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parts of maine. now all eyes are on a third winter storm that could blanket the midwest and northeast again. good morning, good morning. i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you today. >> absolutely. always grateful for your company. i'm christi paul. isis fighters shouting we're coming for you. they launched a key attack in this oil rich city in northern iraq. >> they're grinning. look at them here. boasting about the slaughter and beheadings they will carry out. another video we received overnight, isis fighters heading straight to the city in heavy fog here. part of this video becomes so graphic that we can't show the rest of it to you as the militants carry out an execution. >> cnn correspondent jim sciutto has more on why kirkuk is turning into iraq's latest battle ground. good morning. >> this was a coordinated large

surprise assault on a crucially important city in the north. isis fighters advancing undercover of fog, killing the most senior kurdish commander and several guards in the center of the city and sparking running gun battles through the city. it is a powerful demonstration of their ability to pro jebljec power on multiple fronts at one time. a new front in the war against isis. isis militants launching a coordinated surprise attack on the oil rich iraqi city of kirkuk. a hail of gunfire as they fight back against isis fighters hold up in this abandoned hotel in the center of town. here kurdish fighter raid the building to retake control. >> it's no surprise to us that they contain or can demonstrate the ability to continue to reek

violence. >> reporter: on the other side of town, however, isis advanced here seeing burning tents belonging to kurdish fighters. among the dead there, the kurdish commander shown here in an interview with cnn last summer. he was the highest ranking commander in kirkuk. representative adam shift wranking member on the house intelling je inte intelligence seize is sees isis desperate. >> they lost ground to iraqi forces and the symbolic loss in he could banny. they're very lethal and worried about pressure being put on mosul. >> they're planning to launch an attack to retake mosul. >> they launch add tacks to cut off isis supply lines to the

city. central command said a care ligs eye strike killed the chemical weapons expert, the strike taking place january 24th near mosul. isis' predecessor in 2005 and the coalition campaign continuing to put pressure particularly on isis senior leadership. >> jim sciutto, thanks very much. let's talk about this isis chemical weapons expert who was killed. we have peter norman, director for the study of radicalization and u.s. army general james spider marks. i want to start with you. he was saddam hussein's chemical weapons program leader before joining al qaeda and then isis. is there any evidence that isis is working on a klem call weapons program and what's the importance here of the chain of

command? >> good morning. it's a great question. we have to look at these skill sets that the isis fighters bring to the table. remember as cnn has done a great job in terms of outlining what the core of isis looks like. and these are the former key leaders for saddam's military. the infrastructure that he ran. they know how to conduct command and control. they know how to organize the kirkuk. this is well planned. this is coordinated. these are folks that know what they're doing. so it's very logical to assume that recidivism is in place. so the chemical expertise that existed at the highest levels in saddam's military and leadership exists in isis. you have to draw the conclusion, absolutely. they're moving in a direction to try to acquire all capabilities that are available. >> all right. peter, abu malik is now dead. are the leaders easily replaced?

>> i think isis has a great choice when it comes to former officers in saddam hussein's army. the entire leadership consists of former officers. and what is really concerning is the fact that, of course, isis is in syria now. we know that the syrian government has dismantled much of the chemical weapons program. some capability has fallen into the hands of isis. it is definitely something that intelligence and that military forces should be watching. >> victor, can i jump in? >> yeah, go ahead. from my perspective, job one for me was weapons of mass destruction, trying to get our arms around that. so the assumption has to be made in this effort to really get a precise picture of what the capabilities are, you have to draw some conclusions that lead

you to preparations at the very far end. so you, again, we have to assume that this is the dismantling of syria's chemical capabilities now reside with isis. and they will be reassembled. >> all right. general marks and peter norman, stick with us. during an interview with cnn, chuck hagel says the option is still on the table. barbara star has more for us. good morning, barbara. >> they might help iraqi combat troops do things like picking up targets. he made clear it's an idea that cannot yet be ruled out.

if you believe, if you want to recommend, you think you need to recommend to me, to the president that we should look at other options, then i want you to bring those recommendations to me. that so far has not happened. whether that would happen in the future, again, the president has said to his commanders, if you think this is what's going to be required, i need to know it. you need to make the recommendation. and i'll listen. >> what do you think? >> well, i think just as the president said and the advice i've given the president, it's what general dempsey has is that we have to look at all the options. and i think it may require a forward deployment of some of our troops, not doing the fighting, not doing the combat work that we did at one time for six years in iraq and we did for many, many years in afghanistan. but to help air strike

precision, locate -- >> intelligence. >> those are things we continue to support. we're not there yet. whether we get there or not, i don't know. whether that's something that our military commanders would recommend into the future, i don't know. but i think just as the president has made clear, i need to know your honest opinion and he's been very forthright about that what you think. is that something that you think -- >> but you're saying, you think it could be necessary. >> it could be. but i'm not willing to say that it will be necessary. i say it could be necessary. >> hagel leaves office in a few days. but his view is one that is shared by some current military commanders. barbara star, cnn, the pentagon. >> all right. so let's bring back peter and general marks. general marks to you, should

u.s. advisors or troops be on the front lines in iraq? >> they need to be. absolutely. the united states has a vested interest to make sure this thing doesn't completely go off the rails and it looks like it's about to. the united states needs to be able and be ready, certainly have the capability. they just need to make the hard choice. we either allow this to occur and expand but forces on the ground are in an inestability if for no other reason but to contain what is taking place in terms of isis' development and activities on the ground. we may have to accept a level of barbaric actions but we might have to say that's just okay. >> peter, i want to ask you the same question. should u.s. advisors or troops be there and how close are we to this thing going off the rails?

>> i think there are forces on the ground. the question is how involved should they be? i think that would be a mistake. i think isis is aching to kill americans. i think isis is aching to draw the united states deeper into conflict. because it would allow them to claim that america is again occupying muslim lands and would create a sort of public relation situation that would favor isis. so i think the administration has been right not to go too far and it has been right to be hesitant with deploying forces too far on the front lines. i think that's still true. >> all right. major general and peter marks, we appreciate you so much. >> thank you. >> the fate of those two isis hostages still unknown. just ahead, we know that isis wants this accused terrorist, this suicide bomber potentially in exchange for the japanese

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15 minutes past the hour. good morning you to. we're sitting on the back end of another deadline that has come and gone. this morning, still no word on the fate of these two hostages

held by isis. one, a jordanian pilot, the other, a japanese journalist. the terror groups have been in negotiations with jurordanian government. >> isis wants the release of a female al qaeda prisoner and threatened to kill the hostage it's demands are not met. the juror jordanian government says they will release her if they prove the hostages are still alive. let's go to our phil black now. herein lies the problem. the jordanian government doesn't know if they have a living hostage with which they can trade. >> that's right, victor. the jordanian authorities expressed willingness to make the trade. they will release this failed female bomber if isis provides proof of life, evidence that they're down there pilot is alive and well, proof of his physical well-being. so far there's been no response from this on isis.

the jordanian authorities made this request before the ted ldee passed. it was sunset thursday night. that's when they wanted the trade to take place on the turkish-syrian border. they may request for proof of life before that. they received only ominous silence. that's how it has been since the passing of that deadline for more than 24 hours now. so there as. a lot of anxiety about the fate of those two hostages. >> phil, what is the level of communication now between the japanese government and isis? is there still an open line of communication between the two? >> all indications point to the jordanian authorities leading the negotiations. very much taking the lead on this. the japanese government says it is doing all they possibly can. but it would seem very much in a secondary role, sideline to a significant degree. i think largely because of regional and cultural differences. it is the jordanians who are

taking the lead. it is also the jordanians that have to come through with the delivery of this prisoner. theret ones ta they're the ones talking about making the exchange. they're not pleased about handing over this suicide bomber for the japanese journalist. they also want to receive that downed jordanian air force pilot as well. and so far, isis has not said that they're willing to make that swap. the latest messages point to a direct swap. the journalist for the suicide bomber and they will not kill the air force pilot. it is simply securing the on going life of the air force pilot. it is the jordanian that's want more than that. they want the release of the pilot. they also say they came to work with japan and help that journalist get his freedom as well. >> and even in this silence in the waiting, isis is capitalizing on not communicating by having the entire world wait for them to

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we're following the fate two of hostages, isis threatened to kill both of them. we do not know this morning whether they're alive or dead. >> also, chilling new information about the deadly attack on a kosher market in paris. a u.s. intelligence official tells cnn the isis follower who gunned down four people recorded part of that vicious attack using a gopro camera attached to his body and then e-mailed it. intelligence officials now are trying to determine who received it. >> outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel makes a stunning revelation to barbara star. >> he confirms he felt pressure from the white house to release terror suspects faster from gitmo. let's get more details on this from barbara. good morning. >> i began by asking secretary

hagel about whether it was the right thing to do to transfer five gitmo detainees to get sergeant bowe bergdahl back. and then an extraordinary moment of candor. >> not everyone at the white house agreed with me. >> on what part of this? >> probably on the pace of releases. >> because you've been cautious? >> because i have the responsibility and i play my own game here and that is by law i am the one, the one official in government charged with certification of releasing detainees. i take that responsibility very seriously. >> you have had pressure? >> we've had a lot of conversations. >> what he's talking about here is pressure from the white house to release more detainees and release them faster. >> all right, barbara star,

thank you. >> let's talk about this a little more with retired lieutenant colonel and pentagon correspond bob mcguinness and general spider marks. thank you so much. lieutenant colonel, i want to start with you. what is your response to what you just heard here? that hagel says the white house was pressuring him to release guantanamo detainees faster? >> the reality is the president from the very beginning of this administration said he wanted to close guantanamo bay. therefore, you have to find a mechanism in which you transfer those people and, of course, with yemen falling apart, it makes it more difficult. a lot of the detainees are from yemen. but sending people back to quatar which is an ally in some areas, may be -- we can understand. that but pressure, yes. our national security council, they're political appointees for most part. of course mr. hagel as he said in your interview with barbara

star, he is the guy that has to certify this. he didn't want them going back to the battlefield and killing our soldiers. it's a really tough decision mr. hagel and the nsc has the president's orders. >> all right. i want to talk policy if i can for just a moment. reporters pressed the white house about the bowe bergdahl transfer. was it different if the way that jordan is trying to negotiate a hostage release with isis. take a listen. >> the taliban is an armed insurgen insurgency. isis is a terrorist group. we don't make concessions to terrorist groups. >> i don't think the taliban -- the taliban is an armed insurgency. this is a winding down of the war in afghanistan. that's why this arrangement was dealt. >> okay. this raises a lot of eyebrows, general marks. the white house won't call the taliban a terrorist group even though as reporters reported out

there, they are still conducting terrorist attacks. is there a double standard there? do you consider the taliban, too, a terrorist group? >> oh, of course, christie. chairing the sergeant bowe bergdahl release and the jordanian pilot and possible swap that might take place is really is a difference without a distinction. there really is no difference between those two. the real discussion is that something we want to do? we have historical precedent. the real issue in my mind is what are the conditions under which the prisoner swap is going to take place and as bob indicated, when they went -- when the five went to qutar, we should have made the conditions they wore in qutar would have been owner yos that they would have gone back to gitmo. again, look, we have about 130

prisoners in gitmo. this is a drop in the bucket. these are incredibly bad drops in a bucket. so we can close gitmo but we have to ensure that where these prisoners go we can track, we can maintain persistent stare on their activity and adjust behavior accordingly. we have the ability to do that. we just chose not to. bad decision in in a regard. >> lieutenant colonel, how do we do that? are you confident it will be done? >> not necessarily. the reality is a lot of the allies that these detainees and countries they come from are not terribly dependable. yemen is a failed state. you know, are you going to send some of the people back to afghanistan? perhaps. you know, it's certainly a troubled state. pakistan, we haven't had a good relationship with the pakistanis in terms of discovering that al

qaeda leadership like osama bin laden, there are a lot of these people that, you know, may be too old to go back to the battle. they're going to be recruiters or do something to help the fight. so this is very troubling for the united states. now you can always bring them to this country and, of course, you'd have habeas corpus issues and all sorts of rights issues that are all of a sudden triggered. that is a troubling issue for this organization and the u.s. military and many of our allies. >> thank you so much to both of you. you're insight is so valuable to us. thank you. stay with us though here. we do have more questions for you. >> certainly do. we want to get to colonel mcguinness' take on this specifically. the new information surfacing about the shooter at that kosher del deli in paris. he recorded the killings and sent it to someone. we'll fwauk who he may have sent

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on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come. officials say this gunman recorded himself shooting three of the four hostages in the kosher del gi in paris. he had a gopro camera strapped to him. he sent the video before he was killed. investigators are trying to figure out who received it. we have lieutenant colonel bob mcguinness with us. officials say he probably sent it to an individual and not a tradition alameda outlet. what is the value of that. what do you glean from sending it to a person?

>> isis which is what he is allegedly aligned with was probably going to reuse that for recruiting purposes. after all, victor, they're very effective, very sophisticated in terms of social media. even general joe batel told thus week that he staggering the number of recruits they got around the world. for some people, bizarre and morbid as it may be this is very attractive. they pull a lot of the dead beats from across the world to the battlefield and that's what isis needs to really to continue operations. >> beyond the recruiting and the propaganda value possibly going to show up on the website sometime soon, is there strategic value in this video for future attacks possibly? >> well, it certainly will point out, you know, techniques and procedures that perhaps he learned during his training.

but it's to be seen. if they use it for that purpose, as i suspect they will, then new recruits are going to say okay, this is what he did right. this is what he did wrong. and the mentors are going to guide the new trainees. that's, i think, one of the best uses perhaps isis will use of this particular video. >> yeah. bizarre and morbid is right. colonel mcguinness, thank you so much. >> thanks, victor. >> still to come, tackling some pretty tough questions. it was not a good year. a lot of controversy for the nfl. commissioner roger goodell and he faced the media. we'll talk about that conversation. also, a deadly building collapse in taiwan. this wasn't a home. it wasn't a government building. it was on the set of the latest martin scorsese film.

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kickoff to super bowl xlix is less than 36 hours away. this is university of phoenix stadium. and with millions of people tuning into the big game, maybe a billion people around the world, all eyes are on nfl commissioner roger goodell. >> yeah. in the nfl's state of the league address, he he was pressed hard on the recent controversies including the league's handling of domestic violence allegations, conflicts of interest and for the first time addressing the deflate-gate controversy. let's bring in andy shoals who was there yesterday. i got to tell you, he had to walk into a pretty tough crowd

yesterday. what was the mood like? >> you know what? when goodell comes to the press conferences, he is usually pretty confident. usually he's the one dictating. he seemed a little bit nervous yesterday. i will have to say. he made an option statement. he acknowledged many things. he did say they made a lot of progress and he's excited about the future of the nfl. once that opening statement ended and the questions started flowing, well then goodell had to play defense. >> it has been a tough year. it's been a tough year on me personally. >> saying nfl commissioner roger goodell's job this season has been tumultuous is an understatement. from the ray rice domestic abuse issue to other issues, he's been under fire for months, some even calling for his resignation. latest issue facing the league is deflategate which goodell addressed on friday. >> this is my job.

i represent 32 teams. all of us want to make sure that rules are being followed. if we have information that potential of the rules are violated, i have to pursue that. i have to pursue that aggressively. >> all the off the field issues this season cast a shadow over the nfl's image and that is something that goodell plans on fixing. >> we obviously as an organization have gone through adversity but more importantly, it's been adversity for me. that is something we take seriously. it's an opportunity to get better. so we've all done a lot of soul searching. >> the way goodell and the league office handled investigations like domestic violence cases have drawn criticism from many and cnn asked the commissioner if there is a better way to conduct the investigations. >> one of the issues have in common is a conflict of interest. when you do something like hire an outside investigator like ted

wells into the patriots investigation, you're still paying him and robert kraft who owns the patriots still paying you. what steps can you take in the future to mitigate some the conflict of interest issues? >> rachael, i don't agree with you in a lot of the assumptions you make in your question. i think we've had people that have uncompromising integrity. we have done an excellent job of bringing outside consultants in. somebody has to pay them, rachael. so unless you're volunteering, which i don't think you are, we will do that. >> guys, rachael asked that question because robert muller who they put in charge of the ray rice investigation, well, you know, his law firm has done business with the league. they helped negotiate the tv deals and then ted wells who is investigating deflategate right now, he was paid about it league to handle the miami dolphins bullying standal. that's why some say there is a conflict of interest and that's why rachael had that back and forthright there. >> yeah.

it didn't make him too happy. but she got an answer from him which was important. and i understand that he was asked if there was any scenario where cohen vision his need to resign. yes? >> that's right. he said, no. and then he laughed and said does that surprise you? and then he basically said, you know, it's always up to the 32 nfl owners. his job is basically to please them. they decide -- and someone even asked him would you take a pay cut? he said it's up to the league owners. there is no way that he is going to step down and resign his job as the nfl commissioner. >> all right. andy, thank you so much. enjoy your time out there. >> all right. >> from the heart of super bowl central in downtown phoenix, rachael nichols is teaming up with dan marino for the kickoff in arizona. that airs at 4:30 p.m. eastern here on cnn. >> new england's slammed for the second time this week and more snow is on the way. a look at the timing and who else could be hit by another winter storm. also coming up at the tom of p e

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an argument. suge knight's lawyer said he feared for his life. now knight is being held on $2 million bond and is expected to go before a judge on monday. >> and one person is dead, two others injured after an accident on the set of martin scorsese's latest movie. this happened after parts of a building used for scenery collapsed. workers were repairing a building after it was deemed unsafe. that film, a story about two jesuit priests in japan is in production in taiwan right now. >> here's the one we've been waiting for. tmz reports that floyd mayweather has agreed to fight manning pacquiao. the two fighters have been trying to hammer out a deal for several years. nothing ever came together. website reports the two will square off on may 2nd in las vegas. >> las vegas. a lot of people in the northeast would like to be in las vegas right now. >> yes. i'm sure it isn't too warm there, just no snow. >> exactly. i can't believe we're talking about another major snowstorm

for the midwest. let's get right to meteorologist who has been following this. >> yeah. this one is headed for the midwest and then into the northeast. so they have two to three feet of snow on the ground. we have wind chills below zero. and i have another storm coming. >> las vegas, here we come! >> yes. >> i'm not very popular this week. >> it's not your fault. >> well, you know, just the messenger here. more snow this morning across boston, two to three inches. this is just bonus from the last storm here. this is not even a big storm here. but the big story now or the temperatures, look at the wind chills. factor in the wind. it feels like minus ten in boston. feels like a goose egg in new york. this is the next storm we're tracking. this is bringing snow to the midwest and we are going to be talking about snow as well for portions of the northeast. winter storm warnings posted for new mexico and then we go into iowa. look there, chicago included. now into the winter storm warnings. five to ten inches of snowfall there in the next 24 to 48 hours. a good chunk of real estate now

included in winter storm watches. yes, new york, that is you. providence, heading into boston as well. this would be for sunday night and into monday for the accumulations. let's track it for you. we head through sunday. by the way, if you're tailgating, you're going to be doing so with snow across the midwest. and then eventually this is a storm that is going to move in to the northeast for monday. that's when we're talking about potential for up to a foot of additional snowfall in boston. can you imagine? >> can't get any colder. that just gives people more of an excuse to drink a little bit more. >> you have that in new england. >> do you think they need an excuse to drink? >> i just sayin'. >> it's sunday. let's go for it. >> ivan, thank you so much. we do have a lot of news to tell you about this morning. >> next hour of your "new day" starts right now.

isis fighters launch a surprise attack on a major city that is rich in oil. the u.s. military killed a chemical weapons expert in an air strike near mosul. >> and chuck hagel says u.s. troops could be needed on the front lines in iraq. in a cnn exclusive, he also gets candid about pressure from the white house over transferring detainees out of guantanamo bay. >> and protecting the super bowl. law enforcement not taking any chances with the tens of thousands of people headed to the big game. we'll take you live to phoenix. >> we are always so glad to have your company this morning. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. we have new video of isis fighters on the war path in northern iraq. look. they're heading to kirkuk and they vow there will be a lot of beheadings, even more chilling, they're grinning and boasting about killing victims like -- in

their words, "dogs in the street." the heavily armed militants launched a surprise attack that captured this oil rich city. kurdish fighters are trying to fend them off. but isis militants admit of kob syria. phil, tell us more about what the isis fighters are saying about why they pulled out of kobani. >> well, they say, victor, it does come down to those u.s. led coalition air strikes. and there is really not too much doubt they had a significant impact on fighting there. late last year when we were at the border watching isis advance on kobani, they were moving incredibly quickly. it looked like they would take the city within days. fighters on the ground were pleading desperately for air strikes to help them. when it came, it made really a significant difference. it slowed down that isis advance. and over the weeks and months since, it has been responsible

it's estimated for killing hundreds of isis fighters to the point where they have now decided the losses are simply too great to maintain that offensive on that city. in case there is any doubt now about just why they have pulled back, take a listen to an isis fighter speaking from that location just on the outskirts of he coukobani. >> i swear by god, the planes did not leave the air day and knight. they did air strikes all day and night. they targeted everything. they even attacked motor cycles. they haven't left a building standing but by god willing, we will return and we will have our revenge multiplied. >> so isis fight tler describing relentless air strikes killing many of their colleagues. another key development that really maud a difference is kurdish fighters crossing across turkish territory into that syrian city to help those

kurdish fighters who are frying to hold the town. worth noting that those isis fighters are describing this pullback as temporary. they say they are still committed to taking kobani. >> well, phil, let me ask you, you hear from that mill tanlt that they will go back to take kobani or attempt to take kobani. considering the u.s. commitment will be the same to protect this city, is there any indication whether they will have additi additional resources to go in and take it once and for all? >> not in the short term you wouldn't think. what it does hinge on is continued willingness by the united states and it's allies to maintain those air strikes against kobani. initially, kchl obani was not a priority for that air campaign. they were looking to degrade the capability in other areas. the long term mission to really degrade and wind back that isis capability to take and hold ground. that's the next phase.

now having stopped that advance on kobani, it is about that steady degradation of the logistical capabilities and ability to really take whole ground and create that islamic state. >> phil black on the turkish side of the border, phil, thanks. >> now fighting in iraq intensifies, there is this big question that remains, will u.s. troops be sent back to the front lines? during an exclusive interview with cnn, defense secretary chuck hagel said the option is still on the table. our pentagon correspondent barbara star has more for us. >> i asked secretary hagel if he thought it was possible, a small number of u.s. troops might get sent to the front lines in iraq to help iraqi combat troops do things like picking out targets. he made clear it's an idea that cannot yet be ruled out. >> he said to his combatant commanders, sefkly general dempsey, if you believe and you

want to recommend, you think you need to recommend to me to the president that we should look at other options, then i want you to bring those recommendations to me. that so far has not happened. whether that would happen in the future, again, the president has said to his commanders, if you think this is what's going to be required, i need to know it. you need to make the recommendation. and i'll listen. >> what do you think? >> well, i think just as the president said and the advice i have given the president is what general dempsey has is that we have to look at all the options. and i think it may require a forward deployment of some of our troops, not doing the fighting, not doing the combat work that we did at one time for six years in iraq and we did for many, many years in afghanistan. but to help air strike

precision, locate -- >> intelligence -- >> -- those are things we can continue to support. we're not there yet. whether we get there or not, i don't know. whether that's something that our military commanders would recommend into the future, i don't know. but i think just as the president has made clear, i need to know your honest opinion and he's been very forthright about that. what you think. if that is something you think is required. >> but you're saying you think it could be necessary? >> it could be. but i'm not willing to say that it will be necessary. i say it could be necessary. >> hagel leaves office in a few days but his view is one that is shared by some current military commanders. barbara star, cnn, the pentagon. we want to bring in our global affairs analyst james reese, lieutenant colonel reese, thank you so much.

do you believe that the u.s. should send in troops? >> good morning. right now we already have troops on the ground. if you mirror what secretary hagel says, we don't know yet. i think the u.s. forces and the coalition is gaining success in iraq. we're helping the iraqis enabling them to do what they have. we're seeing that up the euphrates river valley -- i'm sorry, the tigris river valley. they have gained back land. we have isolated isis inside mosul. what i do believe is when the iraqis go into mosul because the large city and all the possibilities and collateral damage the iraqis want that air support. >> we talked about how isis is pulling back from kobani but

says it is a long term solution. we know that isis is intent on continuing this fight. >> there's no question. i believe there has to be a diplomatic discussions with the coalition. i believe it needs to be led by the arabic senior leaders, the saudis, iraqis, jordanians, they need to get some people and that will happen when the senior leadership either gets killed or captured during this fight. right now in iraq, they're doing the right thing. they're concentrating combat power. i think after mosul, they'll look to turn west. this is not going anywhere any time soon. >> you mentioned diplomatic discussions. do you really think that's

possible with this brutal group that isis has shown itself to be? there are back channel discussions going on with people on the fringes and, again, may not necessarily be from the u.s. side. but we have a very strong coalition of the arab states. >> all right. lieutenant colonel james reese, always appreciate your insight. thank you for being with us. >> thanks. >> we talked this morning about this potential swap involving japan and jordan and isis. but we stril no idea if the two hostages taken by isis are dead or alive. but ahead, we're going to talk about what is really at stake. and what the terror group's true motives might be. also, we're going to take you live to maine. another round of winter weather is about to hit all of you in the northeast. we're so sorry to say.

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there is no word on the fate of these two hostages. one is a jordanian pilot, the other a japanese journalist. >> they've been in negotiations over a possible prisoner swap. but we are still waiting this hour to see if anything is going to happen with that. cnn's will rippley has more for us from tokyo. >> more than a day after this latest apparent isis deadline, here's where we stand right now. there are still no answers about the fate of those two hostages. the japanese journalist and the jordanian pilot, there are also serious questions about isis' true intentions here.

do they really want to negotiate? do they really want that prisoner exchange in exchange for the safe return of the pilot and the journalist? or do they have a different motive here? are they trying to bend the will of two key u.s. allies? jordan and japan? are they trying to put the countries against each other. are they really serious about all of this? or do they just want to drag this process on, stay in the headlines as long as possible and legitimatize themselves in a global view at a time when they are under some serious pressure from repeated coalition air strikes. their numbers are down. they've had key territory taken away from them. then there is, of course, the question about what is going to happen to these two hostages. both of their families have been speaking out. both families in agony right now. got ox's wife said he received

e-mails from the terror group telling her that she herself has to expose their propaganda to the world or that her husband will be isis' next victim. there are also rising tensions with protests outside king abdullah's palace increasing dissatisfaction among his people about how all of this is being handled. and so many questions right now about how this is going to end as we wait to learn what isis' next move will be. will rippley, cnn, tokyo. >> all right, will, thank you so much. coming up next hour, we will talk to a terrorism expert who will explain how kidnapping and ransom can be big business for some terror groups. we're learning new details about what could have been a major disaster. a jetblue flight nearly crashes into a small plane as it's preparing for landing. we'll have a live report for you. >> plus, officials are playing some tough defense when it comes to keeping fans safe at tomorrow's super bowl. how they're getting prepped next.

this could have been a major disaster. a jetblue flight nearly crashes into a small plane as it prepared for a landing. >> we learned that this jet was headed from orlando to west chester county airport in new york. the faa is investigating now. >> let's bring in cnn national reporter nick valencia. what do we know about how this happened? >> this happened last week, last sunday. we're just finding out about it now. new details emerging about this very scary. could have been really bad. we know that this flight, jetblue flight 94 was taking off if orlando on its way to white plains, new york, and on its

dissension, the alarm system, the collision warning system goes off indicating that a small plane was heading right towards it. now passengers told local media that the jetblue flight shot up in a defensive maneuver and they could hear the audible swoosh of the plane going underneath it. they are investigating. this the faa releasing a statement to cnn. i want to read part of that saying "that pilot of the smaller aircraft inside received at lert and then climbed in response to the alert. the general aviation flight was operating under visual flight rules and was not required to commune air traffic controllers." they are investigating and launching their own internal investigation. we're lrng more details about. this we're trying to reach out to the passengers on this plane. fwhaut audible swoosh, it came so close right underneath that plane. >> this is a lot of people's worse fears. you look at the map of how many planes are out there. you this think how do they not? >> and from the sounds of it, if

that statement, everyone technically was doing the right thing. >> you wonder if this incident is going to change things, change the way things are done. >> it is a serious conversation. >> we're working on details for next hour. >> meanwhile this has been the scene for most of the week in maine. look at this. trouble on the roads. mounds of snow everywhere. and it appears there will be more of the same over the next few hours as move winter weather moves into the northeast. let's bring in sarah gannon who is live in portland, maine. >> a little breezy, yeah. let's start with good news which is that it is stopped snowing in new england finally. at least for a little bit. the bad news is that today is all about those wind chills and this brutal cold in the northeast. several northeast cities are going to be around zero or below zei zeier yoe when you factor in the

wind chill. bridgeport, connecticut, 3, burlington, vermont, 1. new york, 8. portland where i am standing right now, the low is 11 right now. it's about 15 but with this wind chill, victor, its about negative 2 feeling. my face is most certainly colder than it was earlier this week during the blizzard. you know, there's a lot of snow around me already. when i talked to the mayor about back to back snowstorms that really present a challenge for this city, there is another one potentially coming through here. several more inches of snow sunday into monday. take a listen to what he said about that. >> that's why we've had baparki bans to allow the crews to go in and remove the snow. but every time when you tun to have snow coming down, it is a challenge to find a place to put it. but, you know, last year we were rated as one of the seven best cities in the united states for snow removal. so we're kind of used to this.

and we're working on it really hard. the crews deserve enormous amount of thanks and appreciation because they've done a great job. >> so whether he talks about snow removal, victor, and the challenges that presents, he is talking about big plow piles like this one. they're all over the it is why of portland. i see crews racing. they're racing to get rid of this snow. put it into dump trucks and ship it out. when they get more snow and they're going to get more snow, they have to have a place to get that snow and get it off the streets. and if all of this snow that you can see around me is still here, that's going to present a safety problem for the roads. victor. >> big job. very cold morning. you make it look great. doesn't look a degree below 30. thank you very much. >> still ahead, how do you keep

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the game is 36 hours away. defense will be key on the field but also off the field. of course, we're learning this after calls for more lone wolf terror attacks against the u.s. and questions about cybersecurity. while there is no specific threat, thousands of federal and local police officers will be on hand at the super bowl. joining us now live from super bowl central in phoenix is cnn correspondent andy shoals. andy, what has the security presence been like there on the ground? >> victor, you walk around in downtown phoenix, you can't go far without seeing some sort of security. nearly 50 federal, state and local agencies are collaborating to make this a safe event headed by the department of homeland

security. you know when we've gone to events and metal detectors and had pat downs. it's the same thing they're going to do at the game on sunday. the numbers out there of how many security are here are pretty impressive. over 4,000 security personnel are working this weekend along with every single member of the phoenix police department. the chief of police said no one is taking any time off during this week. it's all hands on deck this week. you can definitely tell there's been no credible threat according to the department of homeland security. but they're not taking any chances, victor. >> all right. andy shoals there for us at super bowl central. we'll talk to you a little later in the morning. so how do you keep thousands of fans safe in the big game? >> cnn's stephanie eliam takes us inside the securi e the prep. what don't we see? >> the seahawks and patriots are busy preparing for battle, teams of law enforcement are focused on security in and around the event. but at least 72,000 people expected here in the university

of phoenix stadium for super bowl xlix, and thousands more coming to the phoenix area that is no easy task. so security is everywhere. from helicopters and crowds to bomb-sniffing dogs on the ground, agents from the local and federal level are watching super bowl revellers for any suspicious activity. the department of homeland security directing personnel and resources from customs and border protection, the secret service and fema to the area. >> i'm confident that we will have a safe and secure and successful event on sunday. >> reporter: at the stadium, every bag will be checked and every person screened. vehicles entering the parking lot will be scanned. and individuals without the proper tickets or credentials won't be allowed on the premises. last year the super bowl was the most watched tell vugs event in history. that fact alone can make the game a prime target for terrorists. but law enforcement is working to stay several steps ahead. and jay johnson says while there

is no credible threat against the super bowl, all of the provisions are to ensure everyone's safety so that the big story remains the big game. cnn, glendale, arizona. all right. let's bring in cnn security analyst tom fuentes now. let's start with the fbi who spoke to pamela brown at the command center where they'll be monitoring the game. >> leading up to the super bowl, knowing all that's out there, all the chatter. i mean are you concerned at all? how do you feel leading into a big event like this? >> the fbi, again in, conjunction with the intelligence community and state and local partners, we look at all events across the country, public venue that's could be a target. small, medium, large. and in particular, an event like the super bowl is a concern. so we begin planning and preparing months in advance. >> tom, considering this new lone wolf environment, is there

a greater domestic threat at big events like the super bowl. or is the threat the same as it was over the past few years? >> well, victor, i think the threat has been high for a long time at all of these type of events. the fbi has permanent units that address all the special events year round. i mean you go from one to the other. and they overlap. right now we're planning on the super bowl. the fbi already has people working on the indianapolis 500 in may. they're already working on, you know, the next inauguration, the next fourth of july, the next major event. wherever tens of thousands of people gather, the threat is there that somebody is going to want to disrupt it and possibly kill some of at tendees. so this is an on going effort 2sh 24/7, every day of the year. good tom, i'm not sure if you read it, but our national security analyst has an opinion piece on cnn.com. she starts it with "i know how

to have a perfectly safe super bowl, don't have a super bowl. because the reality is that perfect security is simply not attainable." and that needs to be part of this conversation that you can do everything you can to try to mitigate the threat. but there is always that threat and possibility. >> well, there always is. and some events are more easily contained than others. the super bowl is a fixed site. everybody is going to attend is going to be in one building. and pretty much one parking lot around the building and a couple of hotels near that. it is some ways an easier event to control than say the boston marathon that juliet was, you know, reporting on where you have 26 miles of roadway to try to keep an eye on all parts of that road. so i think, you know, every major event, if we want to let the terrorists win, we'll stop having any major event. stop riding on public transportation. stop going to churches, synagogues, mosques. i mean we can fold our tent and just say they win.

>> of course, that's not going to happen. we have to find a way to keep moving on. you know that this is a new reality. how big a threat are drones to events like this? most likely there will be good weather and the roof will be open. >> it depends on the threat. some mastermind can figure out how to combine the explosives with the device to fly in there. we had this before. there was a plot in 2011 where an individual had a model airplane that had a 10 foot wing span and was capable of carrying 50 pound of explosives. his plan was to fly it into the capitol dome in washington and then he and five other gunmen with ak-47s were going to shoot down all of the people evacuating the capitol building. it's not the first time that someone thought up the use of a drone if you will to rain some

terrorist act down. and, of course, we're using drones and there are threats from isis and from taliban and pakistan saying, look, you're using drones on us in pakistan, in yemen and other places. we'll use them on you. that's partst problem here. zbh we know that authorities are trying to make this. we've seen the promotion of the super bowling, no drone zone. tom fuentes, thank you for talking with us. >> thank you, victor. we want to give you a programming reminder. our rachael nichols teams up with dan marino for cnn's kickoff in arizona. it airs to day at 4:30 p.m. eastern on cnn. the recent measles outbreak is not just california's problem anymore. it's spread to several other states now including a college in new york city. we just confirmed this new development. we'll have more next. mitt romney says he's not going to run for president in 2016. so has his decision reset the

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to 91 with 54 cases now linked to the outbreak at disneyland specifically. that outbreak has spread to 14 states as you see on the map there. tom foreman is taking a look at how you can catch this highly infectious disease. >> we all know that if you're on something like a plane or a bus or a train and somebody near you were to sneeze and they had measles, you have a real chance of being exposed to the measles virus. but a study from mit last year found that actually much worse than. that if i were seated on a plane like this and somebody way in the back sneezed, the truth is that virus now can travel in sort of invisible clouds of microdroplets all the way up to where i am seated here. and what is more, despite the fact that planes have a lot of systems to filter the air, if the virus stays in the air, it can viable for two hours. fit lands in the backs of arm wrests or on chairs, same thing.

and that's a real problem. if you are not safe against this disease, you have a 90% chance of getting it just by being in the same place. because it is a highly infectious disease. >> tom foreman, thank you so much. doesn't make you feel better, does it? >> no, it doesn't. we saw how easy it is to catch. let's get into the facts with a doctor. he is associate director at emory vaccine senter in atlanta. so let's start with this. we know there is a big game tomorrow. tens of thousands of people at the university of phoenix stadium. there is now measles in arizona. of course, there will be people from around the country. how intimate does this contact need to be and how dangerous is it for these people? >> clearly the closer the contact, the more concern about it. the biggest thing is to try to ensure you're immune. and we recommend that children get two doses of measles containing vaccine.

there are disseminators, people who cough a lot and get it into the air. i remember an outbreak i helped investigate in the 1980s in atlanta. children who came into a pediatrician's office an hour after a case left got the disease. but the vaccine is highly effective. the point is to make sure you're immune. >> the conversation has been going on for a few days about whether some parents don't believe their kids should get the vaccination. i want to play some sound from a father of two who refuses to vak sin y vk sin ate his two young sons and then we'll talk about it. >> what i'm opposed to is the fact that we're injecting chemicals into our children. this is aluminum, mercury, sometimes aborted fetal proteins, antibiotics in there. we're doing something that is totally foreign and totally unnatural to our children. we're experimenting on our children. our children have the right to

get infections. we have immune systems for that purpose. as the doctor previously said, there were millions of cases rarely did anybody die from this. these are typically benign childhood conditions. we cannot sterilize the body. we cannot sterilize our society. >> aborted fetal proteins, any truth to what he is saying? >> i think it's an exaggeration. we do know is that measles is a serious disease. 400 to 500 people used to die every year in the united states before we had vaccine. complications are common. ear infections, pneumonia, diarrhea, and the kids who get it are very toxic. it starts out luke a small cold. so that's where it gets spread a lot. they're not very sick. and then fevers can get as high as 103 to 105 degrees. the children are retoxic. vaccines are really weaken at the measles vaccine is just a

weakened virus. it doesn't cause disease. but it prepares your immune system. your immune system is like an army. it detects the enemy and prevents it from invading and killing cells. and that's what the vaccine does. it prepares that army so it's not overwhelmed by the virus. >> how do we stamp it out this time? >> the big issue is we need to get people to get vaccinated. the way the virus spreads is if i have the virus, i have to find a susceptible. if i don't find this susceptible during my contagious period which is about eight days, then the virus will die out. and that's why we have been so successful until recently as we've been able to keep the immunity levels up. >> yeah. now in 14 states and we had the news this morning just in to cnn that it spread to baird college in new york. so many people together tomorrow at the super bowl. we talked about the security

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but the body of a dachshund. someone called the humane society reporting a stray, okay. they weren't sure what it was. one of our producers met this odd dog and despite the unusual appearance, he says he's quite nice. >> and looking for a home. just so you know. which is the main point there. cute dog though. looks happy. >> looks happy. >> very cute. okay. let's talk about serena williams. she beat maria sharapova to win the australian open earlier. this is williams' 19th grand slam win, also her sixth australian open title. share a po va beat williams back in 2004. >> been a while. >> it has. >> so this isis follower who terrorized a kosher supermarket in paris and gunned down innocent shoppers recorded the horrible attack using a go pro

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54 minutes past the hour. let's talk politics. mitt romney announced he doesn't want it. not running for president. there are a lot of other republicans, though, still thinking about jumping into the ring.

chris christie, jeb bush, marco rubio, rand paul, let's bring in chris moody. chris, we look at this list, these are pretty hefty names here. does romney's decision help one of these potential candidates? >> i think it helps quite a bit of them, particularly i think jeb bush who is doing a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering with big time donors, just in the past couple weeks, from our reporting at cnn, romney was taken aback by how quickly jeb was moving and so he looked into running and decided that it just wasn't his time. but it also opens up an opportunity for some of these other candidates. right, it's going to be a really deep bench, a hard fight for the republican nomination this year. you've got a lot of powerful sitting governors and members of congress coming in with chris christie, this opens up more opportunities for him to go after big dollar donors where before it could have been just jeb bush and mitt romney duking it out over that donler class.

>> so let's talk about jeb bush for a second. did he get the support romney was looking for, at the end of the day when you say that romney decided to bail out. we know that a former romney official has been chosen as bush's campaign manager. do you think more romney camp folks are going to move over to him? >> i think you'll start to see that but not just to jeb bush. you're going to see old romney hands moving to several of the other candidates, i would imagine, chris christie will be pushing not only for those consultants but also for those donors. remember, right now we're in the period of the primary that's all going on behind closed doors. these possible candidates are making maneuvers and new york city looking for donors. in iowa looking for the top consultants and in new hampshire in the early voting states so we're in that period it's kind of the shadow primary and it's going to kick into public high gear up here later in the spring and early summer. >> there is no doubt hillary clinton looks to be the most

popular democratic candidate for 2016. if she decides to run, you've got so many contenders for the republican ticket, will the battle for the nomination itself end up hurting the final candidate in the end do you think? >> this is going to be the tricky part. how do the republicans choose a nominee without tearing down the one who ultimately becomes the nominee. this was a problem for romney in 2012 when he had to fight these internal battles for months, and then once he was ready to battle barack obama for the general election, he was battered and beaten. it was really tough for him. and not only taking it in the public eye, but also on fundraising. so i think what the republicans have tlly done, the republican party is contracted the primary calendar to make it tight and clean, that way they could have it all ready early in the summer in 2016 so they can face whoever the democratic nominee is. but if hillary clinton does get

in she has a much smoother path to the rom nations than the republicans do. >> but talk to me about the timeline. hillary clinton herself hasn't come out and said yes, i am running, this is my goal. by what point do these candidates need to make their intentions known? in order to keep the momentum going. >> very good question and it's something that they are -- their consultants are looking into. thels announcements are finely timed. right now they are choosing their language carefully. saying i'm thinking about possibly running which means they can still raise money for these pacs that they put together, and they are not under the campaign finance restrictions of when they officially are candidates. and a lot of them have decided from what we're hearing right now, that possibly late spring is about the right time that they want to kick it into the really high gear and announce that official campaign for the presidency. >> we heard rumbling there was a dinner planned between chris

christie and mitt romney. is that an indication to you that romney may throw his support behind christie? >> you know, if you gave a careful read to mitt romney's statement to his close supporters yesterday, it really was not perfectly clear if he would put his support behind someone. from what we've heard romney has had meetings, phone calls and possibly face-to-face dinners with a lot of these potential candidates. so i think it's going to be interesting. i don't think he is going to put his support behind someone immediately. i think it might take time. >> all right. chris moody, so appreciate your perspective. thank you for being with us. >> we're going to talk more about that statement later this morning. he says is there any scenario which i could come back into this race? unlikely. not a no. >> it's never definitive in politics. i think we're learning that. >> the door is open a bit. >> stay with us. we have a lot more coming up. >> the next hour of your "new day" starts right now.

scary moments in a french kosher grocery store, now new word that this deadly attack was recorded and worse yet may have been shared. >> from the football field to the courtroom, aaron hernandez now on trial for murder, his defense team tries to show the nfl star in a very different light but the girlfriend of the man he is accused of killing, she has her own picture she's painting. >> 311 days, imagine it, in captivity. and it ends with a rescue by u.s. special forces. we sit down with a man who knows first-hand the hell two isis hostages are going through. >> it should be the a time for the nfl. its reputation as you know quite tarnished this stone. as football gets set to crown a champion. are better days ahead for the nfl? >> 8:00 on the dot, good morning. we appreciate your company. i'm christi paul.

>> i'm victor blackwell. first thing this morning the isis linked terrorist who attack add jewish deli in paris earlier taped himself gunning down the victims. amedi coulibaly was wearing a gopro camera. he recorded seven minutes including the shootings of three of the four victims. he died when police stormed that market but before that he e-mailed that video to someone. now intelligence officials want to know who received it. cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes joins us. an investigator says it's likely it was not sent to a traditional media outlet. is it possible it was sent to followers, to other accomplices? are wingy spekting to see it on one of these propaganda websites? >> i think it's probable it was sent to some accomplice or someone who would put it out, you know, to be used for propaganda. we already have the video that

some friend of his took and put out of him preparing for the attack, and so the actual attack itself now being recorded, that probably we're going to see that out there sooner or later. >> tom, you are a former fbi assistant director. how do intelligence officials go about figuring out where this video may have ended up? >> they will try to look at every method of communication he had to get information out of there. was he recording it, you know, was the gopro camera capable of direct video out, did he have to download it to some other machine or device or his iphone, and send it out that way. so they will be looking at what communications were going out of that building. they would have been trying to monitor it at the time as soon as they were able to set up on it. and then go back through the phone companies and see which service providers, which phone providers, internet providers, would have recorded some type of signal going out there, and then where it wept to would be the other issue. so once they know that something

was transmitted out of there, who received it. so that's you know, part of the work they are doing. the authorities of course if they have a copy of that video are not going to release it to the public. but isis certainly at some point will if they have it. >> how common is this recording and dissemination? >> i think we've seen every major murder isis committed they recorded it. and put it out. of course the media has not shown the final gruesome act of the beheading but the actual video of it is out there and the people that follow isis or want to follow isis and be radicalized certainly see these videos and have access to it. if this video is out there, in all of its gruesome detail of the initial murders when he took over the market, it's going to get out there and they will use it when they can. >> i'd imagine that you talk about the beheadings, that's -- separate the two central isis let's say, this is maybe a lone

wolf or someone who had some connection. i'd imagine there's some self agramdizing final memorial to one aels self by recording it. >> there is, but we've had these other plots where isis told followers to do gruesome acts. we had that in september this past year where isis wanted somebody in australia to kidnap somebody on the street right in front of that marketplace where the hostage incident later took place. and just take an innocent person from the public, behead that person, film it and send it out to the world. this would not be the first time isis has said to its followers or wannabe followers do a gruesome act whatever it may be, record it and we'll use it for propaganda. >> unfortunately if they follow that pattern we'll see that that will pop up somewhere online. hopefully, in their hopes of recruiting. thank you so much.

>> thank you. as we sit here together the deadline's come and gone and no word on a fate of two hostages held by isis right now. the terror group wants this female suicide bomber in exchange for the jordanian pilot and a japanese journalist. negotiations have been going on with the jordanian government we know and cnn's phil black is live in turkey with us. phil, you have new news on these negotiations? >> reporter: christie, it's coming up to 48 hours now since the passing of that isis declared deadline for that female suicide bomber or failed suicide bomber to be presented by the jordanian authorities at the turkish/syrian border near where i'm standing. in order to have that prisoner exchange take place. and since the passing of that deadline, there has been no public developments. there has been from isis only silence, they conducted much of their negotiation publicly through online videos.

that's how they made their demands, how they made their threats against these two men, the japanese journalist and the jordanian pilot. from the jordanian side they are still saying the government there says they are working as best they can, they are not saying publicly to what degree, there are back channel negotiations taking place. but they say ultimately they are ready and willing to make this exchange but the key requirement for proof of life, evidence that the pilot is still alive. that hasn't been met. without that they cannot proceed. >> there was one analyst saying no one's paid attention to this woman that isis wants to have back, that even her own tribe didn't want her. is there any indication as to why now after nine years they want her? >> reporter: it's one of the key questions of the last week or so as the saga unfolded. why this particular woman, why now and why in such a way. what's the end game here?

and there are various theories, one suggests it's an attempt to put pressure on the jordanian government, that government is under a great deal of pressure from the public to do much more, to do everything it can to try and secure that pilot's release. it has not been able to do so. so far. but if that is the game that isis is playing if that is the goal, it could easily backfire because the pilot's family is warning that in the event that the pilot is skild or has been killed then the rage of all of the jordanian people his relatives say will be turned against isis. >> and one more quick one. this is a woman who failed so to speak in her mission. is there a risk in sending her back to isis? in terms of her safety. does she want to go back? >> reporter: well, that's an interesting question. and one we can't answer easily. she has been in jordanian custody for some time now. she presumedly was committed to the jihadi cause given her willingness to take part in the

plot that did kill some 60 people in 2005. her suicide vest didn't detonate at the time. another theory perhaps about why isis is trying to get her back it would be a symbolic victory but also a powerful message if you like to their followers that despite the nine years that passed they haven't forgotten this woman, at the time she was acting as part of a plot conducted by al qaeda in iraq which was a precursor, earlier version of isis as it exists today. so, it would seem that isis is committed as we've been talking about to getting this woman back and doing so publicly and appears to be trying to send some sort of message in its efforts to do so. >> phil black, really appreciate the insight. thank you. in a few minutes i want to remind you we're talking with a man who knows first-hand what the hostages may be going through. roy spent the 311 terrifying days in captivity in iraq. he is joining us in a few moments.

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from football favorite to accused killer. jurors will return to court on monday to hear more testimony in the murder trial of former patriots player aaron hernandez. the prosecution argues hernandez not only orchestrated the killing of his friend odin lloyd but tried to cover it up. the defense paints a different picture. they say hernandez was a loving father planning his family's future. the susan candiotti has more for us. >> reporter: aaron hernandez' defense team comes out swinging in opening statements this week. asking why, why would such a promising outstanding young athlete kill his buddy odin lloyd? >> why would you kill his friend? aaron hernandez had the world at his feet. aaron hernandez was planning a future. not a murder. >> reporter: yet, testimony from odin lloyd's girlfriend who is also the sister of hernandez'

fiance, appears to question how close hernandez and lloyd really were. jenkins told the jury lloyd only knew hernandez about a year, the beginning stages of a friendship, that they smoked marijuana together, that lloyd sometimes made joints for the football player. as seen in this photo. cnn first showed it in its special report downward spiral. >> he showed me a picture of a bunch of them rolled up and stacked. >> when was that in relation to his death? >> right before sometime. >> reporter: for the second time in as many days emotion in the courtroom. jenkins wiping away tears and lloyd's mother leaves crying, when photos of lloyd's body with gun shots are shown. and on this super bowl weekend, a reprieve for the jury.

the judge telling them to enjoy watching the super bowl, but warning them to steer clear of any possible mention of aaron hernandez and by the way, he won't be allowed to watch his former teammates play in the big game because the jail where he is staying bans television for high security inmates. christie and victor. >> susan, thanks. >> let's bring in mel robbins and legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. good morning to you both. i want to ask what you make of this because she mentioned he can't watch the game but guess who can, the jury. the judge told them they can enjoy watching the super bowl, but that they should be vigilant. mel, do you think that should be allowed? >> you know, i don't think the football game has anything to do with this trial. and i don't think it's a problem. i'm glad she answered the question because my husband, christi and joey, asked me last

night if he is go be to be able to watch it. i said i'm not sure so i'm glad to hear if he is in jail on murder charges he ain't watching the super bowl, christi. >> this is the thing, joey. this is a lot of people staying a circumstantial case, with the evidence that the sneaker footprint, the traces of dna, the surveillance video. but there is no motive that we've heard of yet. yes? >> so you focus in on what the defense is going to focus on. good morning. at the end of the day, although motive doesn't have to be proven or otherwise established inquiring minds always want to know, why would he do this? why would aaron hernandez who aus heard the defense attorneys say has the world at his feet, $40 million contract, fiance, beautiful baby and he is going to kill oweden lloyd, his friend, really? it doesn't add up. so when you look at that, and you look at the circumstantial nature of the prosecution's case i think that's what the defense

is going to be rhyme for attack. though let's be clear about it, it may be circumstantial but it is evidence and it is very compelling. you pick someone up at 2:30 in the morning and they are dead an hour later and there are gun shots heard and you're walking around with a gun in your hand on surveillance tape at your home you know what, who else did it? that will say the prosecution. >> mel, we saw a little bit from lloyd's girlfriend yesterday. what about hernandez' fiance? are we going to hear from her? >> oh, you better believe we're going to hear from her. actually she's facing perjury charges, guys, she has been accused of lying to the grand jury in this case. and also prosecutors suspect she might be the one that got rid of the gun. here is what's interesting. in the state of massachusetts if you were in fact married during the moment when the crime was committed, you've got spousal immunity. what does that mean, you wouldn't have to testify against your spouse. however, these guys were only

engaged so she can be compelled to testify and i think what you're going to see is she's going to be deemed a hostile witness. she does not want to cooperate what so ever with the prosecution. she's not going to want to give them anything so they are going to be treating her in a manner where she's going to be hostile to the prosecution. she doesn't want to see her fiance go to jail amend just like joey said, this is a very, very circumstantial case. yes, four people went in and only three came out. but, they have no witness, they have no gun and no motive. despite what joey says, you don't need to prove it but motive is like gravy on mashed potatoes, it holds everything together. and if you don't have it, it makes the facts seem like they might not make a whole lot of sense. >> but one thing they do this, joey, is that video of him holding a gun. that surveillance video. you can't take that away once you've seen it. how powerful is that going to be? >> it's very powerful, christi.

they are pursuing a theory that being the prosecution, joint venture liability. what does that mean? it means they don't have to show the prosecution, that he pulled the trigger. they need only the prosecution to show that he was an active participant in that murder along with mr. wallace and mr. ortiz his other co-defendants tried separately. suggesting that you know what, he was -- the defense will say mere presence is not enough. maybe you say he was there, the evidence shows he was there but you can't show he was involved here. but then you look at the photo you mentioned christi, the surveillance video with the gun in his hand and not only that you look at his orchestration as the prosecution will say, texting his friends hey, meet up with me. texting odin lloyd, renting that car. so there is a lot for the defense to contend with despite the circumstantial nature of this case. >> very good point. mel robbins and joey jackson, so good to see both of you. >> have a great day.

>> you too. just days before he leaves office defense secretary chuck hagel sits down with cnn for an exclusive interview. why he says he felt pressure from the white house to release guantanamo bay detainees faster. you have to see this. he was held captive in iraq for 311 terrifying days. each day he wondered if he would live to see his family again. roy hallen shares his experience with us ahead. i love... listening to intriguing sounds when i drift off into my dreams. others might? ♪

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you. outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel makes a stunning revelation to barbara star admitting he felt pressure from the white house to release terror suspects faster from g git-mo. more from barbara. >> christi, victor, i began asking secretary hagel about whether it was the right thing to do to transfer five git-mo detainees to get sergeant bowe bergdahl back and then an extraordinary moment of candor. >> not everyone at the white house agreed with me. >> on what part of this? >> probably on the pace of releases. >> because you've been cautious? >> because i had the responsibility and i play my own game here, and that is because by law i am the one, the one official in government charged with certification of release of detainees. i take that responsibility very

seriously. >> have you had pressure? >> we've had a lot of conversations. >> what me's talking about here is pressure from the white house to release more detainees and release them faster. christi, victor. >> barbara, thanks. former fbi assistant director tom fuentes joins us now. anything about the kancandor ore content that surprised you? >> no. nothing surprises me. you have now a series of secretaries of defense under president obama basically say that they are in disagreement with what's coming out of the white house or feel the pressure or just they had enough, they either write books or do an interview in this case and say so. and i think it's pretty clear, there is a saying in washington, it's not where you stand on an issue it's where you sit. so if you're the president or an adviser to the president or a member of congress, you can

stand for the immediate closure of git-mo and get everybody out of there, and then when you are sitting in the chair of secretary of defense and you agree to let somebody out and you know or you find out later that they are back on the battlefield killing americans, that's pretty tough to live with. it's no longer just the hypothetical. it's a real consequence of a decision. >> hagel says that the bergdahl exchange was the right decision and bergdahl for five detakenees. but we learned that one of the detainees that was released in the deal may have returned to this militant activity. is that a failure on the part of the u.s. government, is it a failure on the part of the qatar government? >> if it's a failure it's on the u.s. because how can you trust other governments. we can't watch every bad guy in our own country. we certainly can't put it on qatar to -- this is your problem, you watch them for the

rest of their natural lives. i think the agreement was to keep an eye on them for about a year before you would even let them leave that country. so, you know, there wasn't clearly a mandate to watch them forever. and you just don't know. the problem, too, is anybody that spent any length of time at git-mo, whether they are flame throwing terrorist or weren't, after enough time there, they are certainly going to hate the u.s. more than any other place on earth. and i think that's the problem here. you're not letting go people that are saying i served my debt to international society, i'm going to be a good boy for the rest of my life. it's not going to happen. >> further radicalized. i remember that june 1 show that sunday after we learned the details all of the military analysts we had on the show expected they would in some way return to the militancy and to the movement and now we're seeing that come to fruition. we'll see what happens. tom, thank you so much. captured in iraq. and held hostage for ten

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still no word on the fate of the two hostages held by isis, as another deadline set by the terrorist group passes. one of the hostages is a jordanian pilot, the other a japanese journal ips. >> the terror group has been in negotiations with the jordanian

government we know but so far no agreements reached. >> isis wants the release of a female al qaeda prisoner and has threatened to kill the hostages if their demands are not met. the jor damian government says they will release her if isis proves the hostages are still alive. >> when you think about it there are few people who can really know and understand what the isis hostages are going through. but roy hallin does. november 1, 2004 a gunman came looking for him in baghdad. he spent the next 311 days in captivity. never knowing from one day to the next is he going to live, is he going to die. randi kaye spoke with him a year after he was rescued. >> for roy hallin it may remain a mystery forever. he may never learn all of the secrets, who kidnapped him, held him for ten months and why. this is how most of us learned

about his role in the horrible story. >> my name is roy hallins, i'm an american national. please help me. >> it was three weeks before thanksgiving. at his computer working as a contractor in iraq was snatched and grabbed, four masked gunmen broke in. any resistance they said they would kill him. >> were you scared? >> certainly. i had seen the videos before of other people who had been kidnapped and what happened to them. and i thought you know, am i going to live the rest of the day or is this it? >> reporter: they blindfolded hallums, drove him to a dark underground cell. we know it was in one of the most dangerous areas of baghdad known as the triangle of death. and for three months it was as if roy had simply vanished for those who love him, it was unimaginably painful. where was he? what had happened?

but there was nothing, his captors remained silent until this. >> i'm please asking for help because my life is in danger because it's been proved that i worked for american forces. >> they said they wanted to be emotional and look upset in the video, and so they said to make me look that way and to help me they were going to beat me before the video. >> did they? >> they did. >> he slept on a concrete slab blindfolded and bound with plastic handcuff. hallum spent much time laying down in the four-foot deep hole. they gave him small amounts of cheese and goat meat. whatever hope he had came from the fact they had not killed him yet. >> the first month it was the most difficult because everything, every movement, you don't know what might happen. and you're still thinking that,

well, you know, they could do away with me any time. >> he listened as his captors poured fresh concrete over his hole to seal it. he thought for sure he would die here. >> after six months i was starting to question how long was this going to go on. are they going to keep me a year or two years? there was no way to know. i just know oob okay i've been here six month also. >> by pure luck coalition forces interviewing a iraqi prisoner were told where hallums was held. he will never forget the pounding at the door. >> i thought maybe somebody's here to rescue me but you know, it's been 311 days. that would be too good to be true. they can't possibly be what it is. but they kept pounding on the door pounding on the door, fell

down, and a soldier comes in, his fatigues on and says are you roy? and i said yes. and he said come on, we're getting out of here. >> you hug him? >> yes. definitely. >> randi kaye, cnn, memphis. roy haljoins us from memphis. thank you for speaking with us. >> thank you, glad to be here. >> i'd like to talk with you about the hostage situation right now involving isis and jordan and japan. you know, in your case once that immediate trauma of the event of being captured subsided, you knew the u.s. government has no policy of negotiating with terrorists. did you expect you would be freed, that there would be negotiation? >> no, i was in the military for 20 years so i knew there wouldn't be any trades or money paid for me. it was as a matter of fact the gang told me they wanted $12

million for me and i told them, they thought they would get it from the u.s. government. i told them the u.s. government wouldn't pay. but they never believed me. >> we know that jordan is in this negotiation and japan is hoping to profit from it by getting that journalist back. do you think governments should negotiate with terrorists to secure hostage freedom? >> well, no, i don't. up front. but i can tell you when you're sitting there like i was, it gives you a totally different perspective. i know the families want that, but i don't think you can make national policy based on one individual, and the more you deal with these gangs and the more you try to give in to them, give them money, give them other people, they are just going to ask for more and more. it's an unending story with these people. >> so let me give you a bit of a

hypothetical. we're talking about the bowe bergdahl trade in may. bergdahl was traded for five gitmo detainees. if you were held hostage and the option were to trade you for those five detainees, are you saying that would hope that the u.s. would not make that trade? >> well, what i'm saying is that on individual basis yes, of course you would. but on the other hand on the national basis you can't. i mean, it just leads to more and more. how can the u.s. say anything to the jordanians now because we did exactly the same thing. >> and you think that was the wrong call? >> yes. i mean in the long term, you know, on individual basis for sergeant bergdahl yes, that was great. on national basis for the u.s., for years to go, we're going to be dealing with that for years because every gang is going to

think if they can get a u.s. military or u.s. citizen, they will be able to trade for people in their gang that have been taken, and put in prison, and if our negotiators tell them no, we don't trade, they will say well, you did for bowe bergdahl. >> all right. roy hallums, we're happy that after those 311 days that you were freed and we thank you for sharing your insight with us this morning. >> thank you. what a story. we are learning this morning about what could have been a near disaster in the air. a jetblue flight nearly crashing into a small plane as it prepared for landing at a new york airport. we're going to play the control tower recording of those tense moments. welcome back to showdown! i'm jerry rice, here discussing the upcoming big race between the tortoise and the hare. jerry, the hare always brags about his speed.

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this could have been a mamger disaster. a jetblue flight nearly crashed into a small plane as it prepared for landing. >> the jet was headed to new york we know and the faa is investigating now. >> we've got cnn reporter nick here to report. >> this is a nightmare. one of the things that you don't want to happen on a flight. on the way to white plains, new york on the way descending as it's landing, all of a sudden that collision warning system goes off indicating a small plane was coming right toward it. that's when passengers on board told local media the jetblue flight shot up in the air in a defensive maneuver.

the small plane came so close to the bottom of the flight they could hear a whoosh. we got our hands on the air traffic control audio. take a listen how it went down. >> 11:00, two miles, indicating 2900. type unknown. >> we're looking. 94. >> 494 if you like climb or descend. >> we got him inside. >> 94 maintain. >> the audible noise that we assume is the collision warning system going off. we have another minute of tape after that. but that really is the crux of it. you could hear the the pilot say we have a visual of this plane coming towards us. to the faa they say they are investigating. they did send cnn a statement. i'll read part of it. it says the pilot of that commercial flight reported that the smaller aircraft was in sight. received the alert and climbed in response. the general aviation flight was

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yesterday where he would go over all of the issues the league had to face and he came out in his opening statement and admitted it's been a very challenging year for the league, they had a lot of issues. but he said they corrected those issues, they made progress, he's excited about the future of the nfl. but then when the question and answer portion of the state of the league address started, goodell had to play defense. >> it has been a tough year. it's been a tough year on me personally. >> saying roger goodell's job this season is tumultuous is an understatement. from ray rice to otherish use yous good dell has been under fire some calling for his resignation. the latest issue is deflategate which goodell addressed. >> this is my job. this is my responsibility to protect the integrity of the game. i represent 32 teams. all of us want to make sure that

the rules are being followed. and if we have any information where the potential is those rules were violated, i have to pursue that. and i have to pursue that aggressively. >> all of the off the field issues have cast a shadow over the nfl's image and that's something goodell plans on fixing. >> we obviously as an organization have gone through adversity but more importantly it's for me. and that is something where we take that seriously. it's an opportunity for us to get better. so we've all done a lot of soul searching starting with yours truly. >> the way goodell and the officials handled investigations and issues like domestic violence and deflate gate have drawn criticism and rachel nichols asked if there was a better way to conduct these investigations. >> a lot of the issues have in common is a conflict of interest. when you do something like hire an outside investigator like ted wells into the patriots

investigation, you're still paying him and roderick kraft is paying you. what steps can you take in the future to mitigate some of those conflict of interest issues? >> i don't agree with you on a lot of the assumptions you make in your question. i think we have had people that have uncompromising integrity. i think we have done an excellent job of bringing outside consultants in. somebody has to pay them, so unless you are volunteering, which i don't think you are, we will do that. >> so rachel asked that because the nfl brought in robert miller to see how they handled the ray rice investigation. his law firm worked for the nfl before helping negotiate tv deals and ted wells, he previously investigated the dolphins, the miami dolphins bullying scandal so that's why some people are saying there is a conflict of interest. the nfl uses the same people and roger goodell wasn't happy with

rachel's question. >> andy shoals in phoenix for us. thank you. so let's bring in jamie turner the founder of 60 second marketer as we discussed what the nfl has to do to kind of reposition itself here. and females arhuge chunk of the audience with the domestic violence they are dealing with, we want to show an ad that's going to run tomorrow. we've seen this a couple times already. but it's one of those ads you stop and cannot help but watch. take a look. >> 911 operator 911, where's the emergency. >> 127. >> what's going on there? >> i'd like to order for delivery. >> ma'am, you reached 911. this is an imagine line. >> half pepper reasonably, half mushrooms. >> you know you called 911. >> you know how long it will be? >> ma'am, is everything okay there? do you have an emergency or not?

>> yes. >> and you are unable to talk bus? right. right. >> is someone in the room with you? just say yes or no. >> yes. >> okay. it looks like i have an officer about a mile from your location. are there any weapons in your house? >> no. >> can you stay on the phone with me? >> no. thank you. >> that is chilling. it's powerful. >> powerful. that's just powerful. how can you not watch that and have all of the emotions go on that go through your mind and really reel you in on that. it does a fabulous job of making the point that this is a real issue, here's a real situation. let's look at that and hopefully find a way to have the nfl navigate their way through this. yes, in short the nfl has an image problem. 55% of their audience is female, and so they really need to start addressing this and that may be one of the things that they can

do to start saying this is an issue. >> i think people want to know when there is a conflict because if they had been heard. are these ads, because this is one of a series of ads that they have been doing. is that -- you think that's enough? for them to tell the people we hear you. >> it has to be real and has to be genuine. when you're the nfl and frankly i go to -- i've got three daughters, we go to football games. there's cheerleaders on the sidelines, and great that they want to have an athletic thing and do all that. but as a parent i'm trying to say hey, we're on jekty fiing women in a certain way and there may be some that disagree with me but as a parent this is not nels sarly the way i want you girls to grow up. i'm not coming down on anybody who does dancing as a profession. >> what about to rachel's point when she was talking to the commissioner talking about a conflict of interest. how do they navigate those waters? is it smart for them to hire outside people to come in and

fix things? or does it make it look as though they don't have what it takes to fix it themselves? >> they do have to hire outside people to come in and fix things. they have to be generally you win about it. it cannot be something superficial. so this needs to be a program, not just a commercial. in other words it's got to be an entire situation they go in and say we understand there's a problem, we understand there is an issue, let's fix it and do more than just run commercials, which is a powerful commercial but that's the top, the tip of the iceberg from there they got to go deeper. >> jamie, so good to have your perspective. victor. >> thank you, we'll see you back here at 10:00 eastern. "smerconish" starts after a quick break.

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welcome to the program. a stunning admission from outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel. in an interview with barbara star, hagel admits he felt pressure from the white house to release terror suspects faster from gitmo. those comments come after reports surfaced that a gitmo detainee released as part of the deal that freed american p.o.w. sergeant bowe bergdahl may have made contact with suspected taliban associates. let's get more on this now from barbara. >> i began by asking defense secretary chuck hagel about the deal to release five detainees from gitmo in exchange for