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of this story. thanks very much for coming. that situation is getting worse. remember you can follow us on twitter. tweet me tweet the show. you can watch us live. dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. thanks very much. erin burnett outfront starts right now. breaking news. isis most bar baric video yet. a jordanian pilot burned inside a cage. jordan vows revenge tonight. we talked to family who refuses all vaccination for their son. my guests are the leading experts on vaccines. a the one time new england patriot star on trial for murder. why did the judge toss out a juror today? let's go outfront.
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good evening. outfront the breaking news. burned alive. the new isis video showing the execution of a jordanian pilot captured by isis. if footage filmed much like a movie. shows the pilot standing in a cage with a line of fuel. the man screams as he's engulfed in flames. it's a video so you gruesome it raises the brutality to a new level. here at cnn we have decided not to show any part of the video because of its horrific nature and because it is for isis a recruiting tool. in a surprising announcement after the video was released the jordanian government reported that the pilot was actually killed almost a month ago on january 3rd. u.s. intelligence seems to agree
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telling cnn a working theory is he was dead before isis threatened to kill him. jordanians took to the streets. it was loud the angry, they are calling for revenge. the pilot was in captivity since december flying a fighter jet. king abdullah is in the united states. he met with president obama a few moments ago and got an plane cutting his visit short after this crisis to return to jordan. president obama vowed his support and said if the video proven authentic proves the barbaricness of isis. >> make sure that they are degrade and defeated. >> jim sciutto is outfront.
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this video more brutal than anybody thought possible. that's the true. >> reporter: it is true. i've seen the video for our own reporting and a lot of things like this competeing in their brutality brutality. jordan preparing a broad base response to this murder. a broad range including military action as well as the execution of isis prisoners in jordanian hands. the king of jordan now gauging public response. tonight it's clear if this was intended to sap support, it's done the opposite. >> reporter: in jordan tonight, mourning and anger. hundreds gathering in the hometown of the lieutenant demanding revenge opinion isis released gruesome images of the
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pilot's death that cnn has decided not to air. they show him burned alive confined a a cage raising the brutal terror tactics to a new and shocking level. jordan announced that the killing likely took place a full month ago and vowed what a spokesman called an earth shaking retaliation. >> translator: his blood will not be shed in vain. their punishment will be a revenge that equals the tragedy that's befallen the jordanians. >> reporter: the news coincided with a visit of the king to washington. he's cutting the trip short to return home. >> it's just one more indication of the viciousness and barbaric of this organization.
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it will redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. >> reporter: still there's been question since the beginning of the air campaign about whether air power alone will be fluff toenough to defeat the terror group. senator lindsey graham argued for thousands of american ground troops. >> there's no way that's possible without american ground component. you're looking at about 10,000. here's the question. is the threat to the homeland sufficient to justify that commitment? i believe it is. >> reporter: while flying a coalition mission over syria in december the pilot was captured by isis when his f-16 jet went down. his
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throughout jordan demanded proof of life for the pilot which never came. now it turns out the lieutenant may have been dead long before any negotiation began. still a lot of questions tonight as to somehow jordan is saying with certainty it wasjanuary 3rd the exact date they believe the pilot was killed. there was unverified and corroborated information that he was dead before the release of today's video but there's no specificity that it was january 3rd but it's likely that jordanian intelligence did their own analysis and looking at the cues in the video and other assets on the ground to determine it was a month ago that this murder happened. >> pretty incredible. they were sitting on a video like that for what they deemed the right moment to release it. thanks so much to you.
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you have seenening anger and deep anger on the streets tonight. >> reporter: erin real shock, anger and disgust here on the streets and also demonstrations not only taking place here in the capital but also in southern jordan in the hometown of the pilot. people are calling for blood. they say his blood should not be shed in vain. they are hoping their government will strike back. we're hearing from the jordanian army and the government saying that they are going to have a harsh response to this. amongst the calls we were hearing on the streets, people were calling for the execution of jihadist members of al qaeda, isis prisoners being held in jordanian prison. one man was holding a banner
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that said we should burn their prisoners like they are burned our pilot. all eyes are on the jordanian government to see what response they will have to this. a lot of pressure on them to act fast. >> thank you very much. reporting live from jordan tonight. the state department spokeswoman. good to have you with under the circumstances. jordan has vowed revenge. some people with signs saying that jordan should burn isis related prisoners the same way that isis burned their pilot. they're calling for the immediate execution of that woman. would the united states support that. >> let me first say the united states has dealt with some of these tragedies of losing our own citizens. we understand and feel for the pain of the people of jordan as they are going through this.
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this video only became public in the last 12 hours. it's very new, fresh and understandable that people are reacting strongly. you mentioned that the king is heading back to jordan. the government will decide what they'll do. we support the government of jordan. i'm not going to get ahead of anything that's determined. i would remind you the woman they're holding was attempting to commit a terrorist act. sgr you're talk . >> you're talking about the family bomber. you're going to support jordan in whatever they do but do you fear this will hasten the killing of a 26-year-old woman, an american female that isis still has hostage tonight.
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>> i think you know how strongly we feel about doing everything we can to help bring an american citizen home. look i think we've seen the president say that today. that's how the secretary feels. we're not going to bow to their threats and rhetoric. we take a number of steps behind the scenes to do everything we can do bring these people home. i'm not going to predict what's going to happen. >> the president today, president obama responded to this. he said the killing by isis will redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition. what does that mean specifically for the united states? what is the united states going to do differently? >> well over the course of the last several months we've picked up the number of air strikes we have done. we worked to equip and provide stance in form of military assistance. we have done more training. we're about to start our training program. this have been a progressive
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build up. we're in the building process in syria now. what he means is we remain as committed as we were a week ago. we're not going to bow to the threats of terrorists. we're going to stand with our coalition and other members out there and keep fighting to degrade and defeat iesil. >> in jordan there had been demonstrations in the past few days. they had enough of it. obviously rkts what has happened might strengthen that resolve. are you concerned about backlash against the united states? this arab coalition may become more fragile and more on the united states to fight this war. >> to date it's been not just a coalition of arab countries. there are many european
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countries that are doing air strikes in iraq. australia has given a range of supplies. i think it's too preliminary to do analysis of what the reaction on the ground is going to be. that's why the king is returning and being at home in a time of crisis is an important thing for any leader to do. countries, including the united states including many of the country's in the coalition have dealt with these tragedies in the past. we continue to fight this fight. that's what we anticipate will happen moving forward. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. next, inside isis horrific video. our most seasoned terror anl assists are speechless. we'll tell you what happened step by step. we're not going to show the video but we will explain it to you. is this a turning point in the war on terror? a mother explains why her son has never been vaccinated for anything and why he'd be better off getting the measles.
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breaking news jordan's president wrapping up a after a video shows a disgusting video showing a pilot burned alive in a cage. the u.s. intelligence community says there's little reason to doubt the authenticity of the video. cnn has decided not to show any of the producers. we're not showing the video but it's important to say that unlike it's very much unlike any of the other videos we have seen in the past.
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when i watched it today, what does it show? >> erin if you thought the beheaded videos were stomach churning and disgusting enough this goes another step. the pilot in cage. they are throwing fuel on him. he appears to have been beaten. there are bruises. they throw fuel on him. they light him on fire and he perishes within minutes. this is just something that has horrified the world. it's also horrified the islamic world and people across the middle east as they look at it. this is what king abdullah of jordan is flying to tonight. people very upset and distress distressed. the tribes provide political upset and the jordanian military having lost one of their own. >> barbara, when we take this video into account, this is a muslim a young muslim man who is walked into cage.
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they light the fuel leads into the cage and he's lit ralerally burned alive. they are burning a muslim man alive. these videos have been used by isis as a recruiting tool. this is something that's going to turn people away. >> this is what they hope. in man burning another man, in a human, burning a human, even burning an animal punishment by fire is prohibited in islam at the hands of another. many people across the islamic world are viewing this video as the ultimate ultimate insult to the faith, the true faith of islam and only adding to their upset and distress. it's very upsetting to people in
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the region. >> thank you very much. this video is something we have never seen before. it's a new level for isis. why would that burn this man alive? >> isis is in the business of propaganda. in many ways they are upping the ante in terms of the attention and brutality that they are engaged in. i think there's also something to this and that i think they're sending a clear message to the arab members of the coalition and sunni muslim who is may be engaged in the fight against isis that this is the way they're going to be treated. they're going to be treated brutally and more brutally than other members of the coalition.
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i think this is part of a broader propaganda campaign meant to shock and create awe and to terrorize and to send a message to jordan and those fighting that this is what will come if they're captured. >> i have never seen such brutality that will shock everybody. this is prohibited by islam. it's going to have a profound negative effect against the islamic state across the middle east. it sits in tribal areas. this pilot was a member of a tribe.
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this is going to fritter away at their support in the long run. gainst isis. it's barbaric. kill 141 school children in
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pakistan. they are not operating under the same level of moe ralty that the western world has established. >> this happened and it happened a month ago. that he went through a month of fake negotiations. they sat on this video. >> they want their ideas to portray him as a western pawn. i think it's not going to make any difference because they really don't have a good grasp that they brought this entire coalition on their heads by these soulless murders.
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they're calculations are not ours in propaganda or moerality. how this is going to turn more importantly than the west muslims against this movement which does need to be destroyed as quickly as possible. >> what can the u.s. do to save that 26-year-old woman? do we have chance to save her? >> there's always hope if you have someone alive and there's proof of life. part of this is gathering more intelligence trying to find out where she is. we have gathered that kind of intelligence in the past. one of the things the jordanians can do and that's to gather key intelligence through their tribal sources and other key contacts. i imagine they're going to probably up their effort on intelligence collection and perhaps bring more mettle to the
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fight. part of what we need to do is figure out where they are holding the other hostages and rescue them. it's clear they're not going to negotiate in good faith and they realized the hostages are strategic pawns. we're going to talk to a woman who has never had her son vaccinated. she fears vaccines could cause cancer or autism. a juror thrown out of case. why? that's coming up. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly
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the measles out break is growing tonight. there's cases reported in 15 states. the cases are linked to one another. so far neither has been traced to the disney land outbreak in california. that's the starting point. this is now bigger than that. the latest scare are raising questions about why parents are choosing not to vaccinate their children. dan simon begins our coverage
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with one family's story. >> your son is 8 years old. has he been vaccinated for anything? >> no. >> reporter: she's a single mother in california an area with an unusually high number of parents who refuse to vaccinate. some schools approaching 50% when it comes to personal exemptions. >> when people see this tonight, they may accuse you of being an irresponsible parent what do you say? >> if i believed my decision was doing any harm to other children i wouldn't make this decision. i don't believe that. >> reporter: like others against vaccines she said she's convinced they can cause
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multiple come multiple complyicationscomplications. she says it happened with her friend's child. >> from the day they had the mmr, from that day forward he started to exhibit signs of autism, which he had never exhibited before. >> reporter: a belief debunked by the medical community. her son may be better off in the long run by getting a disease like measles. >> it may be better for the children to contract these when they are children and build their immunity. >> reporter: don't tell that to this pediatrician who refuses to accept patients who don't vaccinate. >> i have seen children with brain damage from measles. >> i'm not here to debate you. i'm here to understand your point of view. what do you say to those who argue that the medical research is overwhelming that vaccines are safe and prevent serious diseases? >> i think it's difficult for me and many other people in this
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country to trust the medical system when it's largely become a for profit industry. >> reporter: distrust a common refrain of those opposed to vaccines. she says she's not. she just doesn't want them for her child. >> how would you feel if your son got the measles and got another person sick? that person ended up being really sick and died. how would you be able to handle that as a parent knowing that? >> that would be absolutely awful if something like that happened just as it would be awful if i accidental hit another car and a child died in that car crash. i don't think that my son is going to put any other children at risk either. >> a lot of people out here just like kelly. we want to get a sense of why they do. we talked about some schools
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approaching 50% when it comes to the unvaccinated. there are some third world countries that do better than that. children in those countries do better when it comes to some of the vaccination rates in parts of marin county. >> it's stand your grounding and important statistic. only a few countries in the world would have vaccination rates below marin county. the nation's leading expert on vaccines and infectious disease. he's the author of "deadly choices." thank you for being with us. you just heard the mother dan simon interviewed. she believes in what she's saying. if i believe my son could cause harm to other children by not being vaccinated i wouldn't be doing this. she thinks these diseases can build her son's immunity.
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what do you say to her? >> well i think sadly, people are compelled by fear much more than reason. i think the reason like this particular mother chose not to vaccinate her child is because she doesn't fear the disease. i fear the disease. i live through the 1991 philadelphia measles epidemic where in a 3-month period we had nine deaths. it can cause serious harm and can kill you. what we have to be seeing in this country which is measles coming back with more than 100 cases that we have to sort of suffer our bad choices by watching children suffer diseases which are preventible. it's always the children that seem to suffer our ignorance. >> you heard her specifically mention autism. she said something i've heard other parents say, you heard it. maybe in their heart of hearts they still have a fear about it. she said the day her friend's
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child got the mmr vaccine the autism struck. i hear people say that the light went out in their eyes. it's been retracted. there's been multiple studies showing no link to autism. people are still afraid. you've done a will the of work on it. can you explain why there's no link between autism and the mmr vaccine. >> i think it's perfectly fair to ask the question. my child was fine. they got the mmr vaccine and they weren't fine. could the vaccine have done it? that's a reasonable question. it's a question that can be answered and has been. now you have more than 14 studies done on three continents who did or didn't get the mmr vaccine and those who got it were at no greater risk than those who didn't get it. all it does is increase your risk of measles, mumps and
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rubella. >> you're considered a lightning rod. you've been called the devil's servant servant, dr. profit. you get death threats. you still keep coming out here. you're telling people these vaccines are not just safe but crucial and necessary. why is this worth it to you? >> i think we care deeply and their health. there's not a year that goes by where there's not a child that suffers. the parent had chosen not to vaccinate them. the eyes on the prize. these children will stand up for them. i think at children's hospital philadelphia that's what we do. >> thank you very much. there's a lot more you can read about online. i've been open about my view.
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i am vaccinated my 1-year-old son. we know measles kill four to five people a year. some believe it's a childhood rite of passage and not worried. when i hear that i think about something every american should worry about. that's polio. children are vaccinated against polio just like their vaccinated against mmr. here is a picture of some american toddlers with polio. they're never going to walk again like they could. here are children who never ever walked again because of polio. this was this country before the polio vaccine. according to the cdc in the late 1940s and 1950s polio crippled an average of 35,000 people in the united states every single year. people who not vaccinated now have never seen anyone with polio. people who don't vaccinate don't imagine their child never walking again because of polio. they don't imagine how they would feel if their child infected another child with polio. they can't imagine standing in
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on. the dismissal taking place as we're learning new details about his odd behavior in the hours of being accused of orchestrating the murder of his friend. >> reporter: he loses an ally when a female juror gets the boot. the trial judge questions her fairness. >> the juror expressed an opinion to the effect that in the absence of a weapon it would be hard to convict. >> reporter: that opinion could have helped the defense because the.45 caliber gun used to kill odin lloyd is still missing. prosecutors say the former new england patriot tight end is seen holding that weapon in this home security video recorded minutes after lloyd's death in 2013. his girlfriend breaking down in tears on the witness stand tuesday describing the moment police called to tell her lloyd had been shot dead.
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>> what did you learn? >> >> that odin was dead. >> prosecutors have lloyd on video getting picked up at his house in car driven by hernandez taken to an industrial park near hernandez's home where he's shot six times. after learning lloyd is dead jenkins said she drives to lloyd's home to console his family. prosecutors asked whether hernandez does the same thing. >> when if ever did you see the defendant? >> objection. >> never. >> reporter: later at hernandez's home jenkins said hernandez consoles her. >> he asked me if i was okay. put his hand on my shoulder, king of rub kind of rubbed my shoulder and told me he'd been through this death thing before and it will
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get better before time. >> reporter: she said her sister was acting secretively while receiving calls and text messages getting a coded text message from hernandez. she borrows her sister's car saying she needs to run to the bank. prosecutors say she used the car to throw out a garbage bag suspected of holding that still missing murder weapon. hernandez has pleaded not guilty and prosecutors are using her to set up these coded text messages that hernandez sent her. we'll see what happens after that. >> thank very much. the dismissal of this juror. some people may have laughed thinking dismissed because she's a bigger patriots fan than she let onto be. you're saying it's significant. it will show how difficult this case is to prosecute. >> one is she lied about how big
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a fan she was but she said something else. she had formed an opinion that because no murder weapon was recovered that there was no case against hernandez. when they search hernandez's house, no gun. ironically what happens in court today. the sister of hernandez's fiancee testifies that her sister goes down stairs with a trash bag and then leaves after getting strange text messages from hernandez and she borrows the car and takes off. she's the fiancee and mother of the the child of a $40 million football player. i don't think she's going to be removing too much trash unless there's a gun in there. >> this comes down to the
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circumstantial evidence which is strong. four people drive into the forest. three people come out. a guy reaches into his pocket. all those things are still circumstantial. >> it's still a problem case because jurors want to see 100% especially when there's a celebrity on trial and, you know a circumstantial case they'll say nobody saw him pull the trigger. if i were arguing, i would say you think there was reasonable doubt with this gun. reason doubt was taken out with the trash by the fiancee. >> thank you. next the latest on bobbi kristina's condition. new details tonight about one of the men who found her unconscious. his rap sheet includes weapons,
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christina brown. accused of driving a woman who she wouldn't bleed him. executive producer at tmz has been reporting on this. start with this max lomax. what do you know about him as relationship with bobbi kristina and husband, let me put that in quotes nick? >> that was smart to put that in quotes. max lomax was a friend of theirs and at the house. supposedly to resuscitate bobbi kristina on saturday. he was arrested two weeks ago, as you said erin. the family of this girl who was his girlfriend felt that he had drugged her. when the cops came they found over five ounces of weed in the house and in addition they found marijuana grinders digital scale of a thousand
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ziploc bags and obviously the strong evidence he was dealing drugs and that's what they charged him with. this is important because we know that the cops went back a second time and did a search and we are told by the family members of people connected with the family that they found drugs, that's what caused supposedly told the family they found drugs at bobbi's house. that's relevant and cops think it's relevant that max has this past. >> especially with the parallels of whitney houston and her daughter. bobby brown released a statement. to correct earlier reports, bobbi said she's married to nick gordon her brother. brought him in not blood brother but lived in the same house, they grew up together.
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what's the significance to bobby brown denying daughter is married to this guy? >> well there are family conflicts going on here, erin. and part of this is a lot of people in that family don't like nick gordon. and they don't want him to have access to bobbi kristina and certainly don't want him to have any kind of inheritance rights. whether there was a will we don't know if there was or wasn't. they don't like this guy. that's why him not being married to her would be relevant. you're right. she has said they were married but they are saying it's not true and we by the way, have heard that from other people as well. i will mention quickly there's also some bitterness between bobby brown's family and whitney houston's family. and that they are not getting along well in this hospital. and whitney's people are
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particularly upset with bobby and his family. >> harvey thank you very much. really appreciate it. >> okay erin. >> thank you, and outfront next. it may be the most famous interception in super bowl history or infamous depends who you're rooting for. what's called the worst call in the history of life. major: here's our new trainer ensure active heart health. heart: i maximize good stuff like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. new ensure active heart health supports your heart and body
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forgive and forget but some people are having a hard time of pete's goal line play call. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: you think by now we'd be over it. put the intercepted pass in the past. >> the worst call ever. >> reporter: but the putdowns keep spanning ever great periods of history. >> that was a most idiotic call in the history of sports. >> it was the worst play call in the history of life. >> reporter: this is like an escalating arms race. an arms race of insults. >> we see the most ludicrous ridiculous and idiotic play call i've ever ever seen. >> if i live to be 200, i will never see as anything as dumb in my life. >> reporter: adding injury to insult the internet. picturing seattle coach pete carroll manning a drive-through window. should i just hand this to you or step back five yards and throw it for no reason?
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late night comics joke about the play that wasn't chosen no handoff to beast mode. >> even though the patriots won, you really got to hand it to marshawn lynch. you really got to hand it. >> reporter: even usher chimed? >> no beast mode? one yard? >> reporter: espn's keith ol ber man mocked the explanation by comparison. >> we decided to call another call. >> i personally believe that u.s. americans -- >> reporter: from the historical. >> maybe the dumbest since robert e. lee sent into the northern line at the gettysburg bowl in 1963. >> reporter: to the gut. coaches getting kicked around his brain analyzed. >> even great can have. >> reporter: this was a brain cramp. win? nah, i'll pass. jeanne moos cnn.
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new york. >> that's the calmest estest ek lep tick person i've seen. he "ac360" begins right now. good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. reaction and plenty of it tonight including from the white house just moments ago after the latest assault on human decency from the killers known as isis. calls of retribution in iman, jordan after terror group in incineration burning to death of captured jordanian fighter pilot. we say because we've not authenticated it ourselves but there can be no doubt at all about what these killers have done. burned this man alive after stringing jordan suggesting he was not already dead. now said he was killed about a month ago. the isi