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future will be filling in the blanks about who jeb bush is. >> we got to leave it right there. our conversations will continue. you can follow us on twitter. you can tweet me at wolf blitzer. we'll see you back here in "the situation room" tomorrow. erin burnett outfront starts right now. breaking news, the u.s. military moving assets into iraq in the war against isis. a live report from the pentagon. dramatic video, a plane barely clearing tall buildings, tumbling sideways into a bridge. it appears more than a dozen people survivored. the measles outs break growing tonight opinion just how easy is it to opt out of vak vaccinations.
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what can you tell us? >> there's a lot to understand behind the scenes. aircraft that would go in with troops and try to rescue any downed pilot on the ground. any pilot from the coalition. you'll remember the jordanian pilot had mechanical trouble. some members have been concerned that search and rescue assets were not close enough by if one of their pilots went down. tonight, we know that the u.s. has moved some additional air assets, some additional rescue aircraft into northern iraq. i can't emphasis strongly enough. it's not because of this situation that the uae got out of coalition air strikes because it was concerned. it's not because of the jordanian pilot in particular.
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in fact, what really happens is the coalition moves these aassets for search and rescue around all the time depending on where the targets are depending on what they're doing. it's something to watch but gives us more insight into how the coalition is operating and how they move things around. >> as the u.s. president is about to ask for authorization for force. isis releasing another video, that young buy we were just talking about saying he would burn alive that pilot if he had the chance. what can you tell us about this video? >> the video is disturbing because it shows people in syria, which is the isis stronghold in northern syria assembling outside, watching a number of large video screens, watching the execution chanting
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and cheering. i think it needs to be said we do not know how many of these people may have been compelled by isis to turn out on the street and watch all of this. erin. >> thank you. also tonight, there are new questions about whether the president's much touted coalition to fight isis is crumbling. >> reporter: the king of jordan now back home to grief and rage. now promising relentless war against isis. jordanian vowing revenge, an earth shaking response. that means preparing to step up air strikes. while in washington the king told senators needs more help. >> we need some technical types. there's a huge bottleneck.
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>> reporter: at the same time comes the news never mentioned by the administration that the unite arab emirates has suspended its air strikes. >> john i can tell you the pace of operations in syria has not slowed. >> reporter: the administration touts that the coalition is 60 countries strong. when you look at who is conducting air strikes that number drops way down to eight in iraq and in syria now only four. the u.s., jordan, saudi arabia. the u.s. still doing the lion's share. 943 air strikes in syria. four of the other nations combined have done 79.
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that means the countries in that region have contributed only about 3% of total air strikes. will they step up? >> as terrible as this thing was it was a gelling force. it caused the country of jordan to realize that they were next the cross hairs of isis but secondly it also shows what a dastardly organization this is. they are killing more fellow muslims than westerners in this conflict conflict. >> reporter: analysts see this will have a real mobilizing affect on arab partners feeling that the ua suspension of air strikes will be only temporary that they be pressure to do more. it will increase the air strikes but intelligence getting into the tribes across the boardrder.
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erin. >> thank you very much. they did have excellent intelligence. they figured out when the pilot had been killed. southern western intelligence could not do. robert o'neil along with general spider marx. >> they're saying there weren't adequate procedures in place to rescue personnel. it's a serious issue. maybe a fair point. i'm confused by it. it seems if you're going to war you're part of a coalition. you're going to accept that some of your fighting force may die, will risk their life. you can't say i'm only going to go in if no one will get hurt. >> what you do is do your risk assessment and mitigate that risk and make a determination as to whether you can exkutsecute the
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tasks as defined. isis achieved it objectsive. isis right now is checking a block saying that's one less coalition part nerner. how do you step up the pressure against isis that gets well beyond just air strikes. these are very aggressive air strikes and very pointed. the case in point is you've got to contain it and at some point there has to be without doubt. there has to be a coalition that allows for boots on the ground and it's got to have moderate arab nations that are bringing this force to bear. >> not just small parts of it. when you look at the landscape it's a complete war zone. the united states has no intelligence on the ground. you've been on many rescue mission, also the mission to rescue captain phillips. if there was an american pilot
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being held now. would you feel comfortable, given this environment, going in to try to rescue him? >> we would be doing everything we could. would we be comfortable? probably not. we're going to need boots on the ground not necessarily americans. right now we don't have it. that leads to everything. how are we getting there? how is there going to be resistance. if it's not the right place is it trapped. . >> interesting point about the boots on the ground. the latest numbers for the war against isis and syria are this. 92% of the air strikes have been
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conducted by the united states. about 8% by arab nations. when you hear numbers like that, is it a coalition? >> it is but not in the complexity you want to have with the various members. clearly the united states takes the lead and willing to risk its young men and women on missions like this in order to accomplish the task the president has laid out for and we signed up for. we have to drag along our partners our coalition partners to step up. they sign up but not willing to do the heavy lifting. we have signed up for an intergenerational fight where the united states will do 90% of it. this will take over 20 years.
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we're going to have to accept it. it's the new normal. we've taukds aboutlked about that. the real notion is real. it's accurate. >> is there any hope to rescue the american woman? there's a 26-year-old american woman being held by isis still tonight. is there hope to rescue here? >> there's always going to be hope just based on every one on our side. from the intelligence to the operators to the people that duo have on the ground. yes, there's hope and we're capable of it. we need to be more realistic. we need to improve our chances by improving the percentage on the battlefield. >> what country will send those men and women in?
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the measles out break growing today. the last moments of transasia flight 235 as it crash crashes into the river. there were survivors. we have their stories. a commuter train slamming into an suv dragging it four feet. we have new details on this crash. our eyes they have a 200-degree range of sight. which is good for me. hey! and bad for the barkley twins. your brain can send information to the rest of your body at 268 mph. three times the speed of a fastball. take care of your most important parts with centrum. multivitamins expertly designed with nutrients people don't get enough of from food alone. centrum.
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the surgeon general saying we're at a tipping, critical tipping point. he stopped short saying there won't be a requirement from the federal government for parents to vaccinate. >> you would not want to significantly change the opt out process overall? you still want to allow people to exempt based on personal religious or medical reasons? >> on that i would say while i don't necessarily believe that we are at a stage where we need
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a federal mandate when it comes to vaccinations i'm not in favor of expanded exemption process. i'm concerned the current state is too permissive. >> 19 states claim parents to claim personal belief exemptions which could be because you don't like the toxins. is this increasing trend putting children in harm's way? >> reporter: engulfing 14 other states. in california a state where parents are allowed to refuse to immunize their children. now almost 100 confirmed cases. >> the more kids aren't vaccinated the more risk there is that measles will regain a foothold in this country.
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a foothold that took hold in the city of brotherly love. >> i lived there the measles epidemic and i think anybody that lived by that ended up being scarred by it. >> reporter: it engulfed 1400 people and killed nine of two churches refused to vaccinate their kids citing religious believes. >> it was incredibly painful to watch these children being pulled out their homes one of the next dead from measles. >> reporter: the city got a court order to forcibly vaccinate the church's children. >> it was terrible. >> reporter: could that play out today. >> i think it would. hopefully it won't. >> reporter: 48 states allow for religious exemptions. 19 states allow philosophical exemptions. in california where vaccination
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rules are more lenient. more than 18,000 kindergarteners were allowed to skip vaccinations. >> nobody is ask to see where it says don't get vaccinated. >> over the last five years the medical community has watched with alarm has people all across america have been citing personal reasons to avoid vaccinations. you're talking the amish in ohio orthodox jews. >> the latest numbers are just in. there are now 99 confirmed eded cases of measles in california.
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now fully a third of those cases no one knows, according to the california health department how those people were exposed to the virus. measles was declared eliminated in 2000 but measle cases arising in california now. you're a doctor. you must be so frustrated to see this. >> we are very concerned to see the spread of measles in california. we're working very hard to control this current outbreak. that's really our primary focus to make sure that we take every step to prevent additional transmission. >> let me talk about this. you just heard susan reporting on it. let me make sure. this is different from a religious belief. you have a forum in california. parents got to talk to their
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doctor. acknowledge their doctor told them about vaccines and they can check that they don't want their children to be vaccinated. why do you believe in personal belief exemptions? >> i'm not going to get into the political question of how the personal belief exemption is structured. i think we are taking steps to ensure that as many people as possible are immunized. that's one of the reasons we've been implemented the new law that requires that parents talk to a doctor before they take the personal belief exemption. that new law was modelled on a successful experience in the state of washington which did something similar and saw a decline in personal belief exemptions. we have done the same thing. in first year following that change we saw a 20% decrease. >> that 20% drop i want to get into that in little more detail. it sounds good.
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i believe it was from 3.1 to 2.5. we went through your website county by county. there were counties where the exempt exemption rose. in san francisco county the personal belief exemptions went up 10%. all of these levels would put be vaccinated population rate below what it needs to be for heard immunity. that's clearly a problem. what are you going to do about it? >> well i think you're making a very good point. one of the concerning things about people being unimmunized. that's something we've been monitoring as well. what we're doing about it is we're working hard with a variety of partners to convey the importance of immuneizationsimmunizations.
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>> back to this personal belief exemption. part of the reason these rates in these counties are rising. it's causing the rate to dip below that that you can start to lose if it's less than 95% of the population is not immunized. >> something that the study tells them no no. ery important point about the importance of believes. the reality is there's this tremendous proliferation of
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information that's out there for parents. it can be very very confusing. part of our job is to make sure that they have accurate sources of information. that's part of the importance of having them talk to a doctor as well. research has shown the most fluential voice in parent's decisions is their doctor. doctors have tools at their disposal know how to talk to parents about these issues. we have been working to provide those for them and this new vaccination law creates another opportunity for doctors to talk to those parents. >> the law of california is the law. below 90%. you end up in a situation and can start to get sick. you can have an epidemic.
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>> the state of mississippi don't allow exemptions for personal belief. they haven't had a single case this year. because of this exemptions and people that die because people choose not to get vaccines how does that make you feel? >> the first step we can take here is to make this information available. that's something we've been working hard at at the california department of public health. we take that information and put it up there on the website for you and for others to see. people can go in and see what the situation is in their school. that's a critical first step so that people understand what's actually happening. that can lead to an opportunity for a conversation about why are these decisions being made and what are the implications of these decisions. one of the things we've seen with the current outbreak is
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that a lot of conversation about the importance of these decisions for the entire community. i think that's a very healthy conversation to have. i'm glad that we're thinking about the benefits of vaccines. >> thank you so much for your time. i appreciate it. trying to fight the spread of that measles virus. the plane landed upside down in the river. yet there were survivors including a 2-year-old child.
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degrees and struck that taxi and a highway and plunged into the river. we are now learning that minutes after the jet left the airport, the pilot issued a mayday call declaring a engine flame out. rescuers are looking for the few passengers still missing. of the nearly 60 on board there were survivors. 15 survivored. you'll you'll hear some of their stories. david, what are they saying about the crash tonight? >> the grim search for survivors, more than 12 people unaccounted for still under way. the search for answers under way as well. investigators have what they need. not only the black boxes but that incredible video giving them a first hand look at just what may have gone wrong. >> reporter: dramatic dash cam video captures the final seconds
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of transasia airways flight 235. the pilot's desperate call. >> mayday mayday. >> reporter: with the plane losing power the lift wing dips. it hits a passing taxi and hits the bridge before crashing below. of the 58 passengers and crew on board, more than 30 were killed. more than a dozen injured. about 11:00 a.m. local time the twin engine turbo is flying low and slow as it barely clears a tall building. it appears the left propeller stalled. after slamming into this cab the wing then the tail strike the bridge. the cab driver and his passenger survived. the plane is designed to fly only on one engine but experts say it's difficult. >> it's very tricky and often what happens is what you see here. one wing dips. it pitches over and it can lead
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into a stall. >> reporter: receiptsscuers pulled survivors from the wreckage, including this little boy who appeared to be in good condition. the rescue operation went on well into the night. officials say the plane was less than a year old and had just completed a safety check. both black boxes were recovered from the plane's tail. it's transasia's second fatal crash in recent months. last july a similar plane crashed in heavy rain. 48 were killed. it's been a deadly time for a part of the world experiencing a tremendous spike in air travel from the crash of air asia flight of 8501 to the still miss missing malaysia flight. >> oh my god. >> reporter: back to july 2013
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when flight 214 crashed in san francisco. three died. more than 180 injured. >> when ever you have a dramatic build up in demand for aviation and airlines are adding aircraft very quickly, there tends to be an increase in accidents because there's such a rush to get more equipment, more pilots, more service, more planes. you're bringing a lot of pilots online quickly. >> reporter: the fuselage lying upside down was pulled from the river. >> erin what's happening right now in taipei search and rescue teams are out on the surface of the river. they are lowering equipment into the water to look and listen for any sign of life. on the banks the mangled wreckage of the fuselage from the transasia flight luggage, dozens of pieces has been lined up in neat rows outside the wreckage. the grim reality is that many of
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those pieces will never be reclaimed by their owners. >> that is the grim reality. thank you very much. doming over ing coming over the highway and then it veers. >> by the time this video, whatever caused the engine's to flame out, the mayday had already happened. this plane is only a few hundred feet in the air. at its maximum we believe it got to about 1300 feet. it's about five miles from the airfield. what you're looking at is firstly what caused the engine flame out. the i thinkengine stopped. since this is one of the things that pilots practice did both engines fail or just one? if one failed the plane should
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have been able to continue flying. >> wouldn't it have been because this was a -- >> no. the plane is designed to compensate for that. also it is the single greatest thing that pilots practice is losing an engine. >> being able to balance. >> the critical moment of flight. the final thing to ask if both engines failed, a disaster was inevitable. >> miles, i want to play what the pilot said before crashing. here it is. >> mayday mayday engine flame out. >> when you hear that. if one of the engines failed would that be enough to cause the plane to bank like it did or do you think you're looking at a double engine failure? >> couple of thoughts here.
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it seems like they might have had things backwards because they weren't comming that aircraft. it's important to know yes, there's enough power on one engine to fly the aircraft. obviously, not well but get it back safely to the airport. however, if the engine that fails doesn't feather, which is to say the prop continues to wind mill and the prop is not put edge on it might as well be a giant trash can lids out there. if that's the case is next to impossible. what the crews should do is pull the power back on the existing engine and try to do a sully style landing. if the autofeather failed and if the crew didn't use the manual auto-feather or confused to which engine is out, which frequently happens. this could easily be an uncontrollable situation. >> obviously, you're saying the event happened but the plane
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goes over the highway and over the river. is it possible they were aiming for the river? >> who knows. that turn is or that bank to the left wing is so brutal. i think also this question of feathering feathering. basically what you're doing, if this is if you come out you'll see the propeller. you've got to turn the propeller so that it is not like a sledge hammer into the wind at that crucial moment. that's what miles is describing. that's why you may see this left wing. i think that that last moment is one of extremist and was not a carefully calculated. >> miles, a local survivor is telling a paper, we'll have their stories. they had no warning. there was no explosion.
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what would they have experienced? would they have known something was wrong in the last seconds? >> i don't know how much realization they would have had. this would have happened quickly. i'm certain they didn't have an opportunity to make an announcement. this would have been a very sudden quick end for those who did not survive. >> it was. there were survivors. thanks so much to both of you. next as many as a dozen people may have survivored. the youngest passengers may have had the best shot and one of them was so very very young. plus, a train crash, a deadly one. a scene that's horrific and unimaginable. that's the description of those there. right here in the united states. how did it happen? ..is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic for walk-in medical care. and created
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it crashed into a river below. at least 30 lost their lives. in so many plane crashers there are not survivors. in this one there were. men, women and children who walked away from a crash that left their plane in pieces. pamela brown is outfront with the survival. >> reporter: moments after this plane crash rescuers raced to the scene. this toddler survived. he was pulled eded from the wreckage and placed into the arms of a rescuers in the boat. >> a child has several advantages. their bones are more pliable. they can with stand higher forces without fracture. >> reporter: on land rescuers are seen rushing other bloody survivors to the hospital. >> they have suffered trauma
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from their heads and legs and limbs and body. >> reporter: a taxi driver and passenger inside this mangled car hit by the plane also survived. the driver told be press he fainted when it happened. one first responders who went into the plane right after the crash said many passengers were tangled up in their seat belts and hung upside down. surviving plane crash like this depends on a number of factors depending altitude fire and better planes. >> seats are supposed to have greater g-force resistance. making a plane crash survivable is something our own ntsb has been interested in for years. >> so far 31 confirmed dead. 12 still missing. the search and rescue still going on tonight. a 1-year-old toddler and his parents survived but still
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unclear if that's referring to the little boy in the video or another child rescued from the crash. >> thank you so much. so incredible to see that child just surviving. next a deadly crash in the united states. a commuter train colliding with an suv. rail crossings may be the most dangerous part of a drive home. on a lighter night, a coast guard'sman rescue. one very cold, very lucky canine.
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the victims in tuesday's deadly train crash are being identified tonight. six people were killed. trying to get home during rush hour in new york city when the train smashed into ana cabrera suv an suv. so severe the suv ramped 400 feet down the track farther than the length of a football field. martin savidge is outfront. >> reporter: used the same word to describe the tragedy in new york. >> the emergency windows. screaming, yelling, it was total panic. >> reporter: it happened during tuesday evening's rush hour. officials say a woman in a black
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suv became when the crossing gate came down on the vehicle. investigators want to know not just what happened but why. >> we know that we want to send somebody to look at the signals, the rail traffic signals, the highway signals as well as the crossing arms. >> reporter: the intersection of rails and roads has always been a problem. the internet full of heart stopping videos showing near miss collisions caught on camera. according to operation lifesaver, a person or a vehicle is hit by a train about every three hours in this country. to see the problem from an engineer's perspective, cnn took a ride in the chicago commuter train, operator jeff kline controlled the seven car train weighing a million pounds carrying hundreds of passengers. >> how fast are we going now? >> 60 miles an hour. >> and how long would it take to stop? >> controlled stop? like coming into a station,
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probably take about four tenths of a mile. >> reporter: a fully loaded freight train can take up to a mile to stop. last year according to the federal railroad administration 239 people died in what are classified as highway rail accidents. that's actually 120 fewer deaths than just a decade ago. in 2008 a high-tech solution called positive train control that would monitor tracks ahead for obstructions such as cars and could stop a train automatically but the system is expensive. >> the alternative to that is looking at in the federal government is trying to force railroads positive train control certainly much more costly into the hundreds of millions of dollars right now and we haven't even had the implementation of that system.
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>> the train can come anytime. >> reporter: technology may yet help prevent train vehicle collisions. but until then drivers offered simple advice: never try to beat a train. >> i should point out there was nothing to suggest in the accident last night the woman was trying to beat a train. let me point out an app. the railroad crossing locator app on the federal government. it will show you every crossing located in your immediate area. click on the crossing. it tells you the railroad system that uses it what time of day it's used, the snamignals there and the cargo that's routinely crossing over that point. pretty handy stuff. erin? >> certainly is martin. thank you very much. next a very lucky lad wandering eight miles from home just to jump in a freezing lake. jeanne moos with bailey's icy
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coast guard petty officer tim putnam hadn't put on the dry suit and rescue her, would have been a goner. you must have looked like an alien as you approached. >> the dog at that point would have been excited to see even an alien too because he was pretty shook up. >> reporter: it was a bad idea for bailey to jump in, but at least the dog picked a great spot right there by the coast guard station. coast guard staffers were holding a morning meeting when someone actually saw the dog go in. the guards man hit the search and rescue alarm and tim putnam, tethered by a rope went to the shivering dog and the man on shore started to pull them in. >> telling her, we're going to get back and you're going to be okay and telling her she's a good girl. >> reporter: the dog was in the water for around 40 minutes and tim? >> i was definitely pooped. >> yeah boys. >> reporter: it was this video that stopped rebecca mills in her tracks. >> i saw my dog on the news.
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>> reporter: it turns out going on 8-year-old bailey gotten loose and traveled 8 miles to the frankfurt michigan coast guard station. >> he's an escape artist. he knows how to open the garage door. >> reporter: using her paws to push a button on the garage wall, rebecca got to meet and thank the guards man who saved her dog. >> it was emotional for me because it's like god, you just risked your life. >> reporter: for tim, his first ever hands on rescue was a dog. >> good job. >> reporter: and you never forget your first. >> she's adorable too. you know everybody seems to love her. >> reporter: jeanne moos cnn. you were panting more than the dog. >> yeah. >> reporter: new york. >> jeanne reports the dog is good. andrew haig and his wife christina on the arrival of baby boy, william martin.
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look at that. after the birth of baby and still looks that gorgeous. normally andrea would be in the control room we're late wrap to anderson. it's great if you're watching but we'll forgive you if you spend time with that beautiful little boy. thanks for joining us. anderson we're on time. good evening, thanks for joining us. live for the next two hours on the crashing plane that came within a two seconds and a few hundred feet within a neighborhood on the fiery new york area train wreck. stories of survival there. question about the evacuation and sign that the deadliest wreck in the railroad history could have been worse. and how the fight against isis may change and grow after the murder of a jordanian captain. we begin with the loss of another airliner and at least 31 lives. unlike most such crashes, the crash of air asia 235 shortly after takeoff from taipei taiwan unfolded in th
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