reality, american reality. not just black people. it is interesting because people were very surprised about the indictments or lack of indictments with the eric garner case and so on. i was more surprised that like so many of our white brothers and sisters were surprised because this is how people live every day. >> before we go let me show a quote from the one the only al sharpton. "right now -- reacting to the

oscar nominations. hollywood is like the rocky mountains. the higher up it goes the whiter it looks. he says he wants some sort of protest of the oscars. does that get him anywhere? does that get people who were upset by the snubs anywhere? >> i think it is its own system. there's evenly so much rage you can have against that system but you should try to make it more equitable and just. more energy should go towardsmakering our own projects like ava is doing and having audiences come out to that. american audiences, not just black audiences, but american audiences see films where you have black, latino and asian leads. >> sort of the dream of digital distribution as well. let me mention quick the head of the academy said it was a very competitive time, a lot of great work's been done. i'm very happy "selma" is included in the best picture nominations. >> that's nice.

>> i'll leave it there. thanks for being here. i'm going to go see "fox catcher" today. >> i'm a wrestlers. i wrestled at bucknell university. i've been waiting for this movie to come out. the script was great. i wanted to be in it. that movie is very very white. >> now you know my afternoon. >> yes. >> after a quick break, i want to return to france. i want to show you what i saw outside the office of "charlie hebdo," including a sharply pointed symbol of free speech. that's next. the traffic jam. scourge of 20th century city life. raiser of blood pressure. disrupter of supply chains. stealer of bedtime stories. polluter. frustrater. time thief. [cars honking] and one day soon we'll see the last one ever. cisco is building the internet of everything for connected cities today, that will confine the traffic jam to yesterday. cisco... ...tomorrow starts here.

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thank you for staying with us today. it's painful to think about what

happened on that usually quiet street in paris on january 7th. "charlie hebdo" staffers lost their lives for what they dared to do with their pencils. every day i was in paris this week i spent a few minutes walking through the memorial that emerged there. the magnitude of support for the fallen writers and cartoonists was really overwhelming. i wish i could show it all to you but here is just a glimpse of what i saw. ♪ >> reporter: so many staffers of "charlie hebdo" died right there at their offices. but the magazine has been reborn here through this public outpouring of grief with flowers, cards, candles, and old magazine covers. there are so many homemade messages along this wall. here's one that says "where is charlie? certainly not dead." and here's an illustration someone made. "god in heaven," as the deceased members of the magazine arrive. he says "oh, no not them."

and down here a hand print. "do not touch my freedom of expression." this is actually placed here by an artist about a week after the attack. it is a crime scene with tape and a broken pencil. even chalk outline as if the pencil is a dead body. on this wall there are messages from a dozen countries, including the united states. a person here has written -- joining with you in the march for freedom of speech. this from germany, i will always express my thoughts opinions and ideas with pencil and color no matter what. and a new addition out here placed overnight by someone. a bundle of pencils. fresh out of the box. newly sharpened. perhaps the ultimate symbol of freedom of expression. and the killings at "charlie hebdo" remind us that journalists are in danger all around the globe. sometimes they don't even know it. i want to end this hour with a

very specific reminder about jason razion. he is the "washington post" correspondent in iran. he has been in jail for six months now for reasons that are still unclear. no western journalist has ever been held in iran this long. this week his case was referred to iran's revolutionary court. his brother and mother have renewed their call for his immediate release. and we will continue to keep you informed about his status for as long as he is behind bars. that is all for this televitzsed edition of "reliable sources." check out our stories at cnnmoney.com/media. let me know what you thought of today's show. i'll see you right back here next week sunday at 11:0 eastern time. "state of the union" starts right now. as many as 20 sleeper cells, 180 jihadis waiting to bring

more terror across europe. is the u.s. next? i'm jim sciutto and this is "state of the union". >> this is cnn breaking news. good morning from washington. breaking news this morning across the atlantic. all of europe under siege now. military and police deployed by the thousands across belgium and france as the chief of that continent's combined police force says he cannot guarantee anyone's safety. cnn bringing you breaking coverage as it happens as only we can. our correspondents embedded around the globe, ivan watson, in brussels nic robertson in paris, arwa damon in istanbul turkey and nick paton walsh in yemen. yemen. first to ivan where 12 coordinated raids first hinted at how large this network of terrorists can be. ivan, belgian officials say parts of this terrorist cell are still active. what is the level of concern there? do they have a handle on exactly who's still at large?