nce and the german chancellor meet with the russian president, vladimir putin, for the high-stakes talks. we're coverrying the story, beginning in kiev with jim sciutto. >> good morning, alisyn. angela merkel traveling to moscow in a few hours, joined by as you say the french president, merkel saying as she travels, that the goal is to stop the horror in eastern ukraine. those are the terms that german officials, french officials and certainly secretary of state john kerry, when he was in kiev yesterday are describing the situation there and i'll tell you the sense of urgency is one i have not heard in months of covering this crisis. so minor progress on the ground today. a short-term cease-fire in one of the hardest-hit towns. but the worry is with each of these cease-fires, the front line moves forward further into the west. with more area under control by those pro russian separatists and by russia. that's the accusation remember that russia is behind this.

that is who merkel and hollande will be negotiating with in moscow with russian president, vladimir putin. secretary of state john kerry leaving no question as to who he who the u.s. the obama administration and the west blames for the violence severe escalation of the violence in the east. >> jim, has president obama talked about a timeline in terms of sending some sort of arms to rebels? >> absolutely not. because no decision has been made yet. there are more people in the administration who are in favor of that we're told they're taking another look at this. but i'll tell you, there's not just disagreement within the obama administration. there's disagreement within this western coalition. angela merkel saying today as she prepares to go to moscow that there's no military solution to this crisis. hidden in that is the message that they don't believe that arms will change the situation on the ground positively. one more thought, when i speak to u.s. officials, they don't

describe this just as ukrainian crisis this he describe this as a threat to europe. it's war in europe they see it as a threat to nato you can't underestimate how serious this is. >> jim sciutto, live on the ground in kiev. whether they admit it or not, russia is driving this situation, erin mclaughlin is in moscow about the critical meeting with putin. erin who will be there? what is the goal? >> the goal of the talks today very much focused here on moscow on deescalating the conflict. and ending the bloodshed. yesterday french president francois hollande making the surprise announcement of the german and french-led initiative to create a new negotiating document alongside the ukrainians and the russians. but the big question is will this work? especially when you consider that the russian defense ministry has announced military drills along the russian/ukrainian border. the drills expected to last through mid february.

we have heard from a spokesperson for russian president vladimir putin who says that today's talks are considered to be a positive step. a welcome step. we've also seen from russian state media this morning, the kremlin saying that they have not seen the details of this german and french proposal. although that they're hoping for a constructive conversation. president putin has made a number of proposals and initiatives leading up to this point. those have been largely rejected so far by the west. so we're going to have to see what happens later today. chris in. >> i'll take it erin, thanks so much for the report. jordan meanwhile, vowing that yesterday's punishing air strikes against isis only the beginning. jordanian fighter jets unleashing on isis targets in syria and naming their mission after the hostage fighter pilot who was burned alive by the terrorists. let's get to jomana karasha in oman jordan. >> according to the jordanian

military they say they carried out a multitude of air strikes against isis targets in syria. they say they hit and destroyed training camps and weapons and ammunition storage facilities. according to the syrian observatory for human rights at least ten militants were killed. and also isis did post pictures of the destruction. now we were at the home town of the jordanian pilot when this news broke. about jordan's air strikes and at that point, we saw fighter jets flying at a low altitud. what seems to be seem to be a tribute to a fallen colleague. and the father of the jordanian pilot said that the king told him during a visit to the home town at that time that these same fighter jets had just returned from mission after carrying out air strikes on the defacto capital of isis in syria -- raqqa. jordan is saying this is just the beginning of their

retaliation. >> thank you very much for the report. thomas pickering, a distinguished fellow at the brookician institution. mr. ambassador thank you for joining us. first, help us understand how jordan got this huge turn-about in their intentions with fighting isis. i want you to listen to some of the foreign minister talking with wolf about where they are in terms of their dedication to the fight, let's listen. >> we are upping the ante we're going after them wherever they are with everything we have. it's not the beginning and certainly not the end. we're fortunate to have friends and allies as part of the coalition. but we're at the forefront. this is our fight. >> coalition calls jordan a very close ally especially king abdullah. they've been working them for months as you well know. help us with intel, help us with

your special forces. do more with us in the air, you have a very cape able air force. then one pilot is killed horribly a horrible murder. and everything changes. explain how that could be such powerful impetus. >> it's a powerful impetus, chris, because jordan is a small country. it's a tribal society. the pilot's family is well connected. the king was in the united states and obviously made a major effort both from here and in his return to meet the needs that people in jordan felt with this brutal horrible killing of the pilot. that's turned things around. the really interesting question is, chris, will they stay turned around. jordan has a long deep tradition with some of its people of being muslim brothers. and in fact king hussein co-opted the muslim brotherhood at various times, when difficulties came and i'm sure his son, abdullah is trying to do the same kind of thing.

abdullah over the years has had a rough go. the involvement against isis was beginning to produce backlash. interestingly enough the horrible death of this man has begun to change jordanian public attitudes in many parts of the society. but don't fgt, jordan has a lot of palestinians it has a lot of syrian refugees it still has iraqis left over from the last war. it's a society which the king has to work hard to keep together. it's a society in which in recent years, even some of the traditional areas of support for king abdullah have made life difficult for him and for his leadership. >> so we'll have to see if this horrible murder is enough to sustain the will and maybe, hopefully, spread to the region. because it really is the region's war before it's anyone else's. so that's a wait and see. >> very much so. now ukraine, it seems from your tutelage on this to me over the months since july this is

not a wait and see. this is a situation that is no longer a police action like when we first talked even though then you said the u.s. better provide some military aid or this gets worse -- it has. people are saying it's getting worse, it's basically war. but they're still struggling over what "it" is. there are two versions. russian says it's humanitarian these are ethnic russians and they're being oppressed by this horrible kiev government and we're just doing the minimum that we can. the other version of what the secretary of state says let's listen to john kerry. >> we cannot close our eyes to tanks that are crossing the border from russia and coming in to ukraine. we can't close our eyes to russian fighters in unmarked uniforms crossing the border and leading individual companies of so-called separatists in battle. >> bottom line -- is russia providing motivating military action in ukraine?

>> of course it is. and you have to go back to the first cnn reports, almost a year ago, where they actually photographed russian tanks going over the border. or at least going to the border. >> why do they deny it? >> the russians deny it it's part of their campaign to convince their own people. that in fact they're fighting to try to rescue russian speakers in ukraine who have been oppressed. there is some obvious need on the ukrainian's part to continue to make clear as president poroshenko has, that he intends to treat all russian speakers with a degree of fairness. and indeed an offer of autonomy in those areas. >> the fairness point is they have had problems with the ukraine government. >> ukraine has had a lot of problems. >> the east has been underserved. >> and the ukrainian economy has been a mess. that may be a way for a turn-around. what you see now happening with merkel and hollande is very important. because they're working on a peace process built on a

previous agreement back to september in minsk. neither side i think has followed. >> minsk hasn't gone anywhere. we keep calling on the u.s. to follow minsk. >> minsk is a good basis for moving ahead for a future agreement. because it is a fair deal. russia isn't following it because russia agreed but now finds it awkward. if i could put it that way. they want to blame the ukrainians and the ukrainians blame the russian separatists and the russian state for their intervention. there is no military solution to this. breedlove just said that. >> why do we need the united states as we to give so much military aid? brookings says $3 billion worth of aid. the money always gets a little scaleably odd when we talk about military. but $3 billion in military aid is necessary. in ukraine. you told me in july you better give them military aid right away. do you start with that? do we have to do that?

and do we also have to do more? is that your point? >> we need to condition the environment in order to do everything possible to promote an immediate move to a political settlement. that's keeping the pressure on putin. military aid to ukraine -- >> better than sanctions and time? >> military aid to the ukraine in my view needs to fill any gabs that may exist in ukrainian capabilities to defend themselves. and we need to calibrate that carefully. it isn't big numbers that make the difference. it's smart actions that make the difference now. and we're in a very delicate stage we don't want to undo what merkel and hollande are doing with too much early prior reaction. >> you don't want to escalate the war too much. but you want to make sure that ukraine doesn't fall to this incursion. >> perfectly right. when we want to continue to have putin understand two things -- one, the pressure will keep up and continue the europeans are ready for a new set of sanctions next week. and secondly we are now trying to open a door for him to walk

through. that door is merkel and hollande on a minsk-based new process that can give him what i think would be important for him -- to say i have now made a deal which protects the russian speakers in eastern ukraine. but it does not break up ukraine. it maintains the integrity of ukraine. which is important for us for europe and for ukraine. >> ambassador pickering, nobody understands these situations better than you, with all the time on the ground. thank you very much. >> you're a kind man. >> i'm a man who needs help and you're providing it. mick over to you. we're learning new details about the final moments of the transasia airways crash in taiwan. the one caught on tape. our david molko has the latest for us from taipei. >> there were problems with both engines. the emergency began 30 seconds after takeoff, there was an alarm related to the right engine. investigators say a short time

later the pilots were discussing shutting down the opposite engine the left engine the data from the flight data recorder shows that indeed did happen. investigators saying at that point in the flight neither engine was actually producing thrust. an interesting point, pilots did attempt to restart one of the engines, and in fact did so just a few seconds before hitting the river. far too late of course to recover the flight. and prevent the crash from happening. also worth noting 15 survivors from this crash, many of them in this hospital here behind me. the youngest a 15-month-old toddler according to his father brian, now out of icu and according to his father just wants to be held by his mother. michaela. >> i think everybody can understand that. what a tremendous story of survival for that little one. well national security adviser susan rice will lay out president obama's security strategy this afternoon at the brookings institution. she will outline his foreign

policy vision. which cnn has learned will focus on diplomacy and coalition building. also expected a rebuke of russia for its ramped-up violence in ukraine. the pope says spanking is okay. that's your headline. so long as their dignity is maintained. pope francis made the comments during his weekly general audience which focused on the role of fathers in the family. this comes a year after a u.n. committee recommended that the vatican reject corporal punishment. so what does this mean? the pope seems to be exactly where the united states is after remember adrian peterson the football player he beat his kid with a stick. people said they took polls, hit something wrong, spank something okay. i'm not sure i get the difference. >> you just used interesting words, because you talked about spanking and then you said beating. and those are two, there's nuance there, you love nuance there's nuance in spanking versus beating. >> that's not what the social scientists say.

>> hitting connotes a different part of the body. spanking always means tushy. >> i agree with the pope. but the boss does not agree with the pope. >> the boss is your wife? >> yes. i'm hoping the pope may bring a little more rough justice into the cuomo household. speaking of rough justice, we're getting it in the form of snow. it seems like there's no stopping it the northeast and the midwest are bracing for another round, that could mean we're going outside again, friends, our meteorologist jennifer gray joins with us the latest forecast. looking like we're going to hit again by the c-o-l-d, huh? >> big time. we had the clipper system move through yesterday. dumped a couple of inches of snow across new england. now we're left with very cold temperatures anywhere from maine all the way down to georgia. we're looking at very cold temperatures. when you talk about wind chills this morning, it feels like 10 below zero in boston. feeling like 17 below zero in bangor maine. portland the same feeling like

29 below in burlington. we have another system rolling through this is going to be a much slower system. it's going to last between sunday and tuesday. snowfall totals are impressive. especially if you're in northern new england, upstate new york, all the way to maine, 12-24 inches. boston potentially picking up 8-10 additional inches. new york city you're on the line again, you could see a mix of rain and slushy mix, a wintry mix. you could see up to two to four inches of snow. still a little bit of time to watch this, guys we're about two days out. tale of two different sides of the country. very different thing. we have very warm temperatures across the rockies, setting records in denver and up to ten inches of rain across portions of california an area that received zero rain last month. before i let you go, check out this video, look at this train plowing through the snow in canada. that's what happens when you have snow on the tracks and a train has got to get through.

and it just plows through. just a second you can see it as it goes on by. >> is that how you got to school every day in canada? >> there it is. what is it, the device on front to push it along. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> that's how i feel i move through the snow. >> not unlike how i ski. that's what it looks like. you have to see this -- a new isis propaganda video. it has appeared online and it shows a new strategy of the terrorists. you won't believe who they're targeting this time. >> when you see the transasia crash, it is amazing that anybody made it out alive. but they did and we're hearing from them. what were they told in the final moments and how did they make it out? fiber one. fiber one streusel.

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conducting bomb damage assessment. base on what we can see from the gun cameras on the jets it looks like they were successful. they were targeting infrastructure along the euphrates river valley. it looks like there was initial success. >> meaning isis buildings. >> buildings, command and control areas, some places for staging equipment, things like that. >> daveed wolf blitzer had an interview yesterday with the jordanian foreign minister who talked about the lengths to which they are willing to go to fight isis, listen to this exchange. >> is jordan ready to commit combat ground troops to defeat isis? >> it will require everything wolf. this is a fight along multiple tracks. >> okay. he says it will require everything wolf. they are willing, it sounds like to commit ground troops. is that the answer? >> i'm a little bit skeptical that they're going to do so. if they're the only country putting ground troops in.

in iraq it's more feasible. in that isis is much more vulnerable in iraq. but syria is a very hostile environment. where even the jordanians putting in ground troops by themselves would be a very perilous situation. >> cnn, i want to switch to this new propaganda video. cnn has unearthed this isis video. and it purports to show that isis has opened 24 schools, they say 12 for boys 12 for girls. and you see them here teaching arabic letters. teaching numbers. you've watched it now, colonel reese, what do you see going on in this video? >> first and foremost if you want to get your ideology out there, you should start at the youngest age you can and start breeding that inside. that's number one. number two is you see a very lots of different ethnicities in the schools. you see a red-headed child. you know we saw that in afghanistan. because of the russian influence in afghanistan. you know syria has had a russian fleet off the coast of

ladakhia for years, so you see lots of reasons. you see some black children there. probably from the islamic flagss of the sub-sarahan area. they're bringing other people from different nations of the world and now they're there, trying to build their own nation state. >> so daveed they say the announcer says they've opened 12 schools for boys 12 schools for girls. isis wants to educate girls? >> well the education of girls would of course be strictly gender-seven gender-segregated. they do believe in educating girls, but the standards for females are very different than the standards for boys. females do not have an equal place within the isis society. i agree with colonel reese, they're trying to set up a long-term sustainable project which is in their view an islamic utopia. and as such education, not only of children but also for example of their military con

scripts, is extraordinarily important in building that sustainable zeal for that operation. >> so kolcolonel reese, with this video are they trying to say, not only do we burn people alive in cages, we provide education. >> it's the softer side. you know and the other thing about the women, remember we're seeing videos now where every once in a while you'll see a woman fight anywhere there. she'll all balaclav'd up and everything it will be interesting to watch. >> are they doing this in response to the disgust that they've caused globally because of what they did to the jordanian fighter pilot? or is this just a parallel track? >> i don't think so they've always had this mixed message. where on the one hand they've shown these extreme brutal actions that they've undertaken. before burning a man alive, it was beheadings. even while they had all of these beheading ging videos and footage

via twitter this he were undertaking things like fun day for kids in a syrian city they controlled. part of their message is they're able to provide humanitarian services and take care of kids. it's a mixed message. with the one hand blow-up slides and kids having fun. and on the other hand the extremes of brutality. >> just incredible video when you juxtapose it to what else we've seen this week. daveed colonel reese, thanks so much for being here. well the measles outbreak is widening this morning. babies five of them in fact from one day care have contracted the virus, there's concern there may be more. plus survivors of the plane crash in taiwan are telling us how soon they knew something was wrong. the question -- how did they manage to get out alive when so many others didn't? answers ahead.

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vice president biden is sitting down with european officials to discuss aid packages for ukraine. vladimir putin set to sit down this morning with the leaders of france and germany as the eu weighs another round of sanctions against russia. investigators say the engineer on the new york commuter train saw an suv on the tracks and applied the emergency brake, yet was unable to stop in time to prevent the deadly crash. the suv driver and five passengers were killed. officials say the metro north train was traveling just below the speed limit and it blew its horn its warning horn as required. the gate and the flashing lights at the crossing also were operating normally. jury selection is under way in the american sniper murder trial. marine corps vettian, eddie ray rauth, accused of killing the man chris kyle the man whose autobiography is behind "american sniper." the issue is not whether the 27-year-old shot and killed kyle

in a shooting range in january of 2013 but whether he was in control of his actions. rauth has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. and the transasia airways crash, officials said the pilots had problems with both engines and stall warnings went off five times starting just seconds after takeoff on wednesday. survivors starting to share their stories. cnn's anna coren has more from taiwan. >> amid such a tragedy there were miraculous stories of survival an heroism. perhaps none more dramatic than this young boy, seen here in the arms of his father. lynn ming wei. shortly before takeoff, lin heard a noise that made him uneasy. so he asked to move his family's seats to the right side of the plane. the move most likely saved their lives, since the plane crashed on its left side. but the aftermath of the crash brought more danger.

lin's searched for his son in the murky waters of the keelung river until he spotted him. his lips were blue there was no sign of life. my brother performed cpr and was able to revive him. then they got out on to the wing waiting for a rescue team. this 72-year-old man also saved lives. helping pull several people out of the wreckage before getting himself to safety. >> when i saw them, they were almost fully submerged in the water. if we weren't rescued immediately, he would have drowned. he would have died. >> the driver of this taxi clipped by the crashing airplane also survived. in part by luck. but also by keeping a cool head and his car under control. he called his dispatch operator to try to explain what had happened. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> his passenger survived. much credit is being given to the pilot, whose quick maneuvering may have saved many lives while sacrificing his own. we are sad, his family members say, yet his mom is proud of him. anna coren, cnn, taipei taiwan. >> so important to hear the stories of survival and remember the people lost. we have a disturbing development for new the widening measles outbreak. five babies the latest victims of the fast-spreading virus, how did they all get sick? and what you need to know to make sure that your family doesn't become exposed.

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there is new information about measles and it ain't good. five infants at a chicago day care center have been diagnosed with measles. why the spread? well officials point to this -- a new report that in 17 states fewer than 90% of preschoolers have been vaccinated against measles. here to discuss the outbreak is dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of

allergy and infectious diseases at the national institutes of health. he's the man to talk to in this situation. doctor thank you for joining us. helping us understand what this means. these chicago nursery kids. were they old enough to be vaccinated? were they not vaccinated? and if they caught it what does it mean to you about what could come next? >> well according to the reports, they were young, so young that they could not be vaccinated. and those are the children who from birth to 12 months old, because you get your first vaccination between 12 and 15 months of age. and your second one between four and six years of age. so those children are vulnerable. through no fault of their own. they can't get vaccinated. and that's the reason why when children can get vaccinated you want them vaccinated not only to protect them but to protect the community of people who cannot get vaccinated. and this is exactly what we're concerned about. because when the vaccination rate in a region or in a country

or in a small pocket such as in some of the areas that we discussed where there's less than 90% of the children are vaccinated then you get the possibility of an outbreak. and that's exactly what happened at the nursery. >> so it's about herd immunity. these kids are too young. some people are immunocompromised. if we don't all who can get vaccinated they become even more vulnerable. then we have this number 90%. to most people 90%, that sounds incredibly high. why does it need to be 90% for there to be effective herd immunity? >> well it varies from virus to virus. for microbe to microbe. when you have a very highly transmissable virus, like measles, and measles is unquestionably one of the most easily transmitted virus from person to person because it spreads from the respiratory and airborne route. so when you have a highly

transmissable virus, you need many many more percentage of the people to be vaccinated to get the herd immunity. so with measles, it's greater than 90%, it's got to be between 90-95%. once you get below 90 the herd protection or the ability to prevent an outbreak gets less and less strong. and that's what we're seeing when you have a region where there's less than 90% of the children are vaccinated. it makes very very weak that protective shield that you try to put over the community. >> well here's the problem -- you don't control whether people get vaccinated or not. it's done state by state. it's done school district by school district. they're not getting it done obviously in different places. why? and how do you fix that? >> well it's going to be complicated about how you fix it because obviously in states and local authorities can put restrictions for example about

getting children into schools. however there are some ways around restrictions in certain states and certain regions have what's called a personal or philosophical reason not to get vaccinated. so we just need to look at that. but most importantly, we need to try and get people to appreciate the reason why it's important. you have a very effective vaccine that's very safe and you have a highly transmissible virus that can have some significant complications. we tend to forget that. because we've been so successful in generally suppressing measles in this country. we need to keep bringing home the point that you got to protect your own child as well as the societal responsibility to protect those who can't get vaccinated. >> of all the cases that we have so far, do you know of any of those cases that is an undocumented immigrant?

>> you know i don't have that specific data right now. but in general historically when you have an outbreak it not always but frequently can be traced to someone who is not been vaccinated someone who comes in from a foreign country where there's a lot of measles. for example, there are many many cases of measles outside of the united states. there are about 20 to 30 million cases worldwide. and about 145,000 deaths. so there's a lot of measles out there. which is the reason why we emphasize, we need to protect the community by getting as many people vaccinated in this country as we possibly can. >> but we believe from you, and your organization that this may well have started in disney world, not a place known for high populations of undocumented immigrants. dr. ben carson who may run for president, came on my show and said -- they're probably behind it. but he couldn't point to a specific case. do you agree with him?

>> i can't get into that and besides when you said the national institutes of health is not behind that when you said my organization. i don't have enough information to make a definitive statement about how it started. >> one last question for you -- we do hear about cases where people get sick from a vaccine. i know the numbers, i know it's .003. but if it's your kid, it might as well be 99%. we know that the federal government has paid a lot of people for accidents and injury injuries as a result of vaccines. what do you say to the mom or dad out there who says i'm not crazy, i just love my kid. i'm not so sure about these vaccines, i heard somebody got sick or maybe one of my kids got sick from this. i'm not going to take the risk? >> well first of all, the risk of measles vaccine is extraordinarily low. there's no such a thing as a risk-free anything. but when you look at the risk/benefit of the risk of a

vaccine versus the benefit of a vaccine, and look at the risk of a disease and the deleterious effect of getting the disease -- the balance overwhelmingly favors getting vaccinated. >> and hopefully we find a way to get this under control. because it does seem to be spreading. dr. fauci, thank you very much, appreciate the perspective. alisyn? back to the simmering tension in ukraine. the leaders of france and germany taking their peace plan directly to russia. what will it take to stop an all-out war in eastern ukraine? meanwhile in jordan that nation striking back at isis vowing to wipe the terrorists out. saying this is only the beginning. what more could be on the way? the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day.

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i want to apologize, i said i was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by rpg fire. i was instid stead in a following following aircraft. we all landed after the ground fire incident and spent two harrowing nights in a sandstorm in the iraq desert. this was a bungled attempt by me to thank one special veteran and by extension, our brave military men and women, veterans everywhere those who have served while i did not. i hope they know they have my greatest respect and also now, my apology. >> nbc news anchor brian williams apologizing there this week under intense criticism this morning, though for not only the false story about riding in a helicopter that came under fire during the iraq war. but then also for that apology. many say that mea culpa didn't

go far enough. joining us is cnn senior media correspondent, host of "reliable sources" brian stelter. who has been working on this. i'm curious, what you're hearing from inside the walls at nbc? >> that's where the story is taking place now. because brian williams did not say anything on his program last night. he acted like this swirling controversy wasn't going on. none of the bosses at nbc news have said anything about it. they haven't come out and expressed support for him, nor have they come out and distanced themselves from him. there's just silence. but there's not silence in the halls. among the rank and file there's a lot of anger at brian williams about this and concern that the credibility situation that's hurting him may hurt the network. page 6 has an item in the "new york post" saying tom brokaw is furious,ky confirm that's true i've been hearing that and seeing that as well. he's not the only one. there's always in television some rivalry, jealousy back-biting. but this is more than that. this is real concern about

credibility. >> why are people not satisfied with his apology? >> because of the other stories he had been telling in the past before last friday. what we saw in the clip was specifically referring to what he said on his own newscast last friday. but he also told a version of that same story on david letterman's show and in blog posts over the years and there's so much confusion about what happened. there's a real sense among the rank and file at nbc that he needs to be more transparent and take us through what happened here. increasingly it seems like myth-building and brand-building over the years that brian williams took what was a scary situation for him, being in iraq embedded with troops at the start of the iraq war, but built into something more. >> who is "they"? >> that's a good point. >> who wants him to step down from this? i know they're throwing brokaw's name out there. but do you think that this is just what the media sometimes does? which is try to eat their own? >> well there's an element in our culture these days about

building people up and tear hem down. you talk out against it. we're always sensitive to not go too far and contribute to that. but i think there are a couple of different groups contributing to this there are ideological people that think that brian williams is part of the media elite. maybe liberal and should be taken down. we're seeing that on right-wing websites, we're seeing some media critics saying this is an issue of credibility. this is an issue that goes to the heart of his credibility. he can't stay in the job. you've got normal commenters online, who just feel like it's a problem for him. so there's different buckets here. and we should be clear -- lots of people stand by him and support him. so -- it's important to show all of that. >> the people that vote with the remote control. what are they saying? >> twitter and social media is not necessarily a good temperature gauge for that. but i'm curious -- >> twit certificate a self-selecting group. it's still a meme this morning, his name was trending yesterday. but twitter is a self-selecting group. what i think might be the bigger

problem is "entertainment tonight," ""inside edition," "access hollywood," they're exposing the controversy to millions of people who don't watch the "nightly news." the one person who didn't cover this yesterday, jon stewart of the daily show. he always goes after hypocrisy and controversy. brian williams has been on the show quite a few times. >> but he's a median he can cover what he wants. he doesn't have a responsibility other than -- >> it's kind of in the ether. >> there's a lot of fodder for jokes, i guess i was surprised he didn't tackle it. >> brian williams is scheduled to go on david letterman's show next week. will he cancel that? or is that the perfect play where you go on and you can sort of make light of it. but also give yet another apology and not a hard-hitting interview? >> that's my thought, it's the perfect place to go out and talk about it address it more.

it's a week from now, a long time in this culture. i guess i would be surprised if he does show up on letterman. >> one of the things that fascinates me now is that politics in our business you do anything wrong, and your whole livelihood has to be gone. you can no longer serve. he can't be in the anchor chair. what needs to happen do you think to actually push it to the level of urgency? >> right. i mean if you people for the first time are asking is he going to be fired? nbc like i said is standing by him. although not commenting publicly. to get to the point where something like that could happen or even a suspension there has to be examples of other misreporting. >> you've cued me up perfectly. now he when something like this happens, the scrutiny goes elsewhere. there's been a lot of research going on in many different avenues, we have a bit of sound. they're calling into question his coverage of katrina. take a listen to his reporting. >> when you look out of your hotel room window in the fremplg quarter and watch a man float by face-down, when you see

bodies that you last saw in banda aceh indonesia and swore to your self you would never see in your country, i beat that storm. >> the new orleans "advocate" points out the fact that it's well known that the frenchwet, but there wouldn't have been bodies floating by. so this is a credibility issue again. do you think it's going to be one of those cases where it's going to be a snowball effect? >> well iraq and hurricane katrina were two of the most important stories in brian williams' career. because they helped him establish even more credibility and helped him become even better known to the audience. so the critics and reporters digging into this. are going at key parts of his past. i want to say brian williams has decades of credibility. he is beloved by his audience. and frankly, he's beloved by me if i'm home at 6:30 i'm watching the "nightly news,"

with brian williams and i have been for years. but this stuff, this is the heart of what he stands for. and so to be silent about it -- and to have folks digging through his record and scrutinizeing it while he's ignoring it -- >> he wasn't silent about it. >> he apologized. what's the answer now? >> since wednesday night nothing. and the other stories come up. there's no defense right now being provided by nbc. and -- >> you want to hear from nbc? is that what it is? >> i think both the network and the anchor himself are going to have to say more about these stories. >> why, though? what would he say that would satisfy you? what was going on with the katrina thing? i don't know. but my instinct is, you think you've never heard anchors, correspondents borrow from the collective experience of coverage when they've been on the ground for a long time and extend it to their own experience? we both know people do that. if you standing in a place, i was at katrina, you know i've stood in there, the french quarter was wet. i didn't see any bodies float by but there were plenty of bodies floating by.

and you often say we saw this we saw that because of the team that's covering it there. i think we got to be careful about what kind of bar we start applying to this guy that doesn't get applied to everybody. >> i agree with you on that. and that is part of this issue of our culture, this moment is when everybody focuses on one guy and looks at one individual and tries to figure out what happened. it can seem like there's a much higher bar being applied than for everybody else. >> the management being quiet, that is weird. >> it is very interesting. look this is a cold front that obviously a lot of us are talking about. we want to get our viewers in on the conversation as well. tweet us at "new day," tweet brian, we can continue the conversation there and on our facebook page. this is one story, certainly not the most important story, there's a lot of news, so let's get to it. it's time to provide ukraine the ability to defend itself. >> we cannot close our eyes to tanks that are crossing the border from russia.

>> we will not be able to give ukrainian forces enough equipment. >> to get peace you have to defend your country. jordanian f-16s took to the skies over syria, striking nearly 20 isis targets. >> we're going after them wherever they are with everything that we have. >> they are not as bold as they once were. mayday mayday engine burn-out. >> amid such a tragedy, there were miraculous stories of survival. >> a 15-month-old toddler now out of icu. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone welcome back to your "new day." top officials from the u.s. and europe shifting into high gear this morning, they're trying to stop the increasing russian threat to ukraine. they're broadening efforts to prevent further escalation as the u.s. issues dire assessments about this crisis. >> you are on the verge of war, military action is needed. but it will not be enough.

so shuttle diplomacy is in full swing. joe biden is in brussels meeting with european leaders. the presidents of germany and france are set to meet with vladimir putin. the question is -- is it already too late? we have this story covered from all angles let's begin in kiev with cnn chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. the latest my friend? >> well chris, good morning, you have this you say the french and german leaders going to moscow today, and let me describe the stakes they are describing. they're talking about ending a war in europe. stopping the horror on the ground. this is not some minor skirmish a million miles away. they describe it in terms of a war in europe one that threatens not only ukraine, but nato and the rest of europe. the trouble is as they sit down in moscow they're going to be sitting across the table from the man, russian president vladimir putin, who they blame for violating past agreements repeatedly and they blame for escalating the violence on the

ground. particularly in the last several days sending in more russian heavy weapons, more russian troops. a small cease-fire in some of the worst-hit towns today. to allow civilians to get out. the trouble is the worry is that you have each of these small agreements that the front line moves forward and that leaves more territory under russian control. still unresolved at this point, will there be another round of pushing economic sanctions? on russia? not yet. they want it talk first. and still no decision from the u.s. as to whether they're going to send weapons to ukraine. and i'll tell you, speaking to ukrainian officials, they make it clear in private and in public that they want and they need that military aid simply to defend their country. >> jim sciutto, thanks for that as we understand at this moment vice president joe biden is speaking in europe. he says russia cannot be allowed to redraw the map of europe. let's get to erin mclaughlin, she is in moscow where vladimir putin, angela merkel and francois hollande will talk in about two hours.

what do we know erin? >> well good morning, alisyn. that's right. the stakes here in moscow today are high. russian president vladimir putin, german chancellor angela merkel and french president francois hollande set to meet in the coming hours. the talks aimed at ending the bloodshed in eastern ukraine. part of the new diplomatic push on the part of france and germany to not only aim for a cease-fire but also maintain the territorial integrity of ukraine. but the big question remains will this latest effort work? especially when you consider that russia shows no signs of backing down. the defense ministry has announced new military drills to take place along the russian/ukrainian border right through february 14th. alongside all of this diplomatic effort. we have heard from a spokesperson from the russian president, vladimir putin, who

has said that these talks are welcome. they're looking at these talks as a positive step. kremlin state media has reportedly cording to the quoting the kremlin saying they are still considering the details of this proposal and they're remaining open to it. back to you. >> all right. erin to borrow a phrase war is often old people talking and young people dying. let's get to senior international correspondent nick paton walsh, live in eastern ukraine with the latest on the violence. nick? >> chris, here the violence has been escalating nonstop for a week. and the diplomatic round frankly is catching up with events on the ground. i have to say that vague leaked ideas of the peace plan don't like they're going to have much truck here. separatists increasingly confident and emboldened and we're dealing with a defacto partition of this country, anyway. behind me is an office where ukrainians can get a pass that will allow them into and out of

the separatist-held areas. they're very hard to come by. at the borders, when you cross into separatist areas, it's ukrainian border guards. so so much of this conflict is already hiving off the nets and letting russia deal with the infrastructure area. the bulk of the town is still being shelled, hopes for the hume man tearian corridor. we were there last weekend and saw the devastation happening there. and people fleeing out of that particular stage there are thousands who have lost their lives in this war. the violence specking up. the separatists are militarily doing very well on the ground at this stage. and the peace talks potentially in moscow will maybe see two sides of the table with different opinions about how this war can be wound down. and with that level of new confidence and equipment, the separatists have it's going to take an awful lot to slow down their advance here. >> nick paton walsh reporting. thank you so much. jordan vowing to hit isis with everything it has until the terrorists are wiped out.

the campaign opened with a round of air strikes against isis positions in syria. following the isis video. the horrifying video that showed jordan's fighter pilot being burned alive. wants to turn to oman jordan and bring in jomana karadsheh. jomana? >> michaela jordan is naming its mission after the fallen pilot calling it muath the martyr jordan says it's carried out a multitude of air strikes against isis targets in unspecified locations in syria. they say they've hit training camps and also weapons and ammunition storage facilities that they say they've destroyed. according to the syrian observatory for human rights they say at least ten militants were killed. this is the initial figure that they released. and isis also published photos of destruction. we were in the home town of the pilot when this news was announced about the new mission, about these increased air strikes. and at that point we saw fighter

jets flying at a low altitude. and according to the father of the pilot, this was not only a tribute to a fallen colleague, he was told by the king king abdullah who visited him yesterday, to pay respects at that time, saying that these same fighter jets had just returned from carrying out the air strikes, returning from mission. news that is really welcome. and he says that also the king promised that he will continue to bombard isis in what jordan says is just the beginning of their retaliation. ailsen? >> jomana thank you so much for all of that background. there's a lost breaking news around the world this morning. so we want to bring in congressman jim himes, a democrat from connecticut and a member of the house intelligence committee. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> happy to be here. >> let's start with what's going on in ukraine. vice president bide sn speaking as we speak in brussels right now. he just said putin has ignored every agreement, including minsk.

russia cannot be allowed to redraw the map of europe. what can be done about what's going on in ukraine? >> well i think as you probably know the german and french leaders are meeting with putin today. and i think they need to be very clear with him. you know things are bad already for him. with oil where it is. the russian economy is in a lot of trouble. he could get bogged down in a major way in ukraine. i think what the germans and french need to deliver is the argument that if he doesn't stand down he is going to see, this is a key issue for washington right now, he is going to see the introduction of lethal defensive aid to the ukrainians. and he will start to bear a heavy cost in eastern ukraine. hopefully that gives us the leverage us collectively the leverage to get him to stand down. >> here's the rub -- the sanctions are working, right? that's what we hear. that the economy is depressed, the ruble has trouble, he has trouble with the oligarchs. and yet this situation has become his booster with his own people right? look how we fight for our own. look how we doing the right

thing against everybody else. how do you balance that where in effect ukraine is helping him to deal with what is hurting him? >> what he needs is he needs a face-saving way out. exactly. we've watched this guy for a very long time. face is very important to him. i think he needs to understand that his activities are going to become very expensive. now remember you know yes, his popularity is very high because of what has happened now. but if there is lethal aid introduced to ukraine and all of a sudden russian soldiers are being sent home -- they're denying there's even any russian soldiers there. when they start getting killed and start sending them home to their families in russia the sentiment towards putin could change quickly in russia. >> cease-fire sanctions. we saw the cease-fire talks break down last fall. we know sanctions have already been imposed what are our answers here? it seems there's so few left. >> well more sanctions and the threat of the introduction of lethal arms right? to date as you know the united states has not provided lethal arms to the ukrainians. there's an argument about this.

look this is a sovereign nation that's been subject to an invasion an invasion that russia is lying about. an invasion that is killing civilians in the area. and this isn't necessarily the end, right? russia around its periphery has other countries that putin in a bid to try to increase his popularity domestically might have designs on. so i think this is the time and the place to stop it. and of course stopping it means giving the guy a face-saving way out. >> are your colleagues in congress ready to send lethal aid weapons? >> at this point we passed sometime ago, legislation which would authorize lethal aid going to ukraine. it is now a white house decision whether to do so or not. i think you will see and my guess would be in the congress particularly given this behavior lately from the russians that the congress would be supportive. >> what will you accept? we allowed crimea we lived through this movie once before right? they went into crimea we said you can't go into crimea. west said you can't go there. you gave them crimea. will that happen again?

is there a line you're willing to draw somewhere in the middle of the country? >> i'm not sure we gave them crimea. >> he took it. >> he took it with a the question is what would your response be. we put in sanctions that are verydamaging to the economy. do you start thinking about actually direct military conflict? we cannot forget in this as badly as putin is behaving we cannot forget that we've got profound interests with him in iran in having him work with us to make sure the iranians are not developing nuclear weapons. in syria, where he holds a lot of the strings in damascus and with assad. my own point of view is let's hit the guy, but let's not hit him so hard that we start damaging the other efforts that we need him on our side for. >> isis jordan as you know ramped up their attack on isis with air strikes, but still, the united states is doing the lion's share. there's 80% of the air strikes have come from the u.s. whereas only 20%, i believe we have a graphic has been

conducted by other members of the coalition. is it realistic to think that jordan can do what it says it's going to do? they're saying this is our fight. we are at the forefront of this fight. >> yeah well i'll tell you it's good to hear them say that and that's been true for a very long time. people have started to focus on jordan because of the horrific event with their pilot. jordan has been side by side with the united states in a very important way for a long time. covertly overtly, helping us out and now they're important, not because they have a big military. jordan is a very poor country with a huge problem in terms of the syrian refugees who are living there now. but they're important to us because symbolically this needs to be seen by the world and in particular the arab world as a western and arab effort against an appalling terrorist group. jordan out front really helps us in framing what's happening there as not the west versus islam or anything else. but duly the civilized world up against some real monsters.

>> congressman jim himes, thanks so much. we have more news we're learning new information about what brought down transasia airways flight 235. an aviation official says the pilots had problems with both engines. and that stall warnings went off five times. the first just seconds after takeoff. searchers are back in the river where the plane went down they're still looking for eight people. obviously unaccounted for. so far, 35 people were killed 15 survived. jurors in the aaron hernandez murder trial will take a trip outside of the courtroom today. they'll be taken on a bus tour of key locations, including the industrial park where the body of victim odin lloyd was found. also to lloyd's home. jurors will visit the home of the accused killer. the judge is ordering the removal of any items in aaron hernandez' home that were not there at the time of the alleged murder. listen to this story. a 6-year-old missouri boy was forced to endure a four-hour staged kidnapping because his

family thought that he was being too nice to strangers. a family friend lured the boy into a truck. threatened him with a gun. tied him up and blind-folded him. the boy was taken unknowingly to his home and a family member told him he could be sold into sex slavery. the friend as well as the boy's mother aunt and grandmother face kidnapping and other felony charges. they told investigators they were trying to educate him. they believe they did nothing wrong. >> you don't know how much this gets my goat. we went from a child being too nice to a child that's now traumatized for the rest of his life. really? >> they're being charged. the good news is law enforcements and authorities figured out what they were doing. >> is there anybody left in his family that hasn't gone completely bonkers? that is they like to place children with a family member if they can. but -- >> obviously the action is being taken, so it's in the right place, but to color myself alisyn camerota for a second. not unlike anti-vaccers these are people who thought they were

doing to help their kid. they just did something the wrong way. >> this sbased on nothing. >> kids get taken all the time. >> sound off to us on twitter. let us talk about the snow. i'm saying it with a smile on my face. the northeast and the midwest about to get hit with another round. i learned the trick from you, jennifer gray, you give us the news about the intense cold yet you're haip happy about it. >> i'm happy because i'm in the studio. very cold across the east. we had the clipper system move through yesterday. it dumped a couple of inches of snow and very cold temperatures 8 below in boston is what it feels like 5 below in portland. cold anywhere vermont and northern maine. the next system is moving through late in the weekend. its going to be a slow mover. so we're talking about snow from saturday evening all the way through tuesday. when you can combine all of that snowfall totals could be anywhere from one to two feet. in upstate new york vermont, new hampshire and portions of maine, we could see eight to ten inches around boston. new york city you're once again on the line.

you could see a little bit of a rain-snow mix. could you also see anywhere from two to four inches. of course we do have some time to watch that before it hits. if you're trying to escape the cold. head west. warm out there. denver setting records, could see temperatures in the low 70s late they are afternoon. we're looking at very heavy rain across the pacific northwest. and portions of california. this is a state that saw zero rain in january and now they're seeing possible six to ten, maybe more as far as rain goes over the next couple of days. guys? >> got it jennifer thanks so much. well as jordan takes the fight to isis new questions about america's isis strategy. hear why one security expert is convinced it will not work. that's next. it was supposed to be a republican revolution in congress when the gop won big in november right? so what's with this early frust frustration setting into the gop. despite the deep shade of red in the chamber? guess who knows more about it and will tell you?

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tehran" a national security adviser under both presidents george w. bush and bill clinton. you know both teams, how they play the game what works and what does not. the question for you should be simple you know what they say they need to do you've said from the beginning, you will not beat them down with arms the fight must go further. do you see signs we're moving in the right or wrong direction? >> i see no signs of improvement. i think this has been a bipartisan across-the-aisle failure. failure not only to stop the growth of organizations like isis but to actually contribute to their growth. their explosion on the scene in a way that really threatens the united states and as we've discussed before. my concern that we may be sowing the seeds for the next attack in the united states. >> you can talk about the hypotheticals about the existential threat to the u.s. but i say, you talk about all

the threats, they start in that part of the world, the region. not in the united states. you have cultural problems in that part of the world that aren't addressed by the sovereigns. you have jordan saying it is our fight. let's listen to their level of commitment from the foreign minister. >> we're upping the ante we're going after them wherever they are, with everything we have. but it's not the beginning and certainly not the end. we're extremely fortunate to have friends and allies as part of a coalition. but we're at the forefront. this is our fight. >> what are we seeing? are we seeing a sea change in one lead anywhere that region leading other arabs and other sovereigns to get in? or are we just seeing a people tapping into their tribal culture of one of their own was killed in a bad way, now they'll take their revenge, who knows for how long? >> i think we're seeing a short-term interest in taking revenge. what we're seeing more long-term in terms of the trends, is the surge in recruitment that isis is able to galvanize from within jordan. there's strong support for isis within jordan. many people in isis are

jordanian, are saudi. thousands of saudis have joined isis. so these so-called allies that say that they're with us in a bombing campaign are also providing both the foot soldiers and the money to continue to sustain isis' recruitment strategy. but i want to also stress that this is not a problem that is inherent within the muslim world or is a problem inherent within islam. this is in part something that we have aggravated very seriously with our invasions in iraq and afghanistan, our decisions to overthrow governments in libya and syria. which have destroyed sunni political orders opened the battlefield and surged in tens of thousands of heavily trained, armed and financed sunni militants that we do with our so-called allies. so this is not something that we can just write off in terms of cultural problems within the muslim world. >> help me get to that point. because i understand what you're saying. but at the end of the day the people who are killing muslims and say they want to kill us and

everybody else who is not them say they do it in the name of islam. they are muslim. and they are being engendered in populations that we do not control through disaffection and depression and lack of education and a lot of other things. how does that wind up america's fault? >> where we see the crisis ground zero for this crisis has been iraq. which we did invade and occupy with 125,000 troops. $1 trillion and eight years of occupation. that's where it incubated. the leaders of isis were in american jails in iraq. and the lid was taken off the tinder box with syria when we demanded that the government of bashar al assad be overthrown and we again injected tens of thousands of armed and financed fighters between both us and our so-called allies for example, the saudis. so this is not something that we see happening in other parts of the muslim world that haven't been haven't been invade and

occupied like this. so we can't put a broad brush that this is a problem among muslims, we have to focus on what wur doing. it think the most important thing, a lesson we have not learned, it's simple -- do no harm. you can't throw a bomb at every problem and think that it's going to be fixed. >> true and that's why i use the word region not islam. you know i'm trying to use you to help inform a perspective that's wildly popular in the united states whether or not it's shared by me. the last question is this -- what do we do? do no harm is inaction. but obviously you need action here. what is the balance? what are the moves? >> well something that we're, we're, we've been loathe to do since the end of the cold war when we became the world's, one and only superpower and we basically thought we could militarily change and manage every situation around the globe, particularly in the middle east. we have to revert back to diplomacy, and conflict resolution. if we had real serious diplomacy

and conflict resolution in syria, in libya, in iraq -- there would be i think a very different story to be told. >> but not with da 'ish not with isis you see where that's getting with. >> i would not draw lines of who we negotiate with who we don't negotiate. we get down the slippery slope and we contribute to the one model that had the chance to succeed for moderate nonviolent sunni islam in egypt with the muslim brotherhood. we put our head in the sand and refused to deal with them for years, they've now been overthrown and the sunni world is facing a cataclysm. their moderate nonviolent groups are deeply pushed underground and we're left with the violent remnants. >> it's amazing how we talk about there are 1.6-plus billion muslims in the world and we're saying this is just a small slice of extremists and jihadists and they're starting to have more influence. thank you for the perspective, good to have you back on "new day." we'll turn to ukraine, where

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a renewed effort from western leaders to slow moscow's deadly aggression in ukraine. vice president biden meeting with european officials in brussels where he said russia cannot be allowed to redraw the map of europe. vladimir putin set to sit down 90 minutes from now with the leaders of france and germany as the etch u weighs another round of sanctions for russia. jordan claiming it destroyed isis training centers and arms depot. this is just the beginning of their revenge. says jordan. vowing to wipe out the terror group to avenge the brutal burning death of their fighter pilot. back here stateside, five babies who attend a suburban:00 day care have contracted the

measles, officials say ten more children including some just too young for vaccinations could also have been exposed. they've not identified the source of those infections at the center. so far this year there have been 102 confirmed measles cases in 14 states. 94 of those are linked to the disneyland outbreak. backlash for president obama this morning over comments he made seeming to equate islamic terrorism with violent acts committed by christians. at the national prayer breakfast, obama said quote people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. the president used the crusades and the inquisition as examples along with slavery and jim crow as u.s. examples of atrocities committed in the name of christ. accuracy versus popularity. he's going to he's going to hear it today. about this. let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with john king. you're hearing about this. is there a fair/unfair line here? >> between the president's

comments yesterday on religion? >> yeah. >> look, everything is fair game in this thing. the president is trying to remove himself and take an historical perspective. at the same time he's asking congress for authorization for use of force. if you believe that mr. president, why did you have to say it now. that's going to be part of the conversation. if you look at the blogs on the right, they're outraged. the big question i have is does it impact now as he asks congress for the votes to authorize military force in the isis fight. we'll see it as it plays forward. the president thought about what he was going to say, he wantsed to say it and now he's in the middle of a political thicket. let's go "inside politics," trying to connect dots here to help me jackie kucinich of the "daily beast" and peter hamby. republicans are off the rails with their revolution. they came to washington they have a new senate majority and said they're going to govern. they're having issues. let's start with immigration and why they have dysfunction and the dots i want to connect you to are pressure from other

forces in the party and the political polarization. let's start with speaker john boehner. the house passed legislation that funds the department of homeland security but tells president obama, sorry, you can't do all the things you did just after last year through executive action. speaker john boehner says now it's up to the senate the republicans now control the senate. why can't they imbrace what we did and pass it. listen. >> the house did its work. we won this fight. now it's time for senate republicans and senate democrats to come together and to hold the president accountable. he's got a tough job. he's got a tough job over there. i've got a tough job over here. god bless him and good luck. >> boehner's sarcasm, boehner humor. but mitch mcconnell has a different ethic. his guys run statewide. he's got 13 14 guys, republican senators, he doesn't have 60

votes, only 54. and he has republican senators from states obama won at least once and six or seven guys on the ballots in 2016 from states obama carried twice. why can't the republicans get themselves out of their immigration quicksand? >> it's also the traditional house versus the senate. it was a dream that it would everything would just go through and go to the president and woe veto it and they win. but i think with immigration, the other thing about the senate is one person can stop up the whole thing. so you have people like ted cruz, who is taking the very right and you're right. you have people on the swing states that don't want don't want to take a vote on immigration. so he hasn't mitch mcconnell hasn't learned to thread the needle yesterday. >> in 2016 there will be a lot of 2010 senate republicans up for re-election in swing states. ron johnson in wisconsin, richard bern in north carolina another example. jackie is right, there's so many procedural things going on here they need to get a 60 votes in the senate and they don't have that many votes. that's about it. so john boehner loves that the pressure is off him and he gets

to point at mitch mcconnell now. >> the procedural rules wouldn't be an issue if they had compromise and consensus over what to do the republicans can't negotiate with the democrats on immigration because they can't negotiate with themselves first. they can't resolve their own differences over what to do. they're stuck. as they try to resolve it in washington sometimes you say well there's a presidential campaign,is unfolding. let's see if the leaders out there are going to help the party find its way. jeb bush has one view. you have another potential candidate, listen here to louisiana governor bobby jindal. he was in town last night. this is not just about immigration. it's about every issue. bobby jindal says why did we elect the republicans if they're just going to compromise. >> my message to the republican leaders, republican party, elected officials is first, do what you promised us you were going do do when you asked us to vote for you. secly, don't become just cheaper democrats, we don't need democrat lite. quite frankly -- if the whole point of this election was simply to get john boehner and

mitch mcconnell nicer offices, let's give them back. i mean what is the point of having a republican party if it's only going to become a second liberal party in washington, d.c. >> so some of the potential candidates for president, are trying to push congress more to the right. you have a jeb bush who in his speech to the detroit economic club said why are we fighting over immigration, this should be easy to deal with. easy for him to say. >> well one thing bobby jindal is talking about here is the republican proposals to for an obamacare alternative. he's saying that they might raise taxes. so he doesn't want republicans to be democrat lite. but bobby jindal an ivy-leaguer and a rhodes scholar is now a red meat guy and the national conversation in the republican party is more bn what he's saying and what jeb bush is saying and what scott walk certificate saying than anything in washington. so when you have people like them throwing red meat to iowans that's where the media is going. and that puts pressure on people

in the house, too. i mean and people in the senate. the conservative energy right now with sr it's at. >> and bobby jindal used to be in the house. so there's that too, i always have a problem with someone who says they're not a washington insider and they've actually worked here. >> and he's a governor and there are many governors and former governors running for president. this is always the frame for that. that washington is broken you need a reformer an outsider. >> but they think this works, the red meat approach you've noted, even though that wasn't his past history, they think it works because of this. look at the gallup numbers today about polarization in america. and president obama now stands as among the most polarizing presidents you look at the number on the right. the average party gap. in other words, the president, there's a 70% gap between how democrats view president obama and how republicans view president obama. look at these numbers here. you know bill clinton at 51%, it's striking this got started in the clinton administration. but in the george w. bush administration and the barack obama administration just

crazy. president obama 13% approval among republicans. 83% among democrats. if you're bobby jindal and you want to be the republican nominee or if you're ted cruz you want to be the republican nominee. you don't speak to democrats, because you're dealing with the primary and we live in this parallel universe america. >> right and if you read into that it says that obama is on track to be the most polarizing president in history. so the incentive for republicans is to bash him now. academics call this not polarization, but sorting. this is a party realignment thing that's been happening for a while. grup framed this as republican versus democrat. ideological. so the old reagan democrats giving reagan a less polarizing score there now are now republicans. so that's sort of naturally happening. but your point is exactly right. about republicans attacking obama. that's a win for them. >> but the danger is when you get into a general election is trying to go back to the center. that's the thing that you haven't seen republicans be able to do in the last couple of elections. >> jeb bush is trying to do that. he said twice now to win the

general election you have to be willing to lose the primary. >> so let's look at the new new hampshire numbers. the question is will if work. we've got a year before people start voting for president. but this is a new poll jeb bush at 17 scott walker at 12. rand paul chris christie mike muck bee, 9, 9, 9, in other words, call jeb bush your front-runner but lower case that. front-runner because he can raise more money than other people at moment. because he's got infrastructure in place. but this is a wide-open. the iowa numbers were similar the other day. this is wild wild west. >> what's happening here is that and this was flew iowa des moines register bloomberg numbers. you see walker and jeb at the top. that's kind of a by-product of them being in the media conversation. they're on fox news they're on the internet. they have these little boomlets. we saw this in 2012 in the primaries, that people would kind of rise and fall week by week. just depending on where the national conversation was. we've seen a lot of jeb and walker in the news.

they're leading the polls. but not by much. it's a meaningless number at this point. >> but in new hampshire, we can figure out, this is not the first time new hampshire has been in close in a while. because you had mccain and romney who did pretty well in big bases in new hampshire. >> jackie peter, thanks for coming in. if you want to learn more about new hampshire, check out the hamby-cast. i like to watch peter, he as i like to say, finds the right places to eat on the road. we track his expenses religiously. >> i respect that. in a political reporter. actually any reporter, the hambycast, that's very cool. i want a alisyn camerotacast but i don't want to walk down the side of the road. an indoor alisyn camerotacast. that's the answer. watch john king and his "inside politics" panel break down the best political news of the week. back to our program,

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the u.s. and europe in overdrive this morning. to bring the conflict in ukraine to a peaceful end. how did the crisis there get to this point? and what can world leaders do now? here to walk us through it literally is lieutenant colonel james reese, a cnn global affairs analyst and a former u.s. delta force commander. i say you're going to walk us through it because we're on the map and you're going 0 explain the chronology of how we got to this point. let's start with a year ago, march of 2014. that's when russia annexed crimia explain what happened there. >> the bottom line is crimea down here in the peninsula, very critical strategic, because that's where russians had before one of their sub bases down there, it sits on the black sea, very strategic. not giving it back. >> that's when it got our attention. that vladimir putin was up to

something. >> and it seemed as though maybe he would stop with that but then he didn't stop. >> correct. >> so it moves on. then in april, a month later of 2014 what happens in donetsk. >> what you have is down here in the southeast corner along the border of russia the area that russian separatists forces and we believe spetznatz, very similar to what we're doing in iraq special forces advising and assisting, down in this area down here. that i think will be the next annexation for russia into ukraine. >> back in april of 2014 they started crossing the border. >> absolutely. >> but vladimir putin didn't admit they were crossing the border. >> that's correct, he said those are just separatists down there, doing internal civil fighting. >> what's his game here? why doesn't he want to -- if he's trying to get all of this land why isn't he saying that? >> well first off, you know you have to know the history of this area here. i mean this whole area down here

in the south -- mostly russian. and through the years, i mean this is where the russians back in early 1900s, a million ukraines were killed because they starved them and brought russians in and taught them russian in school and all this. so this is a huge historical aspect. and this is putin, just kind of playing his chess game that he's very good at doing. >> another key moment july 2014 that is during the crash of mh-17. what happened? >> well we all know, chris was there, down in this area right down here is where the crash happened. you know we know now that the russian separatist forces that were trained on russian anti-aircraft guns shot down a civilian aircraft. >> i said crash, but truly, the reason that this is on the map is because they shot it down. >> absolutely. >> that was an escalation moment. >> absolutely it was. let's move on to february what we're in now, 2015. and show us on the map what's happening. >> okay so the big thing now is you see down here this whole area along the east is really now the russian separatists and

we'll call russian special forces the advise and assist mission going on. the big area now is the ballota bay, back down here a little bit. there's a little peninsula of land in the middle here. that the ukrainian forces are surrounding. you can see the circled area here. north to the eefrt and to the south. they're surrounded. and right now, unfortunately most of the ukraine army is holing in they've got trench lines digging in it's a major transportation hub that hets them resupply from kiev to the west. if they lose that they lose that major transportation hub, this could cause a lot of desertions in the ukraineian army. and right now the ukrainian kids that are down there, a lot of con conscripts. a critical time. >> as we speak, world lead remembers meeting in europe to try to figure out what to do what's the answer about what do do in ukraine? >> if we're going to push for the u.s. to push lethal aid in

here, i think we're wasting our money. >> why? >> we have to it's a conscript army. you can push all the lethal aid enter there in the world, but if they're not trained to know how to use it it's just it's a waste of money and unfortunately, the ukrainians they're so corrupt in their military right now it needs a complete change-over and we're just pushing money at the problem is not going to help. >> so you don't think lethal aid, you think diplomacy? >> diplomacy has to be. we have to bring lethal aid. but there's going to have to be folks to train and do things along with it it's not a throw $40 million at it and we'll call it a day. >> colonel reese, thanks so much for illustrating all of this. over to michaela. we turn to the nba. l.a. clippers point guard chris paul coming under fire for criticism he had for a referee. the referee happened to be a woman. he's getting heat. were his criticisms sexist?

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little round ball here for you. clippers all-star guard chris paul igniting a bit of a firestorm for his criticism of a female referee. mike has more in this morning's bleacher report. welcome to "new day," mike. >> great to see you, michaela. >> you, too. >> listen to the end of the sound bite that's where chris paul in the eyes of some goes here. tough night for the clippers getting blown out. the referees dolling out a lot of technicals. four in one quarter. three in one minute. chris paul gets one dolled out by rookie ref ward holtcamp. here's chris paul. >> i got a tech that i got right there is ridiculous. i don't care what nobody says. i don't care wa she says. that's terrible. there's no way that can be a technical. you try to get the ball out fast every time down the court. when we did that she said un-uh. i said why, un-uh.

she gave me a technical. this might not be for her. >> this might not be her for. that's the line that he may have to come clarify today. the league may step in as well. see if they make comments. holt holtcamp one of three referees. why was he upset? the clippers didn't show up. lebron james, he and his teammates going off. lebron 23 points nine assists. cleveland's won 12 in a row. that's their longest win streak in five years. again, tough night all the way around for the clippers. tough day for tiger woods. he is really struggling. mentally we know he shot the worst round in his career an 82. now the back issues flaring up again. i had to pull out of the farmer's insurance open. this is the third time he's had to withdraw in nine starts or nine tournaments or eight tournaments, excuse me. many wondering, you guys will we ever see the dominant tiger again? will he ever win a major again? he hasn't won one since the u.s.

open in 2008. >> good question. we wonder. good to have you with us mike. >> yeah. >> give tiger the benefit that he just needs time. i give chris paul the benefit also. >> me too. he's a good dude. i don't know -- but they often are quite critical of the new refs in the league. >> if it was a guy and a rookie maybe he would have said this isn't for him. >> exactly. >> i love when you guys talk sports and you include me. >> not a sports story though that one. >> a human story. >> we've got to go. i'm getting yelled at. ukraine is coming close to all out war. desperate moves by germany, france and the u.s. all rushing to see if they can get vladimir putin to end the russian aggression. we have the latest. jordan striking back. how will isis respond and will jordan's strikes put the fate of an american hostage there in jeopardy?

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it's time to provide ukraine the ability to defend itself. >> we cannot close our eyes to tanks that are crossing the border from russia. we will not be able to give

ukrainian forces enough equipment. >> to get these, you have to defend your country. jordanian f-16s took to the skies over syria striking nearly 20 isis targets. >> we're going after them wherever they are with everything that we have. >> they are not as bold as they once were. jurors will get a closeup look at the crime scene. >> the prosecution wants to show where hernandez planned this killing. >> why are they going to the victim's home? >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome to "new day." it is friday february 6th. just after 8:00 in the east. there is renewed urgency this morning to stop the deadly russian aggression in ukraine with concerns of a broader conflict brewing, western nations are sending in the big guns to keep a depleted eastern ukraine from becoming part of western russia. vice president biden meeting

with european leaders in brussels. they're set to meet with vladimir putin. can he be slowed down after a year's worth of pressure has gone basically nowhere. we have this story covered from all angles beginning with cnn national security correspondent jim sciutto in kiev. >> chris and alisyn we have the french and german leaders arriving in moscow within the hour. their effort there they say in the simplest terms, to end a war in europe. the german chancellor talking about ending the horror on the ground in eastern ukraine. those are the stakes right now. the focus is on resurrecting a peace agreement negotiated in september. the trouble is they're going to be sitting across the table from the man they accuse of breaking that agreement repeatedly russian president vladimir putin. there's been no doubt about who u.s. officials, including u.s. secretary of state john kerry as well assigned the blame for this acute escalation in violence just in recent days that is russia. russian force, russian heavy

weapons. some minor progress today. a small cease-fire in some of the smaller towns that have been hit allowing civilians to flee. with each of these smaller sees fires, the front line advances and there's left more land under in effect russian control. still no decisions yet on whether there will be a new round of economic sanctions against russia and also the key question will the u.s. send military aid to ukraine. that's still unresolved. alisyn and chris. >> jim, thank you very much. give us the latest when you have it. ukraine on one side, russia on the other. just an hour from now a meeting with vladimir putin with so much in the balance. let's get to aaron mclaughlin. she's in moscow monitoring the situation. who will be there and what is on the table? >> reporter: well good morning, chris. german chancellor angela merkel expected to arrive here in moscow within the hour followed shortly thereafter by french president francois hollande.

they'll be sitting down at the table with russian president vladimir putin. the stated german-french goal is to achieve a cease-fire in eastern ukraine. to end the bloodshed and horrors. their goals, to maintain ukraine's territorial integrity, which is no small fete considering that russia shows no signs of backing down. the defense ministry has announced a new military drove along the russian/ukrainian border. those drills expected to last through february 14th. now the kremlin for its part has said that this visit on the part of france and germany is a welcome one. hoping for a constructive conversation but at the same time pointing to president putin's own proposals that he has put forward in the days and weeks leading up to these talks. so it will be interesting to see if they are able to reach some sort of compromise. chris? >> all right, erin.

thank you very much. alisyn. >> how soon could president obama decide on arming ukrainian rebels. let's go to jim accosta with that part of the story. jim, what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. all appearances are that the president is getting ready to make a decision on that and give aid to the ukrainians in their fight against pro russian rebels. white house officials say there is deepened engagement on this issue at the national security level inside this administration. one key thing i want to point out. you recall earlier this week when the defense secretary nominee ash carter testified that he's inclined to support that proposal for defensive military aid to ukraine, i talked to a senior administration official last night who said that that position is not all that different from where the white house is right now. so that is an indication that the white house may be moving in that direction. also want to point out what this official told me and that is the flurry of activity that is underway right now. john kerry and ukraine

yesterday, vice president biden in brussels today, the president meeting with angela merkel the german chancellor on monday. this official noting and i'm inferring from this official noting that there was a similar flurry of diplomatic action slapping sanctions on moscow. so interesting that all of that is happening now as this key questioning of arming or helping arm ukraine with those defensive weapons is taking place. at the same time we may get more tea leaves from susan rice later on today. the national security advisor due to give a speech on the president's national security strategy. keep in mind what vice president biden said earlier this morning. he said ukraine is fighting for its survival and that russia cannot be allowed to redraw the map of europe. that's some pretty strong language coming from this administration this morning. alisyn. >> jim, thanks so much for all of that. michaela. all right. jordan claiming it destroyed isis training centers and arms depots depots. they're warning this is just the beginning of their vengeance.

let's go to amman, jordan and bring in joe man that karadsheh. >> reporter: they're naming this after the fallen pilot. they've got undisclosed locations in syria. the targets that were struck and they say they destroyed include training camps and ammunition and weapons storage facilities. we're hearing that at least 10 militants were killed in these airstrikes according to the syrian observatory for human rights and isis did post photos of the destruction. now we were in the hometown of the pilot when news broke that jordan has begun this mission that as officials here are describing it they are upping the ante. at that point we saw fighter jets flying at low altitude over the town in what seemed to be a tribute to a fallen colleague and the father of the pilot telling us that the king of

jordan, king abdullah, promised him that they are going to continue to bombard isis strong holds until they demolish the group. >> jomana thanks for all of that background. we want to bring in deputy spokesperson for the state department, marie harth. good morning, marie. >> good morning. >> let's start with what's going on in europe. moments ago vice president biden spoke out. he spoke out against what vladimir putin has been doing in ukraine. we have just a little snippet of what he said to other world leaders. listen to this. >> russia can not be allowed to redraw the map of europe. >> russia cannot be allowed to redraw the map of europe yet it feels as though that's what they're doing. what is the u.s.'s position on what's happening with vladimir putin now? >> well alisyn we have been increasingly concerned over the past days and weeks with the real uptick in violence in ukraine, violence that's directed by the russians. you know there's been a lot of

talk about diplomatic proposals on the table, which ones are good which ones aren't as good. the questions here isn't whether there's a diplomatic proposal on the table, the problem is whether president putin is ready to take any of them. if he doesn't, if he continues escalating i think you'll see from us and our european partners an increasing cost to him. he has a choice here to make alisyn. >> is the u.s. standing by while russia redraws the map of the world? he's already annexed crimea. it seems that that's underway. >> we have stood with the ukrainians and others in the world. we have put sanctions in place that have had a very significant impact on their economy and we are actively considering what more we can do going forward with the ukrainians. secretary kerry was just there talking with them exactly about this issue. >> well one more thing that the u.s. could do is provide lethal aid to the rebels. we just had congressman jim hines from connecticut on "new day" this morning. he reminded us congress passed a

resolution to do just that in 2014 but nothing has been done by the white house. what's the holdup? >> well right now we're actively looking at what more we can do, what other kinds of assistance might make sense. our goal all along here has been de-escalation. buy want to get weapons out of eastern ukraine, not put more in there. we have been concerned over the past days and weeks about the escalating violence there and we are very supportive of the ukrainians. right now we're having those conversations about what else we might do. >> do you think that that will happen? will the white house approve lethal aid for the rebels? >> well i think i'm probably not in the business of guessing what policy outcomes will be from internal discussions, but i will say we are looking at every single way we can help the ukrainians more. we're also very focused, of course here on the diplomatic route. obviously secretary kerry and our partners have given president putin a diplomatic off ramp. he hasn't taken it yet. if he continues not to take it there will be additional costs. >> speaking of providing weapons

where needed let's talk about the fight against isis and what's going on with jordan. jordan says that they are upping the ante against isis. they say that they're willing to do whatever it takes to wipe out isis. is it time to give the jordanians more weapons to do that? >> well absolutely. jordan has shown incredible resolve in the face of this brutal murder of their pilot, and we have one of the largest security assistance relationships with jordan. just this week secretary kerry and foreign minister judas signed a new mou increasing that assistance increasing that relationship. we are absolutely expediting any requests they have for military assistance and we're going to keep working with them on the shared fight together. absolutely alisyn this is something we're committed to. >> that's good to hear because we had senator john mccain on "new day" earlier this week where he says that the u.s. state department itself has been an impediment to getting weapons for jordan. here is what the senator had to

say. >> there's a huge bureaucratic bottleneck in the state department. there is problems with getting permission for certain types of weapons which has been very frustrating to the jordanians. >> marie, he says there's been a huge bureaucratic bottleneck in getting these weapons. what's your response? >> well look alisyn nothing could be further from the truth. the truth is that the state department working with our partners has brought together over 60 countries including jord dab to fight isil. we have expedited weapons and security assistance to countries like jordan to the iraqis to others to fight this threat. so we have been full speed ahead in terms of helping our partners get the arms and the weapons they need. we've been full speed ahead in standing by our partners as they've taken the fight directly to isil. that's what we're going to keep doing. we'll do it quickly as we can. >> the senator says the jordanians have been frustrated by this bureaucracy. are you saying this morning that the jordanians have everything that they've asked for. >> i don't think either of us

should speak for the jordanians. they can speak for themselves. what we hear in our conversations with the king with the foreign minister with other jordanian partners is that we have an incredibly close relationship. just this week, again, signing a new mou to increase that more. we work very closely together and that's going to continue. >> marie hartff, we appreciate you coming on "new day." >> happy to be here. keep an eye out on this happening today. national security adviser susan rice will unveil the president's security strategy specifically outlining his foreign policy and key action points. cnn has learned the overall strategy does go beyond force focusing heavily on diplomacy and coalition building. topics also on the table, the obvious. near war in ukraine motivated by russia and the battle against the islamic state in iraq and syria. remember there is an authorization of force sitting with congress against isis but

no plan from the white house attached yet. congress is moving to impose new sanctions against north korea. legislation introduced in the house would dish out stiff punishments for foreign nations doing business with pyongyang. a measure that would mostly impact china. the bill has bipartisan support and is widely seen as retaliation for the north's alleged cyber attack against sony pictures. the u.s. reportedly pressing cuba to accelerate the process of restoring diplomatic ties. reuters reports the obama administration wants to open the embassy in havana by april. cuba's demand that it be removed from the list of terrorist states is a major sticking point. u.s. and cuban negotiators expected to meet later this month or in march for a second round of talks on renewing relations. so many pieces and parts to it all, right? not just simple okay handshake. so many pieces and parts. >> never is. if you look at what's going on with the middle east with who allies are, whom do you choose to say you're okay?

cube barks everybody wants to open it up. it seems great. you want to go there but there are so many groups of people there that have had so much wrong done to them for so long if that's not taken care of how do you give more? >> the devil is in the details. we'll stay on that for you. talking about devil in the detail nowhere is that more true than in a murder trial and the case of aaron hernandez. it's just going on in ways you couldn't have expected. the jury is going to get to see key locations firsthand, including the spot where odin lloyd was found. that's a rare field trip. the latest rare occurrence by the way. we have a good look inside this trial and what is key at that scene.

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unusual but could be very instructive and important. a field trip is on the docket today for the jury in the aaron hernandez murder trial. you know him, the one-time new england patriot now murder suspect. the panel is going to tour the crime scene where odin lloyd was found, his home and the home of aaron hernandez. this follows a week of real drama in court, including testimony from dueling sisters. they're on opposite sides of the case but they're talking about each other. a judge scolding a victim's mother about being emotional. what is going on here? we have people who can tell us. mel rob and joey jackson, hln legal analyst. lady and gentlemen, let's start

with the field trip. i know it happens, but it's unusual, especially with this many venues. a reminder of the chronology. joey you're next to me. what pops out to you here about what they need to see there in order to make the case? >> well think about it this way, chris. generally speaking in a courtroom, right, what you're doing is you're taking the jury through the testimony in a courtroom. you're taking them to the scene. interestingly enough what's happening here is they're physically actually taking them to the scene. so they'll see a number of things and obviously this is a circumstantial case on the part of the prosecution. in general terms, let's talk about who's affected by what. i think the prosecutor's going to play big. the secluded area. remember the nissan enters that secluded area and that of course is that industrial park where the body is found, but then let's jump forward. where else are they going to go chris? they're going to go to aaron hernandez home and when you live in such a beautiful home in a beautiful environment, $40 million, you have the contract a beautiful daughter why you tell me would you do something

like this to your good friend? that's what's going play out here. >> mel, can you mitigate? what do you feel they won't see there or why this shouldn't be done? the judge had to say it was okay. >> well you know the judge has got a lot of latitude in making this. let me tell you what they're going to see a lot of chris. a lot of this. there's about three feet of snow on the ground at the scene and the shooting took place in june. i think that this is very helpful for the prosecution because what they want to do chris, is they want to show just how close this industrial park is to aaron hernandez's house. they've got a time line. they'll shrink it down. it's one thing to do what joey and i do in a courtroom which is put the jury at the scene and describe it it's another thing, chris and joey take them there and drive them in the house. even in the winter even though there's snow on the ground the jury will feel how short that distance is which they're going to bring into the courtroom with them when they weigh the

testimony and the physical evidence chris. >> right. but, you know this works both ways this game. >> sure does. >> the defense counsel is going to say, by the way, where are those sneakers that they say fit this show print. what does it mean there was a joint or roach with a bit of dna. this will work both ways. the judge allowing them to go there, that's relevant. now, did police mishandle evidence? joey if you were going to say yes, what evidence would that be and why? >> all right. so listen. depending what side you're on prosecution will say we handle it properly and appropriately. defense will say did you really do that? let's talk about why. you collected shell casings and you put two shell casings into one bag, seriously. there were various items. a baseball cap, the marijuana cigarette and you didn't measure it you didn't take the time to mark the time that you collected the evidence and photograph when you were taking that evidence. in addition to that, what about

the baker's dozen of particular detectives and everybody else who was at the crime scene. there are a couple of dozen people. you want to talk about tire tracks and footprints. those weren't my guys they were contaminated with all of your detective's information. that is going to play big for the defense. >> joey counters your physical play of snow with smoke. do you believe that this smoke will turn into fire in terms of getting some evidence kicked out? >> you know i don't think so. when you're a defense attorney in a circumstantial evidence case which this is we don't have a videotape of the shooting in fact we don't have one of the co-defendants turning yet and testifying against hernandez, so as a defense attorney you make a mountain out of a mole hill and every one of these things are tiny. you may have a baker's dozen there trying to bake a cake but it doesn't fully bake on the defense side chris. >> right. >> because what the prosecution's going to say look yeah it may have been pouring rain out, we may have put two casings in one baggy,

but dna doesn't jump from one casing to another. we've got a fingerprint. we've got his dna on a casing. >> right. >> they're going to try to tell you that a baggy matters and a tape measure matters but, folks, we've got dna. their case is so bad that that's why they're focusing on these things that do not matter. >> very well said mel. the only point to that though is if you're sloppy. if you're mixing up evidence if you're not measuring and you're not particular and you're not appropriate about everything you're doing, what else did you mess up? >> uno falsus in tuto. you make one mistake, one lie, we can assume it happens all the way through. the most intriguing part here. you've got sisters on different sides of this case. one the fiance of aaron hernandez, the other the friend/girlfriend of odin lloyd. the more even more intriguing joey is that the sister connected to odin lloyd said that her sister started acting funny after this certain time frame when this may have

happened. >> that's big. >> very rare. >> absolutely. now we have shayanna. you mentioned she was acting weird. we don't have the murder weapon. why don't we have it? because she na ayeah she says that her sister went downstairs took a bag, left asked to borrow her car. she had this bag in her hand. we don't know what's in the bag. what's the inference? it was the gun that the fiance took out the house and hid and that's why the police don't have it. >> mel, you know what you have you have one sister talking about another one. how persuasive could that be to a jury? >> you know it might be persuasive when you take the totality of circumstances and you put into the mix the dna at the scene, you put into the mix the way that the sister behaved, you put into the mix everything. you know on its own does it mean anything that the sister

was acting cagey, that the sister upon hearing, my gosh your soon-to-be husband was just killed that's terrible. let me run into the basement and act weird. let me borrow your car with a bag and go away. no sister that's innocent of something would act that way. it doesn't prove that she did anything but, again, it's another piece of evidence that we take and we put on the scale as the jury weighs everything and has them say, huh, something's not right here. when i hear the defense attorney tell me that that videotape that shows aaron hernandez holding clearly a gun, might be an ipad or remote that's ridiculous. don't insult my intelligence and don't insult my intelligence when you say the sister wasn't in on it. >> i think you guys are too much lawyer and not enough just family member. maybe it's because i'm an italian american. you see family going at it with these kinds of stakes involved that's going to wash something onto the jury. i put a picture on the judge. we'll give her honor a break today but that move with the

mother saying don't cry too much about your dead child, that was unusual. having this field trip unusual. we'll keep an eye on whether this trial is being conducted the right way. thank you very much. alisyn. chris, did saudi arabia help fund the 9/11 attacks? that's what the so-called 20th hijacker is saying from behind bars. can he be believed? the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings.

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all right. here's your friday edition of the five things you need to know for your "new day." western leaders are stepping up efforts to stop russia's increasing aggression on ukraine. vice president biden meeting with european officials. we're about 30 minutes away from a sitdown between vladimir putin and the presidents of france and germany. breaking now, jordan has just completed a second round of airstrikes as retaliation for their fighter pilot. the strikes were carried out by two dozen jordanian planes accompanied by u.s. jets. officials are now saying there were problems with both engines on this trans asia

flight that crashed caught on camera this week. stall warnings also went off in the cockpit five times just after takeoff. five infants at a suburban chicago day care have contracted the measles. ten more children including some too young for vaccinations could also have been exposed. officials have not identified the source of those infections. looks like the snow will not stop. the northeast and midwest bracing again for another round. some of the same spots buried under feet of snow over the past few weeks, sorry to tell you, you may see heavy accumulations again. we're always updating the five things to know visit new daycnn.com for the latest. we do have some breaking news now. the new jobs report for january just released. chief business correspondent christine romans here with the numbers for cnn money now. how's it looking? >> looking pretty good. looking stronger than we expected. january, 250,000 net new jobs created. better than we saw in the end of the year quite frankly, december. we had some provisions meaning

there were stronger job creation in november and december. you're seeing a trend here alisyn of job creation that keeps going. one interesting thing about this report is that the unemployment rate that caught us by surprise. that ticked up. if you look at that it was 5.7%. we've been expecting it to come down to 5.5. here's my on the fly guess for why this went up. all of these headlines about an improving job market means people who left the labor market are trying to go back in and saying now i'm actively looking for a job. that can drive the unemployment rate up. the important thing is how far we've come. this has been unbelievable the trajectory here. the kinds of jobs we're hearing, retail jobs health care jobs construction jobs. that's important. those tend to pay a little bit more. >> it's interesting. good news/bad news. if the unemployment rate ticks up but it means more people are engaged, that's good news. >> it means more people are engaged. for a long time we've been saying if people like me are coming out saying the job market is improving, it's healing. last year was the best year for

job creation since 1999 people will start coming into the labor market. we have a great story on cnn money this morning that shows you the quality of the jobs. 60% of the jobs that president obama took over have been temporary jobs home health care aides, servers. we want to see the jobs broaden out to business information services higher paying jobs construction manufacturing. we're starting to see that. >> very quickly, are these jobs numbers for january higher than expected or lower than expected. >> higher than expected with better revisions from last year. higher than expected on job creation. unemployment rate ticked up because people are coming back into the labor market. they feel like they have a shot. >> happy friday. great to see you. let's go over to chris. alisyn everybody's wondering if what's going on with jordan will lead the region to get more involved and own this war against extremism. prominent saudis may have had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.

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contents of the 28 pages that the american public has never been permitted to see. 28 pages into a congressional inquiry not the 9/11 commission highly classified under lock and key beneath the capitol. you have bob graham saying the american people should see what's in those documents. it raises a question why the administration won't release that data. why don't you think we can see it? >> they've seen the saudis a key partner in what's going on in the current conflagration in the middle east. they're worried that we'll take a look and we will go bat blank in opposition to that relationship. president obama on two occasions has said i will release that information but he hasn't done it so far. >> because it may hurt what the

active fiction is about our allies in the region? if we want to have a little be honest session, you know you know that the saudis have this history of funding, if that's the allegation. we know that they have the population there for 9/11. when you start looking at your allies. we love him. he's great. look what he's going to do. he's got a real insurgent element inside his own country. he's got a real division there. there's real oppression there. that goes for a lot of the people we're saying are our friends. where do you stop the analysis? >> i think that's exactly what's going on. in this particular case the allegation in the lawsuit, i've read a great deal about the lawsuit including the testimony of moussaoui, it's interesting how that comes to life. the house of soud has bought peace. they've paid off the clerics within their country making sure that none of this is going to blow back within saudi arabia and that which takes place outside of the country, that's a different matter.

moussaoui comes to light because they say we want you to pay for our billions of losses out of september 11th and out of nowhere moussaoui himself having taken flight lessons here he writes to the judge and says i have testimony i want to offer. the plaintiff lawyer in philadelphia named shawn carter goes out and takes his sworn testimony and the allegations are -- >> for what it's worth. >> the saudis say the guy's a crack pot. the saudis to their benefit, they say the 9/11 commission didn't buy into this. the 9/11 commission members that i've spoken to including bob kerry, john layman they say, not too fast. we didn't thoroughly vet this. bottom line all of this information ought to be publicly released so we can make up our own lines. >> the saudi embassy said moussaoui is a deranged criminal. he's mentally incompetent. his words have no credibility.

let's put that aside for a moment and pretend that he is speaking the truth y. did they do this? why did the saudis want to launch this terrorist attack against the u.s.? >> i don't know that it's so much that they wanted to launch a terror attack as it is they wanted to maintain peace and stability within their own country so to establish, for lack of a better scriptor alisyn, their bonea fides, street cred those payments ended up facilitating transport and training of at least two of the hijackers who were known to have located in southern california and then to have followed anwar al alack can i to virginia. it gets confusing. the bottom line is mr. president, show us those 28 pages. we can handle the truth. >> going back to this shawn carter the attorney -- >> the lawyer. >> the lawyer you spoke to. what was his sense? you had a chance to talk to him. what was his sense? it's not that i'm trying to harp on this. is this a guy that --

>> no it's a great question. >> is it a hail mary pass? what's the motive? >> i said -- a little plug. he'll be on my program tomorrow so i'm going to go over this on my own show. i said is he a crack pot? you questioned him. you went out there. >> what did he say? >> what's the vibe? he said he was calm he was lucid. >> he needs him. what do you think he was going to say? >> i said to him, chris, what would be his motivation? moussaoui is never getting out of the super max facility. >> right. >> why would he want to interject himself? >> he looks at the saudi royal family and he resents the fact that he's in the slammer, they're not. we don't have to buy into that. i want all the data. i want to see the 28 pages. i want to see bill clinton's testimony. i want to see george bush's testimony. i want to see the testimony of vice president cheney. we haven't seen any of that information. yet we think we know everything about september 11th. >> very quickly to chris's

point. if those 28 pains are released and it does implicate the saudis then what happens to our relationship with them? i mean the damage -- >> how much can you implicate it alisyn? if you have real proof you were behind it they wouldn't have the same alliance? >> are you sure. >> in the aftermath of 9/11 you think -- they all know the pages are going to come out. everything gets out. >> 15 years from now. >> the united states would have codied up to saudi arabia if they know they fund the the worst thing that happened to us? >> they might be the best dance part nir inner in that part of the world. we might not trust them. >> even if they tried to kill us? >> they may not have known what the ultimate outcome of september 11th is going to be. >> that's why i don't think you get a straight line. >> let's get the 28 pains andges and re-evaluate re-evaluate. >> hear him weekdays on sirius xm on 9:00 a.m. eastern. bruce jenner's gender identity garnering headlines

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speculation continues to grow around the gender identity of a former olympian. bruce jenner. rumors have been swirling for years, recently intensifying, that jenner is transitioning to

a woman. he's finally happy and transitioning. joining us now model and founder of gender proud, gina rosaro. we cannot confirm here at cnn that bruce jenner is trans sissing. this is "people" magazine reporting. you've had your own journal journey. as a child you knew something department fit. >> growing up in the philippines i knew that my gender assignment was differ and had the opportunity to self-identify. thank god that my family supported me. >> explain that identity of gender assignment. that will be new terminology. >> certainly. i think when we're born there's a gender assignment. people think that gender assignment you're male or female. i was assigned boy at birth. i knew at 3, 5 -- >> physical characteristics didn't fit? >> yes. i needed to go through that journey to match who i really am. >> that journey took a long

time? >> yeah. >> how many years? >> well you know i knew at such a yong age. i'm still in that journey. it's a journey of self-discovery. >> right. so we know that bruce jenner has not publicly acknowledged this or proclaimed anything but we have been seeing a change. he is in the public eye. we have seen the change. what is it that we're not seeing potentially if this is what's happening? >> certainly. i think the most important thing is to understand and respect the notion of self-identification. >> yes. >> bruce jenner will tell his own story when he's ready. as a person of experience the same thing will come out publicly. the most important thing is owning your own story. i think what we see in the media, i think the most important thing to point out is the courage it takes if he is in fact transitioning, the courage it takes to be the person that you are, to say to the world, this is who i am. that takes a lot of courage. >> how does that happen? what does it take? because for you, you said it's been a process.

did it take -- was it an aha moment for you when you finally decided to utter the words out loud to change the way you referred to yourself? how did it happen? >> i knew at such a young age, that in itself was a big opportunity for me to start at a young age and having the support system of my parents. >> they were supportive? >> yes. when i was 15 years old a transgender woman discovered me. i started joining beauty pageants for transgender women in the philippines. that allowed me to fully identify who i am at a young age. i was able to fully express myself. >> you're in a very different situation. in the philippines you have family that's supportive. here in the united states i think we're still trying to understand this right? >> yes. >> the transgender community is present. it is growing more vocal. but the understanding, is it there yet, gina? >> i think the -- what happened last year in 2014 there's so many visibilities. >> sure. >> we need to go deeper into

understanding what this visibility means. i think it's an opportunity for us to talk about whether the opportunities and the difficulties that the transgender is going through. >> give us an idea of some of the challenges? >> certainly the viewolence and discrimination. to understand the intersections of identities and what that means for the difference between what does a transgender person of color is going through, the difficulty this month alone. there's three transgender women alone of color that's been killed. so we need to go deeper and understand what are the factors around that. >> can i just pivot for a second? because you speak of visibility. this is a person that is incredibly visible. he has been part of a reality show. he's part of the kardashian clan. do you think that's going to further complicate all of this if he is, indeed transitioning? >> we won't really know until this happens. visibility is a good thing. >> it is a good thing? >> it is a good thing. it is an opportunity.

>> can it be stifling for the individual if they're trying to find their own voice? >> it is a choice that one person would make to do it publicly. it is difficult on its own to go through that journey, but visibility creates awareness. >> it sure does. >> i think it's allowing people to talk about, you know the discrimination that happens within the 2r57bs gender cumulativekmun -- transgender community. health care. unemployment rate. the suicide rate. >> and the suicide rate sadly is very high. >> nine times. >> why is that? is it because of the struggling to find identity? is it because of the bullying the threat the violence? is it not any one thing? >> transgender don't have a problem, it's society's point of view. for the longest time people think that you're either just male or female. in between that there is a gender spectrum of identities, of the way you express yourselves. there's an lgbt community. it's not just being male or female n. between that there's a

culture of expression gender identity that is fluid, that is continuum, that is beautiful and colorful and what a world that we're going to have if we have that culture. >> imagine this lavern cox from the fantastic show "orange is the new black" is a trail blazer in the transgender community. it's those kinds of images. you speaking out. your organization does a lot of work. the organization is called gender proud. you're doing a lot of work to make sure this acceptance is there. we want to continue to elevate this conversation and we want to hear from you. tweet us and join our conversation or go to facebook.com/newday. gina i'm very very pleased to meet you. i'm very proud of you for sharing your journey with us and thankful to you as well. >> thank you so much. >> mich you're about to meet a hero two times over. can you imagine saving a life? how about saving two livers totally different situations? a man did just that and that's

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time for the good stuff. straight out of buffalo, new york. >> okay. >> an ordinary guy who's done the extraordinary not once but two times. garrett herd is already helping out a neighbor blowing the snow off her sidewalk because he's a good guy. he looks up sees another man in

trouble, shoveling h a heart attack. what does gary do? he runs over rubs freezing snow on the man's face to keep him conscious. doesn't see help coming quickly enough. loads him on to a pickup truck. loads him on to his pickup truck. guess what the man lives. >> he saved your life. >> yes, he did. >> what do you think of that? >> gary's my friend. i'll do anything for gary. >> oh. >> well he should. guess what gary no stranger to saving lives. last year he saved a young girl choking on a lollipop. that's why kids should never have them. as for whether gary thinks he's a hero or not, he gives all credit to a hero of his own. >> you know i just said a prayer and so thanks to you know -- >> he just has an amazing spirit. he's an amazing guy. >> he did the right thing. >> he is an amazing thing. >> because he thinks it's the right thing to do and that's why that plowing man is the good stuff. >> aren't you glad you have a neighbor like that.

>> right? a lot of news. we need gary in our lives, all of us do. a lot of news. let's get to the "newsroom" with ms. carol costello. how are you? >> i'm still hitting that plowing man. we all need a plowing man in our lives. >> oh, wait. >> exactly. have a great weekend, guys. >> carol, what do you mean? >> carol! there are innocence watching this. >> nothing by that at all. i have to start the "newsroom" now. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin this hour with a world