air and online. that's all for this televised edition of "reliable sources." we keep going all the time on cnn.com. let me know what you thought of today's show. send me a tweet or message on facebook. i'll be replying right after the break. state of the union starts right now. a reporter's 400-day ordeal is over. closes the door on 2016. i'm dana bash and this is the "state of the union." hello from washington. breaking news overseas. a correspondent for al jazeera is free after spending 400 days in an egyptian jail. he left egypt about three hours ago and is now in cyprus. seeian lee is in cairo. tell us how this came about.

>> reporter: there were a number of hours leading up to this swirling around that rumor that they could be released. he was very careful the words he used. he said this was extradition, not deportation, that he will carry out the rest of his sentence in straldaustralia and it is up to australian officials to see that. it is highly unlikely that he will serve any time in australia as the australian government has condemned his detention in the first place. >> ian, thank you so much. we'll continue to monitor this story and check back with you for any updates. today, february 1st, is exactly one year from the iowa caucuses. the first contest, of course in the presidential nominating

season. in 2008 mike huckabee was the triumphant winner. >> i was never sure i would be able to love a state as much as i love my home state of arkansas. but tonight i love iowa a whole lot. >> that night, i remember it well, but huckabee's white house bid fell short. but the preaching guitar playing a former arkansas governor has quit his job at fox and he's not exact will i making it a secret that he's interested in making another run in 2016. governor huckabee, thank you for coming on. we'll get to iowa in a second. i want to play a tv moment that everybody is talking about. fox's megan kelly had you on her show to explain that when you sparked controversy talking about trashy new york women you didn't mean your former colleagues at fox. then she said this. >> we are not only swearing, we're drinking, we're smoking, we're having pre-marital sex, with birth control, before we go

to work. and, sometimes on a bus with a bunch of men. >> i love that. >> i just don't want to hear that. i don't want to hear that. >> sorry. that's just reality, gov. >> governor i want to tell you that here at cnn, the women are not smoking, drinking having premarital sex, in fact no sex before work no cursing. so welcome back to cnn. >> thank you, dana. by the way, you know, i think what i should have told megan was, my gosh, megan, i've only been gone three weeks and the place has just gone to the dogs. >> they need you there. >> it was a funny moment. yeah, no, it was funny. you know, i was in on the joke as was megan, yet i read stories where people said, megan kelly really took it to mike huckabee. i'm thinking, you guys are hilarious. i thought you guys need a sense of humor. we had a lot of fun with it. >> let's see if anybody takes it seriously. let's move on to something that is serious. a brand-new poll out this morning in iowa that shows that you're doing okay but you're not

at the top of the heap there. scott walker, the governor from wisconsin, is at the top. 16%. rand paul, 15%. you are at 13% and the list goes on and on and on and on. let's just talk about scott walker first. what do you think of his mojo? >> well, he's definitely moving forward. a lot of people are interested in him. he's done a great job in wisconsin. weathered three elections so, sure, he's an incredibly important contender for our party but, i mean, look at the stable. there are a lot of people. i just remind people that eight years ago when i was starting this i wasn't even mentioned. i was an asterisk if i even got mentioned in a poll or any conversation. it was, oh, and by the way there are some other people running including. so, it's a little early to take too much into it. now quite honestly if i were at the top of the poll i'd tell you this is very significant. the fact that i'm not i'm going to tell you, well, it's not as important as it seems to be.

that's how this game is played. and dana you know it as well as anybody in america. it's an interesting to see where iowa is moving at this point. i'm delighted to be where i am. it's a very tight bunching. it's a long way. a year from the caucuses today. >> you mentioned 2008. i just want to put on the screen the pack back then. it was small but it was a lot smaller than today so that sort of gives you a sense of how different it is. but also back then, you ran very successfully with no money, i was there, by getting out the grassroots conservatives, the evangelicals, the home schoolers, but you didn't have a lot of other candidates in that part of the field doing that. this time you do, a lot. how are you going to compete with that? >> well, i think the most important thing is that i never really got most of my support from the evangelicals so that was the narrative.

a lot of my support came from people who felt like they were in the bottom of the economic pool and one of the reasons that we attracted a lot of working class people, people who had been democrats, people who weren't that politically connected and people that let's say weren't regular goers to the party meetings were because they saw in what i was talking about how we could truly change this country and make the economy work for the people at the bottom. here's a sad fact. over the past 40 years the people in the bottom 90% of america have had stagnant wages, stagnant. largely because of the instability of the dollar. i think when we talk about these things and how to lift people up, the message gets through. i don't see myself as a one dimensional candidate just with value voters. >> sure. to that point, the person that you -- one of the people that you beat back then was mitt romney. we have to talk about his big news on friday saying that he was not going to run for a third -- run a third time. listen to what he said when he talked to some of his

supporters. >> i believe that one of our next generation of leaders, one that may not be as well known as i am today, one who has not yet taken their message across the country, one who's just getting started may well emerge as being better able to defeat the democrat nominee. in fact, i expect and hope that to be the case. >> the next generation. he's trying to tell you to get out of the way? what do you think? >> i don't think so. you know, i mean, mitts' slipped aside. i looked at it as one down, several more to go. i'm hoping the others drop out and leave me by myself. that would be delightful for me. if that happens the rest of the next few months i would be delighted, dana. that would be great. >> don't hold your breath. governor we're going to squeeze in a break. we're going to talk about your book and what you stay about

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times" best seller list. the whole concept here is about bubbaville, what you call the flyover region of the country versus bubbleville which is where i am in washington, new york, l.a. and the cultural contrast between the two. you talk about it in detail, a whole range of issues. what i want to ask you is if you want to be president you need to reach out to people in bubbleville because you consider yourself part of bubbaville. how do you do that? >> think by being honest. the inches fluns of new york, i don't think many people who are honest about the influence of new york washington and hollywood. if they actually read the book, are going to say, no that just doesn't happen. i mean people are have some understanding about how influential the culture of those three communities are on fashion, finance, politics government music, entertainment, television i think they wop underuld understand,

yeah, there is a difference. that doesn't mean that you don't relate, it just means that you recognize the difference. of course, dana, this book was not so much a political treatise as it is sort of a cultural review of the country and what polarizes it. i think it's not just polarized by democrats and republicans, i really do think it's polarized culturally. that's the essence of the book. it's not safe, sanitized, sterilized as you well know because you read it. i think you would attest to the fact that it is not a typical book written by somebody who is likely to run for office. >> that is a good point. that is true. but let's talk about gay marriage because that is one of the topics in this book and you write about your opposition to same-sex marriage as a religious conviction but you also say this, and i'm going to quote, i have friends who are gay. my wife and i have entertained gay friends including gay couples in our home. i do business with gay people and have had gay people working for me. my beliefs and convictions don't change with the people i'm around. i accept people who disagree

with me and genuinely appreciate that they accept me as a friend and associate. you write that you think that's going to surprise people. do you do that and put your tolerance out there because you believe being gay is not a choice? >> you know, for me that's not the big question. the bigger question is how does it relate to law? how do we change law? we don't change law because some people in a black robe just decide that they don't like the fact that 70% in some case 80% of the state's population have affirmed natural law marriage. i write a lot about process and the fact that barack obama had the same position i had when he spoke about it in 2008 and for the same reason. he said it was because he was a christian and god was in the mix. those are his words. >> i'm going to ask you about gay marriage in one second but just staying on this topic. because you do write very eloquently about it being a religious conviction to oppose gay marriage but then you also

talk about the biblical backings of being heterosexual. given that, how do you kind of square that religious conviction with being open to having gay friends? >> people can be my friends who have lifestyles that are not necessarily my lifestyle. i don't chuck people out of my circle or out of my life because they have a different point of view. i don't drink alcohol but, gosh, a lot of my friends, maybe most of them do. you know, i don't use profanity, but believe me, i've got a lot of friends who do. some people really like classical music and ballet and opera. it's not my cup of tea. i'd like to think there's room in america for people who have different points of view without screaming, shouting, wanting to shut their businesses down. what worries me in this new environment we're in, it's not that someone might disagree, they don't want to argue with me, take a different point of view, they want to close someone's business down, put them really in an economic

position of disenfranchisement. i find that very, very disturbing. >> governor, you talked about gay marriage so let's talk about that and how much your own party has changed even since you ran in 2008. according to pew, in 2008, 19% of republicans supported gay marriage. now it's all the way up to 30%. that's a pretty big jump in not a lot of years. so you talk about the big ten in the republican party. shouldn't there be room for those who want same-sex marriage to be the law of the land? >> sure, there's room in the tent. i hope the party doesn't change its overall view, but, you know, the very fact that i talk about the relationships i have with friends who are gay indicate that i'm not a person who shuts everybody out around me who disagrees. to be honest with you, dana, i find a lot more interesting conversations that i can have with people who don't agree with me. i accept a lot of people as friends maybe whose lifestyle i don't necessarily adhere to,

agree with or practice. doesn't mean that i can't have a good relationship with anyone or lead them or govern them, but for me as it was for president obama in 2008, this is not just a political issue, it is a biblical issue and as a biblical issue, unless, you know, i get a new version of the scriptures, it's really not my place to say, okay, i'm just going to evolve. it's like asking somebody who's jewish to start serving bacon wrapped shrimp in their deli. we don't want to do that. we're not going to do that. or asking a muslim to serve up something that is offensive to him or to have dogs in his backyard. we're so sensitive to make sure we don't offend certain religions, but then we act like christians can't have the convictions they've had for over 2,000 years. >> governor, i have to ask you who is the super bowl team from bubbaville, is it the seahawks or the patriots? >> gosh, once the cowboys

weren't in it it kind of lost its interest for me and i didn't even hug jerry jones. i'm a cowboys fan and that kind of broke my heart. i'm probably going to go with the seahawks because i like their style and i think it'll be fun. they haven't been there as much. give them a shot. >> all right. sounds good. thank you very much for joining us, governor. appreciate it. >> thank you, dana. great to be with you. >> thank you. the vietnam war veteran takes on anti-war protesters. >> you're going to have to shut up or i'm going to have you arrested. get out of here, you low-life scum. >> does john mccain regret calling that protester a lowlife scum? stay tuned. vo: introducing the starbucks flat white. crafted with two ristretto shots for bolder caramel-ly espresso. whole milk...

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john mccain who's chairman of the senate armed services committee. thanks for joining me. >> thank you, dana. >> 2016 politics, mitt romney deciding at the end of the week he is not going to run. you know him, he was your competitor and your friend. does that surprise you? >> i thought he was going to run to tell you the truth when i had heard all of the rumors. i had talked to him on the phone about it and i think he seriously considered it and then i think he decided that it was not in his best interests. i'm a great admirer of mitt romney. i think there's going to be many ways he can continue to serve this country. but he may have, frankly, spared his family from the ordeal, which we all know is a very difficult one. >> you said you thought he was going to run. what did he say to you that made you think that? >> when we talked on the phone he made it very clear to me that he was seriously considering running again, and i'm sure that he spent a lot of time with his family and friends and came to the decision that he made and,

again, i have great respect and affection for mitt romney. i think he ran an honorable campaign. >> do you think he could have won the primary even? >> i don't know because -- the reason why i don't know is, you know, you only have so many chances at the brass ring and then people say, well, it's somebody else's turn. there's no education in the second kick of a mule. >> another person who you knew from those days, sarah palin, she was in iowa this past weekend. i'm sure you saw. she's taking some heat from some conservatives about the speech, the way she spoke and the content of it. just listen to some of it. >> we need to ask who carries on reagan's legacy? who will lead our freedom movement to victory? it's going to take more than a village to beat hillary.

the man can only ride ya when your back is bent so strengthen it. >> what do you make of that? >> she's very popular with a lot of people. i think if she wants to run, that's her choice. she still has a strong base of support. i love her. i am grateful to her. i will say again, i thought the treatment that she received when she was my running mate was still the worst that i've ever seen any politician receive but, you know, that's over and done in my life and i'm sure in sarah's. you move on. >> do you think sarah palin should run for president? >> i think that she ought to do whatever she feels that she'd like to do, and i'm very supportive of anything she does. obviously senator lindsey graham is a person i'm supporting, but i wish her every success. >> after the speech in iowa even some of her conservative supporters said what was that all about, byron york for

example wrote that it was rambling and no one understood what she was doing, but also specifically the republican party needs to figure out what her place is going to be in 2016. do you think she could be an asset in 2016? >> i think so, but i did not see her speech so i can't comment on that. but she still has a strong base of support around the country and, again, i think she is still a degree of popularity. if she did not give a good speech, she's not the first politician that didn't give a good speech from time to time, including me. >> you had her come and campaign with you during your last re-election campaign. you're on the ballot again. >> yes. yes. will she come and campaign for you again? >> oh, sure. i'm sure of that. no question. >> the whole question of 2016 seems to be settled with you because your dear friend lindsey graham is running. are you happy he made this decision? >> i'm happy lindsey has decided

he wants to explore it. he's smart. he's got a great american story of a young man whose parents died, raised his sister, serves in the military. there is no one in america that knows better than lindsey graham about the threats to this country and his knowledge and depth on national security are unmatched by anyone. >> do you really think lindsey graham could win the republican nomination? >> i think lindsey graham will do very well in debates in new hampshire. he will shine in the town hall meeting. >> i asked him about you but specifically whether he would run the maverick campaign like you did in 2000. here's what he had to say. >> john is a dear friend. one of the highlights of my time in politics is for him, and he -- i know he loves me dearly. we're truly friends. but he wouldn't say to anybody that i should be president if he didn't really mean it and believe it.

>> i would point out that he has served his active duty in iraq and baghdad and kabul. he knows the men and women in the military. he knows what they're going through in these foreign places in a way that no one standing for presidency does. lindsey graham does and i'm proud of his service to the country. >> let's turn to israel and the prime minister being invited to speak before congress. the speaker did so without informing the white house, which is traditionally protocol. was that a good idea? >> i think that given the way that relations are between the president and the speaker and majority leader, senator mcconnell, it's not surprising. obviously we would want everybody to work together, but there's a real crisis going on and that is these negotiations with iran which many of us believe are already fatally flawed, that the speaker felt the overriding concern was to have him appear before the american people and tell them

about the dangers of a very bad agreement with iran on nuclear weapons. >> i know you. you are somebody who reveres institutions. and you are an institutionalist. would you have done it a different way though? i mean, and informed the white house about it? it's certainly caused a diplomatic rift. >> obviously i would have talked to the white house, but i may have, and i hate to put myself in these leaders' place, i might have at least informed them but i certainly agree that we don't need their permission given the state of relations. >> what about the relationship between prime minister netanyahu and the president, which is, you know, widely to be known as not great. >> it's poor, as we know, and it's the worst that i've ever seen in my lifetime, and that in itself is a tragedy because it's the only functioning democracy in the entire middle east. >> why do you think it's the worst that you've seen in your lifetime? >> i think because the president

had very unrealistic expectations about the degree of cooperation he would get from israel particularly on the palestinian issue as well as the nuclear issue with iran, and i'm not putting the entire blame on the president of the united states but i will say this -- no other president has had such a difficult relationship with the state of israel since it became a. country. >> bush 41 didn't have the greatest relations at times. >> he didn't, but at the same time it never reached this level. i agree with you about bush 41. i remember when jim baker testified before congress, if they want to call me, my number is 202 -- i remember that. relations with israel have not always been excellent, but i think any observer would argue they've never been worse. >> this past week you had a widely covered moment when you were chairing the armed services committee hearing with henry kissinger where protesters

called him a war criminal and worse. >> arrest henry kissinger for war crimes. >> and you used some language that was also pretty intense. >> i have never seen anything as disgraceful and outrageous and despicable as the last demonstration that just took place about -- you know, you're going to have to shut up or i'm going to have you arrested. get out of here you low life scum. >> now that we're past that, past the heat of the moment, do you think that that was the way you would handle it again? >> yeah. these people were physically threatening henry kissinger. i'm used to people popping up at these hearings and yelling and they're escorted out. that's at least some version of free speech. these people rushed up. they were right next to henry kissinger waiving handcuffs at him. he's a 91-year-old man with a broken shoulder who was willing

to come down and testify before congress to give us the benefit of his many years of wisdom. of course i was outraged and i am still outraged. it's one thing to stand up and protest, it's something else to physically threaten an individual, particularly an individual who has served so much to his country, whether you agree or not. i happen to believe he's one of the great statesmen of my lifetime or maybe of the whole 20th century. >> you called them scum. that name-calling do you think -- >> i think they're terrible people, okay? i think they're terrible people that would do that to a 91-year-old man with a broken shoulder that -- to physically threaten him. no one deserves that much less henry kissinger. >> on a much lighter note super bowl is in your state, in your hometown later today. who's your team?

>> i have reason to dislike both teams because they have beaten the arizona cardinals. but this -- if there was ever a closer game where it is going fob a toss-up and we're going to see it right until the very end, these are two very closely matched teams with two great quarterbacks. and we are going to have more on the big game later. in fact this is a live signal outside the stadium where shortly we'll talk with four-time super bowl winner and mvp lynn swann. but next who's the winner of mitt romney's 2016 stand. down. what's up with hillary clinton? will she? won't she? when will she?

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effects of romney deciding against a third try at the presidency. >> washington post chief correspondent dan ball and donna brazile. the democrat who ran al gore's presidential campaign. thank you, all of you. i want to show a poll. a year out from iowa -- scott walker, top of the pack. dan, you broke the story this week that scott walker started his pac to make the run. what do you make of the fact that he's at the top of the heap? >> well i have a slightly counterintuitive notion on this. i think it's good for him but i think it's early for him to be at the top of the pack. i always thought he was somebody that would creep his way up and be a real factor in this race. he gave a very good speech in iowa a week ago and he clearly got a bump out of that. but to be at the top of that means he's now a target. >> you're exactly right. kevin, it's nice to be at the top but you don't want to peak too early.

>> right. iowa is a particular opportunity for someone like a governor walker to build a profile in that state with those voters then ultimately build a national profile. one handshake at a time. but i didn't think it would happen this early. one of the big risks is that the element of surprise is gone. we usually see somewhere in the summer somebody gr from 2% to top percent. that's now gone. he'll get another level of scrutiny. it will be interesting to see whether or not his campaign is ready for that. >> it goes to show that on the republican side the race is wide open. just a week ago when scott walker appeared he seemed nervous but you know what, the crowd reacted. they liked what he had to say. he's a fresh face. he's run three times over the last four years, won in a blue state. he is somebody -- >> are you trying to talk him up because you think you can knock him down? >> i would like to knock down a few of them. >> as a democrat. >> there are so many republicans running right now. this gives him an advantage to go out there, raise money, get

to meet activists. but i still believe that we're a long way from deciding which candidate from the establishment, from the group of rabble-rousers -- because those are pie favorite republicans, the ones who just like to stir the pots. and of course the cultural wars. mike huckabee being a lead contender. >> you mentioned the establishment. one member of the establishment will not be there, mitt romney. that was the big news this week. i want to read a quote from, dan, your story this weekend. when he was deciding whether or not to run, of course he did a very romneyesque thing. he gathered a lot of data, tried to figure out if it was worth it. here's what you wrote. during the deliberations romney and bush, jeb bush, met once at romney's utah home on january 22nd. romney arrived armed with a mountain of polling day that which his team had collected that seemed to shape his view of the race. romney shared that information as a way of explaining his motivation to thinking about running again. how do you think he went from that to days later saying, oops, never mind. >> it's very interesting.

the information he got, which was polling data a donor of his from the past had commissioned. it showed him in very good shape at this point in a lot of states, up to 20 states as i was told, but what he came to conclude and in part because of the reaction he got after he announced his interest in running again, he concluded that by the time he got through another really tough, brutal republican nomination battle, he might not be in the kind of shape to be able to take on presumably hillary clinton in the general election. i think that according to a couple of people close to him shaped his ultimate decision to not run. >> that's his head. what about his heart? i mean kevin, knowing him, you spent so much time with him both of his presidential campaigns. you know how he makes decisions. you even talked to him so enlighten us. >> no, i think there was a genuine struggle between the head and the heart. i think in his heart he believes he would be a great president. he's uniquely positioned to help

the country given some of the challenges that we have. but there is also this other side to mitt. there's the clinician, data driven guy. i think looking at the field, looking at the prospects of a very divisive primary. he recognized having a republican president come january 2016 this is much larger than him. >> that's hard for somebody -- anybody who runs for president has to have had enough of an ego to think they're the best person. >> it's ego but also that inner circle around them. those of us closest to him really also do believe he'd make a great president. >> they do. >> felt a loyalty to that desire he had. ultimately this was a decision, i think, that he made because it was much bigger than him and because he didn't want that divisive primary. >> wlet let me ask you about hillary clinton. a lot of talk about when she

should get into the race. where are you on this? thud she get in and get her sea legs? >> she's casting a wide net. i'm sure that vice president biden and former governor o'malley and many others thinking about it jim webb former senator from virginia this is an opportunity for her to really figure out is she ready, does she want to put her body through this? what's the rush? there's no "x" mark she needs on the calendar prp the democratic. the democratic party hasn't even decided on a venue for the convention. take her time. >> my is guess is we will see her out if not a formal candidate, as a politician by

mid spring. i don't think she's going to wait entirely until summer. she may wait until summer to make a formal declaration ever candidacy but she's a politician at this point. the idea that she can avoid the notion that she's still, you know, not a politician is, you know, fanciful. so she's in the arena in one form or another. she's taking her time to put together a team that she's comfortable with, that she's different from last time, one that perhaps will be less dysfunctional than the previous one. and as we all know she's trying to figure out what that message is really going to be. >> thank you, kevin, donna, dan. best. politicians of all stripes are not just thinking about their own futszures believe it or not. they are going to be thinking about the super bowl tonight. tonight, former nfl star lynn swann. when heartburn comes creeping up

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politicians have been football fans long before chris christie hugged jerry jones at the cowboys game. teddy roosevelt kept the sport from many outlawed for excessive violence. gerald ford helped the michigan wolverines win two national titles. ronald reagan played college ball, made his mark in the movies playing senator game's george gip. >> go out there and win one for the gipper. >> republican vice presidential nominee jack kemp led buffalo bills to two afl championships and before he ran for governor lynn swann was a four-tirmme super

bowl champ with the pittsburgh steelers. joining me from the site of super bowl xlix is lynn swann and rachel nichols. thanks for joining us, guys. lynn swann, i want to talk to you. talk about what it feels like you won four super bowls with the steelers in six years, you had that famous 64-yard catch and run in super bowl x. what do the players feel like in a few hours, the anticipation. >> just that. it's the anticipation, the excitement that 30 other teams are sitting at home watching them play for the championship and one team is going to walk away with a ring. i should say another ring. it's kind of interesting because seattle will come into it having just played and won a super bowl. so they feel like, okay, this is where we're supposed to be. a lot of guys from the patriots who have never been in the super bowl. so guys like tom brady will be trying to get them to focus and say, look, don't think you're going to get this opportunity every year.

the games you played in, you lose, missed opportunities to get to the super bowl. so take advantage of this moment. everybody, play as hard as you can and leave nothing behind. just go after it. >> rachel, everybody wants to know about tom brady's cold. what do we hear about his health. he's got a cold, right? >> we have evidence finally, tom brady is mortal. he had a problem a lot of the rest of us have. he got sick because his kids got sick at school. the cold ran through his family. apparently giselle is also human this week. sheep got the sniffles, too. it caused him some problems early in the week. the only reason this is an issue for the super bowl, he'll obviously be able to gut it out and play through it. the quarterback is the one yelling on the field. it's going to be loud in there. he gets hoarse throughout the course of the game, it will affect the patriots' offense. he says he's feeling okay and his voice is okay. we'll keep an eye on that as we

go on. >> let's talk, rachel, about your moment with roger goodell. you asked the nfl commissioner about investigations into deflate gate. about investigations into the ray rice domestic violence incident. and whether they can be independent. here's what you asked. >> even when you do everything right in one of those situations, it opens you guys up to a credibility gap with some of the public and even with some of your most high-profile players. >> i think we have done an excellent job of bringing outside consultants in. somebody has to pay them, rachel. so unless you're volunteering, which i don't think you are, we'll do that. >> i said to wolf blitzer, when i grow up, i want to be rachel nichols. i know how hard it is to ask tough questions and i also know that generally when somebody attacks the questioner it means you've struck a nerve. how did you read it?

>> yeah. look i just thought it was a little bit of a missed opportunity for roger goodell. this is a huge issue that people have been talking about. all week from the time we got to arizona, and one of the most high-profile players in the game, richard sherman of the seattle seahawks questioned whether nfl office could really do an investigation into a team where the owner pays the commissioner's salary. in fact, robert kraft who owns the patriots is so close to roger goodell, a recentkrentcent "gq" article named him the assistant commissioner. there are conflicts here. it does present a problem. even if they do things with the highest integrity, even if they do everything right, there is that credibility gap. unless you erase that in the public's mind, unless you erase that in the minds of your own players, it doesn't matter how that investigation ends up. they have got to start to take steps to mitigate that. you hope they are more open to that in the future. these issues are going to keep coming up. it's not like you can make them go away by shooting down a question. >> lynn swann, what do you think

about how the nfl is handling these investigations? i think most of it is just a matter of process. their process hasn't been very good. they have to learn, put better processes in place. you've got 32 owners. they have got to empower the commissioner to do things in a particular way. where he doesn't have to play favorites or do any of those kinds of things. so the commissioner has to have power to be able to make decisions, to bring in a special investigator and have a process that everybody can rely on to make sure. now you take deflate gate. okay. you're not going to have that issue in the super bowl because they changed the process. that process in and of itself is going to change probably for every game throughout the year so it no longer is an issue. >> you mentioned deflategate, so i've got to go there. you were a wide receiver. would you rather be catching a fully inflated ball or a slightly deflated ball, lynn swann? >> i'd rather be catching any

football in the super bowl, whether it's flat, whether it's too hard, whether it's too high or too low, i get paid to catch a ball. i don't care where it is. i think the ball is supposed to be coming in my hands and i hold onto it. and so tom brady, you know, played a great game. if this game was a point or two points, maybe there might be some impact from a softer football. i really don't know. in pittsburgh, bradshaw threw it so hard everything hurt so it didn't really matter. >> we've got to leave it there. very diplomatic answer. lynn swann, rachel nichols, have a great day. have fun out there. we are all very jealous. we'll be right back. welcome back to showdown! jerry rice here with 8 year old andrew hunter debating who will win the big race between the tortoise and the hare. what do you think andrew? rabbits are faster. it's not a rabbit, it's a hare. what's the difference? maybe figure that out before debating the best wide reciever of all time.

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