thanks for watching state of the union. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. this is gps, the global public school. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we have an important very special show for you. an hour with the president of the united states barack obama. we met in new delhi where he was on a state visit and we had a frank, wide ranging conversation.

from islamic terrorism -- >> are we in a war -- >> to drones on the white house lawn. from nuclear talks with iran. >> for us to undermine diplomacy is a mistake. >> to prime minister netanyahu's end run around the white house. from america's increasing comfort with authoritarian regimes to china's discomfort with burgeoning u.s. friendship. from russia's failing economy to russia's successful efforts to destabilize ukraine. >> there's no formula this ends up being good for russia. >> it's an interview you don't want to miss. >> there are costs to decisions we make. >> first here is my take. president obama's trip this week

to india was strategically important, symbolic and well executed. it come insideed with a snowstorm in some states so it struggled to get air time in the united states. in india, on the other hand newspapers dedicated pages and television coverage was wall-to-wall. it even got the attention of the chinese which denounced the friendship. it's an opportunity and problem. foreign policy consists of two elements negative and positive. negative foreign policy is about preventing bad things from happening, confronting dangers and dealing with bad guys. it's the stuff that makes the front page in the evening broadcast. positive foreign policy is focused on the upside. it's about building new relationships, expanding markets and opportunities, strengthening alliances and values.

obama's india trip was a perfect example of positive foreign policy. the united states has been forging new tries to india since the clinton administration. but president obama's decision to attend india's republic day marked a tipping point. india has gone from a country 30 years ago that was reflexively anti-american to one that is increasingly pro american. indian society has long been attracted to america. but in recent years the indian government has been moving away from it's encrusted ideology of nonalignment to something more practical. india's new prime minister narendra modi has pushed the government in an unambiguously pro american nation. bringing india closer to the united states should have broad benefits for washington and the world. with over 1.2 billion people india is likely to become the next global goliath.

while it will never probably grow as fast as china, because of its size even 7% growth say, over the next two decades would give it a loud voice in the world's councils of power. india is the most significant example of the benefits of positive foreign policy but there are other important ones as well. the most remarkable opportunity presents itself in mexico. 30 years ago mexico was defined by its anti-americanism. today it is a different country. its economy is closely linked to its neighbor to the north, its politicians regard america as their natural partner and the culture has become americanized in so many respects. the upsides of success are significant. if the united states can partner with india along with indonesia and japan, it is far more likely that asia and the world will be characterized by free trade, multi-lateralism and rules-based international systems.

a deeper set of ties between the u.s. mexico and canada could create a north american economy and political union of sorts that will be more interconnected vibrant and powerful than any regional bloc in the world. but all of this takes time and effort. pushing these countries to reform is hard work. showing up remains vital especially in asia. the constant drum beat to deal with the crisis du jour fails to recognize opportunity costs. every day spent on one more band of thugs in the middle east is a day that cannot be spent on india or mexico. asia latin america, and africa are all moving in the right direction. but these trends are not automatic or self-sustaining. they require washington to be engaged and assertive and also need a political and media climate in which the urgent does not always trump the important. for more go to cnn.com/fareed

and read my "washington post" column this week. let's get started with my interview with president obama. ♪ ♪ >> mr. president, honor to have you. >> good to see you, fareed. >> lintsy graham says he's bothered about the fact that you won't admit we're in a religious war. there are others who say the white house takes pains to avoid using the term "islamist terrorists." my question to you, are we in a war with radical islam? >> i think the way to understand this is there is an element growing out of muslim communities in certain parts of the world that have perverted the religion have embraced a

anilistic, violent almost evil interpretation of islam. and they are doing damage in a lot of countries around the world. it is absolutely true that i reject a notion that somehow that creates a religious war, because the overwhelming majority of muslims reject that interpretation of islam. they don't even recognize it as islam. and for us to be successful in fighting this scourge, it's very important for us to align ourselves with 99.9% of muslims who are looking for the same thing we're looking for. order, peace, prosperity. and so i don't quibble with labels. i think we all recognize this is

a particular problem that has roots in the communities. the middle east and south asia, it's very ground zero for us needing to win back hearts and minds particularly when it comes to young people. i think we do ourselves a disservice in this fight if we are not taking into account the fact that the overwhelming majority of muslims reject this ideology. >> others say you downplay the importance of terrorism. you want to downgrade it as a threat to the united states. >> look i have to talk to the families of those who are killed by terrorists. i have to talk to the families of soldiers of ours who fought to make sure al qaeda and alfatah couldn't carry out attacks against us again. so i think i'm pretty mindful of the terrible costs of terrorism around the world.

what i do insist on is we maintain a proper perspective and that we do not provide a victory to these terrorist networks by overinflating their importance and suggesting in some fashion that they are an existential threat to the united states and world order. the truth is they can do harm. but we have capacity to control how we respond in ways that do not undercut what's the essence of who we are. that means that we don't torture, for example and there by undermine our value and ved credibility around the world. it means we don't approach this

with strategy of sending out armies and playing whac-a-mole wherever a terrorist appears. it drains our economic strength and puts enormous burdens on our military. what's required is a surgical precise response to a very specific problem. if we do that effectively, then ultimately these terrorist organizations will be defeated because they don't have a vision that appeals to ordinary people. it really is as has been described in some cases, a death cult or an entirely backward looking fantasy that can't function in the world. when you look at isil it has no governing strategy. it can talk about sitting up the new caliphate but nobody is under any illusions they can sustain or feed people or educate people or organize a society that would work. so we can't give them the victory of overinflating what

they do and we can't make the mistake of being reactive to them. we have to have a precise strategy in terms of how to defeat them. >> americans have been very interested to hear about this drone that landed in the white house, your backyard where you and your family lives. are you confident that you understand how you would prevent the next one from being armed. >> this is a broader problem. i'll leave the secret service to talk about this particular event. but i've actually asked the faa and a number of agencies to examine how are we managing this new technology. because the drone that landed in the white house, you buy at radio shack. you know there are companies like amazon that are talking about using small drones to deliver packages. there are incredibly useful functions that these drones can

play in terms of farmers who are managing crops and conservationists who want to take stock of wildlife. so there are a whole range of things we can do with it. but we don't really have any kind of regulatory structure at all for it. so i've assigned some of the relevant agencies to start talking to stakeholders and figure out how we're going to put an architecture in place to make sure these things aren't dangerous and they aren't violating people's privacy. in some ways fareed this is similar to what's happened in cyberspace. these technologies that we're developing have the capacity to empower individuals in ways that we couldn't even imagine 10 15 years ago.

but we don't yet have the legal structures and architecture globally and within individual countries to manage them the way we need to. part of my job over the past several years and over the next couple of years that i'm still in office is seeing if we can start providing some sort of framework that ensures we get the good and minimize the bad. >> next on gps, the president on boehner, after invited senator to address the congress. the prime minister said he won't meet with the president when he comes in march. >> i think that's inappropriate. >> we'll explain when we come back. later we'll talk about another thorn in the president's side vladimir putin. are we on the road to war between russia and the west.

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. the relationship between president obama and prime minister benjamin netanyahu is

tense at best. senator graham invited him to talk about a nuclear deal. obama administration has been working freefrishly to strike a deal with iran since november 2013 when such an accord first seemed possible. what was the president's reaction to the prime minister's plans. listen in. >> last week it was announced the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is going to come to washington do a joint session of congress at the invite is a of the joint speaker of the house. many think this is a rebuttal of your arguments about a deal with iran, a possible deal with iran. do you think it's appropriate for him to come in this manner at this time to washington? >> i'll let mr. boehner answer that and mr. netanyahu. i speak with prime minister netanyahu all the time. we're declining to meet with him, i'm declining to meet with him simply because our general policy is we don't meet with any world leader two weeks before

their election. i think that's inappropriate. that's true with make of our closest allies. david cameron who has got an election coming up recently came to visit because we insisted that if he wants to come and it was a very important meeting, he needs to be far away enough from the election that it doesn't look like in some ways we're meddling or putting our thumbs on the scale. to the broader issue, fareed i don't think there's been any rebuttal of my argument. i haven't heard a persuasive rebuttal of my argument that we crafted very effective sanctions against iran specifically to bring them to the negotiations table to see if we could resolve the iranian nuclear issue through diplomatic means. by all accounts including the accounts of israeli intelligence iran has abided by the terms of this interim agreement. they have not advanced their nuclear program. they have actually rolled back

their stockpiles of highly enriched uranium. so we have lost nothing during this period of negotiations. iran's program has not advanced. and we had the chance of providing a mechanism where we can verify that iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon and iran has the ability over time to reenter the community of nations as a responsible player. i don't know that we're going to be able to get that done. but my argument is for the united states congress to insist on imposing new sanctions that all our partners as well as the iranians can interpret as a violation of the interim agreement. for us to undermine diplomacy at this critical time for no good reason is a mistake. what we need to do is finish up

this round of negotiations put the pressure on iran to say yes to what the international community is falling for, what's been remarkable we've been able to maintain p5 plus 1, even with russia given all the strains we have with them china which has a great hunger for iranian i'll we've still been able to maintain that unity which shoes how effective our diplomats have been. if we don't get a deal make sure it's the iranians fault they didn't say yes to a reasonable deal. i haven't heard a good counter argument yet. i will veto legislation, if it comes up that imposes additional sanctions. and by the way, what i've said to members of congress and what i've said to israelis is the day after iran walks away from a reasonable deal the easiest thing for me to do in congress is pass additional sanctions against iran. it would take about two days for

me to be able to sign a bill like that. so we have ability to exert additional pressure. but it's important for us to show we've exhausted every possible avenue of diplomatic resolution. >> if you listen to what people are saying in congress about the prospective deal everyone knows what it is 5 to 6,000 centrifuges, it seems almost any deal you're going to bring to this republican senate they are not going to go for. doesn't it doom the negotiations some of i think it's important for us to actually have a deal in place, and then make an argument for what the deal is. i've said before that we will take no deal over a bad deal. but if i can prove that the deal we've put in place assures us through indisputable verification mechanisms that iran cannot achieve breakout capacity if i've got a bunch of

scientists and nuclear experts saying this assures us that iran is not on the brink of being a nuclear weapons power, then that's a public debate we should have. i will then ask every member of congress to ask why would we reject that deal and prefer a potential military option that would be less effective in constraining iran's nuclear program and would have extraordinary ramifications at a time when we've got too many conflicts in the middle east. i'm pretty confident i can win that argument. >> next on "gps," president obama made a special trip this week to meet with the new king of saudi arabia and his administration continues to support general cici in egypt. is the united states back to getting in bed with authoritarian regions?

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terrorists. but in doing so does it have to ally with dictatorships and absolute monarchies? i asked president obama to explain what looked like a shift in his views and his policy. >> in 2011 during the arab spring, you said that authoritarian regimes offered illusion of stability but breed problems including terrorists. >> right. >> now secretary of state kerry praises general sisi of egypt. you have formed the relationship with saudi arabia, the administration works with dictatorships in central asia absolute monarchies in the middle east. is the theory of authoritarian stability back? >> no i don't think so. i think if you look at all my statements what i've always said is that in applying u.s. foreign policy we can never operate as if the world as it is

doesn't exist. we've got friends and allies who help us with strategic interests, who also engage in practices that don't meet our test of human rights or democracy. and what we can do is encourage them to move in a new direction. but oftentimes we're going to have to make decisions based on the here and now and our strategic interests. what i continue to believe is that an authoritarian model in this day and age is going to be less and less sustainable. i think we've seen evidence of that around the world. part of it is just the flow of information. authoritarianism to some degree depends on the ignorance of people. and the internet and social media means people have access to information.

authoritarian regions rely to a large extent on tamping down people's expectations. people's expectations are constantly rising today, especially among young people. so a government model that does not rely ultimately on legitimacy and consent but rather relies on force is not ultimately going to be effective. >> let me ask you about this trip. it's been striking clearly gone very well. already the chinese government has twice in three days criticized both the united states and india. is this the start of a kind of new geo politics of asia? >> i was surprised when i heard the chinese government put out these statements. i visited china just a while back and had very successful meetings with the president. china doesn't need to be

threatened because we have good relations with india. my belief is that in this moment in history, there's an opportunity to create a win-win formula in which all countries are abiding by a common set of rules and standards and we're focused on lifting up prosperity for our people not at the expense of others but together with each other. that's what my discussions with prime minister modi have focused on. i've very much emphasized it's very much in america's interest to continue to see china's peaceful rise. what's dangerous for us is a destabilized and impoverished and disintegrated china. it's much better for us if china is doing well. but what we've said since the

start of my term in office is china's growth shouldn't be at the expense of other folks. it shouldn't bully small countries like vietnam or philippines around maritime issues but try to resolve those peacefully in accordance with international law. it shouldn't manipulate its currencies to get itself trading advantages that others don't have. and sometimes we've been successful in getting a response from china on those issues. sometimes less so. but i care deeply about china's success. i want to make sure we continue to maintain a constructive relationship. there's no doubt there are aspects of india that make us closer to india. specifically it's a democracy and reflects the values and

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sanctions in the russian economy moscow continues to send arms supplies and in some accounts troops into eastern ukraine. i asked president obama how he thought the situation would ever get resolved. >> would it be fair to say whereas to russia your policy has been pretty effective in imposing real costs on the russian economy but it has not deterred vladimir putin from creating instability in ukraine conflict seems to have even escalated in the last few weeks? >> i think that's entirely fair. i think that is a testament to the bad decisions that mr. putin is making on behalf of his country. you know you think about where we've been in terms of u.s.-russian relations. when i came into office we talked about reset. i established i think an effective working relationship.

as a consequence, russia's economy was growing. they had the opportunity to begin diversifying their economy. their relations across europe and around the world were sound. they joined wto, with assistance from us. since mr. putin made this decision around crimea and ukraine, not because of some grand strategy but essentially because he was caught off balance by the protest ss, fleeing after we brokered a deal to transition power in ukraine. since that time this improvisation that he's been doing has gotten him deeper and deeper into a situation that is a violation of international law, that violates the integrity -- territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine, has isolated russia

diplomatically has made europe wary of doing business with russia. has allowed sanctions crippling economy at a time when oil revenues are dropping. there's no formula in which this ends up being good for russia. the annexation of crimea is a cost not a benefit to russia. the days in which conquest of land somehow was a formula for great nation status is over. the power of countries today is measured by your knowledge, your skills your ability to export goods to invent new products and services your influence. none of those things are provided by his strategy. now, but what is absolutely true is if you have a leader who continually drives past the off

ramps that we've provided given the size of the russian military given the fact it's not a nato country, as a consequence there are clear limits in terms of what we would do militarily mr. putin has not been stopped so far. to those who would suggest that we need to do more what i've said to them is that we can exact higher and higher costs and that's exactly what we're doing, and we can bring diplomatic pressure to bear. i don't think it would be wise for the united states or the world to see an actual military conflict between the united states and russia. what we are doing is reinforcing those border states who are members of nato and making very clear that line is one that cannot be crossed because we wouldn't have to, you know take military action to protect our allies.

that's part of what article five is all about. >> but you've seen no indication that putin is ready for a deal in recent months weeks. >> so far what we've seen is a lot of talk in public. with chancellor merkel and the president and ourselves in which he will say one thing but his actions tell another tale. what we've consistently seen is that the separatists are russian financed russian trained. their strategy comes from russia. russian troops support them. and so we have not yet seen a recognition on the part of the kremlin that it is in russia's interest to solve this issue over the long-term. so in addition to continue to exact costs on russia one of the most important things we can do is continue to support the

ukrainian economy and the reform efforts that are coming out of kiev. and to their credit presidentthe president and prime minister has initiated reform there that will make a difference if given a chance. we're going to keep on these dual tracks putting more pressure on russia bolstering ukraine, delivering a message to mr. putin these off ramps and diplomatic resolutions remain available. i'm not wildly optimistic at this point that his orientation changes partly because the one thing that's been very successful for mr. putin is his politics. i think he's been able to create in part because of state sponsored media and russia tv and all the mechanisms he has to

quell dissent inside his country and tapping into, you know sort of the strong nationalism that exists inside of russia. what he has been able to do is keep his poll numbers up. in fact a lot of his turn away from reengagement with the west was when he decided to start running for re-election and his popularity wasn't as high as he was accustomed to. if you recall there were protests in moscow that started numbering in the thousands. you started seeing a rampup of this anti-western anti-u.s. rhetoric which is out of the old soviet playbook. so he's looking backwards not forwards. perhaps over time he changes his mind. in the meantime we have to make sure we're firm in protecting our allies and supporting the principles that have maintained peace in europe for the entire post-war period.

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reagan won the cold war. what do you think your line will be? >> one thing i've learned because i've gotten this question from the day i first took office i'm going to let somebody else answer that question, somebody probably more articulate and pithy than i am. >> what are you most proud of? >> i'm proud of saving the american economy. we still have a long way to go. essentially what we did was stabilize it lay a new foundation to move forward. as i said in the state of the union address, that gives us now the capacity to tackle what was an overriding theme of my campaign way back in 2008 and that is to restore middle class economics and the capacity for people to get into the middle class and start seeing higher wages and a broader shared prosperity inside the united states. and i think we've moved the

trend lines in the right direction but we've still got a long way to go on that. internationally, i'm proud of the fact that we've responsibly ended two wars. now, people will say, well you're back in iraq but we're not back in iraq with an occupying army we're back with a coalition of 60 countries helping to stabilize the situation. we are working with afghan national security forces to help stabilize the situation there. but we don't have 180,000 troops who are deployed in those two countries. i think that what we have also done is reflected the best values of america in trying to nurture this democratic movement inside of burma, in ending what i believe had become a counter productive policy in cuba in strengthening alliances with countries like india where there's just enormous potential.

sometimes we don't pay a lot of attention to it. but i've been paying a lot of attention to it because i think that our future prosperity and security is going to be tied up with how are we doing with 1.2 billion aspiring indians who share our values and share democracy with us. how are we doing in latin america with country that generally are more favorably disposed towards the united states than they have been in a long time in part because of the actions we've taken. there are big chunks of the world. asia pacific region where my commitment to rebalancing has led to not only concrete agreements and actions with asean countries, for example, but has also sent a clear message to china that we want to be their partner but they have to be part of a rule-based

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we usually end the show mr. president, with a book of the week. i usually recommend a book to the readers. what week have you read over the last few months that you would

recommend. >> over vacation i read a book of short stories by phil clay called "redeployment." it's a quick but powerful and for melay called "redeployment." it's a quick but powerful and for meklay called "redeployment." it's a quick but powerful and for me painful set of stories about the experience of ordinary soldiers in iraq. i think it's a reminder particularly important for a commander in chief, that the antiseptic plans and decisions and strategies and opining of pundits that take place in washington, you know is very different from war and conflict as it's experienced by people on the ground. and part of the reason that i am deliberate about decision making when it comes to foreign policy

and part of the reason i do think it's important to aim before you shoot is because i've met enough young men in walter reed and talked to enough families who have lost loved ones to remember that there are costs to the decisions we make. sometimes we have to make them. but they are real and they are serious. we can't play political games and we can't engage in bluster or reaction or, you know try to beat our chests when we make these decisions. if we're going to deploy folks to war, it better be for a darned good reason. we better have a clear objective that is worthy of the sacrifices these folks make. >> mr. president, pleasure to

have you. thank you so much. >> great to be with you. thanks. >> and that is the end of our show for today. thanks for joining us. to see my interview with president barack obama from new delhi. i will see you next week. president barack obama from new delhi. i will see you next week. xxxx good morning, hopeful news for free dopp of the press. after 400 days locked up in egyptian jail al jazeera correspondent is a free man. tells cnn president al sisi approved deportation and he left two hours ago and landed in cypress just a few minutes ago. he was detained in december 2013 with mohammed familiari and byron mohammed on