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mike huckabee. >> good show. look forward to it. thanks very very much. have a great weekend. remember you can always follow me on twitter. tweet me tweet the show. we'll see you monday. i'm wolf blitzrer. erin burnett starts now. a major development from the pentagon. check hagel telling cnn that he was pressured by the white house to release gitmo prisoners. the measles outbreak in america grows. the same virus that killed nearly 150,000 people around the world in 2013 now spreading. is the anti-vaccination move to blame? a whole lot more snow is on the way. let's go out front.
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out front tonight, the breaking news from the pentagon. check hagel telling cnn that he felt pressure from the white house to release terror suspects from guantanamo bay. the president has made it his to priority to close to prison. >> not everyone has agreed with me. >> on what part? >> the pace of releases. >> because you've been cautious. >> i have the responsibility and i play by own game here. by law i'm the one, the one official in government charged with certification of releasing detainees. i take that responsibility very seriously. >> have you had pressure?
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>> we've had a lot of conversations. >> barbara joins me now from the pentagon. that was very direct. you kept pushing hip inging him and pushing him but he was direct. were you surprised? >> i didn't think i would say this on live tv but i almost fell out of any chair. he's about to leave office. i think his view is finally after two years of politics in washington now he can say what he thinks. what he is telling us is the white house wanted him to increase not just the number of detainee releases that he as secretary of defense has to improve, they wanted him to i increase the pace. he told them no. >> it's incredible he would admit that agreement happened over something we all know so near and dear to this
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president's heart. it's a significant piece of news. you got the secretary to talk about the isis fight. he told you more ground troops might be involved in fighting isis. >> this also was interesting. he was very cautious on this but actually revealed somewhat of his thinking. he said it would, could be necessary for the u.s. to send a small number of ground troops to the front lines in iraq to help the iraqis fight isis and help them locate targets aened not be in combat. >> thank you very much. so much breaking news there.
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not often she would tell you she was surprised but almost fell out of her chair. more breaking news. new video of the paris terror attacks. this is video filmed by one of the attackers. the video shows three of the four murders in the kosher grocery store. jim, what more do you know about the video? >> reporter: a u.s. intelligence official confirmed he shot a video and shot video of the attack while it was under way. it will express newspaper reporter that while he was in there he shot seven minutes of video during the attack including the murder of three of those four hostages inside that kosher market and while he was in there surrounded by police that he up loaded that video to a computer and e-mailed it out to a friend a contact, in the
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middle east. the concern that at some point that video is going to come out on jihadi websites as a recruiting tool. if we see these images they will be powerful and i imagine alarming. >> i would imagine so. it's horrific. i know he did it on a go pro camera. what can you tell us about that? >> this air strike took place about six days ago. took that time to confirm he was killed. what's interesting about this chemical weapons expert is he goes back to hussein's time. he worked in the chemical weapons facileity and he joined al qaeda in iraq. you'll remember that during the war the u.s. claimed victory over al qaeda and iraq. it reconstituted itself as isis
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and reared its ugly head again as it swept down. it's a sign of how far and how deep the roots are and how difficult it is to stop this threat. >> thank you very much. michael weiss. michael, the defense secretary. you heard barbara starr say she's been coming to the pentagon. she almost fell out of her chair. the defense secretary admitting he's been under pressure from the white house to release gitmo detainees too quickly. how concerning is that? >> it's no surprise. they end up in some militant insurgency are much higher than the pentagon would like. most military officials will tell you we don't want to let the guys go because they will wind up in al qaeda or isis.
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i think the military officials are one mind on this issue. the castro regime have said we want guantanamo back to us in order to normalize thesuations. >> this is pretty shocking. just this week they admitted that one of the five taliban commanders that was exchanged for beau bergdahl has attempted to return what they call militant activities. it may not be surprising that it's true but it's surprising that the defense secretary of the united states on his way out is admitting he's signing off too fast.
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>> i don't find it surprising he would acknowledge that especially he's not encumbered by this position he's in. that's okay if it has been executed well. the swap by itself you think you could label as an okay move but it was the execution of that swap and the results that came afterwards that were totally hosed up. that's the issue. if we're going to close gitmo then they will have to go elsewhere. what are the arrangements for these captors in these countries or unless we put them back in the united states in some prison system. >> there's a lot of questions. some of these countries are giving them free reign. isis is trying to negotiate prison noer swaps right now.
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they have threatened to kill these hostages and they don't and they keep negotiating. why? every other time this has ended with a beheading video. it has not this time. why? >> probably one of two things or one thing. isis may be gaining traction with the japanese government and think there might be a possible outcome where they're going to get cash for a release. that may have to do with proof of life. the second thing is there has been some tactical successes on the part of the coalition going after isis. that's not going to stop their activities. we have seen an increase in their activities in essence opening another front. there may be some wounds they are licking right now in a combination that the japanese may be willing to pay. >> what do you think about that?
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there could be wounds they're licking. >> whatever happens from the negotiation, it's already a propaganda victory for isis. they're not called the islamic state for nothing. they want to be considered a viable form of government. treating them as a terrorist organization means we don't negotiate with you. isis pays close attention to u.s. policy making debates. they have photographs from u.s. think tanks. they read the output of these organizations. they're trying to drive a wedge between the united states and jordan. jordan of all the coalition partners is probably the most sympathetic to u.s. goals in terms ss of a strict counter terrorism policy. the father has been outspoken. release him. this is our native son.
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>> thanks so much to both of you. next the deadly measles outbreak spreading. tens of thousands crowding into phoenix for the super bowl. health officials are warning if you have symptoms stay away. the new face on the fbi's terrorist list. for years he was cab driver in washington, d.c. driving around landmarks like the white house and the capitol. would he be planning to launch attacks against the united states? there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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officials on alert at the super bowl. the measles outbreak in 14 states including arizona where the super bowl will be played on sunday. the cdc advising anyone with symptoms to stay away from the game. we're learning tonight more about cases, new cases in california nebraska and minnesota igniting fears around the united states that this highly contagious virus is just beginning to spread. dan simon is out front in san francisco. what are you learning about the new cases where you are which is the epicenter of this outbreak? >> reporter: concern here definitely rising. you have two new cases in marin
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county north of san francisco. the public health department they are issuing an urgent press release telling us about the two cases. these are siblings both unvaccinated and it's related to the disney land outbreak. they know where the children go to school but they are not diz disclosing it. they will not tell the children there to not vaccinate because they think they have this under control. if they feel like there's an active situation tlail do so. that happened in orpg county a few days ago where there's an active outbreak there. 20 high school students told not to go to school. if you were to liken this to a wildfire, certainly out of control and crews figuring out how to contain it. >> there's been an increase in the number of cases where you are of measles to 91 from 63. this is just coming in today that's a really big jump.
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>> reporter: it is a big jump. if you take a step back and look at the situation here in san francisco, you have a large amount of people who have filed these personal exemptation forms for their children. you have 6% of kindergartens. that's the essence of the problem that's much larger when you look at the state average. much larger when you consider the entire nation. california we should point out last year it enacted a law that says you have to have the signature of a physician. the medical community wants parents to vaccinate and by putting that signature it alerts the school they've been informed of all the risks. >> thank you very much. the cases in california as we
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understand are going up from 63 to 91. that is a big jump. the fear of an outbreak in the u.s. is real for a reason. according to the cdc 90% of the people not vaccinated will become infected if they come in contact with someone with the measles. that's 90%. that's why you see numbers like 63 jumping to 91. tom foreman out front. i know you're probably not surprised when you hear a number like that. >> reporter: that's right. we all know if you were on a bus or train or a plane and somebody near you sneezed and they had the measle virus, you're likely going to be exposed to it. some research out of m.i.t. last year suggested it's a lot worse. imagine if i were seated in this seat here. this research says if somebody sneezed way back there on the plane that beyond the immediate area of where they are seated there can be these invisible clouds of micro droplets that
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travel long distances despite filtering systems and everything else and they can infect me. they can land on surfaces and i can touch them and as you note there, if i have not been vaccinated or if it's a circumstance where i have not had measles before i have a 90% chance a 90% chance of getting infected. what are we seeing? we're seeing more people backing away for voluntary reason for having their children inoculate inoculated. this is the result. every place that's darker is where people have backed off from doing it. they backed down some. two of the darkest places california they had the outbreak at disney land and arizona. people are coming from all over the country for the super bowl. >> as people congregate and in places like planes hotels
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restaurants, how much of a risk do that have of becoming infected. there's also the understanding that it doesn't last forever. if you had it add a kid and didn't get boosters which most people don't a whole lot of people might be vulnerable who don't know it? >> it's possible some people are vulnerable but that's going to be a smaller set. the real issue is the people who aren't taking any measures because if a enough of them start congregating they can start passing it among themselves. look what the the result has been of some of this. back in 2000 we basically said as a nation that measles had been wiped out in the country. it was gone. we had some artifakcts of cases but look what has happened. we started seeing little spikes but signs of something going on and last year. look at that. it jumps to well over 600 cases.
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if these numbers keep holding up this year we'll go higher than that before year's end. in a country with 311 million people it's not pandemic but it's a trend line that health officials really don't like seeing. erin. >> it is. as we said and 400 people a day around the world die from measles even know. i want to bring in vaccine exemption attorney. good to have both of you with us. danny, these numbers. the breaking news that we have now. the number of cases in california going up from 63. tonight we're told it's 91. this is confirmed in 14 states. the cdc says the majority of the people that have it were not vaccinated. should parents of unvaccinated kids be held accountable legally? >> when you say legally we're talking art torte liability and they should. even if you decide we decide as a society to keep these exemption rule that is allow
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parents to make a decision based on religion or philosophy to not vaccinate that's fine. torte liability isn't concerned with criminalalty. it's about making people hold for another person's bad decisions. it doesn't really ask whether or not you acted legally but it holds you to a community standard. if you're parent who thinks your child shouldn't be vaccinated no problem. torte liability can hold you liable by holding you to a community standard. however honest and sincere your belief is that vaccination is a bad idea it's against the great weight of the community and science. therefore, you can be held liable even in a world where you have these exemption statutes. >> what about this community
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issue? >> the data that's being thrown around is unreliable. perhaps the spikes we're seeing in illness is being caused by the vakccinesvaccines. there's no proof -- >> how can it be caused by the vaccine when we haven't seen the spike when it's been around for decades? >> the disease is ebb and flow. vaccines are made in batches. you don't know where they are coming from. a lot of them are made overseas in secret labs. people who are vaccinated do get ill. >> what about the points -- the cdc says the majority of the cases involve people who have not been vaccinated. >> the cdc is not the most reliable source of data. there was research and evidence put out that dr. thompson who was involved with the study with the mmr claimed that cdc is falsifying information on the shot. if you can show me proof where that mmr is controlling this
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spread of this disease then let me see it. as far as i know there are no studies. >> let me throw one thing out here. >> we eradicated it. >> there were fewer than 2,000. that's the vaccine. >> no it's not the vaccine. people think that polio is eradicated when polio increased because diseases ebb and flow. manipulating disease, millions of people being injected with shots where you have no clue where they're coming from who's making them what's in them and kids get sick from auto-inoculation. that's quite possible what the spikes are from. you don't know. >> you know what erin. we live in great country where she can continue to have the approach to life which is you don't know for sure but unfortunately, you don't know
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for sure never cured a disease. science has cured diseases. if her position is i'm not so sure i want to trust the cdc, i'd rather trust an actress or my own feelings. feel free to do so. you're absolutely free to do so. if you make those choices and fail to inoculate your children then you should be held liable under our theories of torte liabilities, which allow you to maintain your own personal views but will hold you to a community standard. >> how are you going to prove that? are you going to timestamp the illness? >> you're one of those people. let me explain. >> i wasn't done with the question. >> that's a long question. my goodness. we only have so much time. >> you've dominated most of it. let me just continue. allow are you going to prove where the vaccine came from and if you can prove to me that the
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vaccine is controlling the spread of disease then let's take it up in torte liability. as far as i'm concerned you would have a burden of proof and you wouldn't be able to prove the vaccine controls the spread of measles because nobody has done that. i'd like to see the science you're looking at because the science i see is very questionable. i have a right to peek under the hood. >> right. it's not science. i barely got out of high school chemistry. why the rest rely experts. if you don't cdc falsels the class experts eye eye. leave it there. i appreciate both of your time tonight. next, the next major storm the the blizzard of 2015. guess what a whole lot more of it is coming in the next few days. the newest face on the fbi's
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road slick, wind chills going to ten below zero in new york. parts of maine up to a foot of snow could fall. then it goes over the whole weekend because this is the beginning. another system is gaining strength. we're going to have more on this whole forecast in a moment because it's a double whammy. how is the city dealing with these snowstorms? this is one after another after another. >> reporter: this is exactly the problem for them. 10 12 inches is not a big thing but they've had so many of them. this is downtown portland. this is an 8 foot pile snow right in the middle of city. this could be dangerous. they've been trying to clear the roads for several days. the forecast has the snow coming down very hard all night tonight
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and getting extraordinarily cold into the single digits and the wind chill way below zero and the wind will pick up as well. the wind is starting to pick up here. if you see some of the snowplows coming down the street here. this is what you see in portland and across maine. these very large snowplows. keep the roads clear. it's impressive. so far nay are keeping up. they're not allowing any cars onto park alongside the roads so they can clear these roads and not get any of the cars stuck in these giant piles of snow. erin. >> i have to say i know you're out of breath because i know you climbed up the snow pile. that's one of the most impressive -- i could hear it. everyone heard it. i got to call it like i see it. it was pretty amazing you got all the way up there without collapsing because i would have had a head dive. you looked graceful. thank you very much.
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you just saw that giant pile that miguel was in. it's major concern for clean up crews across the northeast when you have these giant piles snow everywhere. jason carol is outfront. what happens to the snow once it's plowed. >> reporter: i want to go over the driving. we have been seeing a lot of these piles. driving conditions have been treacherous. we checked in with the police who have been telling us they have seen more than 100 accidents so far. it's because of all the snow that's been out here. we had a question where does all of this snow go? like the mound of snow that you just saw with miguel. we found the answer. i want to show it to you quickly as we pull over and hop out. i want to show you what we
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found. it's here. this is the spot where all the know or most of it from the city of portland ends up. it ends up in this huge industrial parking lot where in the middle of the city. you ask yourself in a place like portland where you have a lot snoefw and a lot of space. the snowplows come here and this is where they dump up. i want to give you an idea as i pull a miguel and climb up. i just climbed over a fence. this gives you an idea of how high it goes. it goes up about 25 feet up here to the top. where i am now. that gives you some perspective. about two and a half stories. this particular lot is about one block in this direction. one block in the direction behind me. snowplow operator say by the end
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of the winter, that's about three stories high this mound of snow this dumping ground is going to end up that high. what ends up happening to the snow? they say they put it here and they let it melt. should be all melted by the end of may. erin. >> that is incredible. a block around two and a half stories tall. wow. thank you very much jason. there are new storm warnings. this is going to go across the northeast. another storm on the back of the storm now. forecasters predicting more significant snowfall. chad meyers is out front. we have the massive blizzard and another storm and another storm. >> it's winter. we're in pattern now that takes the lows and runs up the east coast. they run them to the north. that's what happens. we get them back into maine and new brunswick.
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some of that could be freezing rain. there goes the first storm. it's done by late tonight into tomorrow. it's not a major event. boston you'll pick up a dusting. what you see now that's just about done. the snow just about over. what you will pick up across the entire northeast is this red map behind me of winds of almost 40 miles per hour tonight tapering off to 25 by tomorrow night. this is the story where the temperatures will be cold. philadelphia monday morning you're going down to 7. boston you're two below zero. that's the low without the wind chill. make sure the pets have enough shelter or just bring them inside because they don't like the cold. i don't like it at all. here's is snow. this is for sunday. it starts out in the southwest. people trying to have fun around the super bowl. there's the snow. it moves across.
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we have winter watches now all the way from iowa into pennsylvania. this is the swath of snow that we expect. this is not a blizzard. this could put down eight new inches of snow and all of a sudden where do you start stacking it. look at this from boston. you put down foot and a half of snow. they already have three feet. how high do you have to throw it to get it out the way? boston is stick clocked with snow prfor sure. >> you're looking at these piles, these pounds. >> they're youtube moments waiting to happen. outfront next roger goodell got a little testy with our rachel nick rachel nichols today. >> somebody has to pay them rachel. unless you're volunteering,
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an international search is on for a former cab driver. he's a 29-year-old and american citizen. there's concern he may be training with a terrorist group in hopes of carrying out an attack on america. >> reporter: the fbi is on the hunt for this man, 29-year-old liban. a somali born naturalized u.s. citizen. the latest addition to the agency's list of most wanted terrorists. what makes him of special interest his last job. three years as cab driver in the d.c. area and the terror group in africa that the fbi says he joined. that group is behind the deadly
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2013 west gate mall attack in kenya. he's believed to have left the u.s. with intent to join in africa. that attack in kenya and especially horrific deadly attack. >> there were three gunmen at least, who stormed the mall with very heavy weaponry and fired with these weapons into crowds of people trying to kill add many people as think could. >> reporter: the fbi says before joining that group in africa he was a recruiting while working as a cab driver in washington, d.c. >> he has knowledge of washington, d.c. of important landmarks in the city.
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obviously x obviously, taxi drivers know their way around. >> reporter: fear he could return to this country and launch terror attacks against the u.s. the fbi says that he's provided support and resources to al qaeda. they say the reason why it's so critical to locate him is because of his knowledge of the d.c. area. erin. >> thank you very much. very troubling. roger goodell's response to our rachel nichols. $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪ ♪
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two days before the super bowl roger goodell took questions. whether the patriots under inflated their footballs and things like domestic violence. when answering a question about the footballs he managed to create another controversy. >> rachel nichols from cnn. you have faced a lot of problems that have a wide range but a lot of issues have in common is a conflict of interest. when you do something like hire an outside investigator like ted wells into the patriots investigation, you're still paying him and robert craft who owns the patriots is paying you. even when you do everything right in one of those situations it opens you guys up to a credibility gap with some of the public and your most high profile players. what steps can you take in the future to mitigate some of those conflict of interest issues?
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>> rachel i don't agree with you on a lot of assumptions you make in your question. we have had people with uncompromising integrity. i think you asked me last fall about a conflict of interest. their integrity is impeccable. these are professionals. they bring in outside expertise and perspective. they're conclusions are drawn only by the evidence and only by the attempt to try and to identify that truth. i think we have done an excellent job of bringing outside consultants in. somebody has to pay them. unless you're volunteering which i don't think you are, we will do that. we have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the league whether we have an owner that's being investigated or we have a commissioner that's been investigated they're done at
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the highest level of integrity and quality. >> rachel nichols and christine. rachel let me start with you. you're the trending topic on twitter. his reaction . >> i just thought it was a missed opportunity for roger goodell. look this is a big topic of conversation. at the beginning of the week one of the most high profile players, richard sherman, said in front of the assembled media, there's a big conflict of interest with roger goodell and robert kraft. this keeps getting in the way of them doing good work. i would think the nfl would want to mitigate that situation, would want to look to take steps to change that to belittle the idea as opposed to working towards positive change. i'm questioning that strategy of the commissioners. >> belittle the idea but in so doing, belittled you. kristine goodell's response was on twitter. here's one of the tweets wup of
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many. roger goodell won't score any points being sarcastic with or dismissive of rach el nichols. roger was dancing beautifully until the question smar my response fully aware he's standing above us at elector. what do you think? >> rachel is a dear colleague for many years. rachel rachel's question was accurate on topic and it mattered. with roger goodell talking about humility and soul searching, he took a big step backwards when he decided to add that little sarcastic comment to rachel. frankly, he shouldn't have said anything sarcastic to any sports journalist especially one that happens to be a woman in this season of all seasons. >> the season of course with the domestic abuse scandal. rachel before we go, will we ever know what tom brady or
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anyone of the patriots said deflated the footballs? >> reporter: these investigators haven't spoken to tom brady. they'll do it after the super bowl. hopefully learn more then but a lot of people have a lot of questions. we'll have to see if they even get answered. >> that's for sure. thank you so much to both of you and all of you, share your thoughts about roger goodell's answer to rachel. the other pre-super bowl spotlight is shining on tom brady, the quarterback of the patriots. the man the center of deflate gate kyung lah. >> reporter: graping headlines and sucking up all the oings on sports radio. >> i believe none of what tom brady said. >> leave the questions to who did it tom brady. >> reporter: the pop culture echo chamber for all the wrong reasons. >> i think you pretend to know a lot less than you actually do. what? >> reporter: is he a cheater or
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squeaky clean qb kids love? tom brady being asked that himself. >> is tom brady a cheater? >> i don't believe so. >> reporter: the very accusation challenges a career long image built as a good son from sleepy san mateo, california on his facebook page posting pictures of the goofy boy who despite a solid college football career prepared this resume for non-football job in case he wasn't drafted. he was. deep in the sixth round. no one knew his name until a sudden injury struck patriots quarterback drew bledsoe. lee steinberg remembers that moment clearly because he was bledsoe's sports agent. did tom brady'ses a as acension surprise? >> yes. >> reporter: he led the field to what is his sixth super bowl
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appearance. >> you only get so many time-outs. >> reporter: in the commercial world, bucking the trend of fellow players, taking on few sponsors a deliberate snub of potentially millions of dollars, part of an image tightly managed and controlled. his one fumble to that image, brady dated actress bridget moynihan and publicly split when she was pregnant. before moynihan gave birth, brady was already dating super model gisele bündchen forgiven by male and female sports fans. is that something fans care about? >> the fact he married the highest paid model in the world, good for him. >> reporter: but spy gate soon followed. fined the patriots for cheating videotaping signals from their opponents. how did tom brady come out of spy gate? >> untarnished. doesn't scout the signals or make those decisions. he's been teflon coded.
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movie star handsome rarely makes an offensive statement. >> reporter: people are talking about him as a cheater. >> americans don't like cheaters. if one person in the world has a real chance to have people believe him, it's tom brady. >> reporter: as a 37-year-old, brady looks to what may be his last super bowl. he's hoping to not just win a game but solidify his reputation and his legacy. erin? >> all right. all eyes will be on him. that's for sure. thank you, kyung and be sure to tune in tomorrow or our super bowl special, rachel nichols and dan marino host kickoff in arizona at 4:30 eastern. we be right back. i love... listening to intriguing sounds when i drift off into my dreams.
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good evening. thanks frp joining us. we begin with breaking news on the measles outbreak that began in california and spreading tonight. state health officials say the number of measles cases in california has risen to 91 with 54 cases now in disneyland. cdc said measles cases reported in 14 states this month with most tied to the disneyland outbreak. in arizona with the super bowl two days away there are growing concerns the virus could spread further when expected million people converge for the game. more on that in a moment. in arizona, seven measles cases linked to the disneyland outbreak and 1,000 people have had contact with the patients. among those at risk a toddler in phoenix.
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