by. we'll have much more of this in the next hour of "newsroom." here in the cnn "newsroom," i'm poppy harlow. a handful of people living right here in the united states accused of sending money and supplies to active terrorists inside of iraq and syria. i'm talking about supplies like u.s. military uniforms boots, tactical gear. the u.s. justice department saying six suspects in moat tal were arrested across different states. all six immigrated from bosnia. three are nationalized u.s. citizens. two suspects planned to join terrorists in battle on the ground. five suspects arrested in the u.s. one athemof them arrested overseas. meanwhile, the u.s. is trying to stop isis from recruiting teenagers right here on our u.s. soil. pamela brown spoke with the head of the fbi's counterterrorism

division. >> have you seen people in the u.s. coordinating to launch an attack? >> we have seen individuals collaborative course. >> in the u.s.? >> yes. >> so are there isis cells in the u.s.? >> there are individuals who have been in communication with groups like isil yes. >> reporter: that are living in the u.s. right now? >> correct. >> pamela brown with that exclusive interview. let's talk about it with bob baer and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. tom, let me begin with you. we heard what the head of counterterrorism at the fbi clearly told our pamela brown. he said a lot more about concerns about teens as young as 15 getting recruited by isis. how does the fbi fight this? >> they are doing what they can. they are trying to do as much outreach in the communities as they can so people will report if they see somebody's social

media posting indicating that they want to join the fight or send money or resources to isis to support them in the fight. and, you know so far they have been very successful but as assistant director steinbach mentioned, they are not positive. they know every single person involved. the fbi director a couple of weeks ago publicly stated the fbi has over 1,000 counterterrorism investigations ongoing right now. they are all at different stages of

one of them operating overseas. concerned that they were and obviously had enough of a belief that trying to fund and work with terror cells. what's your reaction to that? >> poppy, let's not forget history here. al qaeda got its start in the form of yougugoslavia. it found its roots there. and there are a lot of bosnian muslims that are true believers so they think they are justified to going to fight in iraq or syria. so i think that these people have been rolled up. it was a serious threat. remember poppy, these people just as easily turn on targets in the united states. what is fortunate for the fbi,

they are collecting data from facebook and twitter and the rest of it and start to focus in on these people but what scares the fbi, as law enforcement has told me it's the people that they don't know about the true lone wolves that don't get on the internet and express their beliefs. >> there's also something to be said right, bob, for people that are friends or -- and, you know, in this country together working and operating together. are you saying that there should be more of a concern and focus on bosnia right now or are you saying look these are six people with beliefs that came from the same place that we're working together? because there's a distinction there. >> i think the threat is coming from everywhere. i mean look at france. that slipped through the cracks and because they didn't have the coverage of every suspect that could potentially do violence they couldn't follow all of them. the fbi has the same problem. it's triaging who is the same

threat and who is popping off. it's a matter of hauling these people in one by one and continuing to monitor. but, you know my feeling is that one day, someone is going to get through the net. >> tom fuentes, to you. when we talk about the horrific attack in paris, you know the brothers there as well as coulibaly. he was monitored for a long time and then they stopped monitoring them and clearly, clearly, that fell through the cracks. do you have concerns that some of the folks being monitored here in the united states could know that they are being monitored and then stop talking about what they are still clearly planning to do? >> oh absolutely. and i think a lot of people think they are being monitored even when they are not. that's the other -- fortunately, you hope that they are all worried about that. we have 1.1 million people on our terror watch list here in the u.s. >> wow. >> there are not enough law

enforcement officers. the entire united states has 800,000 law enforcement officers. so that's not even the ability to one on one follow a million people. that's why, as bob mentioned, they have the triage and look at who is the biggest threat and when they stop looking at one crew they have to start looking at others when they could redeploy the resources. if they have enough evidence to make the arrests, they make it begin the prosecution and that is six people less that they have to follow around and monitor. >> that is an incredible number. 1.1 million on that list. bob baer and tom fuentes, thank you. >> thank you. two parents of kayla mueller are asking isis to contact them about their daughter. the u.s. has major doubts that

she was hurt in the jordanian air strikes. they have received no proof of life evidence from their captors. "the target struck friday by the royal jordanian air force with the support of u.s. military air crews was a known isil weapons storage compound located near raqqa, syria. we have seen no indications that hostages were being held at this location. we continue to review and evaluate all information." kayla has been held since 2013. joining us to discuss this, kyung lah is joining us from mueller's home town in prescott arizona. i know this is a very tight-knit community. what are they saying? >> a very small community. about 40,000 people who live here. a lot of people know her. there was a woman who walked by

just a short time ago and she said wow, feels like the war is here. and in many ways for the people who live here it does appear that the war has dropped on their front doorstep because this woman is one of their own and one of their prized possessions. it's a woman who many of them saw grow up walk the streets here in this town fighting for social justice, first as a saved our campaign and then as a college student trying to fight for people who were underprivileged. she worked at a homeless shelter. she worked at a woman's shelter, at an hiv clinic. it is the underserved that she always fought for when she traveled abroad. it was syria that captured her heart and it's there, poppy, that she really hoped to make a difference. she knew the risks, friends tell us. she understood the cost and, despite that she wanted to remain there, mainly because of the refugees. >> the best of us as our michael daly has been saying the best you can be. let me ask you, atika, jordan is

vehemently denying this calling this a pr stunt by isis and saying in no way did their air strikes kill kayla mueller. any news on that front? >> reporter: well poppy, the jordanian government says it is investigating this. they are trying to find out more information on the ground. but, remember, the jordanian government has been dealing with isis for the last month. they now know that the jordanian pilot was killed about a month ago. isis has a track record of lying, particularly about hostages and prisoners they have. for them this doesn't make any sense. why would she be held alone in a building where nobody else was killed or even injured. >> right. >> and how could isis identify specific jordanian planes in the air? it just doesn't added a up, they

say. >> kyung, we're learning that u.s. forces did try to rescue her. >> they did try to rescue her in july. there was quite a bit of press about james foley and the attempted rescue of him. he is the journalist that forces tried to rescue. that rescue did not happen. he was later murdered by isis. but in that rescue what u.s. forces did find, according to a law enforcement official speaking to cnn, there was scribblings inside of a jail that appeared to be from the hostages. they also found hair strands and those hair strands are believed to be mueller's as recently as of last july this family was learning that their daughter was still alive. and you're talking about all of those potential lies that are out there, that u.s. authorities are really not sure and saying that this is unconfirmed, that picture. you can imagine what's happening to this family poppy.

they remain private. they also remain surrounded by friends, family and spiritual advisers. >> and the u.s. cautioning they have no evidence that she has been killed. thank you, kyung lah and atika shubert. coming up we're learning that she's known as the lady of isis. details, next. ready for another reason to switch to t-mobile?, how about getting america's best unlimited 4g lte family plan. get 2 lines of unlimited 4g lte data... for just a hundred bucks a month with any smartphone, including the samsung galaxy note 4 for zero down. add more family members for just $40 bucks a pop. think the other guys have a family plan like this? think again! finally, it's full speed 4g lte data that really is unlimited.

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all right. breaking news in to cnn from our brian stelter. talking about embattled nbc

anchor brian williams. what can you tell us? >> brian williams has decided to step aside from his "nbc nightly news" chair for the next several days. this is something that comes less than three days after questions were first raised and he first apologized about his accounting of an iraq war mission in 2003. he said at one point, eight days ago on his "nightly news" broadcast that the helicopter he was in was hit by an rpg, that it was forced out of the sky. he had a very harrowing account of that. he was not on that helicopter and he was on another helicopter. then there were questions about other reports of his as well including reports from hurricane katrina. he says he's stepping aside to let nbc's investigation take place. >> and reading part of the statement that you obtained saying that it has become painfully apparent to me that i am too much a part of the news due to my actions. do we know if this decision to

step aside temporarily is because of the internal investigation at nbc? >> well what i'm wondering is if they've found something already that has led them to do this. i'm told no that he decided to do this before he learned about the investigation. producers have been reaching out to some of the soldiers involved, trying to re-report the story that brian williams has told. apparently, broinian williams decided on his own to do this before he could be pushed. you expect the chair of the tv division to ask him to step aside but apparently he's doing this before being asked. >> i was going to ask you that. any evidence that the management of nbc suggested this to him? >> obviously that's going to be the thought that people come away with. i was hearing rumors about a suspension a couple of hours ago but it's very clear in this statement that he's taking himself off the daily broadcast

for the next several days. lester holt will be filling in. and then the statement ends with the following. upon my return, i will continue my career-long effort to be worthy of the trust of those who have placed their trust in us. he says i will be back and i'll regain your trust. >> brian williams is the face of "nbc nightly news." he's someone that everyone has trusted. the promos that they have been running, the name and the face that you trust. nbc has to make the calculation, right about whether keeping him in that chair hurts the overall brand long term. what is your assessment on that? >> that's exactly what they are trying to figure out. what i'm hearing from nbc is silence right now because nobody knows that whether this does long-term damage. it will be measured through the ratings and cue scores which is the audience's appeal of what

they are watching. he's an anchor that many anchors in local markets all across the country aspire to be. >> yes. >> he's someone who is an inspirational figure for many television anchors and also the longest serving anchor and the highest rated. he gets 10 million viewers most nights. and the competitors have only been in the chair for three years and several months. he's the senior-most figure. you don't ever want to compare him to walterl walter k ochl nk nk konkrite. >> doesn't his reputation stand for something? >> that's what i'm hearing from people who stand by him and support him. you're absolutely right. the graphic on the screen is temporary and not a permanent change. i probably don't have room to fit it in. he's only saying he's stepping aside for the next several days

but even he's not able to put a time horizon on it because we don't know how long the investigation will take and how long the attention in the press is going to last either. >> as a media reporter brian, what does brian williams have to do when he comes back? >> you can imagine a rather long and thoughtful and in depth interview and conversation he does to explain all of the discrepancies that exist and also talking to some of the soldier who is are involved here. because some are satisfied by his apology and some weren't. some would like to talk to him. i can imagine nbc setting something like that up. after all, they will have to see if the audience still trusts him after this investigation. >> brian stelter, stand by. much more on this breaking news in just a moment. thanks to angie's list now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles.

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i said i was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by rpg fire. instead, i was following in another aircraft. we all spent two harrowing nights in a sandstorm. this was a bungled attempt by me to thank one special veteran and, by extension, our brave men and women, veterans everywhere those who have served while i did not, i hope they know they have my greatest respect and also now my apology. >> all right. that is the apology on his broadcast wednesday night from nbc anchor brian williams. williams is temporarily taking himself off his own broadcast. his statement just in to us in full. this is personal note from brian williams. "in the midst of a career spent covering and consuming news it has become painfully apparent to me that i am presently taking up

too much of the news. as managing editor of "nbc nightly news," i have decided to take myself off of my daily broadcast and lester holt has kindly agreed to sit in for me. upon my return i will continue my career-long effort to be worthy of the trust of those who place their trust in." brian stelter is joining us. i know that nbc has been in contact with you. >> they have been in day-long meetings on thursday and especially friday and then, again, they are continuing the conversations today about how damaging this is to brian williams and how he and the network can recover. yesterday morning, there was a network-wide editorial meeting and brian williams came to it yesterday and wanted to apologize to the staff. he said this is on him, it's his responsibility for what happened and wanted to apologize because he knows that the credibility of the network has been damaged as women as his own credibility.

>> this all stems from an account over the year of 2003 when he was on a mission in iraq in a chinook helicopter saying initially it was struck by an rpg and then later saying it was the one in front of us struck not ours. maintaining, though throughout that this was an innocent mistake and maintains that position now. >> yes. he made that clear on wednesday in his apology. some people have called this a fish fish fishtail. it's a story that gets exaggerated with time. sometimes that's okay. people have fun recounting stories like that. even veterans say they have combat stories that grow bigger over time. but that's when they are telling them with friends over a beer. journalists should be held to a different standard. what we witness and remember must be taken seriously and must be truth. the idea that he was exaggerating his story over time

is disturbing and why he was exaggerating it is even more disturbing. was he trying to put himself in the center of the action? that's what his critics are saying. again, he says it's an independent innocent mistake that was made. >> you brought up, brian, sort of this vulture culture that we live in. some are saying, we're making too much of this. >> and then some other story will come along and then outrage and that person will be publicly tried. i think there's some truth to that. the reason why journalists focus intensely when one journalist is scrutinized, it goes to the credibility of the whole profession. everyone takes a hit when one journalist falls. especially true in media where credibility and trust is what we go off, what we stand for. >> i understand there have been some reports of members of the military being upset about this. >> yes. >> because they go through this

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president obama set off a bit of a political storm on thursday morning by comparing current isis brutality to the christian crusades and brutality hundreds of years ago. here's what he said at the national prayer breakfast in washington. >> men has been grappling with these questions throughout history. unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. in our home country, slavery all too often was justified in the name of christ. >> all right. well politicians like louisiana governor bobby jindal immediately criticizing the

president saying, "the medieval christian threat is under control, mr. president. please deal with the radical islamic threat today." joining me is a muslim scholar and father edward beck. there's something to be said for the timing. the president made these comments two day after the video was released showing the jordanian pilot alive, somewhat thought was beyond the evil of isis' capability. doctor, do you think the timing played a role here in the political firestorm that erupted? >> i was quite surprised by the president's remarks. of course he's free to make an address in the setting like that. what concerns me is not just in the prayer breakfast but with fareed zakaria he uses the word medieval frequently. isis has purely totalitarian ambition and characteristics.

this is a problem with the contemporary world and i want him to engage in temporary problems even though there's a place for historical contents. >> father beck he's been incredibly careful not to use labels like radical islam and you've seen some politicians, senator kelly ayotte saying we need to define our enemy. we need to say what it is. others are saying look this is nothing to do with islam. where do you fall on that? some people of certain religions can do horrific things that have happened in christianity in the past. >> i agree with what he's saying. he's saying the war is not with islam. it's with extremism. it's existed in many religions. i think he's trying to focus the conversation -- you have 1.6 million muslims. you can't categorize them with the same brush. i think he's saying be very

careful about extremism not religion. >> but that's not what he said. >> he's saying you can't categorize muslims in this way. >> when you listen to this sound bite and he says let us not get on our high horse, when you look back you know this happened before -- >> right. extremism in all religion have acted violently. >> exactly. >> the history of christianity with the crusades in the i can kwi significance which he brought up is not exactly stellar. >> are you concerned with what dr. ahmed was saying -- >> 15% of the white males were part of the kkk. 15% of the white males. and they used the bible as justification for it. the bible is used for justification by christians. all of our traditions have been marred in some way and co-opted by extremists.

>> dr. ahmed, some say there was no much thing as radical islam. there is only one islam but there are radical islams. you say you disagree with that assessment. >> i'm an observing muslim in every sense. and i would say that this denial of the existence of radical islam a denial that our administration appears to endorse and that religious kmen state are toscommentators is standing by i agree with father back the vast numbers of muslims do not following islamism but there can be no islamism without islam. islam is a political totalitarian ideology that masquerades my faith. it's absolutely connected to islam but not within the body of the religion. it does not exist without any relationship. it's a parasitic connection. it's a relationship that muslim

states and patrons have nurtured for their own purposes. >> and you're saying that they are the ones that need to fight against it? >> they are finding that the vipir that they nurture is coming back to bite them. >> our christiane amanpour had someone on who said it did not motivate them. >> absolutely. the number one targets of islam i can violence are muslims and all islamists identify as muslims. and isis is absolutely about a kind of power structure, about totalitarian power structure. they use religion to pursue it. but to say it's disconnected from muslim is not accurate. and we are not doing this in a classroom. we're also our political leaders to make that acknowledgement. that's a very different debate.

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health officials warning the measles outbreak could get worse. we're talking about 16 states where there are infections. also in washington, d.c.. the latest is in nevada and delaware. also alarming five infants, all under the age of 1, have tested positive for the measles disease and they were at a nearby -- a daycare near chicago. many more children have been exposed. i want to bring in dr. anthony fauci director of the national institute of allergy and

infectious diseases. thank you for joining me doctor. it's pretty infuriating, i think, to a lot of people that this is happening with a disease that was all but gone in 2000. >> right. that's true. that's one of the frustrating aspects of it is is that you have a highly contagious infectious disease and a vaccine that's one of the most effective vaccines of all the vaccines we have against infections and has been shown to be really quite safe and yet, because for one reason or another, parents are not vaccinating children in certain areas and in certain groups. we're now seeing the resurgence of a potentially serious disease where there have vulnerable people. you mentioned the children in the daycare center. >> right. >> those are children who were too young to be vaccinated. so we go from birth to 1-year-old and you don't get vaccinated, you get vaccinated at 12 months to 15 months and

then a second one at 4 years. so all of those children are vulnerable to measles outbreaks. >> if you're not vaccinated you have a 90% chance of getting measles if you're exposed to it. it lives in the air and is not hard to catch at all. it makes me wonder, what do you tell to working parents who don't have the luxury to stay home with their children and they are afraid to take them to the daycare center? >> well we're continuing to try to get the mess averageage that the reasons for not vaccinated not all but the relative risk benefit of a vaccine versus the risk of a disease that you can get not only for your individual child but also for the responsibility that you have to society to protect those who cannot be vaccinated like infants from birth to is year and children with leukemia and other diseases that make them

more susceptible. we've got to get that mess average across more clearly. there will be some no matter what you say, will feel like they have the right not to vaccinate their children but now state and local health authorities, i believe, are looking at this in a much more well-defined way about these exemptions that are given for philosophical or personal reasons. >> right. >> we're hearing a lot about people relooking at how they are going to handle those exemptions. >> and obviously there are some medical em exemptions. do you think the federal government should mandate these vaccines for all children well enough to get them? and, if not, what about on the state level? there's proposed legislation in california that would mandate this. >> traditionally, the federal government doesn't mandate those types of things. they put out the strong recommendations that we see with

the cdc. traditionally, the mandating and restrictions about getting into schools have been at the local and state level. >> so should states mandate it? >> some states do. they put restrictions. obviously, as you mentioned correctly, that there are valid reasons particularly medical reasons not to get vaccinated. but many states mandate a significant restriction on for example getting into school. you can't mandate it in a way that you punish people for it but you could put restrictions on it. that has to be at the state level. >> i guess i'm wondering obviously the state of california has 13,592 kin ger kindergartner students that are not vaccinated. >> certainly we need to get the message out. i think we can get many of the parents who feel now for reasons that really are not quite valid

at all for not vaccinating their children that they are potentially doing harm to their own children but also they are relinquishing a societal responsibility for others. i feel that if we can get that message across you're not going to change everyone's mind but i think you can win over some of the people who, for a reason now that they see is -- i think what is going on right now in society, the possibility of a measles outbreak that's broad, much broader than it is now, i think it's going to be a wake-up call to a lot of parents. >> dr. anthony fauci, an authoritative voice on this topic, i hope everyone is listening to you, the facts and not the myths. >> good to be with you, poppy. we're learning that bruce jenner has been involved in a fatal car crash in malibu california. nischelle turner is on the phone

with me from los angeles. what do we know about this nischelle? >> well not a lot poppy. this just happened about an hour and a half ago in malibu california. what we do know is that bruce jenner was an occupant in one of three cars that was involved in a crash. one of the cars did have someone that was killed in it. we don't know about any other injuries. we know that there were other injuries. we don't know if bruce jenner was injured or not. i have seen some photos of the scene where it does look like he is standing up besides one of the vehicles but we don't know beyond that what kind of injuries were involved. we don't even know if he was driving the car. police won't say much more than he was on occupant in the car. but we do know one person has died as a result of this crash and we also know that for a time period -- and i haven't heard

yet, pa if pacific coast highway has been reopened. that's one of the major thoroughfares here in california. but again, we know that bruce jenner was the occupant in the car. we don't know anything further than that. >> i know that the authorities are saying that one person died. are they saying definitively that it was not bruce jenner that died? >> well it wasn't bruce jenner poppy. i have seen photos of bruce since the accident standing out at the scene standing up by one of the cars there at the scene. it was not him. no. we do know that. he was one of the occupants in the car but, no he was not the person that was killed. >> and nischelle, any indication on what may have caused the accident? >> no. just like i said not a lot of information. they are in the middle of this investigation because it happened around 12:15. it's about 5 minutes to 2:00 here in l.a.

especially when there's a fatal accident, they are going to take several hours to meticulously figure out what exactly happened here. it could be a while before we get information on what exactly happened during this wreck. >> and nischelle turner obviously this is the early stages of this that gets a lot of attention when you're talking about a name like bruce jenner but obviously someone else has perished in this. are the police releasing any of the names of the people involved in this accident? >> not at this time. the investigation is still early on and this just happened. when there's a fatality in a crash like this they do have to go through their procedures notify family and go through those chamnnels before they release any information like a name to the media. chances are they are going through that process right now, poppy before they decide to do

anything. and there are still a lot of things that we have to figure out. was the person you know, by themselves in the car, were they with someone else? like i said i have seen some pictures from the scene and it does look like there were some people standing around but i don't know if they were involved as well. bruce jenner does live in malibu. i don't know if he was coming or going. there's still a lot to figure out here. like we said this just happened within the last hour and a half and they are really trying to figure things out here. >> nischelle turner appreciate the reporting, as always. let us know when you get an update on that. wishing the best for everyone else involved in that accident. nischelle turner thank you so much. quick break. we're back in a moment.

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