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all right. it's a sensitive moment. the king of saudi arabia king abdullah has died. there's a new king. king solomon who will be the new king. stay with us for continuing coverage. dramatic developments unfolding. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett outfront starts now. outfront next breaking news. saudi arabia's king abdullah is dead. the king of the number one ally in the arab world. the leader of the largest export of oils. we have brebreaking details. time is running out for two hostages. black man shot and killed by a police officer during a routine traffic stop. all of this caught on dash cam video. was it justified? let's go outfront.
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good evening. much more on our breaking news. the death of the king of saudi arabia. first, i want to get to this issue we're dealing with with the hostages as the clock is kicking down at this moment. time is running out for the hostages held by isis. we have less than six hours before the deadline expires. the threat to murder two japanese men until $200 million is paid. officials are in a desperate race against time. they are trying to communicate with isis the the theory is trying to pay something. we don't know fully. we're learning surprising new details about these men. to their past that may have led them to travel to syria and try to turn his life around. jim is out front. as we're now looking at what's happening in the middle east with this incredibly important story, you now have just six hours left to save these
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hostages. is there hope? >> based on past practice these two japanese citizens if grave danger. the focus has been simply to establish contact with isis though japanese officials have said they will stick to a pledge not to pay a ransom in this case but we know based on past practice isis is difficult to negotiate with. there have been some that have paid ransoms. that's the only path out. the japanese saying that's in the the only step. it's a grave situation for them with a few hours to go. >> as you say just a few hours to go. at this point is there any indication that a ransom is being paid or the japanese are attempting to pay ransom? >> there's no indication. japanese leaders in conversations with western leaders there was call between the prime minister david cameron, and his counterpart, the japanese foreign minister
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in which he said they would not pay a ransom would not negotiate. they do want to establish contact what they hope to achieve is an open question. as you know well this is a difficult group to negotiate with. >> thank you very much. as jim indicates, japanese officials are desperately trying to do what they can to save these two men. the question is how did they wind up in isis custody? will ripley is out front. >> reporter: just hours before the deadline set by isis, pay a $200 million ransom or they will execute two hostages. japanese officials are trying to talk to isis through any means possible a desperate attempt the save these two men. 47-year-old kenji is a freelance journalist and veteran of war zones. he made this video last fall just showers before he disappeared in syria. >> suffering three years.
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it's enough. >> reporter: 42-year-old traveled to syria twice last year. reuters siting his post painted pictures of a troubled maen who lost his wife to cancer and his home and business to bankruptcy. at one point he attempted suicide. took a dratraditionally female name. his trips to syria were apparently part of plan to turn his life around and gain experience that might help him fight work as a security consultant according to reuters. last spring they met in syria and forged a friendship but he was captured there on later trip in august. in this video he's seen being brutally interrogated at knife point. >> why you have gun? >> reporter: in october he told his long time syrian fixer he
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wanted to return to syria to search for news of his friend. he made the trip any way leaving a list of people to call if he should disappear. >> it is my responsibility if something happens. >> reporter: with time running out, many fear the worst that like five western hostages before them these two unlikely friends could soon become the latest victims of isis' barberism. here in tokyo, we're aware of those reports out of uk that japanese officials apparently made claims they weren't going to pay ransom but they have not said that in tokyo. they have refused to answer the question only saying they want to communicate with isis. question know there's been under the table deals suspected of being worked out. we don't know if anything like that is being worked out.
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>> thank you. now american contractor who was held hostage by terrorists in iraq and tim clemente. there's so many things about this tragic situation that do not match the way isis has done this before in this beheading situations. they have killed one hostage at a time. they haven't given a specific count down. they need the pr. they have these two hostages and gives support. not just the face of japan but all of the other than world saying we have the power and they do have the power. i think the time line and the impossible demand of the $200 million are together.
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neither of those two can be met. japan can't meet the negotiation and make the communications happen in 72 hours and they're not going to put $200 million on the table. isis through down an impossible gauntlet. the japanese government cannot meet that demand and hastwhat's going to happen to these two individuals is what will happen to the other individuals that happened to the others that have been held at knife point. >> it's is same person we saw in the videos with the american that was beheaded. do you agree they are doing this on purpose to be impossible? it's not worth paying any ransom. you were held for 311 days held by captors. they asked for money. they're asking for $200 million. >> they're just making
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ridiculous demands just to show their power. i don't think they ever had any expectation of getting the money within 72 hours just like in my case the gang was asking for 6 million. i don't think they expected 6 million. they expected maybe some negotiations and settle for some kind of fraction of that. >> why the 72 hour time frame? is it really just for the press of this? they think they'll get more attention. they got attention when they said we're going to do this and they did it. then they put this time frame on this one. >> i think the timeline just one more way to say we are in charge. right now everybody in the world is following this story because it's a tragic story. these two individuals will probably lose their lives and lose it in the most dastardly way possible. what isis does is they're saying to the japanese government you may be a powerful nation that
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have $200 million to throw away in the cause against us but we're holding you in a noose right now but holding these two captives at knife point. they literally have the poker hand that japan can't beat. as i said the other day it's a win-win for isis and a lose-lose for japan no matter how this comes out. >> what do they do next? we have been reporting they have been running out of western host hostages hostages. if they are going to kill and we're all still hoping there will be a miracle, but if they do in the next few hours kill these japanese hostages they don't have many left. we know they have one american woman and the hope is that because she's a woman, perhaps she will not meet this fate. it doesn't sound like they have a lot more left. >> i'm sure they will be looking for other western hostages. that's the issue. when you run out of hostages you
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don't have a bargaining chip for money. that's why the gangs who actually want money and not so interested in a political stunt like this won't actually kill the hostages because they do want the money and they'll keep them alive longer. as you say, eventually they're going to run out of people if they keep doing this. >> thanks very much to you roy and tim as we follow that breaking news. any developments could come at any moment. we're following that this hour. we're following the major breaking news. king abdullah of saudi arabia has died. that's america's strongest arab ally. a major story for the united states tonight. we have the latest and the dash cam video showing a routine traffic stop turning deadly. the officer shooting and killing the driver. was it justified?
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>> a gun is spotted, threats are made and a 36-year-old suspect shot dead. he forced himself out of his vehicle with his hands raised. there are calls for justice but was the shooting justified. jean casarez is out front. >> reporter: it was a routine traffic stop the night of december 30th. >> how y'all doing. >> >> how you doing? >> good. >> reason i'm pulling you over you ran right through that stop sign there. >> reporter: the situation turns hostile just 22 seconds later when the officer draws his gun. >> show me your hands. don't [ bleep ] move. don't you [ bleep ] move. get them out the car. got a gun in glove department. >> durnturns on a dime. what is the officer seeing? >> once you have a gun in the car, all bets are off. anything can happen. >> reporter: we can't see what's
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happening inside the car but the officer appears to take a chance reaching inside to grab the gun. >> you are on high alert right now now. >> show me your hands. show me your hands. >> reporter: just 46 seconds into the encounter officer days has told the suspect seven times not to move. >> he is telling him. >> reporter: before he takes it one step further. >> i'm going to shoot you. you going to be [ bleep ] dead. you reach for something you going to be [ bleep ] dead. i'm telling you. keep your [ bleep ] hands right there. >> reporter: calling the suspect by name. jerome you reach for something you going to be [ bleep ] dead. police say officer days arrested him in august on drug charges and resisting arrest. he's reaching. in 1995 he was also convicted of first-degree attempted murder and served about 13 years in prison for shooting at new
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jersey state troopers. >> show me your hands. >> reporter: despite orders not the move the suspect tries to get out of the car. the officer pushes that car door in to keep it shut. >> he's trying to keep the individual in the car. he doesn't know what else is in the car. >> reporter: three seconds later he gets out and is shot and killed with hands in front of him. >> it's very easily to pull something out of your jacket. >> reporter: it unfolds 1:13. this case has been taken out of hands of the police department. it's now in the hands of the prosecutors office. was it a justified killing or was it not a justifyied killing. if they find it's not justified it's going to a grand jury. the officers are on administrative leave. we called the attorney that's
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representing the family of the victim in this case they did not return our calls. >> how it infolded. i'm not shocked it happened. >> he said he forecasted to him. he said if you get out of the car i'm going to shoot. he said if you mover i'm going to shoot you. he didn't do what the officer said. if an officers asks you and he says don't get out of the car and he's like don't get out the car and you keep goating out, you're not complying with the officer. >> you're not complying but does that justify shooting him. they saw the gun in the car. if you're getting out with your hands up you don't have a gun
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in your hands even tho you're doing something. >> you're still a threat to the officer. just because you have your hands up doesn't mean you're not a threat. you can see that the officer told him seven times to stay in the car. you see his friend mp his hands are out of window making sure don't shoot me. here's my hands. he decides that he doesn't want to do it. i watched it like ten times. his hands are moving around inside there. >> in order to open the door of the car you have to -- >> right. that's true. >> he said he was getting out. the officer said don't get out. >> the officer is pushing the door to stop him. >> he pushes against it. >> when ghets up to get out, this is offensive because the officer told you to stay inside. let's say you got the gun and i'm this close, i can grab the gun from you now. that's what the officer was thinking about. >> as this all happened, 1:13.
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let me show you quickly that happened. >> show me your hands. don't you move. get him out the car. we got a gun in the glove compartment. don't you move. i'm going to shoot you. you going to be [ bleep ] dead. i'm telling you. he's reaching. he's reaching. show me your [ bleep ] hands. no you're not. no you're not. don't [ bleep ] move. don't you [ bleep ] move. >> i mean it's disturbing to watch. >> everyone i show the video to say the same thing. >> i would have shot him. when you're this close to me and i've got a weapon on the you, ha he was trying to do is he was hoping in his mind that the police officer would be very reluctant to shoot him because he had no weapon. hen he got out of car and was
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against everything the police officer told him to do he felt that he had a position where he would jump at that gun. >> when he says don't move. don't move. there's no confusion there. >> the officer already found a gun in the glove compartment. the reason i say that i was shocked is whether you agree with the officer whether you think the officer is a jerk whatever you think about the officer, whatever you think just comply because the guy who has his hands outside of the car. he's alive. he's alive. >> to the point, this only escalated. it started out how are you, buddy or how are you brother? >> he knew him. >> it could be important when you talk about how quickly this escalated. >> it's only when they saw the gun. let me show that part. this is when they saw the gun in the glove compartment.
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>> you got a driver's license? >> yeah i got it. >> you want to grab it for me. >> no no. show me your hands. show me your [ bleep ] hands. >> what about this issue that we're talking about when you talk about who shot? it was the black officer. now, i'm just going to say we're talking about this now is this a justified shooting. this conversation would be different if the officer was white. this would be a different conversation. >> talking an alleged racial incident. >> correct. >> you don't have to be a white or whatever. you can be a black officer. you can be a minority officer and still be coopted by the system if it's corrupt. this appears to be a justified shooting if you look at the video objectively and what the officer did. i'm not a legal expert but looking at a layperson, he did not follow the officer's orders.
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also i notice that the other cop shot as well. did you see that? >> that's where you're rolling your eyes that's not okay. . >> he is lucky he did not kill his partner. the minute i saw that i knew that was a bad mistake. he was right in the line of fire. >> if an officer tells you something whether you agree or not, if he's a jerk a bad officer, whatever it is, comply with that officer until afterwards. >> this doesn't to a grand jury. >> then you handle it afterwards. >> if this let's just reverse the racial roles and say the cop shooting was white then would you be having a different conversation about the grand jury? >> i don't think so. there would be bigger outrage maybe publicly and i think it maybe would go in front of grand jury and the prosecutor.
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i think the officer would be have the same thing would be exonerated. >> just like they do other police incidents. this is clearly a justified shooting for that officer. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you taking the time. the breaking news. show you a live picture right now. this is mecca. thousands of people there. it's 3:30 in the morning there. mourners gathering in remberance of their king. emergency personnel in yemen are being evacuated. we'll have more in a molt.
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reformer in an extremely conservative saudi world which is famous for flogging and where women can still not drive. he was major player in an incredibly volatile part of the world. the next king will be prince solomon more conservative than his brother. jim you're getting statement from the white house. this is a big story here in the u.s. and major one for the president. what's the reaction? >> reporter: this statement just came out in the last several minutes. the president expressing his condolences over the loss of king abdullah. we're putting this together as we put it together up on screen. i can read it to you but just to give you a sense of the relationship between president obama and king abdullah it's been a business-like relationship over the last several years. i was with president obama when he flew out to the king's desert retreat. here's some pictures of that
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right now. you can see the saudi king breathing with the assistance of an oxygen tube. we all noticed that in the room for about 30 seconds when they were discussing relations. there were some serious disagreements. the saudi king did not like the u.s. talking with iran about containing its nuclear program in part because saudi arabia feels threatened by iran but also because they don't want the united states to get cozy with iran. saudi arabia likes having that close relationship with the united states. until we get that graphic put together i do want to read part of this because i think it frames the relationship between the president and the saudi king and he says as our countries work together to con front many challenges i valued king abdul lal la's perspective. he had the courage of his convictions. one of those with a steadfast
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and passionate belief in the importance of the relationship as a force for stability and security in the middle east and beyond. the closeness and strength of the partnership between our two countries is part of the king's legacy. i think what is interesting to point out about this meeting back in march, i was tweeting out pictures at that time. erin i'm not talking about this just to talk about myself. when i tweeted out these pictures it gave me an indication as to how closed a society saudi arabia is because those tweets spread like wildfire across the internet being retweeted by people inside saudi arabia who had never seen inside the king's retreat. the king by allowing our cameras in that room was in a way opening up his own kingdom to his own people. i found that striking during that visit. one thing that we should point out, the last time the two leaders spoke was in september of this year you're recall what the president said that made a
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lot of news. the president decided to go ahead and give a speech about a strategy on isis. he called king abdullah prior to giving that speech because obviously as isis goes so potentially goes saudi arabia. he was concerned about the president's move with respect to isis. a long relationship. a good relationship. should also mention prince solomon who will be taking the throne. president obama last speak with him in 2012. there is a relationship there as well. >> he's known as a pragmatic leader. more conservative than his brother. women still not allowed to drive in saudi arabia. jim, thank you so much. nic robertson is in london tonight. this transition in saudi arabia is a crucial one for every country around the world when
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you look at how important this country is in terms of providing oil and stability to the planet. >> reporter: absolutely. the country's has become more pivotal in the region taking a stronger stance. that's part of what king abdullah ultimately delivered an perhaps maybe his longer lasting legacy. when he came to the throne absolutely. there were great expectations. >> king abdullah ushered in great expectations. it was august 2005. he'd been running saudi arabia since 1996 following his half brother's stroke the previous year. now is the time modernizers hoped saudi arabia would shed some of its ultraconservative values improve women's right, broaden political freedoms.
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he was the sixth saudi monarch. his father was the country's first ruler. unifying the desert kingdom in 1932. on his death in 1953 succession passed to his sons. the eldest almost capable first. by the time he took the thrown he was already in his 80s. in nearly a decade a ruling on behalf of his brother he began opening the door to reform. the events of september 11 2001 crystallized the choice before the saudi royal family. 15 of the 19 al qaeda hijackers who attacked the united states were saudis and al qaeda was targeting the saudi establishment and its allies. under abdullah's leadership the country slowly squashed al qaeda capturing or killing its leaders
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in the kingdom. forcing the remnants under ground and sidelining radical preachers. at the same time the king unlike some of his predecessors began investing the country's oil wealth and investing jobs for the future. embarking on a massive building program. just one of several such megaprojects creating cities from the ground up. providing not just accommodation for work force but new industries. acknowledgement that oil money wouldn't last forever. the king focused onramping up education too. king abdullah university of science and technology designed to be the first co-ed university in the country. he was creating ripples of discontent. some of his more conservative ministers, his half brothers bridled at his changes.
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they weren't the only saudis disappointed with his leadership. many women hoped forrer greater independence under his rule the right to drive. their dreams were not realized. he initiated forums for women to debate issues but failed to give them real freedom. in the saudi there were limits to what he could achieve. beyond the borders he saw the kingdom stature grow. the only arab naxtion with a seat at the g-20. he bolstered the desert kingdom's defense forces with a massive $150 billion and bank egypt's military rulers crushing the pan national islamist, the muslim brotherhood who he saw as
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a threat. he became first guardian to meet the pope. despite saudi arabia own relatively conservative and seemingly xenophobic interpretation, he preached islam. he will be remembered by many as being a few paces ahead. i met king abdullah a few years ago. he was very much a man in command and in control at that time. everything was deferred to him. i was there the day he came to power. i attended the previous king's funeral. we can expect king abdullah's funeral to be similar to that. a large number of royals all gathering. a very quick common there. literally luring the coffin in covering with soil and moving on and going to congratulate and to
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pay respects to the new king. erin. >> thank you very much. certainly when you go to saudi social security a country that revolved around its king. this country's number one arab ally. the largest exporter of oil. they did not have an arab spring which was crucial to world stability. the passing is a crucial moment for the united states isn't it. >> it is. the succession is going to be very important. he's tried to raise the succession. what we're seeing is beginning of the process where power will evolve to the next generation. this will be a difficult transition. particular a time when saudi is worried about iran and worried about the isis. in the difficult time and one
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that we're going to need to stand by our saudi ally. >> how do they maintain stability. these are live. you have thousands of people to mourn for the king. he was widely loved in that country. during arab spring he was away for a time. he came back and there were celebrations in the streets. you know have a crown prince becoming a king taking over who is also 80 years old. is stability actually in threat? >> it's a difficult moment. i don't think stability is fundamentally threatened. one thing we have seen as you suggestion is this monarchies have some legitimacy among the people in way the military supported and authoritarians did
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not. he started down the path. probably not as fast as many of us would have liked. in the saudi context he was a former and started the process change. i think also accounted toward the support he had. >> we appreciate you taking the time to us about that breaking story. next two american navy warships are standing by as american embassy personnel are being evacuated from yemen as the country goes into more chaos. that's next. an outfront exclusive. what we know about the final moments of air yaz flight. go! go! go! he's challenging the very fabric of society. in a post cannonball world! was it grilled cheese? guilty! the aquatic delinquency is a larger issue to this ♪ you did it again, didn't you?
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jim the u.s. is reducing its staff force. >> the resignation of the president just in the last 24 hours and you have rebels the shiite rebels providing security on the streets to u.s. embassy compounds. when you reach that stage it was beyond the pail and they made a decision to do this. keep in mind the u.s. had already reduced staff there under what's called an ordered departure. this is yet another step. they haven't completely evacuated the embassy there but they say they are monitoring this every day, not just by the hour but by the minute in case they need to take further steps. >> jim, what happens next. the u.s. is going to pull out for a while just as we're
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hearing reports that isis is expanding in a country that's headquarters for al qaeda and the arabian peninsula. it would seem this is the worst of all possible worlds. >> this has consequences. the embassy staff on the ground has enormous functions. one is helping to liasse with the government that's been helpful in the drone campaign providing intelligence et cetera. that's one reason why you keep some people on the ground here. that drone campaign is slowed in the last couple of months. if you lose that entire presence on the ground takes pressure off. you saw what they are capable of in paris. >> thank you very much. can't just ignore something and hope it goes away. thank you. next what we know about what went on inside the cockpit of air asia flight 8501. inside the cockpit. everything happening as we understand it happened. we'll show you what happened,
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exclusive reenactment from all the information we've gotten from the investigators in the cockpit. kyung lah is out front. >> right now flying the airbus 8320. >> and you've flown this before. >> yes. >> reporter: so times with airlines dan duke has lost count. we're joining in a simulator, is the same as the airasia flight 8501. >> it's easier for them to fly, easier to train. >> reporter: state-of-the-art computerized plane, so smart it can correct a pilot's mistakes but not all of them. >> guys hold on to your hats. >> reporter: we ask duke to fly through the sort of storm air asia encountered. how fierce a norm?
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>> picture yourself on the worst roller coaster you've been on and multiply by ten. >> reporter: this is what they were experiencing. >> yes, much more like this. you see the 6,000 feet a minute. >> reporter: climbing at 6,000 feet a minute out of control and beyond the plane's normal capacity. something forced the plane up. what's happening in the cockpit? >> in the cockpit there's tremendous confusion. >> reporter: and you can feel the plane slowing down just before the fall. >> feel that bump? >> reporter: they're not flying anymore. they're just dropping. >> just 12,000 feet a minute. >> reporter: just dropping. oh yeah. was that a crash? >> yes, a crash. pulled too much. >> reporter: it happened before i even knew it. >> we were doing 15,000 feet a minute down. that's about what they were doing when they disappeared off the radar. >> reporter: in most of the scenarios he runs the auto pilot corrects and sudden climbs or dives. >> here's the stall.
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we were saying oh we need to slow. we need power. >> reporter: something an a-320 pilot trains for. whatever happens to air asha we can only guess it was so violent the passengers and pilots couldn't get out of it. >> probably very uncomfortable, probably very scared and there was nothing they could do about it. they were very helpless. >> reporter: what he can capture, the sheer terror of the human beings aboard airasia flight 8501 and the grief and the sudden loss of all of those lives. kyung lah, cnn, las vegas. >> outfront next robots. yeah. she hot enough to date or not?
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if you want to learn about how robots take over our life yooum want to watch inside man. in this season three premiere morgan spurlock shows how creepy this can be. >> plunge into the uncanny valley. the feeling of revulsion people feel when something looks human but is not. >> that's creepy. >> do you feel comfortable talking to me? >> it's weird because what happens, there will be things that make the android look
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incredibly human, like when you move the eyes yeah but then there's things that kind of give away the facade like the movement of the mouth or the movement of the arms. the minute all those things are fixed, it will be unbelievable. >> okay she's disturbing. >> so disturbing. >> to your point, it's perfect, but then it's just very very wrong. >> yeah but in time it will get more perfect. that's the incredible thing. this is a few years old but it will get better. not long until we talk to what looks like a regular human being and that's fascinating. >> the moral and ethical quandaries that come with that but when you look at her, what is the point? it's not like you can marry her. >> it's to get us comfortable about humanoid robots. it will be like in a business to do basic services you do now and
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someone will create this facade of an interaction that we take for granted right now. >> the crucial question, when you talk about how it's so right but so wrong, you can fix some of the so wrong, the hand motions can be fixed, right? but then it gets to the point of the heart and the soul. how does she feel and how does she feel and if they're somehow able to make that more and more starts with a trigger and then all of the sudden feeds back then it actually is a human. >> yes, well that is the real question with we ask in the show. what point will we have such artificial intelligence they will be able to think and almost feel as a constructed feeling just like human beings. that's a decades away but having them in our lives, this is not decades away it's years away self-driving cars interactive robots in our homes. this is going to happen within the next five or ten years. >> so the massive war with the aliens come down to earth and take over -- >> our we're building them.
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our kids have to deal with it. we'll be gone. we'll be okay. >> as long as it's not in our lifetime. okay. well this is amazing. i love all of yours but this is particularly fascinating. thank you so much morgan and the season premiere. don't miss "inside man" tonight robots and all here on cnn. soon i'll be human. you could marry one. "ac360" starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. we have breaking news tonight. a change in power for one of america's closest and most influential allies in the arab world, saudi arabia. king abdallah died. the first time came tonight when sau de programming put koranic verses. simply have come as a sort of pilgrimage and how much turned up to mourn the late king. however,
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