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you're in the "cnn newsroom," i'm poppy harlow joining us from new york. we have breaking news from overseas. it is not the news anyone hoped to hear about a hostage being kept, held, threatened by isis militants in syria. that extremist group has now apparently beheaded kenji goto. he was a journalist a 47-year-old journalist from japan, captured in syria in october, first held for ransom isis demanding $200 million, then offered in potential exchange for a prisoner being held by jordan a convicted terrorist there. none of those deals came through isis today. just releasing a short video that appears to show the brutal beheading, the murder of this 47-year-old husband and father from japan. let's go straight to jaana jaana karache in jordan.
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we were waiting as the deadline passed waiting to hear the fate and hoping the jordanian government and isis head had been able to strike a deal for the release. do we know where things fell apart? >> reporter: well poppy, it did look like late last week late week on wednesday there would be a deal that there was hope the jordanian government said it was releasing to release the convicted suicide bomber ices had been asking for. thursday the government said that deal was off the deal a short time before the final deadline came out from isis saying sajida al rashawi had to be delivered by sunset or they threatened to kill kenji ifto and the jordanian pilot kasasbeh. the deal was off the deal until
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it was evidence of proof of life. there was evidence the pilot is still well and alive. they say they have demanding through indirect negotiations and channels request isis to try to release the pilot captured in december a mission of the anti-isis mission and his jet crashed in isis territory in syria. they have no sign he was alive and the jordanian government had been under pressure domestically that yes, they were trying to help the japanese government with their own negotiations but many here in jordan were putting the government under pressure to bring moaz kasabeh back. kenji goto had been part of the negotiations that the jordanian government was having but their main and top priority was their own citizen and there was absolutely no mention, poppy, of that jordanian citizen moaz
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moaz kasabeh in the isis video, something that is really concerning and adding to the anxiety and uncertainty right now about his fate. >> and jomana it is 3:00 a.m. where you are in amanman, jordan. any reaction from the jordan government king abdullah anyone there? >> reporter: poppy, for the last ten days the government have been tight-lipped pretty much since the capture of moaz al kasabeh. they've tried to keep it very quiet, whatever they were trying to do, they said it's a very sensitive situation, but they've been under pressure to try to tell people more about what's going on with the negotiations but so far this evening, there's been no reaction as you mentioned t is late at night here nothing from the jordanian government or the jordanian military about this situation but we heard from the family of the jordanian pilot moaz al
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kasbeh one of his uncles telling us this evening they are devastated and saddened by the news of this apparent execution of kenji goto and they say that it makes them more concerned and worried about the fate of their own son, moaz al kasabeh. >> thank you very much for that. straight to our panel of experts to talk about this former cia operative and cnn security and intelligence analyst, bob behr former fbi lead international kidnapping negotiator chris voss former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. bob baer to you. japan has taken a defensive, a passive stance in terms of their geopolitically right? they have for years and years not been the aggressors if you will. however, there are discussions that shinzo abe is reporting that support article 49 of their constitution to put japan more on the offensive.
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do you believe, given whats that happened now, two japanese hostages brutally murdered by isis does this change the game for japan? do they get more into this fight against isis? >> well poppy, they weren't very deep into it. they were going to give $200 million to restore the country of iraq. they weren't about to send troops to iraq nor are we for the moment. they probably feel pretty badly burned in this. the japanese frankly, don't understand the middle east. they have no history there. they don't have an army that's capable of doing anything and i think this is going to pretty well do it for them at least for the time being, unless this conflict turns around. i think this all came as a big surprise to them. >> chris voss, part of the statement by isis in this video is a direct message of blame on prime minister abe and also a threat saying this will be a nightmare for japan. how do you read that?
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>> well both of these things are actually very predictable things for them to be saying when they don't have any more cards to play right now against the japanese. if they had another japanese hostage to threaten to murder then they would have put that person up in another video. since they don't have that they kind of stamped their feet a little bit and make this very vague, innocuous threat so that threat is pretty predictable and it actually indicates that they don't have much else to do in regards to japan. >> tom fuentes, do you agree? >> yes, i agree and the cautionary tale here for every country in the world is even if you have no control over one of your citizens deciding to go there as a journalist or an aide worker or for whatever reason and that person gets captured suddenly you become the headline worldwide, what are you going to do about it? the pressure is on you. how can you let this happen? how can you -- you've got to negotiate, get our person back, and that's -- i think japan kind of has been like deer in the
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headlights over this whole thing. they didn't expect this to happen. they're not fighting over there. they announced humanitarian aid. suddenly two of their citizens prominently are being held on the world stage as hostages. >> gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate the perspective. now i want to bring our viewers sound recently in to cnn from japan's prime minister shinzo abe. i spoke in front of a lot of television cameras in japan a short time ago with a message for the isis militants whom he calls terrorists. listen. >> translator: i feel very sorry for this matter and to the families. the government has tried its best to deal with this matter, but we are deeply saddened by this despicable and horrendous act of terrorism, and we denounce it on the strongest
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terms. to the terrorist ss we will never, never forgive them for this act. >> let's go straight to tokyo qup. will brickley is live for us there. the remarks from the japanese prime minister the entire country is shocked, completely saddened. can you tell us a little bit how the man they lost how important he is to the people there? >> reporter: yes, a man, poppy, who people have really come to know and love as he has been now in people's homes on every major channel here since this whole crisis unfolded more than a week ago. kenji goto 47 years old, married, a father of two, just had a new daughter a newborn daughter just 3 weeks old when he took his latest and now last trip to the middle east to syria, a place that he was very familiar with a passionate freelance reporter who went to war zones not to cover the
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politics not looking for dramatic video, not trying to exploit, but to convey the situation for women and children especially who were caught up in this. he cared about people and that heart is part of the reason why he went back to syria to search for his friend a man who he met and clearly didn't have a lot of experience in war zones but was trying to start a security company, someone he had given advice to and then someone who ignored some of that advice and was captured by isis. kenji goto thought given his years of experience in situations like this he might be able to help and now japan sits here with two of its citizens have fallen victim now to just a murderous terror group and this could be a real game changer for how the japanese people view this conflict, which really up until now is quite far removed. poppy? >> i ask want to ask you that will did you get any sense early on that this will change
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japan's stance on the global stage militarily especially in this fight against isis? >> reporter: well certainly you know by prime minister abe publicly announcing support for the coalition against isis in the form of humanitarian aid this was something the prime minister has been planning to do for a while, to put japan geopolitically even though japan is a passivist country with a constitution that forbids the military from engaging in military action aside from its own self-defense abe wants japan to be a player and to take a stand against issues like terrorism. but he's facing some criticism here for the way that he went about it for so publicly announcing this $200 million to support the coalition against isis knowing that there were two japanese hostages in the hands of the terror group. some are asking was this well thought out? did the japanese government realize that this could happen to its citizens?
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so there are going to be some tough questions asked here in the coming days and weeks, certainly by abe's opponents, but the people of japan, they're proud of kenji goto and the fact that he showed so much courage and dignity up until the very end, even at the hands of this brutal terror group, he never flinched. he never begged. he quietly, with dignity, accepted his fate and i think that's how people are going to choose to remember him, for the way he lived the courage and compassion and not how his life ended. >> absolutely. will ripley in tokyo, thank you for that. we're back in a moment.
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the breaking news. isis posting a video online purporting to show the beheading of a second japanese hostage, journalist kenji goto. the gruesome video shows a masked man speaking with a british accent addressing directly japan's prime minister. this comes as the u.s. and its coalition allies have launched another series of attacks against isis. 27 air strikes have been conducted against isis troops in iraq and syria in just the past two days but this also comes as isis militants launched a new offensive on the oil rich city of kirkuk iraq. now some are still wondering if the u.s. would have more to offer than air strikes if the coalition wants to defeat isis. do we need more forces there during an exclusive interview with cnn before this latest video of course was released. defense secretary chuck hagel said the option is still on the table. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more. >> i asked secretary hagel if he
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thought it was possible a small number of u.s. troops might get sent to the front lines in iraq to help iraqi combat troops do things like picking out targets. he made clear it's an idea that cannot yet be ruled out. >> he said to his combatant commanders specifically general dempsey and general austin if you believe and you want to recommend, you think you need to recommend to me to the president that we should look at other options then i want to you bring those recommendations to me. that so far has not happened. whether that would happen in the future again, the president has said to his commanders if you think this is what's going to be required i need to know it. you need to make the recommendation and i'll listen. >> what do you think? >> well i think just as the president has said and the advice i've given the president, what general dempsey has, is that we have to look at all the options, and i think it may
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require a forward deployment of some of our troops not doing the fighting not doing the combat work we did at one time for six years in iraq and for many many years in afghanistan, but to help air strike precision. >> moving targets, intelligence. >> those are things where we would continue to support. what i would say though we're not there yet. whether we get there or not, i don't know. whether that's something that our military commanders would recommend into the future i don't know. but i think just as the president has made clear, i need to know your honest opinion and he's been very forthright about that what you think, if that's something that you think is required. >> but you're saying you think it could be necessary. >> it could be but i'm not willing to say that it will be
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necessary. i say it could be necessary. >> hagel leaves office in a few days but his view is one that is shared by some current military commanders. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> an excellent interview there by our barbara starr. see much more of it on cnn.com. cnn did reach out to the white house for comment. they told us they have no policy changes to announce after what secretary hagel did tell barbara. will it take american troops back in iraq to defeat isis and what do you do in syria? we'll talk about that next. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know words really can hurt you? what...? jesse don't go! jesse...no! i'm sorry daisy, but i'm a loner. and a loner gotta be alone. heee yawww! geico.
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all right, before the break, we heard outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel in an exclusive interview with cnn saying the u.s. may eventually need to send ground troops back into iraq to help turn back isis fighters. let's bring in michael weiss, he writes for foreign policy and new book out, "isis inside the army of terror" and joining us former cia operative bob baer. before the break we heard barbara's interview with chuck hagel saying we're not there yet but we may have to go there. the white house saying no policy changes at this point. what do you make of what he said? >> poppy, first of all, we do have some limited amount of troops in for instance iraq.
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>> right. >> joint special operations command are crossing the border into syria. we have helicopters on the ground and rescue teams and what i'm hearing from them is this air campaign from 50,000 60,000 feet or whatever the planes are flying isn't going to do it. we cannot strategically bomb islamic state in to destroy it. we actually do need some support on the ground. we need to get military equipment to the kurds, they're running out of ammunition. the government in baghdad isn't working. they've been sending in you know death squads into the sunni areas. that's not helping at all. we really do have to change here. it's not working, and i don't see the islamic state disappearing especially with these attacks on kirkuk and the kurds have said also that they are not going to participate in an offensive on mosul. so how are we going to take mosul back? something's got to change. >> michael, do you think that
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that something has to be u.s. boots on the ground and if that's the case do the american public have the stomach for that the appetite for that again? >> for the book we interviewed at least a dozen former and active u.s. military officials, including military intelligence officials whose job it was to anatomize and track al qaeda in iraq. not a single one thinks the iraqi security forces can do this especially as bob rightly pointed out because the vanguard fighting force on the ground in iraq is really not the iraqi military or interior ministry professional soldiers. it's shia militia groups. death squads that are essentially molden to the islamic republic of iran. the guy who is leading the ground campaign in iraq today is sulimani a major revolutionary guard quds force which happens to be a terrorist organization. he was responsible for killing so many american soldiers during the iraq war. today u.s. war plains are
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essentially giving him him and his militias occasionally embedded with iraqi air forces indirect air forces. if you're sunni in iraq why are you going to rise up against isis on behalf of tehran which is how they see it. remember the anbar awakening in the mid 2000s? the reason that happened was the sunni tribes of iraq which was the geostrategic heartland where al die and iraq embedded itself they cut a deal. we prefer the americans because they don't come in and kill us after they boot out the terrorists. now, who is in lieu of the americans? again you have untrustworthy, frankly noncredible iraqi forces. the current iraqi minister for reconciliation ayad allawi himself a sheia, former prime minister, told "the guardian" newspaper we have ethically cleansed baghdad of sunnis. do you know how dire state of affairs that is especially if you are sunni? >> bob baer long-term is the effort worth it more u.s. boots
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on the ground, can we eliminate isis effectively or is it time to really weigh whether we should be fighting them in this way that you say and not working? >> well i'm going to go back to what michael just said. he's right on every single point. we simply cannot take sides with iran and iraq and expect to vanquish the sunni. we can decapitate that organization but something is going to take its place. we have to' cess what we're doing in this part of the world. we cannot get in the middle of a civil war and take sides and expect to win. this war has been going on since the seventh century. it's just not working. >> bob baer thank you very much. michael weiss, quick break. we're back with our breaking news on the other side. at ancestry, we call it a hint.. our little leaf that helps guide you through the past. simply type in a name and you're taken on a journey. a journey that crosses generations.
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welcome back. i'm poppy harlow in new york. joining our international viewers on cnn international and here in the united states as well as we continue to follow this breaking news at this hour. for days isis said it wanted to negotiate for his release, but a video released just a short time ago shows the apparent death, the murder of a japanese hostage named kenji goto. the familiar english speaking isis member who has become known as jihadi john appears in the video standing behind japanese journalist kenji goto. he then lectures the japanese government placing the blame
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squarely on them before beheading goto. we have our international correspondents jomano joining in iran and will ripley joining us in tokyo. will let me begin with you. it is early morning there. what is the reaction thus far from the ja. knees government and frankly, the peep of japan to this horrific act? >> reporter: we're expecting just minutes from now a press conference with japan's defense minister jen knacknakatani. we don't know where japan is ready to say the video is authentic. we heard from the chief cabinet secretary and japan's prime minister shinzo abe strongly condemning the apparent actions of isis in the murder of yet another japanese citizen, the second japanese citizen to apparently be beheaded by the terrorist group in about a week the first haruni yukawa and this
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time kenji goto. it seems just a matter of time japan to reveal what is the case another japanese victim fallen to isis. they will continue to pledge support financially, humanitarian aid for the victims of this terrorist group. >> it's important to note who this was, important to remember this man not for the fact that he was brutally murdered by isis but for the fact that he went to syria, left his family his two young daughters because he felt so strongly that he needed to be in syria to tell the stories of the refugees there, of the crisis that was unfolding there. what does he mean to the people of japan? >> poppy, he wasn't self-serving in going there. he didn't put himself on camera. he wasn't the story. the story was the people and the plight of those people the innocent people who were
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suffering, and that is exactly how people in japan will choose to remember him for his courage and for his dignity. 47-year-old married father of two, two young daughters, a mother who has been just like all of us kind of going through a real emotional roller coaster, where there were thoughts that perhaps he might be able to be released and then as we watched the deal fall apart, the hope turned to real fear that this was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. >> will stay with us. to you, jomana this brings in to stark focus the fate of the jordanian pilot moaz al kaseasbeh. his plane went down over iraq a few months ago. the images of the isis fighters carrying him away celebrating the fact they had a jordanian hostage. his fate was tied up in this as well because he was part of a negotiation for a potential release.
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isis doesn't mention him at all in this advise yo. does that surprise you? >> not really poppy. there has been not much talk of moaz al kassasbeh since his capture. we do not know what isis has been demanding if they made any demands for his release. what we do know is that his name came up in the past week when isis added him to the equation to this crisis and situation with kenji goto saying unless that swap or the convicted would-be suicide bomber the iraqi woman sajida rahry rhode island shaw we would happened we know the government has been in direct negotiation to secure his release for the last few weeks. the critical condition for the government they said that
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possible deal for a swap was off the table because they had not received any evidence that al kassasbeh was alive and well and this is a major issue, a major concern for many jordanians action for his families who also say in the past 40 days since his capture, they too, have not received any proof of life either. so again, this evening when we see this purported video by isis with no mention of al kassasbeh, it adds to the sense of uncertainty and anxiety really running high in this country over the past ten days or so. >> i wonder how the general consensus there among the civilians in jordan is about the potential for the jordanian government to release this convicted terrorist, this woman, is agina al rishawi, convicted with her husband of bombing several hotels killing upwards of 60 people. how do they feel about the government putting itten othe
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table to release her as isis has demanded in exchange for the pilot? >> reporter: well we were out a few hours ago talking to people on the streets here in amman about how they felt about this just a reminder here to our viewers, those attacks, that bombing was the worst terror attack in recent memory for jordanians the november 9th hotel bombings triple bombings that struck three hotels here in amman, and sajida rishawi, her suicide did not detonate in the attack. for many they describe it as the 9/11 of jordan and she is the only convicted participant in that attack who is behind bars so it is a big issue for jordanians. they want to see her in jail she's on death row and the only thing that has kept her alive so far poppy is that unofficial moratorium on the death penalty that jordan has had since 2006 only resuming executions back in december but when we talked to
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people today, they said if her release or the release of any other isis related prisoner for that matter means the return of their pilot, they want to see that. there are, of course concerns about jordan setting a precedent there, that there will be more dangers to jordanian citizens after that and jordanian military but at the same time all they want to see is the return of a man that many here describe as a national hero. >> jomana thank you very much. will ripley in tokyo thank you as well. when we come back while japan mourns the death of kenji goto there are fears for british hostage john cantley. why is ices keeping him alive and using him in the propaganda videos? could he share goto's fate? that's next.
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we applaud japan's steadfast commitment to advancing peace and prosperity in the middle east and globally. standing together with a broad coalition of allies and partners the united states will continue taking decisive action to degrade and ultimately destroy isil." also just in to cnn a statement from u.s. secretary of state john kerry. it reads in part, "united states condemns isil's vicious murder of japanese journalist kenji goto. we extend our sincere and heartfelt condolences to his wife his family his loved ones as well as to the people of japan." he goes on to say "the united states knows this pain on a personal level, borne of our own experience." let's talk about what has happened and what may happen ahead of japan's leader vowing to never forgive the isis terrorists. does this recent breakdown in negotiations with isis reveal any significant strategies any
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changes amongst isis and also for hostages held by isis among those a jordanian eye lot and unnamed female american aide worker a 26 years old and british journalist john cantley. i bring back in michael weiss, bob baer chris voss and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. chris, to you if first, isis clearly showing no mercy, killing both of these japanese hostages one week apart, but there is a hostage that they have held for a long time that really isis chooses to put out there, to put front and center and talking about british journalist john cantley. he has been the center of now eight propaganda videos by isis. they have him acting as a reporter in the field talking about how great life is under isis rule. why do you think isis is keeping him alive?
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>> well i think that they're getting good mileage. they like the reaction they're getting by using him. they're holding him in advance for whatever moves that they might like to make and the fact that they're putting him out here like this tells us a lot about the current situation. often the absence of information tells you a lot. they're not doing this with the jordanian pilot. also there was proof of life on kenji goto recently to goto's family and no proof of life recently on the jordanian pilot to his family. i think that combined with the way they're using the british hostage tells us that most likely the jordanian pilot is not around to be used in the same way. they like what they're getting with the british hostage, and they don't have the availability to do that with the jordanian pilot. >> do you believe bob baer that that is the case or do you believe that there is the chance that the jordanian pilot is unwilling to do that or that they think john cantley as a
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western voice is more powerful in that propaganda? >> well poppy, look at these tapes that cantley's been putting out. he's like the tourist minister inviting people to the bahamas or something which is total insanity but they're appealing to a very marginal set of people in the west and the rest of the arab world who might fall for this but at the end of the day, they're murdering these japanese hostages there's no political -- forget the emotional, the personal there's no political mileage to be gotten from this. this is an irredeemable movement in the full sense of the word and i tried to think of our enemies in ways to get to them but these people you can't. and the locals the arabs will tell you they just have to be destroyed militarily and be there's no negotiation. there's no reasoning, and i believe it. >> i wonder to you, michael weiss, can you truly fully destroy them when it is not just about physically but it's
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destroying the ideology and when they put these videos out, it is just insane to watch how they're using john cantley as like bob said a tourist, you know recruiting people come live under the isis regime. it is wonderful, it is not what you think it is but he's speaking english and what they want is more recruits in the western world to carry out attacks in the west and to join them on the battlefield there. can you take them out, even just militarily? >> not given the current constraints of the strategy. look one of the bullwarts of isis propaganda we interviewed several isis members for the book and they said we prefer to be heard from not about. so one of the sort of main campaigns is the western media lies about what really is happening under isis rule. right, so cantley is a perfect sort of prop in this campaign. here's a perfectly british speaking british citizen perfectly english speaking journalist who is invoking the
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cultural grammar of the west denouncing his government denouncing the united states government referring to sort of the various perceived and real foreign policy crimes committed by the u.s. and great britain. they want to appeal directly to an audience that thinks there is a vast conspiracy that the united states is a party to. by the way, and this bears reemphasizing and mentioning at every possible point we think of isis and we have this misapprehension, these are a bunch of jihadis, everybody is talking about the foreign fighters. 14-year-old boys from tunisia, algeria to do holy war. not true. the upper echelons are filled with former saddam hussein regime members, military intelligence officials, iraqi army guys. guess who these guys were trained by the soviets, the kgb in conventional and guerrilla warfare and information warfare. they know how to do propaganda. they know how to exploit the weaknesses in the west and what they're trying to do indeed with
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the jordanian hostage in particular drive a wedge between the united states and this already tenuous coalition. >> and tom fuentes, to you, we see the united states fighting its own war online against this right? we see the state department and others using social media to say this is not the route you want to follow trying to talk to people that would be radicalized by this. is the u.s. fighting this effectively online on the propaganda front? >> no. frankly i don't think so. on the other side of this is isis will win the propaganda front as long as they appear if they're not winning and gaining ground and they don't take over baghdad, but on the other hand don't lose too much ground and stay in a solid position in control of a great part of iraq and syria, then they're winning just by that and you know where our officials come off saying we're on the pathway to destroy isil and degrade isil. by what? are we hoping they commit
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suicide, because at the moment i don't think we're on much of a path to accomplish that. >> so we have to go but quickly, what do we do? what do we do, tom? >> well, i think we're going to have to get really serious about who we have on the ground and if we can get the neighbors to join in the coalition or what or else just give up get out. i mean we spent 5,000 american lives in iraq $1 trillion. we have 50,000 wounded warriors with commercials on every hour about the people that were wounded there, and now suddenly we've lost a third of the country that we had already controlled. you know i don't see how we get by even wondering how that happened to us. >> it's astonishing. gentlemen, thank you all. we appreciate it. we'll have you back on later in the program. we have other breaking news to get to after a quick break. the daughter of late singer whitney houston found unresponsive this morning in a bathtub at her home. what happened, how is she doing? an update next. can listen up... i'm reworking the menu. veggies you're cool... mayo, corn dogs...you are so out of
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we're covering breaking news here in the united states this hour. the daughter of late singer whitney houston this morning found unresponsive in a bathtub full of water, a disturbing echo of her mother's tragic death three years ago. she was not breathing when her husband and a friend found her this morning in her atlanta home. her mother died in a bathtub at the beverley hilton in 2012. we're covering this story outside of the hospital near atlanta where houston's daughter
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is being treated. do we know the latest on her condition, how she's doing? >> reporter: the hospital is being very tight lipped about her condition because of hippa privacy laws. we know from police that she is alive and breathing. whether or not she's breathing on her own or with the help of a respirator respirator that's not clear. we know she was found about 10:30 this morning in her home outside the atlanta by her husband who told police that he found bobbi kristina brown, the 21-year-old, face down in a bathtub. there has been speculation and rumors surrounding bobbi kristina brown and her dependance on drugs and alcohol so it was worth asking police if there were signs of foul play. they said in an initial sweep of that residents that there was no indication that there was alcohol or drug abuse in the facility in that home but they are conducting search warrants right now. as recently as an hour ago they
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were still on the scene. police say they are treating this as a medical situation at this point. poppy? >> nick i know that she was unresponsive and was not breathing on her own when she was found. do we have a sense from the hospital though whether or not she is on a ventilator or not, or any update other than that on her condition? >> reporter: we did. we attempted to go into the hospital when we got here a couple of hours ago. initially they didn't want to say much and asked us to leave the premise. we have put in a call to the press information officer from the hospital but we have yet to hear back so we are still waiting as all members of the media are on an update on her condition. we know thankfully from her supporters that she is alive at this hour. >> we're looking at pictures from her instagram account, some of them taken as recently as last night. nick thank you very much for the reporting. we appreciate it.
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as nick said so far no signs of drugs or alcohol in the initial police investigation into bobbi kristina brown's home that they have been searching where she was found, face down in a bathtub this morning around 10:30 a.m. earlier on the program i spoke with addiction specialist, dr. drew lipinski. >> a young, healthy otherwise adult female has a sufficiently severe medical condition to drown in a bathtub face down, you better hope that's substance related. there are very few medical conditions that would do that seizure is one of them. almost nothing else would do that other than a terminal condition which she does not have. >> thank you to our viewers around the world for joining us. i'm poppy harlow in new york. the news athere continues after a
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you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm poppy harlow in new york. 7:00 eastern and a lot of breaking news to get to. we have an update in the horrific development of a hostage situation overseas. all hopes that this man is still alive have been dashed. he is a 47-year-old journalist named kenji goto captured by isis who has claimed to have beheaded him. the group
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