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boy, william martin. look at that. after the birth of baby and still looks that gorgeous. normally andrea would be in the control room we're late wrap to anderson. it's great if you're watching but we'll forgive you if you spend time with that beautiful little boy. thanks for joining us. anderson we're on time. good evening, thanks for joining us. live for the next two hours on the crashing plane that came within a two seconds and a few hundred feet within a neighborhood on the fiery new york area train wreck. stories of survival there. question about the evacuation and sign that the deadliest wreck in the railroad history could have been worse. and how the fight against isis may change and grow after the murder of a jordanian captain. we begin with the loss of another airliner and at least 31 lives. unlike most such crashes, the crash of air asia 235 shortly after takeoff from taipei taiwan unfolded in the middle of the crowded city and it was
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captured all on video. right across a major highway, the french italian maid atr 72 you can see it hit an apartment block from the left-hand side of your screen gliding, the plane banks, clips the bridge and goes into the river. part of the wing hit this car on the bridge. the driver amazingly survived the encounter and so did people if the twin engine turbo prop did not find the water. rescuers pulled 15 survivors from the river itself and recovered the flight data and voice recorders and a lot to tell. traffic control got a call from the plane shortly before the crash. some of the final words from the ge 235, may day, may day, engine plamout. because we already have that and the video evidence to work with
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we wanted to get expert advice on exactly what happened. a short time ago, i walked through it with richard quest and david soucie. let's take a look here on the magic wall. >> start with the close-up and here you see the aircraft coming up. the dramatic turn and crashing into the bridge but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, if you take this particular picture and you see something quite different. you see something in a different angle because here you see the plane, comes straight in and you see the plane and at that point, it's pretty straight and on a downward trajectory but it still is moving with the wings both level. it's this point that the left wing appears to stall and stall very badly and dramatically when
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there's very little height to the ground and that of course is there. now, someone suggests was the pilot trying to avoid these buildings? i think if you look quite clearly, this is not the case. this is an aircraft it's an extremist. it's going straight down into the water. >> david soucie obviously, it's too early to be sure but from the videos the turn towards the river, you think that was intentional? >> richard, i've flown out of taipei and you have as well. you know there's apartments there and follow the river out to protect from noise pollution over the apartments. so you follow the river just a little bit and you can see there too that as it clears those apartments may be a little bit of an optical illusion as it comes over the apartments but i believe he was trying to make that left turn, but i think importantly too if you look at that point in the video, you can see that that left prop, i don't think it's feathered. it looks as though it might be feathered. >> when you say feathered, what does that mean? >> that means that the propeller
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propeller's supposed to when the engine stops producing thrust going from an angle like this to straight on right with the air flow that offers no wind resistance however, if the auto feather switch which is the last thing you do before you take off, if that hasn't been turned to the on position the engine fails and you basically have a 12 foot in diameter piece of wood out there preventing the left wing from flying. and i think that that might give us a clue there. i'm anxious to see what the black boxes will tell us because that information is in the black box. >> but richard, if a plane loses one engine it should be able to fly, right? >> absolutely. this is the conundrum with this one. the plane took off and got to about 1300 feet five miles from the airfield and we get this may day call may day, engine flameout. at that point, remember this is something pilots practice more than anything else. ludsing an engine on takeoff.
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it is the single most practiced thing, but then watch again the video here. this is what david soucie is talking about. the plane makes this approach. he's clearly gliding at this point. losing altitude. and this turn was it deliberate or was it the result of aerodynamic forces? was this propeller giving any form of lift or was it now, as david soucie just said was it that big block that was basically killing the lift from the wing? >> what kind of training do pilots go through in terms of trying to deal with a situation where a plane loses an engine? >> it's very rigorous. in fact there's been several accidents that i've looked at when they're practicing the engine off and the pilot didn't realize which engine. remember the aircrafts, although they're on the wings, they have a center line of thrust. it's still driving forward. just straight ahead forward, so the pilot really has a hard time sometimes in these modern
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aircrafts determining which engine failed. the process is to pull back on the engine that's failed. i've done two that pulled the power on the wrong engine and caused the aircraft, of course, no passengers on board thankfully. >> it's unbelievable to see this this. >> this is how every aircraft comes out. the extraordinary part is we're seeing it in realtime. but never forget what you're looking at there, of course is the death. >> tremendous loss of human life. appreciate you being with us richard quest. david soucie as well. one of the survivors of the crash was a little boy. according to the news agency a toddler and parents survived the crash. their rescue captured on video there at the scene. their incredible story is coming up later tonight on the program. >> we have breaking news out of the pentagon. the murder of pentagon by isis. the military moved personnel
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into northern iraq. this comes after news that the united arab emirates, the uae, suspended coalition strikes out of concern that search and rescue teams were not close to the pilots. in the meantime in jordan more reaction to and retaliation for the isis murder of the captive pilot. jomana karadsheh with more. what do they plan to do in terms of air strikes in the coming hours? >> reporter: what we're hearing from officials aeshdsnderson, the jordanians want to increase the number of airspace they carry out as part of their coalition missions. the number of these air strikes is going to depend on a number of factors, including weather and where these targets are. we have heard the consistent message from the jordanians by king abdullah. they say they're going to respond and the retaliation is going to be severe and harsh. this is something many people want to see here. not everyone in this country
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anderson backed the government's decision in the king's decision to join the coalition against isis but we were out today here in iman speaking to people and they do seem to be seeing more people rallying around the king around the government and they want to see more military action now against isis. >> the executions of the two jihadists in jordan today, including the suicide bomber that isis demanded jordan release, what's the reaction to the executions? >> reporter: anderson, about 24 hours ago, we were talking about the calls that we were hearing on the streets of jordan with people wanting to see revenge. and this morning, people in this country woke up to news that they were hoping to hear many saying they welcomed the news of these executions. they were relieved to see this. there were calls for more executions people saying that there are more isis-linked prisoners in jordanian jails and they want to see them also
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executed. of course jordan does have a big number of jihadis who are in prison not clear how many are on death row. how many are sentenced to death for terrorism. charges, we also heard, anderson from the father of the jordanian pilot saying these two executed convicted terrorists criminals do not compare to his son. and he said that the revenge for the death of his son should be greater than the execution of prisoners. >> has the security situation in iman changed, the security profile? >> reporter: so far, we're not seeing any change but over the past year anderson as you recall when we saw the isis advance that was taking place in neighboring iraq jordan did increase security around the country. there has been concern of what this might mean for jordan. the last time a terrorist
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organization gained ground in a neighboring country, in iraq for example, back in 2005 jordan was targeted by iraq at the time with the worst terrorist attack in recent memory for this country. there is always this concern, but many here anderson trust the security service, jordan is known for its strong intelligence but it's always a concern. the country is seen as a great enemy for extremist groups. >> jomana karadsheh, appreciate your report. whether it's a battle that can be won militarily at all. the months of air strikes, have they done anything to degrade? a closer look at that and take a look at this guy. >> it's a very unfortunate thing ta people die but people die and i'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child. it's a doctor.
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more breaking news tonight in the fight against isis. the united states military has moved some search and rescue assets into northern iraq according to a u.s. official. it's part of a constant rebalancing of assets but comes after news that uae suspended in coalition strikes at a concern that search and rescue assets not placed in a timely rescue. disputed by u.s. military officials. u.s. hardware is shuffling and it's an understatement to say expectations are high. the conflict is on the verge of an escalation, but would more bombing actually accomplish anything? we've got a bit of an idea based on how the last six months have gone. barbara starr has that. >> reporter: in the isis stronghold of raqqa, syria, cheering as a video of the pilot's execution was shown on big screens. no one knows if people were forced to come here. either way, it's the latest demonstration of isis' power. republican senator john mccain,
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a long time opponent of president obama's war strategy again, raising doubt. can air strikes really defeat isis? >> we are not winning, and that is the opinion of outside military experts, literally every one of them i know. >> isis still controls a large amount of territory. it has not been rolled back by the campaign. it has not been rolled back by other actions. >> reporter: chuck hagel himself warning isis won't be defeated at the point of a gun. >> there's a perception that it's the military's responsibility to fix the problem. problems are not fixed by militaries. >> reporter: but jordan's king abdullah right now under pressure. as people march across jordan jordanian troops lining up to pay their respects to the pilot's family. jordan is increasing its air strike participation but it may not be easy. >> they will have a difficult time doing that on their own.
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they need a bit of help when it comes to planning a modern campaign against moving targets like this. >> reporter: a force of 18,000 to 19,000 fight rs and a continuing influx of foreign fighters their numbers do not seem to be drastically de increasing. it's being contemplated but the next secretary of defense, as carter suggested, time could be running out. >> it's important to get that territory back soon because you don't want them to settle in and you don't want the population to settle in to having isil rule them in their barbaric way. >> reporter: given the current pace of military activity the u.s. has now moved some additional search and rescue assets aircraft into northern
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iraq if it comes to that, but u.s. officials say this move is because there's a need for these assets these aircraft in the region and has nothing to do with the united arab emirate pulling out of air strikes over concern that there was not enough capability to rescue one of its pilots if it came to that. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> joining me now, retired lieutenant former commander of u.s. forces in iraq and senior national analyst, bob bare. in terms of jordan ratcheting up their air strikes, what do they have how much damage can they do? >> they have quite a bit. they train continuously and have capability in a lot of aircraft. what you'll see is increasing contribution of more strike
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aircraft, more f-16s, to the coalition force and part of the air tasking order and as barbara mentioned earlier. >> how is the target? >> i heard your air force intelligence officer say something a minute ago about jordan's capability in striking those targets and what i know because i fought with jordanian air force before they are just as competent as u.s. pilots. they can hit moving targets, armored vehicles they can hit stationary targets. but we actually allocate the types of targets and the type of aircraft with the capabilities of the coalition, so that's part of the air tasking order too. i discount some of the things that were said about jordan not being able to strike targets as well as other countries. but i think in combination with jordanian intelligence especially their ability to get inside of some of the tribal bases and get more intelligence
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a lot of human intelligence in syria which we have not been able to get as much as we've had in iraq will contribute significantly as well as their special operations forces which are first rate. >> bobby, you said last night on the program that you hope jordanians would not execute the female suicide bomber right away. she's been on death row for quite a while, it could be just like a revenge. do you expect any impact from that execution? >> anderson well i think what we have to realize is that the king was under an enormous amount of pressure from the tribes and they have a custom of taking revenge and i think they probably pushed him to do this. he's probably reluctant but he has to listen to the tribes. they control his military and about half of the population. i think what the jordanians are scared about now is revenge attacks in imam and other jordanian cities suicide bombings. you can stop most of them but
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like the hotel attacks in 2005 so i think jordan is really under threat right now and i wouldn't be surprised if something occurs. >> they showed photographs above the jordanian pilots and the bases that allegedly some of the pilots have -- so clearly not that they need new motivation but clearly motivated to target jordan and the leadership there, the military there, probably the civilians as well. what about other arab nations involved against isis? there's the issue with uae suspending air strikes back in december. do you see a greater willingness in the wake of this latest atrocity? >> i think we'll continue to see continued willingness just like jordan has upped the ante a little bit. i think as the various arab nations see the true threat to the arab to the entire region,
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more and more contribute. but anderson just any government has to understand they have to go with the desires of their population. jordan was one over and galvanized because of this execution of their pilot. some of the other arab nations that aren't quite contributing yet need to feel a little bit more pain and i think they eventually will contribute. the uae is an anomaly right now. that's a back and forth relationship but they are continuing to support us air forces flying out of the uae. >> we heard in that piece, john mccain saying isis hasn't been depleted. he said he sees evidence they have been damaged, obviously, at the lost of kubacoup kobani and a number of news groups. and picking up more foreign fighters than isis is. >> anderson i think what we've seen over the last couple months since the bombing campaign
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started is, you know the blunting of the isis attack into non-sunni areas like kobani's kurdish and i think it worked quite well, cut off the supply lines. but in order to defeat them you're going to need close air support. you're going to need helicopters in there. and probably at least tier one american soldiers to really focus this attack. and this is what i'm hearing from people on the front lines is, yes, we've stopped them but we really do need american support to turn this back and retake moezil. >> bob baer appreciate you being on. dr. hartley. why kids should not be vaccinated under investigation by a state medical board. see what happened when our kyung lah tried to get reaction. >> new information about what it was like for people trapped
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childhood vaccinations you hear a lot of lay people voicing
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doubts about vaccine safety. the other side you tend to find doctors and researchers with a massive body of evidence with the shot and the number of timing and the shots are safe for kids. there's also physicians and you might heard one of them if you're a regular viewer of this program. his name is jack wolfson and said things about it and troubled and outraged a lot of viewers. he's under investigation now by one state medical board. kyung lah reports. >> reporter: as we wait outside the office of dr. jack wolfson, it's not the doctor but police who show up. >> suspicious vehicle. obviously got something going on. >> reporter: we're here to talk to dr. wolfson, who ignored e-mail requests and multiple phone calls. it's a sudden about face. he isn't interested in talking anymore. >> this is public property. no one asked to leave, you're welcome to be here. >> reporter: seconds later, we
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follow the officer. >> hi good morning. >> reporter: to dr. wolfson whose office had apparently called the police. can we just talk about the investigation? by the arizona medical board. are you changing your opinion about vaccination, sir? he won't answer a very different dr. wolfson from last week who as a cardiologist spoke to cnn's elizabeth cohen about why people should not vaccinate. >> could you live with yourself if your child got another child sick? i mean really sick? had complications, even death? >> i could live with myself very easily. it's a very unfortunate thing that people die but unfortunately people die and i'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child. i'm not going to sacrifice the well being of my child. my child is pure. >> reporter: dr. wolfson followed that with numerous interviews with local television stations and national
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newspapers. are you changing your opinion about vaccination, sir? so why doesn't he want to talk anymore? could it be he's read the decades of scientific studies showing his position is wrong? probably not. is there an investigation going on? >> yes, there is. >> reporter: jenna joebs is the executive director with osteopathic examiners, that regulates the doctors. >> we have a complaint, open a file investigate it and then we bring it before the board for resolution. however, cases are confidential. >> reporter: but we do know two complaints filed with the state board come on the heels of dr. wolfson's vocal anti--vaccine sbur viewinterviews and say amid the measles outbreak, anti-vaccine doctors are a health threat. a contributor tor forbes.com who urged in a column for state medical boards to investigate and pull the license of physicians like dr. wolfson and
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two other prominent doctors who support a modified vaccine schedule. california's dr. jay jordongordon and dr. bob sears. >> they're doing active harm. as physicians we're supposed to first do no harm. these doctors are creating harm they are promoting the spread of infectious diseases which we should have wiped out by now. this is not only bad behavior it's dangerous behavior. >> reporter: doctors gordon and sears both decline to speak to cnn on camera for this story. but publicly continue to say vaccines are a parent's choice not a matter of public health. back at dr. wolfson's office the parking lot is full. his office telling us the schedule is packed with patients searching for their doctor's wise medical advice. >> kyung lah joins us. how serious is this investigation? what could be the impact of it? >> reporter: well the ultimate impact if it does come to this point, is that he could
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potentially lose his license, but we should add that that is very rare. from the state of arizona, we've got these figures. out of the 264 complaints filed in the last fiscal year only 11 resulted in serious disciplinary action but the state immediately follows up with that saying that these investigations are very serious and they thoroughly anderson investigate every single complaint. >> i don't get it. he's a cardiologist not a pediatrician. it's not as if just because it's his opinion with how he wants to deal with his kids doesn't mean he's influencing, you know other patients refusing to give vaccinations to children. that's not his job. >> reporter: you're in line with a lot of other doctors out there. a lot of doctors wondering why a cardiologist talks about vaccines. if you look at his home page for his office it's a natural cardiologist, treating the cause, not the symptom. so it's a bit in line with
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orthopedic doctors osteo, looking at the patient to listicallylist ically hoe listically. but if you look at childhood vaccines just not be talking about that. it's outside of his specialty. >> kyung lah, we'll see what's happening. amara walker with a 360 bulletin. >> anderson a lawyer for bobbi brown looking to see what led to bobbi brown's hospitalization. remains on life-support after being found unresponsive in a full bathtub over the weekend. lance armstrong facing two misdemeanor charges for hitting two parked vehicles while driving home from a party in aspen, colorado. his girlfriend, anna hanson, first told police she was behind the wheel and now admitted she lied. armstrong has a court date next month. the coast guard crew rescued a dog from an icy michigan lake
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after the lab fell through the ice. lucky for her, the coast guard station is nearby. the pooch is fine and has been reunited with her owner. >> wow, that's amazing they rescued her. thank you very much amara. dramatic emotional moments, day four of the aaron hernandez. accused of murdering odin lloyd in 2013. the mother took the stand as the woman he was dating at the time of the death. our susan candiotti reports. >> reporter: remembering a painful day, shaneah jenkins watches herself on security camera visiting the home of tight end aaron hernandez. jenkins is hugging hernandez's fiance older sister shayanna after learning odin lloyd has been shot dead less than a mile away from the hernandez home. shanieah testifies hernandez is in the house that day also.
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>> did he seem shaken up? >> he seemed stressed. >> reporter: nine days later, hernandez is arrested for lloyd's murder. the murder weapon is still missing. prosecutors show jurors home surveillance photos of hernandez's fiance holding something in her hands. >> this item that she is holding, you know what that is? >> the black trash bag? >> reporter: authorities suspect hernandez's fiance sitting behind him in court uses the trash bag to hide the missing murder weapon inside a box and throwing it away after getting a coded message from hernandez. his defense team questions jenkins and how much time lloyd spent with hernandez. jenkins telling jurors it was mainly during visits with older center. hernandez once treating them to a sky box for patriots preseason home game. lloyd on the far right of the group shot with hernandez and his brother on their way to a
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nightclub. a powerful moment coming when prosecutors ask odin lloyd's mother to identify a photo of her dead son at a hearing without the jury present. >> your son's body. >> yes. >> and the part of the body that's shown is just his head is that true? >> yes. >> reporter: the judge warning lloyd's mother to control her emotions on the stand. >> very important that you manage during this time you are testifying to retain control of your emotions and not to cry while you are looking at any photo that may be shown to you, do you understand that? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: when the jury is finally brought in again, she keeps her emotions in check. the jury not allowed to see the autopsy photos until they deliberate. with hernandez watching intently said she knew many of her son's friends but not hernandez. >> had you ever met him before? >> no. >> had he ever come to your
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home? >> no. >> reporter: but she clearly remembers seeing her son on father's day 2013. >> i just saw his beautiful pink smiling across the street. >> reporter: the last time she'd see him alive hours before shot to death. >> susan candiotti joining me live from fall river, massachusetts. i understand they will be taking a field trip. >> reporter: they're going on a guided bus tour and the first stop they'll make is odin lloyd's home in the boston area and then they'll take a 40 minute drive from there to the crime scene which is that industrial park and it's a short distance from aaron hernandez's home. prosecutors plan to show them a cell phone tower where they allege pick up a ping from the cell phone that puts him at the crime scene and finally the defense got them a tour of aaron hernandez's home. they're going to be going there
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mutual insurance. welcome back. the sheer violence of last night's deadly commuter train crash wreckage. hit a car on the tracks, killing six people and injuring others. hospitalized in critical condition. workers remove the suv that was hit and not sure why it stopped on the tracks as the train was approaching. just one mystery in what's likely to be a lengthy investigation. tonight, also questions about the guidance that trapped passengers got in the moments after the crash as fire began to engulf the first car. rene marsh has the latest. >> reporter: smoke and smokesflames poured out after the rail line's
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deadliest crash yet. five people dead in the blazing inferno. >> the bodies are all from the front car because the bodies are all very badly burned and unidentifiable. >> reporter: at least 15 injured after the commuter train slammed into a mercedes suv stuck on the tracks. it was crushed and tossed 1,000 feet. the driver was the sixth fatality. >> the train went silent. you could tell there was panic going on from the front of the train. hey, walk back. walk back. >> reporter: new video from inside the train shows how packed it was. more than 600 people on board. the electrified third rail ran through and the temperature rose. >> there was a passenger that ran past me. he had blood on his face and people were pulling the windows off, trying to get out through the emergency windows. >> it was scary. >> reporter: the ntsb now
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getting a first look at the crash site. you can see investigators there sour rounding the first burnt out car of the train. the first step in the process is documenting all of the wreckage. investigators have the train's event recorders which will tell how fast the train was traveling and when brakes were applied. they're also examining the rail crossing signals. >> we know that we want to send somebody to look at the signals. the rail traffic signals, the highway signals, as well as the crossing arms and each of those devices has a recorder on it. those recorders have already been secured. >> reporter: the hundreds of passengers self-evacuated. some say they were on their own without instructions. any indication at this point whether this process of getting passengers off the train happened fast enough have you had a chance to speak to passengers? >> in this press briefing i'm
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going to discuss the ntsb's investigative processes because we have not confirmed any of that at this point. we will by the time we've completed this investigation, we will know everything that we need to know. >> reporter: this is not the first time there's been death on metro north's tracks. december 2013 a metro north derailment killed four passengers in the bronx after the train's engineer fell asleep. >> rene joins me now. any idea now that they have the recorders how soon we can expect to get a readout? >> reporter: well anderson it could be as soon as tomorrow. we know that one of the train's recorders arrived in washington, d.c. and so the download process is already under way. so by tomorrow we could know details like how fast this train was going as well as when brakes were applied. we also know that investigators hope as soon as tomorrow to start speaking to the crew on board this train as well. >> and was he indicating that
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there were recorders attached to the traffic signal, the railroad crossing on them? >> reporter: right, they have recorders attached to all those signals and we know investigators are analyzing those recorders as well looking for any irregularities any sign that perhaps the signals may have malfunctioned. the ntsb was asked specifically today any indications at this point that there was some malfunctions having to do with the crossing signal and at this point, not at all. early in the investigation. >> rene marsh, appreciate the reporting. thank you very much. justin kaback was one on board and on his way home riding the third car. first of all, glad you're doing okay. when did you realize something had gone wrong? >> i appreciate that anderson.
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basically as i said earlier, i was kind of riding the train home in my own zone not really paying attention when all of the sudden the train came to a complete stop. i think maybe because i was actually in the third car, photo the first car, i really didn't feel the impact of the vehicle. the train can be fairly bumpy to begin with. but that's when it stopped. everything off except the lights. everybody is like what's going on? >> what happened then? did anybody ever make an announcement? >> immediately after, maybe 30 seconds, a minute goes by and the door is open from the front car and the passenger said it smells like gas in the front. we've got to move to the back. i don't know if he got orders from a conductor or if he smelled that and that was his reaction but i immediately grabbed my belongings and started heading towards the back with the gentleman that came from i believe the second car. >> it was a pretty crowded train.
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>> it was a very crowded train. >> when did you actually learn what had happened? >> as we started moving to the next couple cars that's when the conductor came on the loud speaker and said something. he said the train struck the car. that was on the track. he gave us no other information. he didn't say if there was a fire. he didn't say to remain seated or if we should, you know prep to evacuate. he just said that we struck a car. >> didn't say get up move to the back. >> nothing, nothing. >> and at that point, i assume you continued to move? >> correct. i think i kind of stayed put for maybe a minute or two. and then more people started moving in to the cars. the car that i was in so naturally we just kind of kept pushing our way to the back. i think i maybe went another car length and that's when everybody was just squeezed into this one car i was? >> how did you finally get out of the train? >> i guess the first couple cars were evacuating before the car i was in got word there was a fire so people were already
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jumping out, walking their way to the back of the train when somebody outside, a passenger outside yelled in saying the train is on fire. so that's the first time in i think in a small group of people that were around me in the door at the time. >> how did you get out? >> eventually the door at the front of car, the passengers broke the glass to pull the handle to get that door to open up and that's when people slowly started to go out of the train. >> the passengers made the decision to break the glass. >> nobody gave us any information, if we should stay in the train or if we should evacuate. we kind of -- >> and when you got out, did you see what had happened by that time? >> immediately after once i got in the snow i turned around and you could see the front of the train on fire the smoke going up. at this time it was, i think, very small fire. maybe just the actual front of the train. >> what you actually saw in real life and saw then i guess later on the images on television and maybe the paper, did it i mean
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did it does it seem real to you? >> it didn't really hit me i think, until this morning. and even when i went home and saw that there's actually that many casualties i think that's when it hit me that i was very lucky to be able to walk out of there. >> i'm glad you're okay and the passengers you were with as well. thank you so much for talking to us. >> anytime, anderson. it was a pleasure. >> very lucky indeed. up next an incredible story of survival emerging from the deadly plane crash in taiwan. what we learned about the little boy who made it out alive. his rescue captured there on tape. what can your fidelity greenline do for you? just take a closer look. it works how you want to work. with a fidelity investment professional... or managing your investments on your own. helping you find new ways to plan for retirement. and save on taxes where you can. so you can invest in the life that you want today. tap into the full power of your fidelity greenline.
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but one that won't last forever, so hurry in. tonight. we began with the taiwan and we end with the story of survival. the fact this airliner ended up in the water and not the apartment building is the only saving grace. some of the passengers lived through it including this little boy. unlikely rescue from pamela brown. >> reporter: moments after this harrowing plane crash, rescuers race to the scene. this toddler somehow survivored.ed
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and placed in the arms of a rescuer in the boat. >> a child has several advantages in a crash environment. their bones are more pliable, so they can withstand forces higher forces without fracture. >> reporter: on land, rescuers are seen rushing other other bloodied survivors. >> translator: these patients seem to be hit by huge force from the outside. suffered from limbs to the bodies. >> reporter: amazingly, a taxi driver and passenger inside this mangled car hit by the plane also survived. the driver told the taiwanese press he fainted. many passengers were tangled up in his seat belts and hung upside down.
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depends on a number of factors including altitude planes. >> greater g force and resistance flammability is increased. making a plane crash survivable is something our own ntsb has been very interested in for years. >> pamela brown joins us now. the little boy in the video, do we know, are his parents, any of the family did they survive? >> reporter: we are still waiting for confirmation on that anderson but if you watch video of this little boy, the man holding him, he was just kissing him and holding him tightly, so you would think that perhaps that is a family member of the little boy, perhaps his father and we know that the taiwan's official news agency reporting that a 1-year-old toddler and his parents did survive that crash but it's unclear from that reporting if that is the little boy or another child from the wreckage anderson. >> incredible, pamela. thank you very much. in the second hour of "360" i want to show this of the isis
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