ant to help those people who are in need. >> this is absolutely fascinating. >> reporter: dan simon, cnn, santa clara, california. >> inspirational story. thank you for joining us. be sure to dvr "outfront" to watch anytime. "ac360" begins now. good evening and thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with a big, snowy icy dangerous system about to hit the northeast but already caused big trouble as far west as the rio grand. chad joining us from the weather center. >> this storm started wednesday in texas. they had a foot of snow in amarillo and moved to the east where it wasn't as cold. now in atlanta and charlotte and roanoke. now it's going to encounter colder air, pennsylvania new york city the parkway. higher elevations colder temperatures. this is where the snow will be not just the rain.

i-95 pretty much a rain event. and if you go to philadelphia wilmington and baltimore that is where the rain/snow line is going to be. in the middle it will rain snow sleet, freezing rain change over to snow and finally stop. the big story is how bad does the weather get, how bad does travel get? good news it's saturday. so we'll not see the real travel problems like if it was monday or tuesday. i-95 that's the demarcation mark of snow. and 10 miles, we decide it's going to do a lot of each. rain snow sleet, all together. and bethlehem, water gap, that's all six inches plus and even towards western boston. 8 inches plus there. you get closer to the shore, closer to the warmer air, closer

to the water. you will get all rain. there is one more threat i didn't talk about here. it's not snow. there's the potential for some spotty ice to develop overnight tonight. and if that happens and you're driving tomorrow morning before the daylight you may not see it you may not realize it's there, so be careful of the ice accumulation that could be bad in some spots. it doesn't take much. eighth of an inch take it is car completely out of control. and monday crisscrosses this storm through philadelphia. a three inch snow maker but could be more of a problem i guess because it's monday and not a stay at home and watching snow saturday. anderson? >> all right. chad thanks very much. let's jump back into the story. depending who you ask, either a juicy scandal, bad joke or both. the nfl today made it official the league says the evidence suggests some of the footballs that tom brady threw in last weekend's afc championship game were in fact under-inflated. as for who, if anyone took the air out of them or put too little in that remains unknown.

patriots head coach bill belichick and tom brady said not me. that's why rachel nichols is here to tell us more. the nfl today, what exactly did they say? >> reporter: they confirmed a lot of the reporting out here. this is what we know now officially. the game balls from each team and remember each team gets to provide their own footballs for their own offense, were brought to the official's office at the correct time a couple hours before the game and they were in fact tested by the officials and both team's footballs were found to be in code totally fine. sometime between then and during the first half the patriots' footballs had a lot less air in them. the colts footballs stayed the same. you start to think, i don't know if weather is much of a factor which is sort of one the concerns out there. they confirm now, however, that when they swapped the footballs out at halftime and gave the patriots new footballs, those footballs stay inflated properly. one more factor that probably

takes weather out of the equation. so that's some of what they laid out today. they also laid more out about their investigations. they said they have already interviewed 40 people some in the patriots organization many outside the patriots organization. just to get the sense of comparison from other teams. how they handle their footballs and procedures. now, tom brady said that nobody has talked to him yet which raised a lot of eyebrows. in fact there's no plan on the patriots who said anyone talked to him yet. wonder when investigators get to the patriots players. that remains to be seen. >> and when you say the refs did test the balls, not just holding them squeezing them it's actually -- >> there's an air gauge they use. there's an official procedure for it and there was a question of gee, did they really do it? the nfl came out today and said yes, they did. >> right. so now the nfl issued their statement, the patriots, he issued a statement as well. >> he said the patriots will show transparency completely cooperate with the investigation and it's interesting too that the nfl revealed exactly what

the investigation will entail and that it will not only be an nfl investigator they hired an outside forensic company that specializes in e-mails, phone calls, text messages things like that and then also going to include ted wels you might remember the criminal attorney an outside counsel but been hired by the league and he's the one who led the investigation as the miami dolphins bullying scandal. that's relevant because he was pretty thorough in that investigation and also relevant because it took him three months to complete that investigation, so we knew that this probably was not going to get completed before the super bowl, now we have a pretty strong indication this will take quite some time to complete and that's key. because what that does now is let bill belichick tom brady and frankly, roger gooddell saying this is an ongoing investigation. we can't really talk about this much anymore and it clears the nfl to let people focus on the game. >> one of the things that's been confusing to me i mean, the

colts linebacker reported to have noticed the deflated ball when he intercepted a pass yesterday, he said that was not the case. that it didn't come from him. so i guess the question is how did this whole thing start if not with him? >> it's a little bit of parsing there. the original report said when he intercepted the ball he brought it to the sideline tot equipment staff which is standard a lot of players want to keep the game ball take it home with them. the equipment staff saves it for them. when he took it the equipment staff noticed it. so the original story was never he noticed it. it was after he intercepted the ball the equipment staff noents noetsed it but it was interesting he went out of the way to make the comment and gives a window into the culture. he said not me i wasn't tattling, i wasn't doing sour grapes i'm not the tattle tale here. there's a code of don't tell, it's a fraernt. when the patriots convicted of spy gate in 2007 that was set off because a former patriots assistant coach then the head coach of the jets, eric mangini

said he knew he taped signals. bill was docked and fined for spy gate but eric mangini faced a huge backlash for telling on him. going forward in this investigation and investigators try to figure out what happened here they may find more closed ranks than they expect. >> rachel stick around because i want to bring in boston globe nfl reporter ben and mike pereira, former vice president officiating for the nfl. ben, i know you have been talking to nfl sources. what are they telling you about the way these game balls were inspected before the game? >> that's right. i spoke to an nfl source today with direct knowledge of the process and he said that not only were all 12 footballs probably properly inflated and both teams brought double the footballs. 24 total because inclement

weather in foxborough the other night. so the official personally tested all 48 footballs with the pressure gauge and all 48 passed inspection so at the start of the game we know that the balls were properly inflated to at least 12.5 and at halftime they weren't. >> and mike if the officials definitely cherked the balls with an air pressure gauge, then is there any other option here other than someone from the patriots doing this? >> well i mean i think that's the question now on probably why there is such a delay here because the league has got to do so much due diligence here. i mean they have to check the climatic conditions to see if the cold weather would allow the football to lose some pressure and do situations to prove that or discount that. anderson to me this whole delay really indicates to me that the officials are off the hook and they're going further to try to figure out what happened. also it proves to me that the

league is taking this very seriously. if they were going to throw a $25,000 fine in this they would have figured out something, done it and gone away. but to me, they're looking at and to me they already must have made the decision that if they can prove this then they are going to go with the dra conian fine of maybe 500,000 again like spy gate and first round draft choice but if they do that they've got to prove everything. look at, in spy gate they had the tape and accusations of the tape during the walk tlu prior to the 2007 super bowl of the rams. it was not a tape so nothing happened there but if they are going to actually take draft choices and fine up to $500,000 then they're going to uncover everything. i think it's going to take a long amount of time for them to do that. >> and ben, in terms of the investigation, what more are you learning about the nfl is actually conducting it? >> that's the thing. you know the nfl certainly has a little bit of a credibility problem given the way they

handled the ray rice situation, but so far, the pait rots have given them full cooperation. they've interviewed approximately 40 employees and part-time employees. the patriots have given over cell phone evidence and security tape evidence to help the nfl with their investigation, full compliance from the patriots so far. we'll see how long this takes. i agree with mike. i think it's going to take a while because they really want to get the proof and want to nail this down if they're going to act on the patriots. >> and rachel very quickly, to the point mike raised on the weather as you pointed out, if the weather was the issue, it's hard to understand why it wouldn't have affected the colts balls as well. >> yeah. there's a slight possibility there's a window right, and the patriots football was at the bottom of the window and the colts was higher in the window and a pressure drop due to the weather, maybe only affects, maybe fall out the window for the patriots but that's a tough argument to buy if it got colder in the night in the second half the footballs ended up fine on

both sides and if it was true with two full psis down only one psi within regulation. the math doesn't quite work out. we don't know what happened. we don't have the proof. you can't convict without proof but some of the excuses starting to fall in. we'll have to wait and see what happens. >> rachel nichols, ben volin and mike pereira. troyache man said he has no doubt tom brady intentionally broke the rules and another star quarterback what he thinks about the remark. took his job as the patriots quarterback. his take on the allegations coming up tonight. and later, new developments in the video tape police shooting and why what the camera sees can sometimes be deceiving and deadly. >> your pockets real quick. don't have anything in here? >> no no. my smokes. >> okay.

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formal estimation 14.6 million dinner table arguments erupted over whether tom brady is a cheater or not. of course that's completely inprecise. 7.4 million on whether to believe him when he said he has nothing to do with deflating the footballs. people disagree on those two questions and namely should be

the big deal that's obviously become to so many people? fans disagree and tom brady's fellow quarterbacks. troy aikman has been critical. bled sew, new england's top quarterback until tom brady, his back-up, stepped in. a wine maker in washington state. you watched the interview. do you believe what he does? >> 100%. tommy is a man of high character. he's not going to lie. if they were actually chooeting, the easiest thing to say is we did it $25,000 fine move forward. no reason to continue on and try to, you know cover something up. i don't believe there's anything to cover up. when you look at the process, as a 14 year starting quarterback in the nfl, to grab the footballs, make sure they're okay go back in the bag, i

never once knew what the air pressure was in the balls. i knew the football felt right. that was it. end of the story. >> so i mean if they were deflated or under-inflated as a quarterback, would you have known that? if it was under-inflated would you have been able to tell that when it was in your hand? >> you know my good friend damon here actually did an experiment. he went down he works for the washington hus keys. he had them blow it up to 13 pounds. he said it felt like a rock and deflated it to 11 pounds it said it felt like every other football he felt before. normal at 11 which is a pound and a half underneath the regular psi. so what i really believe happened was these footballs that tom selected the referees grabbed them before the okay they didn't stick a needle in them to check it out and then halftime someone complained and found they were light. that's exactly simple as it is. all of the sudden now, this has gained a life of its own.

now people are going on tv accusing tom brady. i thought it was funny but it's not funny anymore. they're raking him over the colts like he's a cheater and a liar and that's absolutely not what it is. >> mark broou knell said he doesn't believe brady and troy aikman said much of the same. i want to play for our viewers a little of aikman said and then have you respond to it. >> so it's obvious that tom brady had something to do with this or the balls that have been deflated that doesn't happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen. i can assure you of that. >> i mean is it your experience that the referees actually measure the air in the balls when they check out the balls before the game? >> yeah the only experience i have with it is the high school level because i'm coaching. the balls, the referee feels them and if it feels like the right pressure they go with it. if it feels like the wrong

pressure then they have a needle and pump and they can adjust that. but my sense is and my guess is that with the nfl referees it's the same process. they grab the footballs, they say, okay feels right. i don't think they stick a needle in each one before every game. i don't think that happens. maybe it does maybe i'm wrong. but i just think that this story, anderson i think it's a nothing story that has turned into an accusation of cheating and lying and i just really don't like it. it's not okay. >> if the balls better underinflated and somebody actually did that intention littlely it would be cheating. do you think that's an important violation, do you think that's a story or just that you think brady had nothing to do with it and that's not a story? >> i think it's a. it's tom brady had nothing to do with it. the footballs he selected on saturday felt like the right weight and that was it. and i really think that's the end of the story.

and this thing is just grown to this crazy thing and has a life of its own. it's wrong and it needs to come to an end. >> i need to get your comment on bill belichick. you played for him for years. you were a patriots quarterback for years. i mean you know of his style, his reputation for being a micromanager. if someone else on the patriots staff deliberately did this could it have happened without his approval? >> i never had a head coach including bill belichick and many none paid -- that wasn't their deal. it was the quarterbacks and the punters and the kickers that worked with the equipment staff and that was it. it was not something that any head coach spent any time on. >> drew bledsoe, thank you for being on. >> anderson thanks for taking the time man. well as you can find out a lot more on this story and others on cnn.com. ahead, could you correctly size

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police shooting to make the headlines. the mayor of bridgeton, new jersey and leaders in new jersey's naacp, this evening presenting confidence that local prosecutors can handle the case saying it's not necessary to hand it over to the state attorney general. as you know two officers one white and one african-american shot a suspect during a traffic stop late last month. here's the video. >> show your hands. don't you [ bleep ] move. don't you [ bleep ] move. you're going to be [ bleep ] dead. i tell you. you reach for something, you're going to be [ bleep ] dead. i'm telling you. keep your [ bleep ] hands right

there. i ain't got a reason -- >> he's reaching. hooez reaching. no you're not. don't [ bleep ] move. don't you [ bleep ] move. >> that's only one example of what's quickly becoming a flood of new videos that doesn't always settle the arguments about whether a given shooting was justified. it does however in many cases show me a window of just how hard it can be to make the right call and how unpredictable these situations are. as you'll see in this next report it's not always easy in the moment to assess what is and what is not a threat. right up to the second when a police officer either kills or becomes a casualty. more now from randi kaye. >> reporter: tense moments at a gas station near columbia south carolina. sean groouber a highway patrol officer, just pulled over a man. watch what happens next.

>> can i see please? get out of the car! >> reporter: when the man turned around the officer fired in an instant. >> are you hit? >> i think so. i can't feel my leg. why did you shoot me? >> well you dove headfirst back into your car. >> i'm sorry. >> reporter: the victim, 35-year-old lavar jones, survived and officer grubert fired and charged with aggravated assault and battery. a police officer approaches four men in billings montana, sitting inside their car. >> hands up. all four of you, hands up. >> reporter: officer grant morrison appears to recognize one as a suspect from an earlier shooting. he tells him he's making him nervous and then this. >> hands up. hands on the [ bleep ]. get your hands up i will shoot you. hands up. hands up.

hands up. i will shoot you again. hands up. hands up. you [ bleep ] move i'm going to shoot. not [ bleep ] around. >> the man killed, it turns out, was unarmed but officer morrison said he feared for his life because the man kept dropping his left hand despite the officer's warnings to keep his hands up. the shooting was ruled justifiable homicide. in aerndsrizona this from tyler's body camera captures last moments of his life a casual conversation between an officer and a man suspected of miles. officer stewart doesn't even have his gun drawn. but watch what happens when the officer asks to frisk the man. >> open your pockets real quick. don't have anything in here? >> no no. no my smokes. >> reporter: the video ends there just as the suspect pulled a .22 caliber firing six shots

at the officer hit five times, the officer never had a chance. >> there was a series of rounds fired at the time. in his face. >> reporter: the 24-year-old officer died at the hospital. the suspect, meanwhile, used the officer's weapon to take his own life. randi kaye cnn, new york. >> join me now, legal analyst, sunny hostin former defense prosecutor and mark o'mara who defended george zimmerman most famously and nypd officer and former secret service agent, dan bongino. anytime a police officer pulls someone over do they have to initially assume the person is armed? >> always anderson. the only way to go home safely is to assume a worst case scenario every time. you have to remember there's an asymmetry here of information, anderson. the driver knows that the police officer is a police officer has a gun. the police officer knows absolutely nothing about the person in the car. assume the worst and you'll go home alive.

>> you look at that last case we just saw domestic violence case where the officer had a full conversation with the suspect for several minutes before the suspect and was a calm conversation all of the sudden the guy pulls out a gun and kills the officer. i assume that's precisely, that's a prime example of why police have to be so careful. >> it does and you're taught, ironically in those videos they were both traffic stops in a domestic situation. those are the two most dangerous scenario blgs anderson. domestic violence because of the emotions involved and a vehicle stop because there's 3,000 pound box of steel where you could secrete various weapons and items and the officer can't see them when he approaches it and that's why you see most of these videos in those two scenarios. >> mark that assumption though that anyone could be armed, anyone could be a threat at times, it's got to lead to officers making these mistakes. you look at the officer we just saw who shot the guy just

getting his license like the officer had told him to. >> it does. it's very difficult because we look at these in the cold light of day and say, here's what the officer did wrong, here's how he should have reacted differently or here's what the driver did right or wrong. we're always human beings, as we just said, in a real fear situation, they don't know what's going on and have to be trained for the worst. it's difficult for the one rule if you look at all of those cases, and i understand why the officer was charged with aggravated assault and battery without a license, but other than that in every case it could have been much better resolved if everyone had listened to the officer's demands and orders. >> sunny, what do you make of that? if the standard for justifiably use of force, the officer believes they're in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm if they believe that every

time they pull someone over, that is what makes it a tricky situation. >> that's why when you look at the statistics anderson, most often with police officer involved shootings, those are found to be justified pretty much every single time. we don't have enough i think, statistics to show really what's going on and i would agree while traffic stops are the most dangerous things that officers do they are trained professionals and i think that what we're seeing is officers making these very quick decisions which clearly they must but not necessarily trained well enough to deescalate situations. we're seeing over and over and over again unarmed men, either shot and injured or shot and killed. and something has to be done about that. >> dan, in the situation where the video we were just seeing that dash cam video where the officers did kill the passenger, didn't kill the driver he obeyed their instructions i mean a gun was found in the

glove box. the officer did know this person in the passenger seat from prior arrests and this person had been arrested as a teenager as a 13-year-old and served an amount of time for shooting the police officer or shooting at a police officer. does knowledge of past criminal record is that something that's always in an officer's mind and should it be? if someone served their sentence and done their time, should their past behavior be something that affects an officer's interaction? >> yeah but an officer is not a judge. he's not sentencing someone guilty or not guilty. he's trying to go home alive and make an arrest. put yourself in the officer's shoes. let's say you owned a deli in new york city and every person you came into the store, you could check the criminal record. that's what a police officer does when he pulls over a car. if you knew a person coming in the store had a bulge in his waistband and a criminal history

of possession of a weapon when you think about it that way, you can see why police officers react differently with a history of crime in the person they pull over. >> it's interesting, mark there's so much talk about the need for police dash cams or body cams and yet, in the case in new jersey in the garner case the incidents were caught on camera the footage doesn't necessarily exactly tell you what happens. it gives you some facts but doesn't capture everything. >> the nice thing about a video, it's one more piece of evidence in a very confounding situation that we're trying to understand. and even though it may not show everything and i agree, in the garner case it seemed to show things that the grand jury didn't focus on but having said that i like the idea of having body cameras. we've been arguing for it for years and dash cam, it's evidence and forensic evidence. quite honestly not open to interpretation as much. what's left if we don't have that type of evidence is memory

belief and their interpretation of it. so it's a great tool for law enforcement, it's a great tool for defense attorneys. >> mark o'mara appreciate it. sunny hostin dan bongino, thank you very much. coming up next on the program -- the disneyland measles outbreak is spreading. the vaccination debate. why some parents refuse to give their children the shots, ahead. and also ahead, the irs took all the money from this restaurant owner, every dime did not charge with a crime and that was totally legal. a cnn investigation coming up. welcome back to showdown! i'm jerry rice here discussing the upcoming big race between the tortoise and the hare. jerry, the hare always brags about his speed. fine, but he crossed the line when he told... hey, turtle neck. want a head start, how about a week. yeah, my performance does the talking, ok. jerry, thanks for having me, i have film to study. hey, how about you rice cake wanna race? you don't want none of this. vote on twitter for your chance to win a mercedes-benz big race viewing party.

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about a recent measles outbreak that started in of all places disneyland and spreading with more than 55 cases of measles in seven states and mexico. 15 years ago, the cdc declared measles eliminated in this country but it's back. look at this chart. the numbers. the cdc said more than 600 cases of measles reported last year. that's a record high. it's grown so much because their parents refuse to vaccinate their children. elizabeth cohen reports. >> parents need to know what is

being injected into their child? >> reporter: call it the jenny effect. >> without a doubt in my mind i believe vaccinations triggered evan's autism. >> reporter: almost a decade ago, actress jenny mccarthy became the spokeswoman for the anti-vaccination movement a movement that's only grown stronger. finding support among liberal well educated communities despite science showing over and over there's no link between autism and vaccines. in california for example, a study out this week shows low rates of vaccination in san francisco and marin county both wealthy areas. and affluent areas, rival south sudan's. >> when parents choose not to vaccinate vaccinate, other parents around them may have similar ideas and so what you get are pockets, groups of people who think the same and so you now have a cluster of children who are

susceptible. all kind of living playing together going to similar schools, houses of worship and the like. if that bad germ gets into that group, all of the sudden whoosh you'll have an epidemic. >> reporter: why don't parents believe the scientists? some convinced the government is working with the pharmaceutical industry and just want to sell vaccines. >> i am more willing to take the chance of her getting one of these, you know, rare viruss or diseases than give her these side effects of vaccines which a lot of the times is autism. >> reporter: >> i don't see there's ever a time to inject a heavy metal into the body of a 6 pound and up child in order to help save their life through a vaccine. no poison is safe. no poison can be given to a child and it's okay. >> reporter: the supposed link between autism and vaccines was

championed by british scientist andrew wakefield but paper was redakted. >> the findings we made replicated in five countries around the world. >> that's not true. you've been offered the chance to replicate your study and you've never taken anybody up on that. you have had plenty of opportunity. >> excuse me. a falsehood. i am telling you that this work has been replicated in five countries around the world. >> reporter: that was not true but even so many parents still believe wakefield was right. still believe the government is lying to americans and still refused to vaccinate their children no matter what. elizabeth cohen, cnn reporting. >> let's dig deeper. our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta with art kaplan director of lan goe and medical center in new york city. you believe the parents who don't have their kids vaccinated they are being unethical. explain that. >> i think they're really being

unethical, anderson, because they're putting people at risk who can't protect themselves. if you're less than 6 months of age, a newborn, you don't build immunity to vaccines you can get measles, you can get the flu, you can get whooping cough. these things can kill a newborn baby. similarly, if you have an immune disease, if you're getting cancer treatment, transplant recipient, you get infected by one of these things it can kill you. so you get vaccinated because it's a neighborly thing to do as much as it is a self-protection thing to do. it's the right thing to do as a good citizen, as a good member of our community. i think we spend too much time saying why should you get vaccinated the real moral point is why should we get vaccinated? >> sanjay babies are vaccinated between six months and a year old. our youngest kids obviously the most vulnerable what happens to a baby that young that gets the measles? because a lot of moms we saw in that video, they're putting, you

know air quotes up around and seem to doubt that it's serious. >> it's a serious infection. there's no question. as art was saying it can cause a significant lung damage. these babies can end up in intensive care units. sometimes requiring breathing machines machines it can cause problems with the brain. there's an association with different brain abnormalties deafness things that can be lifelong if you develop measles as a young child and another thing art said, this idea of herd immunity. you sort of, if enough people as they say with measles, 90% of people are vaccinated it does provide protection against young babies who have not yet received their vaccines or people who can't receive the vaccine because they may be allergic to the vaccine for some reason. it's individual as well as a public health sort of component to this anderson. >> and art, i mean, despite no sound medical evidence to

support them there are still some in the medical community, doctors even that are part of the anti-vaccination movement right? >> well i think it's sad and i think that they ought to check their own ethics out because you are basically promoting non-science. i hate to put it this way, anderson but there's a little bit of an analogy to climate conceptics deniers and holocaust denies. people can disbelieve anything, but the pediatrics society, cdc, any international association, w ww.h.o., everybody comes out on the view that mainstream vaccines are crucial to health. they don't have side effects that would make anybody discouraged from getting them. in other words, the bulk of the community says hey, this really works and to have you, you know, follow the rumors of the internet or listen to a celebrity when your kid's health is on the line i think that is

sad and to have somebody back that advice up who's a doctor or pediatrician i think is worse. >> sanjay what do you say to parents who point to rising rates of autism and no clear answers on it? >> i think the rates of autism do seem to be rising. it could be in part because we more broadly define autism better at detecting at more awareness, but even into account, autism is probably rising we don't know for sure why that is. it could be children may be predisposed to it genetically, something in the environment triggers it. we don't know what it is but we know what it is not and i think that's one of the important points. vaccines do not cause autism and i know there's been a lot of back and forth on this. i've been reporting on this issue for 13 years. it's remarkable how emotional this topic gets but there have been plenty of studies now to look at this and people say, well, my child got these vaccines at this time and then shortly thereafter started

developing the symptoms of autism. it's heartbreaking to hear those stories but as they say, correlation does not equal causation. i have three children. i got them vaccinated on schedule. i looked at the data made that decision and i think other parents should as well. >> sanjay, appreciate it. art kaplan as well. restaurant seizes all of the money and never charges the owner with a crime. wait until you find out what happened after gary tuchman reached out to the irs.

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over the past couple of nights we showed you how state and local authorities can take money from you with road side traffic stops. the goal police say, is to seize cash linked to crimes but sometimes money is taken and no crimes charged. how the federal government can do the exact same thing. take your money and having to prove your money was innocent not gotten through ill-gotten gains. gary tuchman has the investigation. >> reporter: when business was hopping, the business of this mexican restaurant was rather long people clamming to get in and carroll in her element. why do you love this restaurant so much? >> because it was mine and i got to make the decisions, choose the food make the food. it's what i wanted to do.

>> reporter: mrs. lady's did not take local -- just local checks and cash but in spring of 2013 two irs agents showed up at her front door. >> i looked at their badges. they came in and proceeded to tell me that they were here to let me know they had confiscated all my money for my business bank account and closed it. >> reporter: how much money? >> approximately $33,000. >> reporter: that's right. the irs took all of her money. every dime. but didn't charge her with a crime. the government claimed because carol routinely deposited under $10,000, it was suspicious. claimed to structure her deposits to avoid the requirement that deposits over $10,000 would trigger. there's a fancy term. civil asset forfeiture. in the world of civil

forfeiture. the government does not need you to be convicted of a crime before seizing your money. you don't even need to be charged with a crime. you're not innocent until proven guilty you're guilty until proven innocent. and to this day, carol hinders has been charged with nothing. idea behind civil asset forfeiture began in the drug wars of early '80s. seize the cash and property by bad guys and the criminal networks would suffer greatly. federal and state authorities are allowed to use seized cash for themselves to make legitimate purchases and expenditures for their offices. >> it violates the due process rights for americans. it's just wrong. there's a simple premise the government should not be taking money who have not been charged, let alone convicted of any crime. >> reporter: larry salzman works and representing carol hinders free of charge. why are they picking on carol in. >>| she's easy. most people like carol can't

defend themselves. the government takes $33,000 from you, it will cost most people more money to get that back than what they've taken, so people just give up. >> reporter: the irs wouldn't talk on camera to cnn, but did issue a statement to us. seeming to indicate it was backing off on at least some cases like carol hinders. we recognize often make deposits under $10,000 without any intent to avoid the reporting requirements the statement said. and it added, after conducting a review of the structuring cases, the irs will focus limited resources on cases where evidence indicate structured funds from derived from illegal sources. the department of justice is overall charge of the program and officials wouldn't talk on camera there either but said the program was vital and full of safeguards to protect those accused so what happened next? only hours after we finished our interview with carol hinders, the government withdrew its complaint but reserved the right

to file it again down the road and looked like at least partly, the authorities trying to save face. >> i don't feel it's a favor but it's a victim ri.victory. i think we go on the civil foriture thing and don't let it drop. >> reporter: it's sold to a new owner. her americans fond at least until the last months it was open when she was tormented by an agency that never charged her with a crime. >> gary tuchman joins us now. did anyone apologize to her? why is this allowed in the first place? >> no one apologized to her. here's how authorities get around innocent until proven guilty. if your money gets taken away via forfeiture you're not the one that gets sued. it's the money that gets sued and your money does not have presumption of innocence. this is not the united states versus carol hinders, it's the

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caught on tape. the british coast guard rescued crew members from a fishing bolt as it was sinking off the coast of scotland. anderson? >> amazing video of that. amara, thank you very much. the hunt with john walsh starts now. back in 1981, i had the