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words a little bit of a troublemaker. the veterinarian performed surgery, coming out naturally could have damaged sierra's intestines. >> she ate more than rings, i'm afraid. there was some rocks in there. there was either, i can't tell if it was sticks or bone. >> once again, the old adage, sticks and bone can make dogs grown but not everything lost is gone forever. sometimes it can be found on the ridiculi ridiculist. we'll see you again 11 p.m. eastern for another edition of "ac360." cnn special report, o.j. trial, drama of the century begins now. the following is a cnn special report. the shocking crime. >> ron and nicole were butchered. >> the riveting car chase.
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>> 911. what are you reporting? >> i have o.j. simpson in the car. >> now o.j. simpson on trial for murder. >> this was the perfect soap opera. >> the characters like kato kaelin. >> it seems like you were pretty misunderstood for a long time. >> 100% misunderstood. >> the moments, the mistakes. >> it was like a slow motion disaster movie for the prosecution. >> two decades later. >> it doesn't make sense. it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> the o.j. trial, drama of the century. it's minutes after midnight. june 13th, 1994.
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los angeles police arrive to a crime scene at bundy drive in upscale brentwood. they find no witnesses. no murder weapon. just two victims. >> slashed, stabbed. everything else. nicole was nearly decapitated. it was a very bloody scene. >> nicole is nicole brown simpson. lying dead beside her? 25-year-old ron goldman. the prime suspect? nicole's ex-husband, football legend o.j. simpson. simpson promises to surrender and then disappears. >> los angeles police department right now is actively searching for mr. simpson. >> simpson is soon spotted inside a white suv. >> highway patrol?
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>> yeah, i think i just saw o.j. simpson on the 5 freeway and he's heading north. >> got everybody scared. >> the famous low speed chase covered live for hours rivets the nation. and ends with simpson's eventual surrender at his home on rockingham avenue. it was just the beginning. >> here's what we know right now. >> this was the perfect soap opera. the o.j. simpson murder case was the first true reality show for the country. >> okay. let's go. here we go. >> this was the first wall to wall televised trial. >> july 22nd. 1994. a month after the murders, the legal proceedings against o.j. simpson begin when he enters this defiant plea. >> absolutely, 100% not guilty.
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>> and to help him prove that, simpson assembles a legal dream team. >> each one of them was famous. >> jeffrey toobin covered the trial for "the new yorker." >> there has never been in american history more prominent defense lawyers on a single trial than in the o.j. simpson case. >> there's harvard law professor, alan dershowitz. >> the ivory tower and the gritty world of trial practice. >> famed criminal attorney, f. lee bailey. >> the person you go to when you're really in lot of trouble and can afford it. >> and of course, johnny cochran, who would take the lead. >> flamboyant. outgoing. approachable. fun.
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and extremely charismatic, while also having considerable mastery of the details of the case. >> and known for defending celebrities like child actor todd bridges, football legend jim brown and superstar michael jackson. but would the all-star strategy work? >> the o.j. dream team was not a dream team. it was a nightmare team. most of the lawyers didn't get along with each other. there was a lot of competition for the limelight. >> despite all that competition, simpson's team comes up with this. they allege that lapd detective mark fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. >> this is not just any city where an allegation of the racist cop is being made. this is the lapd. >> the racist allegations simmering under the surface come to a boil. just days before the trial begins. when the defense wants
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permission to ask fuhrman if he's ever used the "n" word. >> and i'll use the word because i'm quoting him, all the niggers, put them together in a big group and burn them. >> but prosecutor chris darden wants no part of it. >> it's the filthiest word in the english language. it will upset the black jurors. it will issue them a test, and the test will be, who's side are you on? the side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen or are you on the side of the black defendant and his very prominent and capable black lawyer? >> cochran immediately fires back. >> not every african-american feels that way. it's demeaning to our jurors. to say that african-americans cannot hear these offensive words. >> the battle lines are drawn. and race will help define the trial's outcome. it's january 24th, 1995. the trial of orenthal james
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simpson has begun. >> there was a forest of satellite trucks, satellite dishes. people working in trailers. all built so that this trial could go out to the world. >> walking into the courtroom everyday, it was like the red carpet on an arrivals line at the oscars. how are you doing today, o.j.? oh, marcia, how you doing? how your kids? what are you wearing? it's ridiculous. it was crazy. >> outside the courthouse, it's a circus. inside, a real life drama unfolding. with millions of people watching. >> the simpson case combined everything that obsesses the american public. it had violence, sex, race, sports, and the only eyewitness
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was a dog. >> the prosecution's opening statement tells a story of love, lust, and loss of control. >> he killed her because he couldn't have her. >> the trail of blood from bundy through his own ford bronco and into his house in rockingham is devastating proof of his guilt. >> johnny cochran's opening statement tells jurors a very different story. >> the evidence will show that this careless negligent collection of handling and processing of samples, by basically poorly trained personnel from lapd, has campaigned, compromised and corrupted the dna evidence in this case. coming up, behind the scenes. >> it's the first time i've ever really seen a heisman trophy. >> and in court with a juror. >> so did you ever believe kato kaelin's testimony at all?
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this is how we knew o.j. simpson. football star. celebrity pitchman. >> nobody does it better than hertz. >> and movie star. but prosecutors say that dashing public persona hides a much darker truth, that simpson is a violent man. who beat his wife. and it didn't take long before a police detective testified about an incident in 1989. >> a woman came running out of the bushes to my left, crossed
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the driveway. she was a female caucasian blond hair, wearing a bra only as an upper garment, and she had on dark, lightweight sweat pants and started yelling, he's going to kill me, he's going to kill me. >> then jurors hear another chilling 911 call from simpson's wife in 1993. >> my husband broke into my house ranting and raving. >> a year before the murder. >> broke the back door down to get in. >> okay, what's your name? >> nicole simpson. >> okay. is he the sports caster or whatever? >> yeah. >> is he threatening you? >> he's going nuts. >> i was like, you can be pretty bad. >> 20 years later, juror number 4, david aldona, remembers that moment vividly.
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>> so that recording made an impact? >> yeah, it did, because pounding on the door like that, i think you know his record by now. >> and she has seen simpson. >> he grabbed nicole, told her to get out of his house. wanted us all out of his house. he grabbed her, threw her against the wall. picked her up and threw her out of the house. >> however, defense attorney robert shapiro counters with a completely different image of o.j. simpson. here he is with the brown family just hours before nicole's murder. >> we played for the jury the june 12th videotape, where you saw o.j. simpson at 6:00, 6:30 in the evening.
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before the murder. he was kissing the brown family, shaking hands with lee brown. he picked the son up. didn't look bitter and raging. >> so was simpson a warm family man or a violent attacker who cornered and killed two innocent people? jurors and simpson take a field trip to his house and the crime scene. >> it was very good for the jury, i think, to see the relationship of each of those locations to each other as well as to get a much clearer idea of how very, very small the space was in which ron goldman was attacked and murdered by the defendant. and i think this really assisted the jury to understand the evidence better, the testimony better and how the victims were essentially cornered. >> what do you remember the most about visiting o.j.'s house, visiting the crime scene?
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>> that's the first time i've seen a heisman trophy. you couldn't ask questions. nothing was told to us. don't talk amongst yourself and don't touch anything. >> it's this home visit that leads to the very heart of the prosecution's case. the physical evidence against o.j. simpson. >> can you please describe the appearance of the gloves? >> it appeared a dark leather glove, appeared to be somewhat moist or sticky. i didn't touch it but it appeared that parts were sticking to other parts of the glove. >> defense lawyers are eager to point out detective mark furhman's role in discovering the evidence. >> and now mark fuhrman came up to you and told you he made some discoveries, correct? >> yes. >> so we're clear it was mark furhman who allegedly found this glove out there near kato kaelin's room, correct? outside? >> yes.
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>> and it was mark fuhrman who allegedly found the spot on the outside of the bronco, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> mark fuhrman would play a starring role in this unfolding drama, as would this man. >> i heard a thumping noise. >> how many thumps did you hear? >> three. >> simpson's shaggy house guest, kato kaelin. did you ever expect what was going to happen when you got up there and took the stand? >> no, not at all. that was my first time in a courtroom in my entire life. and i think i was 35 at the time. >> kaelin's four days on the stand thrust him into the national spotlight. >> i even come up with a thing saying never has a man done so little to be recognized by so many. >> today he testified, he said that o.j.'s maid never really liked him. sure. she had to work for her room and board. >> why was kato kaelin so memorable? >> he's an idiot. >> really? >> he's so foolish.
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>> that's pretty harsh. >> as a matter of fact, when we were doing our deliberations, he was like a no-brainer. anything he said we have to go against it. he's null and void. >> i was called so many things. i was called a celebrity, a pariah, a dummy, a free loader. >> you were pretty much misunderstood for a really long time. >> 100% misunderstood. this was something i took so serious that i was making sure i answered everything correctly. so i was in deep thought going, okay, answer this right, kato and that was it. if you pause, people go, he's lying. he's doing this. furthest thing from the truth. it's for me to become even more honest. make sure i answer this thing 100% honest. >> which brings us to the night of the murder. kaelin and simpson make a mcdonald's run. >> now what time was it when you got home? >> it was about 9:40. >> kaelin goes to his bedroom and prosecutors say simpson disappears.
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a crucial hour passes before kaelin hears a loud noise outside. [ pounds ] >> where did the noise seem to be coming from? >> from the back of the wall. >> that, prosecutors say, is simpson hitting an exterior wall and dropping a bloody glove. at 10:55, a limo driver waiting to take simpson to the airport spots a black person, six feet tall, 200 pounds. >> i saw a figure come in to the entrance way of the house. >> allen parks said he was buzzing the intercom since 10:40 and received no response. proving, prosecutors say, simpson had not been home. >> this time, there was an answer, which was mr. simpson. he told me that he overslept and
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he just got out of the shower and he'd be down in a minute. >> both park and kaelin notice a dark duffel bag near the rear of simpson's bentley. >> he came out and kato offered to get the bag. he said, no, that's okay. i'll get it. i'll get it. >> what was in the bag? and what did simpson do with it? detective tom lang has a theory. >> you want to know what happened to the knife and the clothes, we know that from a witness at the airport. someone saw him getting out of the limousine the night of the murders and had his arm buried in a trash container. next, with so much evidence, what went wrong? >> people 77. chris darden blew it. the team prosecuting o.j.
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the team prosecuting o.j. simpson for murder has no weapons and no witnesses, but what they do have is a wealth of forensic evidence. evidence that seems to prove o.j. simpson butchered ron goldman and nicole brown simpson. >> it appeared to me to be an overkill, rage killing. >> there was blood everywhere. at the bundy crime scene, at simpson's rockingham estate, and scattered along the route in between. blood, prosecutors say, is simpson's.
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>> does that mean that these characteristics that mr. simpson has that are also found in the bundy walk bloodstain are only found in approximately 1 out of 170 million caucasians or african americans? >> yes, approximately. >> and that's not all. blood consistent with both victims was found in simpson's bronco, on that glove discovered behind his house, and on these socks in his bedroom. >> you described that material, that bloodstaining as matching nicole brown, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and then there were the bloody shoeprints in the bronco and nicole's dress. fbi expert william bodziak says those prints came from bruno mali's designer shoes, in
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simpson's size 12. >> can you include him as a candidate who could have worn the shoes that created the impressions in this case? >> yes, i could include him as a candidate for having possibly worn the shoes. >> as the trial goes on, attention turns from socks and shoes, to gloves. one found at the murder scene. the other? behind simpson's house. together, prosecutors believe they have proof that simpson's caught red handed. >> handing mr. simpson the glove. >> that's people's 77. >> what were you thinking when you heard prosecutor christopher darden request that simpson try on the gloves? >> i was sitting in the
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courtroom, i couldn't find a seat, so i was kind of in the back. and when he did that, f. lee bailey grabbed me and whispered into my ear, he was kind of laughing, why the hell did you let him do that? i didn't know he was going to do anything. chris is a good man, a good prosecutor, a great man. he should have known better. i remember watching the gloves in the courtroom and thinking to myself, he's not going to ask o.j. to put on the glove. that's too much of a risk. you never ask a question in a courtroom, much less do a demonstration where you don't know what the outcome is. and it was like a slow motion
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disaster movie for the prosecution. as o.j. milked the moment for all it was worth and pretended to try on the gloves. >> after the trial, christopher darden would admit to larry king it was a mistake. >> when it happened in court, did you know you were in trouble? >> i knew that it hadn't gone as well as i had hoped. it should have gone. >> did you regard it as earth shattering to the case? >> no, not necessarily. not particularly. it wasn't until i went upstairs and left the courtroom that i realized people thought it was a monumental failure, a monumental mistake. >> was it chris darden that blew this case? >> chris darden blew this case. marcia clark did pretty heavily too, but chris darden blew it. when o.j. was able to walk in front of the jury and say, it's too small, he didn't have to testify. because he had testified in front of the jury and he wasn't examined. so for us, it was a win win. >> he appears to have pulled the gloves on, counsel. >> but to juror david aldona, it
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didn't seem like a big deal. >> o.j. simpson was in front of you when he put on the glove. >> about two feet away from me. >> what do you remember from that moment? >> you know, a lot of people make a big deal about it, but i was a truck driver. i wear gloves all the time. i know that when my gloves get wet, they shrink up. >> after 92 exhausting days of testimony, 58 witnesses and 488 exhibits -- >> we asked the court to receive all the people's exhibits and the people rest. next -- >> the lapd's laboratory is a cesspool of contamination. >> the defense unleashes a blistering attack. >> how about that, mr. fung? why do we do it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people?
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>> citing police incompetence. >> some had gloves, some didn't have gloves. picking up the evidence. >> even suggesting a conspiracy to frame o.j. simpson. >> the fact that blood mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence is devastating evidence of something far more sinister. >> but the fireworks really begin here. defense lawyer barry shaq unleashes a relentless barrage of questions on experts like lapd criminologists, dennis fung. >> how about that, mr. fung! >> confronting him about not wearing gloves while handling evidence. >> did you touch the envelope with your bare hands? >> and confronting him about inconsistencies. >> so you did begin evidence collection before it began? >> yes. >> what you said before wasn't
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true? >> it was the best of my recollection at the time. >> and then the photos from the rear gate of nicole brown simpson's home. this one was taken by fung 20 days after the murders. as you can see, there's a blood stain. however, a photo taken just hours after the murders showed no blood stain. >> where is it, mr. fung? >> look what they did to mr. fung. he needed a vacation because they just reamed him. >> i can't see it in the photograph. >> what do you remember about fung being torn apart by scheck? >> oh, man. >> does that refresh your recollection? are you sure? >> barry scheck is one heck of an attorney. he just ripped him apart. >> scheck is trying to convince the jury not only were investigators incompetent, but they tried to frame o.j. for the murders. and juror david aldona agrees. do you truly believe evidence
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was planted? >> yes. from this day until the day i die. i think it was planned. >> if this was a conspiracy, how do you get blood on socks, blood on the bronco, his own blood? >> it's laughable. planting the blood, how do we get the blood from simpson in chicago to plant the blood that's at the scene? it made no sense. obviously it made no sense. we didn't get simpson's blood until he returned from chicago. none of it made any sense, but nobody cared. it was a great show. >> and the show continues. more testimony from defense experts. >> have you ever seen a single assailant wear two pairs of shoes? >> no. >> that represents human dna
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that shouldn't be there and that's what our definition of contamination is. >> on the stand now, o.j.'s personal physician, robert huizenga. he testifies that simpson is in no way capable of murdering nicole brown simpson. >> although he looked like tarzan, he was walking more like tarzan's grandfather. >> the defense is on a roll. until prosecutor brian kelberg plays a 70 minute workout video on cross examination. >> working up a sweat here too. >> you bet. >> it was filmed just two weeks before the murder, simpson not only looks fit but even cracks a joke about wife beating. >> i'm telling you, got to get your space in there if you're working out with the wife, you know what i mean. >> but perhaps the most dramatic and powerful moment for the defense is still to come. >> once he said never in ten years have i ever used the "n" word, i knew we had him.
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allegedly found the spot on the outside of the bronco, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> at every opportunity -- >> did mark fuhrman have a flashlight when he was over at the bronco? >> o.j. simpson's team attacks lead detective mark fuhrman. >> did you have an occasion to have a conversation with mark fuhrman? >> f. lee bailey says fuhrman may be a criminal. >> did you go back to the crime scene? any more observations? >> bailey wants to know if he planted evidence at the scene. >> did you wipe a glove in the bronco, detective fuhrman? >> no. >> you did not? >> no. >> but some of the jurors believe fuhrman was up to no good. >> did you ever for a moment believe that the police wanted
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to frame o.j. simpson? >> frame him? i think that was in fuhrman's mind. >> but why would fuhrman want to frame o.j. simpson? simple, says the defense team. fuhrman is a racist. >> why did it become so much about race? >> it's amazing. because o.j. simpson was as white a black person as you can imagine. he lived a white life. lived in a white neighborhood. >> married to a white woman. >> married to a white woman. working for a major car company. he was not part of the african-american community to speak of, but i think that many african-americans could identify with the police tampering with evidence and planting evidence. >> were you familiar with the language attributed to you by ms. bell?
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>> and to hammer home that fuhrman is a racist, bailey repeatedly asked if he'd used a certain racial slur. >> you say on your oath you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past ten years? >> that's what i'm saying, sir. >> so that anyone who comes to this court and quotes you as using that word in dealing with african americans would be a liar, would they not, detective fuhrman? >> yes, they would. >> all of them? >> all of them. >> i was focused on mark fuhrman, his every twitch and eye movement. i had no notes. i only wanted one thing from him. denial. >> no. never. >> once he said never in ten years have i ever used the "n" word, i knew we had him. >> when he was asked that question by f. lee bailey about using the n word, everybody in the world knew he was being set up but him. >> what i didn't know was we
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also had him on tape. >> four months after bailey versus fuhrman, the defense gets an unlikely tip. screen writer laura hard mckinney had interviewed mark fuhrman for a fictional script she was writing and she still has the audio recordings. despite a court order to keep the tape sealed, some of the startling contents are leaked. >> he's just a real racist scum. >> now we're going to look at fuhrman and what a scum bag he is. >> and to ron goldman's father, fred, the tapes are a devastating distraction. >> this is not now the fuhrman trial. this is a trial about the man that murdered my son. >> the judge has ruled that the
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jury will be able to hear portions of taped interviews with now retired lapd detective mark fuhrman. >> fuhrman said the "n" word dozens of times on the tape, but judge ito decides the jury will only hear two. the excerpts are brief yet powerful and disturbing. >> they don't do anything. [ indiscernible ] >> after the excerpt ended of the fuhrman tapes, you broke down and cried at the moment. why? >> because i was worried at the ramifications because i watched them with this look of horror and disgust, you know, and watched them turn. i was like, that's it. >> that's it. fuhrman had lied on the stand and had used an abhorrent racial slur. it throws a whole new light on defense assertions that he
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planted evidence. a charge he denies today. but would not address at the time. >> detective fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? >> i assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> he refused to answer that question on the grounds it might tend to incriminate him. what more does anyone need? >> fuhrman is disgraced and dismissed from the case. coming up -- >> mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. >> the dramatic verdict. late september 1995, for nine long months, the trial of the century has been a national 6- hey! guess what day it is?? >>hump day! hummmp daaay! it's hump day! >>yeah! >>hey mike! mike mike mike mike mike! >>mike mike mike mike mike. hey! he knows! hey! guess what day it is! hey! camel! guess what day it is! >>it's not even wednesday. let it go, phil.
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september, 1995, for nine long months, the trial of the century has been a national obsession. but a casualty of the constant hype is the freedom of 14 men and women, the jury has been sequestered since before the trial started. >> we were told it would be about three months, and then when the third month came, and then four and then five, and then it kept on going.
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it just went on and on and on. >> but says david aldonna, there were several bright spots like secret field trips. >> i got the fly the goodyear blimp and i went to dodger stadium and i caught a foul ball. >> and even a visit. >> one day some of my friends came and we drank some beer and got plastered. >> and even juror fatigue was cited by o.j. simpson as to why he would not testify. >> i'm mindful of the mood and the stamina of this jury. i have confidence, ugh, a lot more of it seems of their integrity, and that they will find, that i could not, could not and would not have committed this crime.
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>> and tho more statemeno more closing statements. first up was marcia clark. >> let me come back to mark fuhrman for a moment. just so it is clear, did he lie when he testified mere the courtroom saying that he did not use racial epiteths in the last ten years? yes. is he a racist? yes. but the fact that mark fuhrman is a racist, and lied about it on the witness stand does not mean that we have not proven the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. >> and then comes defense attorney barry scheck. >> there is no doubt that he is a genocidal racist, but we should believe him. so if that can happen, there is
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a reasonable doubt in this case, period, end of sentence, end of case. >> finish ing fing for the defe johnny cochran with probably the most memorable quote of the trial. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> but two decades later, we learn it was not cochran's phrase at all. >> he didn't invent that. it was done by the dean of the santa clara law school jerry oleman who was the most unknown person in our defense team. >> and 20 years from now, he is getting the proper credit. >> he gets the proper credit. he deserves it. >> beregard -- but regardless of the source, the words worked. and more than 260 days isolated in a hotel, the jurors are finally sent to determine o.j. simpson's fate. >> we walked into that room.
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well, let's see. what do you want to do first? let's see where everybody stands. we went around the room. guilty, not guilty. >> it is two votes not gi-- two votes guilty and ten not guilty. >> now, you had been se questered and tire and had not seen your kids and you were tire and you wanted to get out of there, and were the majority of you working hard to get the two to come on board? >> no, actually no. it was not arguing or yelling or anything like that. we just came and took the another vote, and the other two came on board. they said not guilty. and it wasn't because they thought that he was innocent, it is because the prosecution just didn't prove it. >> and aldonna for one also believed the defense argument
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that the police framed o.j. >> how it is with all of this evidence gaiagainst o.j. that h set free? >> some of that stuff was planted. and when some of it was planted, what was and what wasn't? >> and how did mark fuhrman play a part in your decision when it came down to the verdict? >> quite a bit. because everything that he had anything to do with pretty much got thrown out. i knew he was dirty. after a while, you get a sense of people. >> do you truly believe that the police, the detectives, the criminologists were as inkom incompetent as the defense had made them out to be? >> yeah. i think so. >> mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. >> deliberations take less than four hours. >> we, the jury n the above
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entitled action find james orenthal simpson find you not guilty in the above entitled action -- >> i heard it and i just fell apr part. >> kim and fred goldman were devastated. >> it is as if the insides were just yanked inside of you. everything that we knew to be certain that he had killed ron and nicole suddenly as if, wait a minute, how is that possible. >> then our side was in shock, and you hear the cheers and the jubilee going on the other side. >> that division became what was seen across the tvs for several days. it was blacks cheering and
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whites crying. >> when you think of the verdict now, what are your thoughts? >> i feel betrayed. i feel really let down. i feel confused. emotionally, i don't get why they chose to acquit him. logically i get it, because it is a racial thing and it is the messenger, and i'm sad. we as a country that we could not rise above. >> above it and realize that two people were murdered, slaughtered and that you do the right thing at that moment. >> juror number 11 as to count two, is this your verdict? >> all right! >> and as for simpson, he returns to his home in brentwood vowing to spend his time looking for the real killer. but first, he has a phone call to make, to cnn.
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>> with us on the phone now is o.j. simpson. how are you? >> i'm doing fine, and one, i want to thank you. >> could you believe that he called? >> no, i could not believe it. so he calls n and we put him on, ak chaul lishg and johnny cochran is there, and he thanks johnny cochran. >> i want to thank that man, johnny cochran for listening and believing and putting his heart and soul on the line for sending me home. >> he said i will come on soon and i will give you the whole story, larry. >> do you believe that o.j. simpson is innocent 20 years later? >> i found him innocent, and i believe he is innocent. >> you still believe that 20 years later? >> yep. >> with all of your heart? >> all of my heart. if i were given the same evidence again, i would find him evidence again, i would find him not guilty again.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon from o.j. to expatriot aaron hernandez and charges against nfl players have yet to shock us. his trial is to begin just days before his team is sett to face the seattle seahawks in the super bowl xlix in fact. >> and meanwhile, the pats are in hot water. did they deliberately deflate game balls? is there a culture of cheating in the nfl or what it takes to win. and why does america love to hate the patriots anyway? i will toss it around with nfl pro pete najarian here on set with
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