ouldn'tshouldn't be taking have for granted. >> thanks very much. good discussion. remember you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me at wolf blitzer. be sure to join us tomorrow. you always watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. thanks again. erin burnett outfront starts rite now. next breaking news sources telling our barbara starr one of the taliban detainees released for beau bergdahl has attempted to return to militant activity. one father's desperate fight against the growing anti-vaccine movement movement. new details about areair asia flight 8501 crash. we're going to go inside the cockpit. good evening.

out front the breaking nudes inging news. we have learned one of the five taliban detainees traded may have returned to militant activities in kahtar. the five men were released in exchange for bergdahl last summer. the president said he received assurances that the five wouldn't pose a threat to the united states and wouldn't leave the country for a year. all of this coming as the white house is working toward closing gitmo and releasing more prisoners prisoners. we'll speak to the pentagon spokesman about this in a moment. barbara starr broke this story. you're getting new information right now about exactly what this detainee might have been

doing. >> he was engaging in communications that are not permissible under the transfer. what was he doing? he was making phone calls or online communications. he was attempting to communicate with taliban associated back in afghan, pakistan area. this is an attempt to return to militancy. that raised alarmed in the u.s. intelligence community. officials caught it very quickly because they conduct classified surveillance of these five detainees communication. they intercept and monitor so they caught it very quickly. now they're watching all five of them even more closely than they were although they were watching them very closely trying to keep track and seeing what they may be doing. an internal debate inside the

u.s. intelligence community. did this pose a direct threat. some say no. some say not sure yet. they're still looking at it. >> barbara, this isn't the first detainee to return to the battlefield. 12 to 15% is one solid estimate out there. this one is extremely significant. this deal in and of itself was significant. the united states does not negotiate with groups like this. they do not do these sorts of things. they did and said because it was an american prisoner of war they were exchanging for. this is one of the most politically charged vent edd events that the military has had to deal with. it comes a t a time when the president is trying to ensure he

can do something to get that population at guantanamo down. the way they are getting it down is transferring more and more detainees to third party countries who promise they will monitor them and their militant activities and keep make sure these people don't pose a threat. the question now, this one they caught it. the big question what many of these detainees may be up to. >> thank you very much. also tonight the latest deadline passed for two hostages held by isis. their lives on the line. they said there this woman. she was failed suicide bomber. she's on death row in jordan. they said do that or a military pilot would die from jordan. no word on his fate.

life. we have not received anything as of yet. we need a proof of life. >> reporter: today's deadline is the third that isis has set in a little more than a week. the wait began showing two japanese hostages. >> to the prime minister of japan. >> reporter: making the demand of $200 million of ransom within 72 hours. first deadline passed last friday and grim proof soon followed that one hostage had been executed. this image showing a photo of

his head less beside. he was spared. >> what it shows is they are reacting tactically. they no longer have a strategic plan. i think they have been hurt in terms of leadership and just trying to get the best thing going. it killed dozens. isis added a new threat. if the swap was not made the pilot would die along with him. >> there's a huge difference between a prisoner swap between warrant factions and a ransom request by a terrorist organization to a political party. that's the kwee differenceey difference. >> reporter: finally a new threat. deliver her today or the

hostages would not survive the day. the back and forth is raising questions about whether they were negotiating at all. >> they are attempting to elevate themselves into the status of a political movement and a state. they are not. they are a terrorist organization. it's the early morning hours now in jordan 3:00 in the morning. officials there continuing a tense, a nervous wait for news. so far no news either good or bad. you have to think hopes for a positive outcome grow dimmer. officials not willing to say that. outfront. pentagon press secretary, good to have you with us. you just heard barbara starr reporting one of the five taliban commanders traded returning to quote, unquote

militant activities. what can you tell us about that? >> i can't get into specifics on any one case. we take issues of reengagement very seriously. it can mean a lot of things. it doesn't have to mean return to the battlefield. we work closely with agencies and law enforcement and our international partners to deal with it as effectively as possible. we have a strong security partnership and are in constant dialogue with government officials about these five detainees. we're confident we would be able to mitigate any threat of reengagement by any of these members. >> you mentioned the country that took custody of those five taliban commanders back in june when the deal was done. i was there at the time. they provided assurances that

they would not pose a threat to the united states. they included a one-year ban. obama administration put its trust in that country. was ta trust misplaced? was this deal worth it? >> no the trust was not misplaced. we're confident the security assurances are in place and we can mitigate whatever threat of reengagement might evolve with any of these detainees. he left his base in middle of the night. we do not know the circumstances of that departure.

>> when will we know if he will be tried as a deserter or not. >> he has been charged. there's been no charges filed the sergeant. the investigation as you noted is complete. it was delivered to general mark milly, a four star general. it was delivered in late december. he's only had it for a month. his job is to figure out what to do about this case. how to dispose of it. he has any option from doing nothing at all to all the way up to general court-martial for very severe potential severe offenses. no offenses have been leveed against him. no files have been charged. he's working his way through the investigation. he's not under any pressure to get it done on a fixed timeline. he's very mindful of the importance of this case. he wants to make sure he takes the time to get it right. we'll have to wait to see when he gets through it and when he decides. >> the pilot that was held

hostage by isis at this time this is the first military prisoner from the u.s. led coalition fighting isis that was captured by isis. it's a specific and unique case. the question is is the united states obligated to do what it did for beau. we said five taliban commanders. this is an american prisoner of war. this is a prisoner of war of american led coalition. should the united states do what it takes to get there pilot back even if that means negotiating a prisoner swap. >> this is their pilot. he's a member of the coalition. in terms of these kinds of issues they are settled at the national level. he's a citizen of jordan. the jordanian government is working themselves through on how they might or could potentially recover him. i wouldn't want to get in the middle of that. while they're still working through it we've told them that we will help in any way we can

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tmplgts word wait for safety on two men held hostage by isis. the militants will spare the lives of the them if they turn

over hostages. tonight we're learning more about that would be female bomber that they want in exchange for the men and the other high value terrorists that isis desperately wants to free. >> reporter: for isis it's a new dynamic experts say demanding high value prisoners in exchange for hostages. three prisoners isis wants back are women. a suicide bomber an alleged bomb maker and a woman tied to isis. the fourth is a child. each symbolically and strategically important for the terror group. >> >> isis is demanding the release of failed jordanian hotel

suicide bomber. the al qaeda operative and her husband targeted a radisson hotel ballroom in 2005 killing wedding guests. she's connected to isis through her brother once a ranking member of al qaeda and iraq which spawned isis. isis demanded the release of lady al qaeda, an imprisoned m.i.t. trained neuroscientist. she was arrested in afghanistan in 2008 carrying bomb making documents for a mass casualty chemical and biological weapons attacks including american targets. it's ironic isis is demanding women prisoners given how they treat women. >> women are seen as commodities.

isis thinks it can be justifyied. it's a disturbing dynamic of a group that effectively thugs, bandits and criminals that have created an ideology. >> reporter: one prisoner who isis has not publicly demands is this woman. rej regional sources say she's a powerful isis figure arrested as a high value target as she crossed into lebanon with this 4-year-old who the source identifies as her child. the source sells cnn since the capture in march 2014 he's been calling to get his child released. right now there's a direct connection between isis the three female terrorists and the country's that they are from. looking ahead terror experts predict in the future isis will cast a wider net trying for prisoner exchanges to free anyone connected to the

international trough movement. >> thank you very much. gary burnson, a former cia officer who dealt with hostage situations and retired army general. gary you were critical on helping to rescue to aid workers held hostage in afghanistan. if there is an opportunity in this situation, for this 26-year-old aid worker to swap somebody that isis wants, one of those prisoners in exchange for this aideworker should the u.s. do it? >> we want to do everything we can to use our covert capability military capabilities and we need to convince these people if they kill an american there as they beled beheaded people we're going to send 25 b-52s and we're going to flatten. if they want to play this way

with us we have to be very hard with them. >> americans have been beheaded. the u.s. has conducted air strikes and failed to take them out. it's not like they haven't tried. >> no no not of the quantity i'm talking about. we send 50 b-52s over there, i think they will stop killing americans that way. >> general marx, what do you think? >> clearly this administration has not upped the ante it would include a much greater use of military force and essentially an air campaign of some sort. clearly the issue in my mind is as governance collapses and seen as broadly in the mid east the abilities of government to establish themselves legitimately and our governments inability to really maintain a leadership ability to influence activity activities and affect activities

elsewhere, ngos work and start to provide good services and activities where the governments can't. you end up with aide workers that are held hostage. the question becomes are these folks afforded the same type of protections as you would a soldier or service member? >> that's a key question when you put it that way. what do you say to that? obviously you just heard john, from the pentagon when he's talking about it he's saying it's a sacred duty to rescue a prisoner of war from the united states military. if the aide workers are doing something the military was doing in hafrg but aren't sheer, should they be treated same way? >> we had the shelter now hostages there. two of them were americans. we pursued the rescue of those women with the sbents they were our daughters and mothers. we were able to execute the

military together. we did a number of things to make this happen. you have to have an intensity an i was expected to do that by cia. the white house wanted to be briefed on that. every day i was reporting back. i knew it was going to the president. ops get sent in to rescue this person. i wonder if seals feel resentment to help people like that. here's what he said. >> it is upsetting.

i've had a good friend that was in my team. he was killed tried to rescue an american doctor. part of our issue is why are you going there. obviously, it's noble and they want to do the right thing and they are good hearted people. the problem is you need to have a realization that there are people that don't like you based on simply being a non-brefeliever. they will kill you based on how you look. >> that's a pretty honest answer. there is resentment. should the u.s. be conducted raids to save every american that go into these places even if they have good hearts. >> this is one man's view. an incredible view of the activity. he's been at the very tip of these engagements and he knows what it's like. the united states will bring any power that it has to bear. they will galvanize everything they can. they will put folks at risk in order to solve a problem

precisely. the fact remains is as our inability to work all elements of power. that's the diplomatic in a long term engagement, you have to have a military capability in order to make this work. it is very demanding and it must be done. >> thanks so much to both of you. today senator john mccain tore into prosecutors who swarmed secretary of state while he was testifying. the demonstrators are from a professional protesting group called code pink. they surrounded him. he's 91 years old. they held up war signs. senator john mccain was angry. he ordered capitol hill police to remove them. >> i've been a member of this committee for many years. i have never seen anything as disgraceful and outrageous and

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an out break of measles is sweeping across the united states tonight. we have new numbers from the c cdc. there's 84 cases they have registered this month alone. 53 have been linked to disney land in california. days before the super bowl in phoenix health officials are monitoring more than 1,000 people who may have been exposed. dan is out front where the controversy over vaccines is spreading. you spoke with a family that's stirring up a significant debate. they are putting this on the p front burner where it deserves to be. what are they doing? >> reporter: as we all know

there's a certain number of parents who don't want to vaccinate their children. they live north of san francisco. they say if you don't want to vaccinate. okay. we don't think your children have any business coming to our son's school. this is a bold statement but it's very personal. 6-year-old red is not vaccinated for measles or anything else but it has nothing to do with religion or his parents philosophy towards vaccines. he's battling lieu chemoeing leukemia. he's in remission now. a thousands doses weakened his immune system. >> vaccinations are wiped out by the chemotherapy. they have to wait until he's immune testimony is strong enough to revaccinate him. >> reporter: until then his parents have an idea and a controversy one. they want reed school to bar any children who haven't been vaccinated. such a move would decrease red's

chances of getting the measles which could lead to death according to his doctor. >> this is not just about rett. this is about all kids that have immune dysfunction whether from chemotherapy or underlying deficiency syndrome. >> instead of waiting for an out break and reacting to what is a disease, let's get ahead of it and avoid having that outbreak in the first place. >> reporter: here in california and other states there are exemptations that allow parents to opt out. >> are they vaccinated? >> for the most part. >> reporter: she did get them vaccinated for measles but not everything else the school requires. she got an exemptation which requires the form to be signed by a health care professional. >> we live here which is a liberal place. it's a well educated group of people. it's a thoughtful group of

people. i think if parents are choosing not to vaccinate it's probably for a reason. >> reporter: the numbers are not trivial. more than 6% have personal belief exemptions. california law protects the right of parents to refuse to vaccinate children. his parents can see their on the losing side of the battle but still hope some good will come of it. >> what wer're trying to achieve is raise immu anization rates so dwoents have we don't have to worry about measles. they know their probably going to lose this one but glad to be triggering this national conversation. >> it's an important national conversation to have especially when you look at the science and

the reality. thank you very much. i want to bring in dr. dorin and dr. jack wolfson in phoenix where health officials are monitoring more than 1,000 people who may have been exposed. you have very different points of view. the current outbreak is continuing to grow. cases confirmed in 14 states including california and arizona. is it fair to link the two things together? >> there's no question. you have to link the two together. look, in 1964 there was three to four million cases in the united states every year. after the vaccine development in 2000 we eliminated measles. since then when people started not immunizing their kids this outbreak has begun. the numbers are clear. this is something that's being

propagated by people who doesn't understand the medicines. >> the number of cases have more than tripled during the past year. i know you're opposed to vaccinating children with mmr. it is to be one of the most widely study vaccines in the world. links to autism have been discredited. the majority of the cases in this outbreak which i think is important to mention, have involved people who were not vaccinated. why do you oppose the vaccine? >> well, what i'm opposed to is the fact we're injeking chemicals into our children. it's alum num, mercury, sometimes aborted fetal proteins. we're experimenting on our children. our children have the right to get infections. we have immune systems for that purpose. there were millions of cases. rarely did anybody die from this. these are typically benign

childhood conditions. we cannot sterilize the body. we cannot sterilize our society. we need to be effective by these viruss and bacteria. that's ridiculous. >> yearly 4,000 people were de debilitate debill at a timed from measles. if you think that's trivial, i can't believe you're a physician. >> i'm not sure where you get your facts from. >> finish dr. dorian and dr. wolfson you can reply. >> vaccines have saved more lives than you and i and any other physician combined. to talk about toxins it's farm kol ji. water can be toxic. it depends on the amount you're giving pep we have saved lives. it's people like do you that

bother me. you're a physician. it's one thing for a layperson to not understand but few you to tell people to not vaccinationkccinate that's egregious. >> i'm a board certified cardiology. i've studied these issues for years. you're talking about benign childhood conditions. if you go to the cdc website, you go to their website, you can see for years -- >> that's what i'm quoting. sgr let him finish his point. >> once again, whether it's chicken box, measles, mumps, there's 70 people who have it right now or 80 whatever the number is. they're not dying. these are benign childhood conditions they will be immune for ever. you're injected chemicals to stimulate the immune system. that's not the same thing. we all had chickenpox as

children and we're all fine because of it. >> measles can lead to knew meanpneumonia can lead to long problems. >> i understand that. the numbers do not demonstrate. bad things can happen to anybody. we can be in car accident a toaster fire. bad things can happen. the reality is is that we need to keep our children healthy. we need to give them good food. we need to keep chemicals away from them. they need to get appropriate sleep. they get to get appropriate care. actual healthy doctors as opposed to pill pushers and chemical pushers like the person on i'm television with now. >> we want our kids to be healthy and exercise and eat properly. we also want to honor medicine and understand research. we have saved millions of lives because of vaccinations.

i, on a daily basis, take care of people infected by illnesses because they did not vaccinate. i see their eyes. i can't believe you, as a physician, can look and say they should not be vaccinated. that's not part of the oath. you're doing harm. >> i'm going to leave it there. my point of view vaccinated my child. did the research. it was very clear. did not seem to be any sort of a question. always open to hearing the other side. doing the research it appeared to be extremely clear. there's no question vaccinate. new details oen the final moments of air asia flight 8501. a murder mystery involving one the super stars. it works how you want to work. with a fidelity investment professional... or managing your investments on your own. helping you find new ways to plan for retirement. and save on taxes

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tonight new details about what happened when air asia flight 8501 crashed into the ocean killing all the people on board. we know who was at the controls of the plane. it was the co-pilot not the pilot. it was wobbling and veered left.

stall warnings blared. it started a short climb upwards and plummeted down. we got an exclusive look inside a cockpit simulator of what would have happened. >> right now we're flying the air bus. >> you have flown this plane before? >> that's right. >> reporter: so many times over his 35 years with united airlines a retired pilot has lost count. we're joining him in an a-320 simulator. the same airplane as the doomed air flight. >> if they fly much they've onnenon been on it. >> reporter: a state of the art computerized plane. it can correct a pilot's mistake but not all of them. >> reporter: we're asking duke to fly into the storm cell air asia encounter. >> they turned to the left to avoid the thunderstorm.

>> reporter: how fierce are those? >> picture yourself on the worst roller coaster you've been on and multiply it by ten. this >> this is what they were experiencing? >> yeah you see the that. >> reporter: in just 30 seconds the plane climbs 5,400 feet out of control and beyond the plane's normal capacity. the stall warning goes off as it makes the steep climb and doesn't stop. >> what's happen ng the cockpit? >> there's tremendous confusion. >> you can feel the plane slowing down. >> you can feel it slowing down. >> just before the fall. >> feel that bump? >> they're not flying. they're dropping. >> we're doing 12,000 feet a minute. we're just dropping. was that crash? >> that was a crash. it happened before i even knew it. air asia went from normal to

disaster in just 3:20. >> we're doing 15,000 feet a minute down. that's about what they were doing when they disappeared off the radar. >> reporter: in most of the scenarios he runs the auto-pilot correct. >> here's the stall. we're saying we're going slow. we need more power. >> surviving a stall something an a-320 pilot trains for whatever happened it was so violent the pilots and the passengers couldn't get out of it. >> very uncomfortable. very scared. there were very helpless. >> what he cant capture. the sheer terror of the human beings aboard flight and the grief of the sudden loss of all of those lives. >> authorities say even though the 46-year-old co-pilot was the one at the controls every one aboard was certified. there should have been a routine

flight. there was bad weather that day. they are still searching for an exact cause. >> thank you so much. next one of the biggest stars in football, his team headed to the super bowl. he's back home on trial for murder. we're in court for the opening arguments and this is the patriots again, people. for bolder caramel-ly espresso. whole milk... steamed to a sweet velvety microfoam delicately poured, so the espresso rises to the top. the perfect union of bold and sweet. simplicity is its own artistry. introducing the citi® double cash card. it's a cash back win-win. with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn on puchases, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. i know...

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tonight, as the new england patriots get ready to take the field at the super bowl, the team found itself at the center of another scandal but this time it has nothing to do with tom brady but rather what the team knew about the star player's alleged role in a murder. today, the team's former tight end, aaron hernandez, appeared in court for day one of a high profile murder trial. susan canadaesan candiotti is outfront. >> reporter: the defendant, 25-year-old aaron hernandez, once a favorite patriot quarterback. >> it's a terrible thing that happened when someone who has been on our team it's, you know you just it's a very sad thing. >> reporter: just days before super bowl xlix brady and head coach bill belichick already the

focus of an alleged cheating scandal, will now play sports under the ultimate cloud of a murder trial. hernandez's charge with the execution style murder of semipro player odin lloyd. prosecutors say the two men argued at a nightclub two nights before. central to the case against hernandez, surveillance videos that show the victim on the night of his death. prosecutors say lloyd is seen getting into a car with hernandez and two other men. ernest wallace and carlos ortiz. they'll be tried separately. the same car is shown driving to this industrial park at 3:22 in the morning. witnesses report hearing gunshots a few minutes later. then at 3:27 a camera shows the same car again pulling into hernandez' driveway about a half mile from the crime scene.

although prosecutors say four people drove into the park only three get out of the car at hernandez's home. and then there's this. the former tight end's own surveillance cameras capture him holding what prosecutors say is the murder weapon but no murder weapon has ever been found. >> the defendant's texted and called ernest wallace and carlos ortiz more than 40 times. >> reporter: but a crucial text sent to lloyd's sister before he killed inadmissible. you know who i'm with just so you know. the judge rules it's not proof, lloyd thought he was going to die. >> the police and the prosecutors targeted aaron from the very beginning as soon as they found out that aaron hernandez, the celebrity football player the new england

patriot, was a friend of odin lloyd's, aaron never had a chance. >> reporter: inside the courtroom when i was observing the jurors one of the most dramatic moments came when prosecutors were showing the photographs of odin lloyd as his dead body layed in the industrial park. at that moment odin lloyd's mother wept quietly and left the room. many jurors watched her do that. very emotional. erin? >> susan, thank you very much. legal analyst paul callan is outfront. aaron hernandez, the celebrity, targeted he didn't have a chance. that's their side. the other side four guys drive into the woods, three guys come out in the middle of the night at 3:30 in the morning and on surveillance camera you have this new england patriot pulling what appears to be a gun out of

his hip. >> the big beef about this case is based on quote, circumstantial evidence but people say it's weak case because it's circumstantial evidence but circumstantial evidence can be very very strong. an example, you come home to your house, there's a glass next to your door and rock next to your window. that's strong evidence that someone threw a rock through the window. if you see footprints in fresh snow that's evidence that someone walked through the snow. it can be very strong and here as you just indicated, this guy gets into a nissan altima with hernandez and his two friends. they have witnesses that they drive to an industrial park and three minutes later, when the car pulls in to hernandez's house -- >> three guys get out. >> right. lloyd's body is missing, found in the industrial park and guess what cameras in the house show hernandez taking what appears to be a gun out of the waistband.

>> when you look at that you think they've got enough to convict. >> it's certainly pretty persuasive i think. they've got great defense attorneys here and they're going to be trying to poke holes in the case and say it's circumsubstantial, it's weak. >> the text message susan was just reporting on the man killed sent to his sister. hey, look just notice who i'm with nfl, just so you know. that's not admissible and also not admissible someone filed a civil lawsuit against hernandez saying they shot him in the face a charge of him murdering men outside of a nightclub and a photo holding a gun. should any of thods be admissible? >> the idea of his having killed two other people he's indicted for two other murders -- >> not convicted. >> not convicted. but one of the big missing items is the motive. why does he kill lloyd? he's celebrity, rich

successful why does he kill him? one of the things may be that lloyd knew something and he had to kill him to quiet him-up. >> maybe the other murders. >> but that's not coming in the time of trial. >> paul callan thank you very much. this will be a fascinating one to watch. we'll be right back. i'm out of the office right now, but will get back to you just as soon as i possibly can. your call is important to me. join princess cruises for exclusive discovery at sea experiences. enjoy cruises from $499 during our 50th anniversary sale. call your travel consultant or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new. ♪ go! go! go! he's challenging the very fabric of society. in a post cannonball world! was it grilled cheese? guilty! the aquatic delinquency is a larger issue to this

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northeast battered again by snow. a double whammy. the latest on the next big storm. set your dvr "outfront." watch anytime. "ac360" begins now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin now with a fight against terrorism. the negotiations now apparently stalled to swap a female terrorist for pair of isis captives. jordanian fighter pilot. an official suspect one of these five taliban guantanamo detainees traded for beau bergdahl attempted to return to militant activity. jim sciutto for us now. let's talk about the possible deal first with jordan and isis. where does that stand? >> reporter: we're nearly se hours past the most recent deadline which was sundown l