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y on the special tonight at 7:30 eastern time. still much ahead in the "newsroom." it all starts right now with poppy harlow in new york. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hi everyone. you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm poppy harlow in new york. a lot to get to this hour. there are growing signs today of growing military conflicts on two fronts one a showdown from a former cold war foe accused of meddling in ukraine and the other in the middle east. peace talks with vladimir putin appear to be crumbing and crumbing fast as russian backed force unleash a fresh round of shelling in ukraine. our correspondent on the ground heard this gunfire. >> reporter: if you can potentially hear on the other microphone we have set up the sound of shells slamming into the area i was woken by this morning and now as dusk falls,
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we're hearing again. >> that is our nick paton. we'll bring you a live report from him in just a moment. first i want to show you this. just today, force unleashed two dozen air strikes on isis and syria but apparently not enough to push isis out of iraq's second largest city. there may be a recommendation to send ground force into mosul to help in the target there. joining me lieutenant colonel james reece. thanks for joining me. when we talk about isis in iraq it's a bit more of success story for the u.s. and coalition force than isis in syria. what is your assessment whether we need u.s. ground troops not for fighting on the ground but better locating the targets.
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do we need to see that? >> poppy, you know the attack on to or assault on mosul, when that is planned and will kick off is based on the timeline between iraqis and u.s. advisors that are there. because it is such a difficult fight, mosul being a city the second largest city in iraq it will probably behoove us to put air controllers, some other special forces advisors in there for the iraqi teams to insure we get precision fire and reduce our collateral damage. >> isn't that just boots on the ground? isn't it just semantics to say it's something different? b, frankly after heavy air strikes in kobani we were able to drive isis out of kobani. >> first, let me start with kobani. kobani was in a pretty major fight. kobani had most of your
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civilians and non-combatants were leaving or trying to leave and we really had a fight of isis and the kurdish force trying to fight to regain that land. what you have now in mosul, 2 million people that are still there living working, lots of them scared what's going on with isis. when that assault comes, it will be like a battle we were involved in and there's people there still trying to work trying to hide. it will be a very difficult, very long fight. this is not something that will last only a couple days. we have to make sure we do this correctly, precisely and having the precision fire will help the iraqis. >> we have heard reports isis militants are working to get their families out of mosul. does that tell you something about their strategy their defense strategy there? >> if the isis fighters are moving their loved ones out of
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mosul to a safer place, they're anticipating that that assault by the iraqis by the coalition is coming sooner than later. that's what that tells me. again, fighting in the city and i fought in the city most of my life. it's difficult. it's hard for both sides and it's tough to continue to find trust and confidence in the metropolis if you start dropping bombs everywhere and flattening buildings, it's part of the collateral damage but having our capability on the ground helps -- i can't stress enough the precision fires. >> and when it comes to the fight against isis in syria, you have been very vocal saying time and time again we cannot have long term success if there is not a solution to bashir alosa. do you still feel that way? >> i did and said it since we started dropping bombs. the center of gravity in syria and i believe across the border
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in iraq in the whole isis situation is the removal of assad in syria and again, with the uptick now with the jordanians with king abdullah and getting more of the arab key nation states involved in the coalition, they're the ones that have to determine that. we even spoke about the turks. the turks want to get involved but they are looking to us on guidance on what is the standard in syria and how will we do it because the turks have said time and time again they want a no-fly zone in syria. i'm not sure why we keep backing up -- not backing off but why we keep sizing up on the syria issue. again, i do believe it's the center of gravity in this whole issue. >> colonel reece, thank you so much. stand by you will be joining us throughout the hour. also this top story, a tragic story and a lot of people want answers. two parents in arizona making an emotional plea directly to isis.
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kayla mueller's mother and father want isis to contact them immediately and privately about their beloved daughter. the u.s. has doubts about isis' claims a jordanian air strike yesterday killed mueller. they said there is no proof of that. her parents are hopeful she is indeed still alive. they have not received proof of life evidence from her captors. a defense official telling us at cnn the targets struck friday by the royal jordanian air force with the support of u.s. military aircrews was a known isil weapons storage comepound located near iraq and syria. we have seen no indication hostages were held at this location and we continue to review all this information. kayla was kidnapped in syria back in 2013. now, joining us live at kayla's hometown in arizona and michael daily, special correspondent with the"the daily beast." and he just wrote a profile of
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kayla and the wonderful wonderful work she has been doing over in that region. what are we hearing from kayla's parents, the community? how are they reacting? the parents have known since 2013 she's been held hostage but that has been kept very very quiet until yesterday. >> very quiet until yesterday when isis the strange press release we got named her. so at that point the parents felt compelled that they could start talking about their daughter. they haven't said anything before cameras because there is that intense fear and uncertainty. they were told early on that they should not speak out about their daughter. they needed to keep her name out of the headlines. that's what they told speaking directly to the captors in that statement you were referencing, poppy, they kept her name out. so they want those captors to now reach out to them. we have spoken to people close to the family. they tell us the parents are at
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home they're surrounded by spiritual spiritual counsel as well as friends and families. certainly, this is something unimaginable for most parents. they are just trying to cope and wait for some string of truth in all of this, poppy. >> i know you had an opportunity, i believe, to speak to a former teacher of kayla's? >> reporter: a lot of people in this town because of the population of prescott is only 40,000 a lot of people knew this woman. they either saw her growing up saw her walking the streets as an advocate for the people in darfur other social issues, she worked at an hiv clinic a women's shelter. there is a doctor, family friend who wanted to say this about kayla mueller. >> the daughter is one of those folks that looks for the good in everything. in that vein she goes on ahead and tries to look for her god's
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sinner with the way she looks in day-to-day life. >> you can see, poppy, how idealic it looks behind me. this is a charming town. it is a privileged place by world standards and it's something that this young lady wanted to spread throughout the world. she wanted to fight for social justice in places where there is no justice. poppy. >> and stay with me as we bring michael daily into this conversation. that's exactly what you wrote about. you wrote an article in the"the daily beast" saying this is isis' cru elest move yet. leaving the family dangling not showing proof of life or that she is indeed dead is their cruelest move yet. >> you thought when you saw the beheadings and the poor guy being burned alive, how could you do anything worse? to tell a family your daughter's dead and having offered proof in
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all those other instances but offering them no proof of that and leaving them to doubt. i have been in emergency rooms where people are told their kid is dead. the first thing they want to do is see and touch and kiss and these poor people are thousands of miles away and they have no idea. they're hoping she's alive. that's what you want to do. you keep hoping until there is no hope. >> as we see tai by day isis is the worst, the most evil you wright kayla mueller is the best of us the best of america. >> she's a true american. there's little kids at the border of syria in turkey. they know that what an american is is a young lady that comes with them and plays with them and tries to help them recover from the shock of war and ask them to draw your favorite place and they draw their home they lost and tell her about the window that doesn't open and the door that squeaks. that's an american to them. in my mind that's the best of america. >> i'd agree with you.
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>> i know we are learning more details in the early hours here one of them being u.s. and coalition force did attempt a rescue of kayla mueller. >> reporter: this is a rescue we learned about because of james foley. you may remember him. he is an american journalist who eventually was murdered by isis. there was an attempt in july to try to rescue him. it did not work. what we do know is that as u.s. force were there, there were signs that the hostages had been held there. there were scriblings inside the jail there were some hair strands. and a u.s. official tells cnn those hair strands are believed to have been muellers. as recently as last july she was believed to be alive. that is one stitch of hope for this family. from the people we've spoken to poppy, i can tell you, this is a
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family that is positive wants to help. they are very similar in virtue and beliefs as their daughter and they're trying to do the best they can in simply hellish circumstances. >> if you could address for us what we know at this point in time the "new york times" reporting isis was apparently willing to possibly exchange mueller for ransom or another prisoner being held. i know these are unconfirmed reports. what do we know about that? >> reporter: what we can say about that what we are hearing from u.s. law enforcement officials is that yes there was a ransom offer. in that proof of life that you mentioned, there was a ransom demand. they wanted approximately given a currency exchange of approximately 7 million u.s. dollars for kayla mueller. that's what the family had heard. they were given proof of life. but from what we understand there wasn't the money that was exchanged because she was still held hostage.
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that's as far as we can go in our reporting. >> michael do you know at this point in time there were reports they were willing to exchange her for another prisoner? >> i couldn't say for certain. the ransom is pretty definite. early on the family's response if they kidnapped your kid they say i want to know if she's still alive. in that communication i heard the figure was $6.3 million but it might have been $7 million. >> thank you for that reporting. we will take a quick break but when we come back the french president calling peace talks the last ditch effort to end the fight ing ukraine. if we don't find a compromise or lasting peace agreement we know perfectly well what that scenario will be. it has a name. it's called war. [engine revving] [engine revving] [engine revving]
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on the streets of eastern ukraine, more artillery fire between separatist rebels and ukrainian force and today after talks at the highest level there appears to be little if any progress on the diplomatic issue. russian vladimir putin meeting with angela chancellor and france france. they are trying to make out a peace talk that remains in tatters but angela merkel saying she's willing to try and vice president joe biden speaking out while attending a security summit in germany.
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>> given russia's recent history we need to judge it by its deeds not words. don't tell us show us president putin. too many times president putin has promised peace and delivered tanks and troops and weapons. we will continue to provide ukraine with security assistance not to encourage war but to allow ukraine to defend itself. itself. >> nick joining me now. the vice president saying let me be equally clear we do not believe russia has the right to do what it's doing. 224 civilians killed and more than 540 injured in just the last three weeks of january. can you give us a sense of what you are seeing on the ground? >> reporter: going with those u.n. numbers we have seen more in donetsk. that's just a fraction of the
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civilian dead in this area, that morgue overflowing and hard to distinguish between civilian and military. and i'm hearing the pounding of shelling landing increasingly towards the city center. that has been characteristic of today. we were wokened by that noise. it seems to be on the outer skirts but is closer and closer where i'm standing impacting the territory and ukrainian military showing their strength in the division. it's not the backdrop anybody would expect for anything like a peace settlement. we had that lengthy and rather remarkable vision of the heads of europe's largest economies to fly to moscow to beg vladimir putin to sign up to a peace agreement he agreed to last year and coming out empty-handed and the rhetoric we're hearing.
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>> what we're hearing is they will potentially pick these talks back up on sunday. i'm wondering from your perspective on the ground do you think there is any hope vladimir putin will bend or sign anything he will stick to in regards to ukraine? >> reporter: there seems to be a suggestion he's quite happy to sign something that may suggest a change in status of this area. it's clear ukrainian sources don't want to use their territorial integrity. i am standing in a place using the russian time zone and moscow time considering itself close to russia. you see russian flags and changing their internal administration they say and self-declared public to be closer to russia. if you listen to nato and ukrainian -- you can hear those explosions behind me you listen to ukrainian officials they also believe the force being fought here are armed, equipped and
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staffed by the russian military themselves. it's an extraordinary volatile situation here one in which moscow has a strong hand and separatist force moving across a lot of military regardless of political negotiations and i the middle of the ukrainian military and separatists both using heavy military on each other and 5,000 dead so far. this is a war happening on the doorstep of the european union. >> and you're saying this is a war that many world leaders have been hesitant to use. as you're reporting we're hearing the shelling behind you. give us a sense how close that is to you. >> reporter: i have to say we've been coming here for months. i've never heard it this close at the city center and those people living around here also agree this is as close as it's got. it's been all day long we've been hearing this thudding.
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it used to be pretty much contained to the airport, where there are scenes of mast destruction. clearly today, it's been moving much more consistently and we don't know what the precise target is and one official i spoke to said they believe the firing is coming from the southwest, their bid to suggest the ukrainian military and separatists getting hit and would make some since it was the millimeter behind military behind it. we will find out who's caught in these explosions and have been remarkably intense. >> the closest you've heard them over the months you've been reporting. thank you and please stay safe. we appreciate you bringing us this story live in donetsk in ukraine. coming up on the other side what is the latest on nbc's brian williams? the investigation going on right now into what he said about his experience in iraq back in 2003. we'll learn more about some of his other reports including
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in iraq. in a memo to staff at nbc, nbc's president, debra turner said as you would expect we have a team dedicated to gathering the facts to make sense of all that has transpired. we are working at the best next steps. i am joined by host of reliable sources, sources. the first thing that comes to mind is internal investigation not external one. is it a matter of getting something under way. >> it's internal and not independent because the person heading it is richard esposito and works for nbc and people think it is a conflict of interest. on the other hand maybe this will get it done faster. i talked to a soldier last night who was on the chopper that did take the rpg strike. about 15 minutes after i talked to him, the head of nbc called mr. esposito and talked to him. clearly, nbc is trying to fact check the stories brian has told over the years about iraq
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trying to figure out if news reports by cnn and newspapers and stars and stripes and others are all correct and if indeed brian williams has been exaggerating as years goes on. it seems pretty clear he has but nbc wants to fact academic >> is it a question of misremembering. >> innocently. >> right. which happens or is there more than this. did he address staff yesterday? >> he did. in a meeting the 9:30 a.m. editorial meeting at nbc and profusely apologized. he said this is on me and fully responsible for this and sorry for the credibility damage being done not just to him but the whole news division. in matter of 48 hours this became a serious crisis for nbc. brian williams is nbc news his face is nbc news. to have him imperilled will imperil the news division. he has built up his credibility for decades. in theory it doesn't go away
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overnight. if he has lost the trust of viewers, that is hard to recover from. >> i want to talk about other things coming under scrutiny. katrina where he noticed a body floating by in the french quarter and some saying that couldn't be it wasn't filling with water and you talked to someone who said the water was waist high. >> ye. i talked to a colleague that said it would have been possible for a body to be floating down this street. it is an awful thing to think about. it is true there was a lot of death in new orleans during that storm. whether brian williams witnessed it or not is being contended. you have to wonder did he not film it or have a camera or talk about it immediately afterwards? he hasn't. what we have heard is silence since he yesterdays for -- apologized for the rpg situation. my guess is nbc is asking him not to talk and keep the lid on it while they do their own
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investigation. the most notable statement from the president of nbc news was the lack of any explicit support for brian williams. i don't want to be too presumptive, almost like her finger is up in the air checking the wind seeing how this story is being played and meanwhile the rest of the tv industry is openly speculating he will be suspended or even worse. the fact it's even being talked about is a tremendous blow to him. >> we will see you on your show tomorrow morning. 7:00 a.m.? >> 11:00 a.m. eastern time. >> how could i get it wrong. >> he said he tried to tell nbc 10 years ago, and nbc never responded to him. >> coming up a new report isis wants more western hostages. how far will they go to get them? we will discuss next.
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the parents of an american woman taken prisoner by isis has a message for them contact us privately. isis is claiming she was killed this week. and jordan is calling it a pr stunt. her parents are saying they're hopeful she is alive and asking isis to talk to them and isis was at one point saying it was willing to swap mueller for this
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woman. she is a pakistani scientist serving time in texas for trying to kill american soldier ss and fbi agent in afghanistan back in 2008. just to reiterate, there is no proof kayla mueller is dead but a frightening assessment suggesting isis is on the hunt for even more hostages. let me bring back in lieutenant colonel james reece. thank you for joining us colonel. when you look at this report saying isis has drawn out plans to try to go into neighboring country, lebanon, go into jordan bring back westerners and use them as propaganda in these videos what's your reaction? >> isis has used this technique to bring terror to try to raise money and they have used it to bring their plight to life throughout the world. it's very plausible. i do think it's a stretch they
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think they will go in different countries and kidnap someone and bring them across the border and bring them in. that's a bit of a stretch but constantly looking for folks in syria and iraq they could grab. >> there's also this interesting article on "the daily beast" this week that suggests isis some factions are facing internal conflict disagreement over a lot of issues such as what to do with their hostages some saying burning that jordanian pilot was a huge miscallcall miscall-miss miscall-miscalculation turning their own enraging many in
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i just got my free credit score! credit karma. really free credit scores. really free. i have got to update my ink. isis may be facing a lot of troubles but funding doesn't appear to be one of those. this is a group funded and well-dressed and well equipped on the battlefield. as cnn correspondent portrays isis is deceiving. >> reporter: poppy, the photos are fascinate inging isis fighters dressed up infancy military gear camouflage uniforms looking like a disciplined military force. officials i talked to in the
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u.s. government say, don't be fooled. this is part of their propaganda. they want to look like a disciplined military force. they think it's a valuable tool to get them more recruits. the reality is many isis fighters across iraq and syria are living in pretty miserable conditions. many of them still those vicious killers we have seen in other hostage videotapes dressed in black, brandishing their weapons, terrorizing people all across the region. these propaganda videos perhaps somewhat manufactured for that audience of foreign fighters that they hope will come to syria and iraq and fight on their behalf. but it's still very interesting, where do they get the gear? have they stolen it or did they go out and buy it? if they go out and buy it it's an indicator isis still has plenty of money to spend.
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poppy. >> barbara starr, thank you so much. we'll talk about who is really bank rolling isis. joining me michael daly special correspondent for the"the daily beast." and we've talking about how isis has taken over oil fields and incredible wealth. i wonder who they're selling that to on the black market. >> until relatively recently they were selling it to assad, their supposed enemy and smuggling it out. that's been cut back a little bit. the treasury department last week issued an informal report. the previous estimate was isis getting about a million dollars a week from oil. it seems to be down to half have that. >> oil prices have been cut in half. >> plus they have the oil prices going down. according to the treasury department they estimate isis' big income is extortion.
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and the banks in iraq. >> they stole gold and cash. >> the treasury's hope is those are not self-renewing sources of income. you cut back the oil and what they get from the banks, maybe they will feel the squeeze. >> what we have seen most and horrified is these videos of beheadings burning the jordanian pilot alive. is there any financial gain for them in that? >> i don't think youtube gives them advertising revenue. >> in terms of do you think they're successful recruiting funding from supporters that see that? >> they don't seem to -- all the people who come to them generally come to them with $5 they have left. i don't think that their recruits are bringing them money. i don't think there's parts of the world everybody is kicking in like the old days of the ira
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they pass the hat in the bar, i don't think they have that kind of sympathy. they raise their money with oil and shakedowns in their territory. i think when they have those flashy uniforms and they put out those videos what they're looking to get is recruits you know people. >> right. what we have seen is quite a backlash among some who may have supported isis before or at least not stepped in to fight isis now that they've burned alive the jordanian pilot and put the video out there for everyone to see goes directly against the tenets of islam to do that. do you believe this was a miscalculation by isis? >> i would think so unless -- it may just be that their motivation is just to be as bad as they are. they may not really care that much about the audience. they may be like this is who we are and the way we will be. they may be following their own evil instincts and it may not be
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some mastermind all right, this is like advertising, it may be they're bad people. >> i think that is certainly clear. now the fate of this american being held by them is clearly unknown and we haven't heard anything since they claimed she had been killed in this jordanian air strike yesterday. we still just don't no. thank you. appreciate it. coming up next we will talk about something incredibly important that has been across the headlines for the past week. measles and vaccines. actress amanda peet speaking out passionately why she believes every parent should vaccinate their children. prov a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. le
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make that key decision when her first child was born. i speak movement and a lot of my friends weren't vaccinating and were bewildered as to why i was considering vaccinating and my brother-in-law is an infectious diseases pediatric doctor in philadelphia and he suggested that i try to get out there and help to disseminate information about the data that's out there on vaccine safety. so i said yes. the tides have started to turn thankfully but at the time it was -- you know i got a lot of hate male and i lost a couple of friends and -- really. it was -- yeah. yeah. >> you said you were torn. when you were having your first child, you were torn. what ultimately made you decide
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yes, i am vaccinating my children? >> well look we really live in cynical times and we're constantly being come barrededombarded about notices about safety recalls and it's hard to have faith in the regulatory agencies in our government. but i think to suggest that the cdc, the world health organization unicef the american academy of pediatrics, just to name a few, are in a massive conspiracy to hide the dangers of a vaccine is a bewildering leap and builds the question who do you trust about children's health if not from any of those organizations. >> you said back in 2008 actually in an interview, that the media often gives celebrities and actors more authority on this than experts.
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i wonder if you think that is still a problem. >> yeah. i mean science isn't sexy. and it's -- and certainly epidemiology isn't sexy. it's data and it's impersonal. i think they are still struggling with how to help people who are still confused and still afraid. i mean i just gave -- my son henry is just about 9 weeks old and i just gave him his first shots. it's awful. it's awful. you have to hold them down it's a huge needle he's tiny. i don't understand exactly what the contents are inside the needle because i'm not -- i'm not a doctor. i'm not a me comfort.
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strengthen the king of jordan's determination to fight isis. the jordanian government released photos, sleeves rolled up and ready to plot jordan's revenge. king abdullah is very comfortable playing the role of commander. our atika shubert is joining us. you've been there all week long covering this. has the killing in the horrific manner of this jordanian pilot being burnt alive, do you see that strengthening king abdullah inside of jordan in terms of really going hard to combat isis? >> reporter: well it certainly has for now. we've seen demonstrations in support of king abdullah. everywhere you go here you see posters, not only of muath al kaseasbeh, the jordanian pilot so brutally murdered but also king abdullah. all of that imagery has been
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used to take the fight home to isis. but that's now. for later on down the line it's going to be much more trickier politically. this is why it's important for him to visit the tribes in the region to make sure that he has their backing and support, not just now but for the long term as well. >> why is that atika, that it's going to be harder longer term? >> reporter: the longer the war drags on and the toll it takes particularly on those who have sons serving in the military. when kaseasbeh was behind enemy lines, they were full of doubt, maybe this is not our war. maybe we should pull out. now they are saying go in and annihilate isis. so that is the sentiment now. but if this continues, if we have more downed pilots that could change. >> well it's interesting, too, because we got this announcement
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this morning coming from the uae which had stopped air strikes against isis back in december because it was very worried about the ability for search and rescue to rescue say, a downed pilot from their force. now they have started them back up. they are sending f-16s to jordan joining in this. how significant is that? >> reporter: it is quite significant. it's clearly a show of solidarity. they are sending in an entire squadron of f-16 fighters here to show that they will literally fly alongside jordanian fighter jets as they hit the targets in syria. it's very significant that one, they have resumed flights and, also that they are flying together with jordan. it under scores the fact that jordan sees itself in the spearhead in the war against isis. >> atika, stand by. we'll have much more of this in
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the next hour of "newsroom." here in the cnn "newsroom," i'm poppy harlow. a handful of people living right here in the united states accused of sending money and supplies to active terrorists inside of iraq and syria. i'm talking about supplies like u.s. military uniforms boots, tactical gear. the u.s. justice department saying six suspects in moat tal were arrested across different states. all six immigrated from bosnia. three are nationalized u.s. citizens. two suspects planned to join terrorists in battle on the ground. five suspects arrested in the u.s. one athemof them arrested overseas. meanwhile, the u.s. is trying to stop isis from recruiting teenagers right here on our u.s. soil. pamela brown spoke with the head of the