santorum mike huckabee maybe others. odds are like the donald. >> she just likes the attention and won't run. while top republican operatives were laughing at trump's latest flirtation of running, the possibility of a palin entry had them both laughing and debating her potential impact. we'll keep an eye on that. that's it for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. we'll see you soon. "state of the union" starts right now. isis strikes again amid a new round of upheaval in the middle east and president obama takes the world station. i'm michael smerconish and this is "state of the union." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning from washington. we're following breaking news overseas. isis issuing a new ultimatum after beheading one of two japanese nationals it held captive. joining me is white house chief of staff dennis mcdonagh.

first i want to go to cnn's will ripley in tokyo. will who is the terrorist that they want released? >> reporter: sajda al-rishawi who failed to detonate her bomb in a 2005 attack on a series of hotels in jordan that killed about 60 people. she's a very high value prisoner for the jordanian government. so here in tokyo while prime minister abe is saying they are in discussions with the jordanian government he had a phone call with the king of jordan he stopped short of saying whether there are any serious discussions about the release of a convicted terrorist for a single japanese journalist kenji goto. goto's mother recognized the voice and says she's fearful for her son's life. she can see in his face that he knows there could be some very, very difficult and devastating things to come if isis's demands aren't met. >> will ripley thank you. dennis mcdonagh, thank you for

being here. you're pulling the full ginsburg. >> thank for having me. >> you know our policy on that we don't negotiate or make exchanges or pay ransoms. we think that results in just more cash floating around with these very hateful characters who will just have more ability to apply their trade. >> should family members be permitted to entertain their own negotiations with hostage takers? >> i just want to be clear here that we're in very close touch with the families. they understand the strength of the president's feeling on this. obviously the president understands the strength of their devastation as some of this has transpired over the course of the last several months. so we'll continue to remain in close coordination with and consultation with the families. >> there have been some criticisms made by family members who say they were held back by the administration by participating in negotiations. that's why i ask the question. >> i'm very familiar with the

criticisms. i want to be very clear that i'm neither going to divulge our conversations with them or get into negotiation with anybody else through you on this show. we're going to continue to work very closely with these families because this is an issue of grave concern for us. >> as you know i like to say my day job is that i answer phones for a living. i entertain telephone callers across the country on sirius xm day to day. i want to convey to you that i'm hearing a sense of exasperation from callers. they open up newspapers and watch televisions every day and they see a new hot spot and they wonder have we reached a tipping point where no u.s. policy is going to be capable of maintaining order worldwide? what would you say to them? >> i would say a couple different things. one is what we're seeing obviously with the democratization of media the ability for even the most nefarious actors in the world to reach out through very social media outlets, get their story in front of us, that exacerbates their ability to terrorize us. i recognize that. second the resolution of all

these situations michael, is going to be dependent on those people on the ground muslims in many cases, arabs in other cases taking the steps that they need to resolve the situations on the ground. we cannot be an occupying force in a place like yemen or syria and hope that we will be responsible for bringing this as you say, chaos to an end. we have to train them the security force, we had to oppress their political leaders to come up with political resolutions on the ground. the third thing we'll do where there is a threat we had this conversation going back to 2007 we will take action to protect the american people. this president has done that. he'll continue to do that. >> earlier today prime minister benjamin netanyahu, i think i have the quote that we can put on the screen i'll go anywhere i'm invited in order to enunciate the state of israel's position and in order to defend its future and its existence. who does the white house blame more boehner for extending the invite or bebe for accepting it?

>> white house doesn't get into blame games on these things. let's take a step back. this should be and ought to be above partisan politics. this is a relationship given its importance that stretches across many different things, from values straight through intelligence could often perfect rags -- cooperation and defense. that's what we'll be focused on. that's why we think we ought not get involved in their politics. that's why the president doesn't think it makes any sense to meet with the prime minister two weeks before his election. >> did the president invite this action by congress through his executive actions. veto ability. >> you know i want to not pretend that i could somehow explain any motive for anybody else but the white house. let me tell you the things we've done on iran and why the president things congress acting now will undercut that.

we've isolated the iranians over the course of six years. we now have robust international multi-lateral sanctions in place and we have very aggressive bilateral sanctions in place. that's leading to iran being isolated its economy being in tatters. they can export oil at near record lows. we're going to continue to do that. we can maintain that international unity by pressing through these last several months of negotiations. congress should just give us the time to let those negotiations play out. it doesn't make any sense for them to prematurely act on legislation that the president will veto if it's going to risk maintaining this international unity. copying should let us finish this job. >> does the passing of king abdullah mean the administration will release the 28 pages pertaining to the saudis in 2011. >> this is an issue you've been

working on for some time. this goes back across administrations. the president will be visiting riyadh to express our condolences and to underscore the important issues that we have going on in the region. i'm not going to get involved in the 28 pages, michael, now than i did before. >> i got a feeling from the state of the union that it was a victory lap. the metrics are all on our side whether it's unemployment whether it's gas prices whether it's the dow, the did he have silt. but there's a funk in the country and i want to convince people, especially those in the middle class, that it's okay to start being more optimistic about the economy. is that what he was really trying to do? >> well the president did tick through several things that we've made progress on. unemployment from 10 down to 5.6%. 10 million people now with access to health care. health care costs at the lowest level in more than 50 years, now for four years in a row. more energy production be that clean energy oil and gas in this country than ever before.

there is good data. the other thing the president said is there's a big unfinished piece of business and you put your finger on it. >> middle class families like the ones you grew up in doylestown, the ones i grew up with in minnesota have not seen the kind of wage growth that they deserve. wangs have been stagnant now for three decades so the president laid out a plan the other night that said let's make sure that the wealthiest few give back a little bit that we invest in things like child care like training like community college and make sure that we're making -- we're going to keep the good jobs that we have here and bring more of them back home. that's what the president is going to do. he won't trim his sails on that. the middle class deserves a shot. the crisis having been passed. now we have to get at the one remaining issue, which is how does the middle class get the fair shot that they deserve. >> final question. you may have grown up in minnesota but your folks are from boston. have the mcdonaghs soured on the

pats? >> my dad was a big pats fan going back and long long time. i have a lot of stuff on my plate. i'm a vikings fan. >> have you talked to the president about it? >> i haven't talked to him -- he's a big sports guy. he's been on the road as you know in india. >> a lot on his plate. when we come back strained relations with israel. why does america's closest middle east ally seem more like a frenemy. later, what's making "american sniper" strike a chord with u.s. movie goers? but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.

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benjamin netanyahu appear to have hit a new low. it's going to make the fight against terror a tougher challenge. here congressman adam schiff and john huntsman former governor u.s. ambassador and republican presidential candidate. governor let me start with you. you're a civility guy. >> i'm a results guy. problem solver. >> no problem with that. so, too, is congressman schiff. >> yes, he is. >> prime minister netanyahu, did i say to myself did partisanship just jump into the realm of foreign policy? >> it's unfortunate. first of all the prime minister has a very important message to bring to the american people. nothing is more important than this. he's beloved in dock. he -- in congress. the way the invitation took is bad precedent. it's bad state craft. it's bad politics. i think it's going to put a real

damper on what traditionally is the head of state to head of state relationship. that governs foreign policy and it will for some time. that has been forgotten in all of this. >> congressman should those who impose the way it's handled who are in congress, perhaps yourself yourself nevertheless attend that address when it takes place in march? >> yes, we should but i agree completely with the governor. i think this was a terrible mistake by the speaker. it used to be at least the goal that politics entered at the water's edge. now it only begins there. i think for us to extend an invitation two weeks before the israeli election gives israelis the impression we're trying to medal in their politics and i also find it extraordinary that a world leader would be invited before the congress effectively to lobby in favor of a bill that the president opposes. i think it's harmful to the u.s./israel relationship. i think it was an ill-considered decision by the speaker. >> what kind of precedent has

been set here? >> i can't remember historically where this has ever happened before so i can't point to you where this has happened. i think the implications are fairly profound. i think it's going to impact the head of state to head of state dynamic in a relationship that is important. we have an important and special relationship. we have regional matters to take care of. we have a free trade agreement. we're close people to people. the iron dome cooperation has been very good. there's a lot to champion in the relationship. i have to think that this is not representative of a good trend between the two of us. >> congressman, as a part of your participation in the committee, yemen. this is ground zero for the terrorist activity. what is it about yemen? what was it about afghanistan? i ask that question so that we can anticipate what will become the next breeding ground for al qaeda and isil. >> well afghanistan is a very

good abject lesson for us. many people are urging us to move in a more full throated way into yemen. we've seen after a massive occupation a very long occupation of afghanistan that a large american troop presence on the ground is not necessarily the answer. i think there is a natural and understandable resistance to jumping too hard too fast and for that reason i think a lot of the criticism of the president is wrong headed. at the same time there is a very real risk here if the houthis try to run this country that you could see a dynamic take place much like we saw in iraq where if the sunni tribes in yemen feel that they're being ruled by a shia clan with the support of iran they're going to be thrown into the arms of aqap. this will be an opportunity undoubtedly for al qaeda to exploit and so there are certainly some lessons to be considered in afghanistan, but there are also some very -- very vibrant warning signs about the

course of action in iraq recently that we need to pay attention to in yemen. >> you need a scorecard, gentlemen, to keep track of what's going on in the middle east. iran is an enemy in many respects yet joining us in a battle against isis yet supporting the houthis in yemen. what i often hear from people is they say there's nothing we can do about it. we ought to stay the heck out of it. there's an isolationist trend, i think, in the country, governor. you would say what to those folks? >> i would say that's a very bad trend. there is a role for the united states because good governments don't exist right now in the region. so what gives rise to a lot of the bad behavior and a lot of the trans national problems we're experiencing? it's illegitimate regimes. whether it's libya, whether it's syria, whether it's iraq whether it's yemen, saudi arabia has a transition with a new leader. things are not looking so well for us. where does the world look for the leadership and capacity building that can work and lead towards legitimate governments?

i'm not sure there are too many other places other than the united states. theres a role for us to play not only on the security side. i'm not talking about more troops into the old places where we've been in the past, but we do need to secure the environments such that our interests are protected and we do have to work with the local regimes in building capacity towards legitimate good transparent governments. that's the problem today. that's leading to ungoverned territories where you see a lot of the bad behair i don't remember take place. >> congressman schiff as you know the president is cutting short his visit to india so he can pay respects in saudi arabia arabia. i get the impression that is more than i happen to be in the neighborhood. speak to the relationship with the saudis and its importance. >> it's a key relationship. i think it's a very good call. saudi arabia is in a transition for new leadership. happily it looks like the new leadership will carry on the many policies close relationships with the united

states that we would like to see. that's very positive. the crown principles is western educated very strong in counter terrorism efforts. i think there will be a continuity in the relationship that's important when saudi arabia is in enormous strain with iran repeated reaching greater influence in places like yemen, places like damascus and iraq as well. saudi arabia feels very beleaguered. it's an extraordinarily important relationship with the united states. these personal matters, like the president's trip really have an impact. so this is an important relationship and one last point i would make on that is saudi arabia is going to be critical in not only cutting off some of the financing to groups like isil but also in attacking the idea logical struggle going on condemning the perversion of islam that we see in isil. saudi arabia is one of the leading authorities in terms of

islam as well as the sunni leadership in the region and so they're going to play a vital role. >> finally i'd be derelict in my duty if i didn't ask. mitt 3.0. can that dog hunt? >> we'll see. the technology has not jet been zbleld well said. thank you, gentlemen. appreciate you being here. his bid for the 2012 presidential nomination failed. next i'll ask former senator rick santorum why he thinks he can win in 2016. and later on this 50th anniversary of winston churchill's death, his grandson reflects on what made the british prime minister a giant among world leaders. [ female announcer ] take skincare to the next level with roc® multi correxion® 5 in 1. proven to hydrate dryness illuminate dullness lift sagging diminish the look of dark spots and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. fiber one streusel.

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many of the republican party's 2016 presidential hopefuls are in iowa this weekend courting the conservative faithful. one of them former pennsylvania senator rick santorum joins me now from sioux city. great to have you here senator. >> thank you, michael. good to be with you. >> you know in 2012 you won 11 states including iowa. if mitt is not in this thing, it would seem that by rights you're the front-runner and yet you don't appear to be treated that way. why is that the case? >> why don't you ask the reporters. i don't really care whether i'm treated like the front-runner or not. we're out working to deliver a message like we did yesterday in des moines that for us to be successful as a country the republican party needs to step forward and be a unifying party in america, has to be a party not just is pro growth but pro

worker to help those struggling and hurting and systematically doing so in america. fehr whatever it doesn't really matter. if you have a good message and you have a background and experience to back it up things will work it out if we decide to get into this race. >> the message that you're best known for is usually a message on social issues. it seems that this cycle is going to be a cycle determined largely by foreign policy matters and also by economic issues. make the case that rick santorum is prepared on both of those. >> well really there isn't anybody else who's looking at it that has any kind of significant national security significance as you know michael. you've covered me and we've talked often about national security because i was eight years on the armed services committee where i was a subcommittee chairman for all eight years. worked in a very strong bipartisan level. never, in fact had an amendment to any part of a bill that i

brought to the floor that was ever amended without bipartisan support from my ranking members. so we always did it in a way that was politics and i think that's very helpful. secondly i authored two major pieces of national security legislation, foreign policy legislation. interestingly enough, one on syria, a rather important place. again, a bill that was offered and opposed by president bush when i offered it. he vehemently opposed it. within three years he signed it. came around to the position that i had taken. the next one was iran. this in particular was on the iranian nuclear program. again, president bush imposed it in fact fought me on the floor of the senate. joe biden and condy rice fought me on it. she sent a letter opposing the sanctions and within six months they both flipped their opinions and it passed unanimously in the united states senate. so if you want to look at leadership leadership that fought both parties, that had a

good shall prescient view of what was going on and had people coming around, i think we have a pretty good track record on that. >> senator, you were joined yesterday at congressman king's event and were joined by a lot of others. someone who was not there is former florida governor jeb bush. he said something friday night in san francisco. i'd like to show it i know you'll be able to hear it, and enthis you can respond to this. roll the tape. >> immigrants are an engine of economic vitality. we need to find a path to legalized status for those who have come here and languished in the shadows. there's no way that they're going to be deported. no one's suggesting an organized effort to do that. >> is he right, senator, that immigration is the engine of economic vitality? >> i would say in fact i talked about this extensively yesterday, immigration can be if immigration is done the right

way. there's a -- barbara jordan who you know very well chaired the last immigration panel that was put together to try to find a bipartisan solution to immigration reform back in the '90s, and she made the comment, which is absolutely true that immigration policy in america has to put america and american workers first. and so, yes, there are -- there is -- are changes to our immigration laws that need to be made that focus the immigration policies on where we need certain skills or certain people to come to this country to help ginn up and encourage our economy, but unfortunately the kurnt legal immigration system is not that. we bring a little over a million people a year into this country over the past 20 years. the overwhelming majority are folks who are lower skilled or unskilled and as a result of that they are filling up a labor pool where as you know michael, there's not a booming growth of unskilled labor jobs in this

country and we're bringing people in who will compete against a lot of american workers. in fact since 2000 the number of american -- native born americans in the workplace has gone down. there are fewer americans working today who were born in america than there were 15 years ago. all of the net new jobs created are going to people who were not born here because they're willing to work for lower wages. >> what i've always said is that the same type of individual who will risk it all to come to the united states, even illegally, has those same traits and characteristics that make him or her an entrepreneur. react quickly to that because i want to move on to something else. >> well i would say, again, if you look at the skill levels of the people who are coming and the jobs that they are taking they're not necessarily -- they aren't entrepreneurial jobs. they may end up the next generation et cetera. i would suggest the reason you're seeing median income dropping and wages stagnating

because we have record levels of illegal immigration. i'm not saying shut it down. the last time we had this surge in immigration was the great wave between 1880 and 1920. after that great wave there were two bills passed 1921 1924. they both passed almost unanimously in the house andersen nate. why? they put politics aside and did the best for the american voter. they voted 98-1 that climate change is not a hoax. if rick santorum were still in the senate would you have supported that? >> is the climate warming sfwh ingwarming? clearly over the past 15 or 20 years the question is yes. the question is is man having a significant impact on that number one? number two, this is even more important than the first, is there anything we can do about it? the answer is, is there anything the united states can do? clearly no. even the folks who accept all of the science by the alarmists on the other side, recognize that everything that's being

considered by the united states will have -- not almost will have zero impact on it given what's going on in the rest of the world. >> is your answer do nothing? >> well the answer is do something. if it has no impact of course do nothing. why would you do something and -- with the -- with people admitting that even if you do something, it won't make a difference? >> senator, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> chris christie was among the other potential 2016 candidates who addressed the iowa freedom summit. how the new jersey governor fared with this uber conservative audience next. >> thank you. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil.

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it's great to be back in the great state of iowa. >> i've heard a lot of stuff before i came out here to the summit and i've heard -- i -- don't they know i am from new jersey? >> god bless the great state of iowa! >> i always feel so welcome when i come to iowa. >> like hillary clinton, i, too, have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles, but unlike her, i've actually accomplished something. >> back to iowa where believe it or not the sweater vest was born. >> is hillary a new democrat or an old one? >> i am seriously thinking of running for president. >> those are some of the 2016 gop presidential hopefuls who spoke at saturday's iowa freedom summit. the gathering was also notable for who was not there, jeb bush and mitt romney no shows. but cnn's peter hamby is on hand and joins us from des moines.

i, too, like the donald am seriously considered running. >> shocking. >> does anybody believe him when he says it? >> reporter: no. he's not running for president. this is the third or fourth time where donald trump has floated his name for president. he's always good at getting media attention wherever he goes. reporters that write that he is serious are contributing to the problem and encouraging him. sarah palin has said similar things. she is interested in running. the back story is she went into the marriott des moines bar the other night and a bunch of reporters asked her if she was interested she said sure, why not. she wants people to know that she is interested in being interested so people write stories about how she's interested. neither of these folks are going to run for president. there are two kinds of candidates at the event tomorrow there are people who are serious about this who are hiring staff, raising money and laying groundwork in iowa and there are people who are there for the free media attention. >> how much of a pivot to the right did chris christie make? that's the real substantive

question i wanted to ask. >> reporter: yeah for reporters, that was kind of the most interesting angle of this event because, as you mentioned of those establishment candidates jeb bush and mitt romney were not here. christie he came out here and kissed steve king's ring and made a play for the conservative race. >> when he goes to conservative events like cpac he's gone to iowa almost a dozen times he talked about how yes, he has differences with republicans. you're never going to find someone who agrees with you 100% of the time but he did stress his pro life credentials. he talked about how no one ever thought a governor who was apposed to abortion rights would get elected in new jersey. look, i won. i won 51% of the hispanic vote and african-american vote. i can win. one other thing that was interesting, a dreamer, protester stood up and interrupted him during his

speech. useful foil for this crowd because, you know he did his whole schtick where he interrupted them. don't you know i'm from new jersey? the crowd ate it up. he got a good reception, the best you could hope for. it was a good introduction for him on that side of the republican party out here michael. >> what kind of a message was jeb bush sending? what kind of a message was mitt romney sending by not being there? are they saying we're not going to compete in iowa? >> i think jeb bush is sending two messages. one is that his politics on immigration reform specifically don't gel one bit with steve king's and many of the republicans who spoke yesterday and many of the people that i talk to in the audience and, secondly he wants to lower expectations in iowa. no one wants to show too much leg too early and become the front-runner because if you're the front-runner, you're probably going to lose if you're a front-runner this early. so they are interested in iowa. jeb bush's people are.

they want to take it slow and steady. romney's case is a little bit different because he's only been kind of in the race so to speak, for a few weeks now. so he's you know, still in the space where he's trying to figure out if he's actually going to run. he's hired a few people to help on a volunteer basis. but he's still figuring it out. romney sort of confronts a little bit of the same problem. he probably has a little bit more goodwill with the republican base both iowa and elsewhere than jeb bush does because he's been the nominee, the standard bearer for the party. he still has to figure out if he's actually going to run. >> when i watched yesterday i thought to myself this is an illustration of where it went wrong, in my opinion, for the gop last time because if you go in there and you placate that crowd and you hit them with all the applause lines, you're dealing yourself a death nell in a general election if you win the nomination. just my two cents. peter hamby, thank you for your report. we appreciate it. >> reporter: thanks michael. when we come back "american

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over 160. do you ever think you might have seen things or done things over there that you wish you hadn't? >> that's not me. >> what's not you? >> i was protecting my guys. they were trying to kill our soldiers. i'm willing to meet my creator and ask for every shot that i

took. the thing that haunts me are all the guys that i couldn't save. >> clint eastwood's "american sniper" shattering the box office and becoming a cultural phenomenon. it's fueling a debate about the legacy of the iraq war and the troops who fought there. with me now is republican congressman kings singer. we thank you for your service. congressman kinsinger, what is it about this movie? this is making more of an impact than the hurt locker? >> it's the most realistic movie i've seen in terms of bringing me back to iraq for instance. i saw it and i just -- you know what really drew me into this movie is how you see chris is very drawn to go back, that like i have to go -- there's more i have to do. there's more i need to do. i've always felt that. there's not a day that goes by now where i don't think about it. you miss the brotherhood of it.

you think about all the things you could have done. and it was just -- it was fantastic. just quickly, i remember meeting with a veteran myself a few years ago. he said -- i said what's going through your mind? he goes i just want to go back. he had been injured, had two purple hearts. i left my brothers and sisters there. i want to go back. it was the most realistic at just capturing that essence of what the iraq war felt like. i think it was great. >> congressman guyego the reason why it resonated with me is because it sparked a conversation with not only war, 40 50% of this movie is about family dynamics, ptsd. you've been saying the country needs that kind of conversation to talk about the social amitriptylinesocial familial dynamics. >> one of the most important things to remember is that when we go to war, we are actually bringing our families with us. sometimes in some dynamics it's more difficult for our family members when we're at war than the actual soldier or marine in combat. we have full 100% knowledge.

i heard some horror stories from my mom and my wife when we took some casual at this time in my platoon that didn't know if i was dead or alive for a couple of hours. the amount of trauma. the reintegration. i had problems when i got back and there are a lot of other marines that had problems coming back. it's a good conversation we have to have about everything we can do for the men and women who sacrifice months and years have an opportunity to accomplish the american dream like anybody else. >> congressman kinsinger, this sparks a conversation about the role of snipers. how do nonsnipers in the military regard their brethren who are snipers? how do they view that role? >> they're amazing. chris christopher horton was killed and i've worn his name. people who say snipers who are cowards, they're hiding behind here's one that wasn't. they're brave men and women that have done a lot of hard work.

they're the overlords. they're the folks protecting us. they're the folks protecting the guys on the ground from threats they don't see. it's essential. for anybody that would attack a man or a woman in the military for the job they do. you see it in the movie where chris has to do some things and he's not celebrating them. it obviously bothers him and it really gets to him, but he knows that he has to do that to save the lives of his brothers and sisters. >> you're making reference to michael moore who sent an e-mail to "state of the union" to be fair to him in part the e-mail said i said nothing of the film and certainly nothing about chris kyle in the message that i sent out. he also says this there are only two movies about the iraq war that have grossed over 100 million, mine and clint's. that would be an interesting discussion to have. congressman, do you want to add anything to the discussion about snipers? >> yes. snipers are a totally different brood breed of man. i got to serve with a rot of snipers and we lost a lot of them. they're just warriors. they're great warriors.

they're a totally different breed of military person. i think people that are in the infamiliar try will understand. they're awesome. they're great to have. they're entirely different from the door kickers like myself and a bunch of other guys, but they're great to have something in combat. >> can i say something to michael moore? your movie is in no comparison to "american sniper." this talks about american heroism and heroes. we know his tweet was referring to this movie even if he says i didn't have the name in there, maybe it was randomly something else. we're not that stupid. >> can i share with you, first of all, i want to say this. chris kyle is a patriot. i think chris kyle is a hero. i want to be clearly understood. something that troubles me about this story is the need for embellishment. i don't know why, whether it's jessica lynch, whether it's the tillman story and i can rattle off others where there's an underlying story of american

heroism. something gets blown out of proportion. in this guy's case was he on the roof of the superdome i can ping off looters? apparently not. did he kill people who stole his pickup truck? jesse ventura aspect. why do we feel the need to make the story bigger? >> i'm not sure. and those details i don't know. i know that this seems to be a very accurate depiction of it. this is great because america has been you know sports figures are our heroes now or singers or whatever. we need true americans that are willing -- and it's not even the fact of war, it's somebody that's willing to fight for and live for something beyond their own personal life. the youth of america need examples like this even if you don't go into the military it's the idea that life is about something bigger than you. that's why i think this story resonates. >> congressman, it doesn't hurt to have bradley cooper in the lead role right, as congressman says? we we need more heroes like

this. >> i would like to have bradley cooper, tall skinny good looking. kyle was a human being. >> right. >> and we are all human beings. we as combat vaerns we go and do some amazing stuff. at the end of the day we're still human beings. we get affected by the war. at the end of the day, that's what we have to remember. war is a truly traumatizing thing to a young man or a young woman. no matter what we do, no matter what movie or book we write, it's always going to show that. there's no way to deny that. >> maybe he has the answer to my question which is take a long, hard look at any one of us. there's going to be some stuff. >> it's almost in some i don't know the details. look all i know is an amazing hero somebody we ought to really look up to great american. >> and a terrific story. thank both of you. i appreciate your service, both of you. thank you so much for being

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this weekend marks the 50th anniversary of the passing of a man regarded by many as the

person of the 20th century. british prime minister winston churchill. sir nicholas somes is churchill's grandson and has been a conservative member of the parliament for 30 years. earlier i spoke with him about his front row seat to history. sir nicholas thank you so much for joining us. >> hello, michael. >> we all know of his impeccable record as british prime minister. how was he as a grandfather? >> well, he was very affection affectionate affectionate. he was charming. he loved us being around the place as long as we didn't whistle, which he hated, and as long as we didn't interfere with his writing. apart from that we had a free run of the place. of course he built a paradise a kind of garden of eden. it was the most wonderful thing to play there in all those

streams and rivers and pools and all the great walls he built and to be with him, but just ags a very affectionate grandfather. >> you were in your mid teens when your grandfather, winston church hill passed. did you as a young lad recognize his stature, his place in history? >> well i don't think i did, really. i grew up at chartwell from a very young age, the age of scratch. i went away to school when i was nine. so i saw him all the time. i him every day he was at chartwell. to me he was just a very loving grandfather. i don't think i -- it ever occurred to me he was anything more than that. although i have to say i went to my youngest brother's christening with my grandfather and i remember being amazed. there was thousands of thousands and people there that were cheering him and i wasn't quite sure why.

>> your mother, barrones soames had a front row seat to 20th century history. unfortunately she passed. what memories from her that she personally witnessed? >> i think my mother was the youngest of my grandparents' children. she grew up at chartwell with my grandparents elder siblings and all as it were had left. she was probably closest to them of all. she accompanied my grandfather on many of his trips abroad. she was in the army during the war. she joined up when she was 18 years old and served in the anti-aircraft part of the gunners. and she was regularly accompanied by grandfather. so she met eisenhower, roosevelt, stayed at the white house with the of course velts, truman all these great figures, great icons of the earlier days

were familiar territory to her. she was a very intelligence and clever woman in her own right. she wrote very clearly about this. >> there was an unprecedented out pouring by the british people and the next several days culminating with his burial. i think it's safe to say, sir nicholas there was never anything like it prior and there hasn't been anything like it since. >> i don't think there really has. it was the passing of a man -- i marched in the funeral procession behind the gun carriage. and i remember seeing the faces of thousands and thousands of people literally stricken with grief. he was a person who had grown up who they had grown up with who had been at their side during the way, which was only recent for people there.- i think it was a very somber

dignified, and rather harrowing affair actually. >> he played such a role in crafting his own legacy. i think, for example, the fact he wrote a six-volume series entitled "the second world war." fifth fifty years on would he be satisfied with his legacy? >> i think so. he wasn't a vein man. i think he would be proud people remembered him the way they do. in your company he's cherished. here we have to keep alive the memory of churchill. part of this weekend and celebrations this weekend will be to remind people of who he was and what he did. >> sir nicholas soames what an honor to have you on the program and thank you so much as we honor the memory of your grandfather. >> lovely to speak to you again, michael. wonderful to talk to you, too. thank you so much. >> thank you. cheers. in typical winston churchill fashion, the british prime

minister epitaph reads, "i am ready to meet my maker. whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me that's another matter. thank you for watching "state of the union" i'm michael smerconish. you can follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. fareed zakaria joins us now. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from switzerland, the home this week of the world economic forum. we'll begin today's show with the death of a king. king abdullah of saudi arabia the custodian of the two holy mosques. saudi arabia has been an island of stability in the midst of the fire storms of the middle east. but it is also home to the