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breaking news. nbc brian williams is taking a short break amid a growing couldn't verse see over his trustworthiness. if he said things that were fact factual or not. he claimed to be in a military helicopter that was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. he later backtracked saying that he was on a different helicopter trailing behind the chopper that got hit. let me read you williams' note that he sent to staff today. it says, "in the midst of a career spent covering and consuming news it has become painfully apparent to me that i am presently too much of a part of the news due to my actions. i have decided to take myself off my daily broadcast for the next several days and lester holt will take over for me while we deal with this issue. upon my return i will continue my career-long effort to be

worthy of the trust of those who place their trust in us." joining me is brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." what are you hearing? >> well i think the conversation that is happening between the rank and file and the rivals, okay he's stepping aside for a bit. will he ever come back? >> he says he will. >> he says he will. when he comes back he'll regain the trust of his audience. you can imagine situations like this sometimes do end with the person not coming back to work. and i don't just mean in television and journalism but in other fields as well. the conversation that happened yesterday in the whole tv business was, can he survive this? now the conversation is will he ever come back now that he's stepping aside for a short time. >> do we know if this was at all urged or nudged -- if he was nudged by nbc to do this? >> this is the hard part poppy, because you've got to imagine that he was.

you've got to imagine that he was advised or urged to step aside and yet nbc on the record is officially saying that this was his doing, a decision that he reached earlier today and that it was not a result of any pushing or prodding by the network. being realistic here you know maybe he hears the call before it's about to happen. i've got to imagine that there were deliberations involving his boss about this. they were in a day-long meeting yesterday his bosses trying to do damage control. they said this is one of the most smart things that nbc has done in three days. >> proactive. >> that's right. it gives nbc a bit of a breathing room to deal with this. >> so all right there was some media pundits, other journalists writing about this. you have one excerpt that you'd like to read. >> yes. this is a column in "the new york times" for tomorrow morning. she said this was a bomb that had been ticking for a while.

nbc executives were warned a year ago that he was talking about this and puffing himself up. sometimes to the point where it was a joke in the news division. she goes on to say that the constant media big shots, no one around to pull his chain when he got too over the top, as one nbc reporter put it. the headline on her column is anchor's away. and that's the kind of commentary that is taking a bad situation and making it worse for brian williams. >> it's damning but is it too soon for things like this to come out when nbc is just a day and a half into its investigation? >> you have the internal investigation going on and other people digging through archives at the same time. >> right. >> other journalists and frankly, in some cases, some rivals of brian williams or some detractors of brian williams. if you're in the business as long as brian william has been some people may not like you and maybe they want to see you fall. >> right. >> at the same time a lot of

people love him, who admire him and want to see him get through this. >> 10 million viewers each night on nbc. thank you for that report, brian stelter. i want to bring the breaking news that bruce jenner was involved in a fatal car crash. someone involved in this car accident did die. we're told not bruce jenner. let me bring in sergeant matthew dunn. thank you for being with us. what can you tell us about this accident? >> i can tell you there's been a three-vehicle traffic accident that occurred today shortly after noon in the city of mall u on pacific coast highway. it involves one fatality. and i don't -- i do not have the exact particulars of that accident but pacific coast highway has remained closed for that investigation and will remanyre remained closed for four to five

hours. >> that's a huge throughway. i know that one person involved in this accident we don't know who has died we're told by nischelle turner that it is not bruce jenner. can you confirm that? do you know of any other injuries? >> my understanding is that mr. jenner was at the scene and was possibly an occupant of one of the vehicles. i know of no other injuries. >> so we're not sure at this point in time whether anyone else was injured. i don't know -- we don't have any photos of the accident. i don't know sergeant, if you have seen any. can you give us an idea of how severe it is? obviously there is one fatality. >> it is an ongoing investigation. the sheriff's department will conduct a very thorough investigation because it was a fatality and i do not have any information as to how the traffic accident occurred.

>> pacific coast highway will be closed down four to five hours in that section and one fatality in this tragic car accident. much more on that as we continue and much more on nbc news anchor brian williams taking himself off his broadcast for a couple of days. much more on that when we return. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything.

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anchor brian williams taking a short leave from his evening newscast amid a growing controversy over his trustworthiness. williams has apologized for telling a false war story in which he claimed to be in a military helicopter hit by a grenade. later he backtracked saying he was in a different helicopter behind the chopper that got hit. he said he misremembered, basically. let's bring in brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." he takes a move here ahead of nbc saying i need to step back for a while. he says i will be back. >> he will be away for several days and lester holt will be filling in. lester holt on tonight will have a long number of days to be working and the question is how many. how many days will he be

stepping away and will it turn up more troubling allegations and will outside journalists who are now pouring over brian williams' reports about other big news stories, like hurricane katrina, opportunity up any more damaging information that just make it is impossible for him to come back to work? >> let's bring into the conversation. frank sesno is joining us on the phone. also robert thompson center for media studies at syracuse university. frank, let me begin with you. you are speaking about this earlier saying some are questioning whether brian williams was too big to fail basically, and whether or not an internal investigation is the right move. what is your take given that he himself is stepping aside temporarily. >> i think this is a very smart thing for him to do and whether he's done it or has been pushed to do it he does it in his name. there's a degree of grace to it. i think that brian is quite right. what is going to happen over the

next several days this will continue to take on a dynamic all of its own and whether it's something in the internal investigation or unforeseen blocker comes up that another journalist comes up with, that's going to matter for brian and determine whether he's able to come back at all or not. these things take on a dynamic on all their own. dan rather was not too big to fail. these crises scandals, tend to want to have a dynamic and there's a careful balance that nbc has to make. they have to balance their loyalty to brian and balance out his ability to pull off a big audience and even most importantly in my view anyway they have to figure out how their own institutional credibility is on the line here. >> robert thompson to you, do you believe that the internal investigation launched by nbc yesterday is the right way to go? >> i think it makes sense to

have an internal investigation and it will be interesting to see how that turns up. nbc had all of the data they needed wednesday night when brian williams made that apology on wenzdnesday night that he had misremembered this story, they should have done the leave of absence as opposed to waiting until uncomfortable thursday and friday when williams delivered the news and now he's apparently taken himself out. this demonstrates in this era where decisions need to be made on a second by second basis, this decision would have been an easy one to make 48 hours ago in spite of the fact that i know brian williams is the golden goose at nbc news but, in the end, i think wednesday night anybody rationally could have said this is a decision that ought to be made and it ought to

be made then as opposed to today. >> i want to get your take on what maureen dowd an opinion columnist has just written for "the times." this was a bomb that had been ticking for a while. nbc executives were warned a year ago that brian william was constantly inflating his biography. they were flummoxed over why the leading network anchor felt that he needed to buff himself up sometimes to the point where it was a joke to the news division but the caustic media big shots who once roamed the land were gone and there was no one around to pull his chain when he got too over-the-top, as one nbc reporter put it." i wonder if it's too soon to come out with something like that? >> no i don't. i think maureen puts her finger

on an important thing. part of it is our culture and brian, in many ways is the personification of it. he's out there and you could ask why, why is the nightly news anchor on 30 rock and why is he sitting with jay leno and david letterman and for all intents and purposes leading life as a double stand-up comic. we have gone to a place in our news environment and maureen knows this too, because she's something of a celebrity in her own right, when the lines get so blurred as brian has done -- and by the way, let me say, i think he's a very -- has been a very strong journalist. he has a strong track record. there are egos in this business. i think we all know that. but it would appear that his has been outsized and fed by all these other appearances and

personalities that he's taking on. that becomes dangerous because then your story can become bigger than the story you're supposed to cover. >> correct. and we are not the story, as journalists. our subjects are the story. brian stelter increasingly, though, through social media, through the changing forms of media and communication, journalists have increasingly for good or for bad, become a much more of who they are to the public and that is what brian williams said. people like him because he's funny, he's jovial they see who he is not the news anchor. >> and a way to attract younger viewers. of the 10 million people who watch the "nbc nightly news," only 10% are in that graphic of younger viewers. but it's worth noting that it

was letterman's show in 2013 where brian williams told the most exaggerated story yet of the rpg that did not affect his helicopter. it was on a late-night talk show and maybe that's a more casual forum where you may exaggerate news stories. he eventually told the story on his newscast. there have been predictions online that maybe he won't be able to do those late-night shows, those other more casual forums. he renewed his contract two months ago. >> in december for five years. >> nbc made a bet on him for the rest of the decade. this must make it even harder for them now to have to deal with. >> brian stelter, brian sesno, and mr. thompson thank you for your perspective. we're going to take a quick break. we're back in a moment. all your unused data and if you switch now,

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the mother and father of kayla mueller tell them to get in touch with them and do it privately. they are not letting go of hope that their daughter is still alive despite the extremist group's claim saying that she died. you told us that you treated kayla as your guest. as your guest, her safety and well-being remains your responsibility. isis hasn't proved that she is dead with any evidence. a jordanian government spokesperson says it's clearly a

pr stunt. >> to my knowledge, we have targeted ammunition and training camps for terrorists. so that will tell you that it will be difficult for us to believe or accept the fact that an american lady hostage was there. what we know about this terrorist organization is that they are liars when it comes to these things. >> already. joining me now, croppedorrespondent kyung lah joining us from her hometown of prescott, arizona. i understand that her family is not speaking to the media, understandably. i do see her statement. i wonder what people there in the community are saying about this woman? >> reporter: well they feel that the war has essentially landed on their front doorstep because this is a woman who many people knew. we went and got coffee down the street and the person who took our order went to high school with her.

she fought for social justice at the grassroots level. she worked at a local clinic for hiv patients, she worked at a woman's shelter. she's known by the christian community by someone who wants to improve life for the underserved. that's something that she took with her around the world. whether she went to israel palestinian or where she found her calling. we spoke with a college professor, someone who thought that she might follow her to africa to do some good work but instead she chose syria. we spoke by telephone with this professor and here's what she told us. >> no it doesn't break my heart. i celebrate her choices because she did what she was doing with her eyes wide open. she was not naive and they were

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the death of a jordanian pilot at the hands of isis has given a new urgency in the fight against ooezisis. >> reporter: when you talk about eradicating this group, people tell me this is america's war, not jordan's war. >> well i repeat again. this is definitely not the u.s.' war. this is definitely our war. and i would tell you, we have joined and given the majesty his

king and our armed forces not only united in mourning we're united in action. this -- i don't want to equate ourselves with this evil force but we will revenge for our pilot. >> fascinating interview with our becky anderson. michael weiss is here with me co-author of the book "isis, inside the army of terror." also joining me is bob baer and shane harris correspondent for "the daily beast." michael, whose war is this? >> everyone involved in the middle east is involved in this car, like it or not. jordan has a problem with radicalization within their own borders and are absolutely terrified about blow back retaliation including spectacular terrorist attacks which could strike inside

jordanian. i think the interior minister is quite right. in the short term there's a very robust sort of response. jordan has blood lust for revenge. is that going to carry in the long term? >> and that's the question. >> yes. and society is not necessarily united behind the idea. >> they are reinvigorated. will this last? to you, bob baer when you look at jordan as a strategic ally of the united states, i wonder if you could tell me how strong jordan is militarily and also i have read that they are pretty strong in terms of their intelligence gathering capability where the u.s. is not as strong. >> possibleppy, jordan has the best intelligence bar none. they understand iraq and syria. the united states depends upon them to get a real view inside the islamic state as wells a the tribes in that part of the

world. their military is very capable and i am delighted that the jordanians are rallying behind the king. and as the interior minuteister said this is not an american war. the islamic state is a threat to jordan. if they lose in syria and in iraq there's a good chance that jordan could go down as well. i think the tide has turned after this horrific burning of the pilot and we've seen the islamic state for what it really is and that's as much as any good news in the story, this is it. >> shane, one other important development is the fact that after stepping back and saying we're not going to do any more air strikes in december the uae is now stepping up again and sending f-16's to jordan. how significant is that fight? >> i think it's significant and the united states is going to see that as a good development. when it was rarpeported that the

uae might be able to fracture this coalition, which i think is one of their goals. for the uae to step back and say, no we will be there. we'll support the jordanians means that coalition is holding again. it's very important that that happened. >> shane, you recently penned an article for "the daily beast" in which you said isis will never return a hostage alive again. what tells you that? >> well certainly with american hostages, we are not, first of all, paying ransom. so that's off the table. it's clear, if you look at the pattern of the people they've beheaded up until now, they are not interested in negotiating. they are interested in using these individuals for propaganda purposes, for drawing their ordeals into painful spectacles for the public and particularly their families. there has been no real sign that they are interested in a credible negotiation that would actually result in the returning of these people home. >> but to you, bob baer we have seen some hostages released

such as french hostages and we know that france is willing to pay ransom. would it be a win for isis if they were able to get a successful prisoner swap done? >> oh absolutely poppy. they did it with the turks, the ones they captured in mosul. i don't know whether it involved money or not. the turks aren't saying. but the point is that they are capable of negotiating. it's just in the west that once we draw these lines and the french for paying money for their hostages were roundly condemned in back channels between paris and washington, i'm quite sure of that. and i don't think we want to get into the market of taking hostages. we don't know where the islamic state will go next. there's nothing to be regained from it. >> michael, to you.

congress has talked about a proposal to use authorized force. he has to go to congress. what should that look like? you just wrote a book on isis. >> right. >> what does the u.s. need to do to effectively beat it? >> i don't think isis is going to be defeated. >> with the air strikes alone? >> and the gentlemenopolitical realities. the u.s. is not saying that they are terminating with iran but in iraq and syria the sunnis and particularly the tribal areas that connect you have no impetus to rise up against them. on whose behalf would you do that? not on behalf of bashar al assad's regime. >> have we seen more of that after the burning of the jordanian pilot?

>> with jordan yes. there's this ideal that isis does not represent islam. if you're on the ground it's not just about their obscuring religious and fundamentalism. imagine living under a gruesome war. >> we can talk about this from here. they are living it. >> right. so what's in our interests today? we interviewed a lot of people who live under isis rule who are enemies of isis. the enemies of isis on the ground, the free syrian army told us look we have to acknowledge the power of persuasion that they bring to bear. sometimes groups, rebel groups that liberate a village resort to corruption. isis comes in and proposes itself as a sort of hygiene enterprise. we'll make the trains run on time for you. >> make nice for you. >> yes.

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the crisis in ukraine and we're talking about the escalating violence in ukraine and the role that russia is playing on the ground there. michael weiss is joining me again. thanks for being here to talk about this. it's incredible, the images that we've seen just this week out of donetsk the airport, dead

bodies there. nick paton walsh has shelling going on behind him. a senior u.s. official this week describing what he calls a grave acceleration of the fighting in ukraine. >> that's the million dollar question. so various analysts will disagree about this. some analysts say that the only goal that putin has is to mire ukraine in a political crisis essentially prevent the country from becoming -- >> russia is in an economic crisis. >> it is. the other theory which i tend to put more credence into especially these days putin is playing for a so-called southern corridor corridor to connect russia to crimea. whatever way the cookie crumbles here ukraine is losing the war on three separate fronts. russia has escalated.

we've seen more evidence of hard -- sophisticated russian material, stuff that the ukrainians haven't got crossing the border. >> and that's why so many in congress have been calling on the u.s. to step up support, if not boots on a column this week for cnn.com argues if putin wants to make ukraine a de facto russian protect protectorate. given we have no idea what he wants, do you agree? >> i think what you're seeing play out here is the frozen conflict that is essentially russia maintains hegemony over territory in europe that doesn't belong it to but they'll hand out russian passports and granting citizenship to those in those areas. >> i think the last thing the american public generally wants is another war the u.s. is involved in. at the same time, they understand the importance strategically here right, and

why it matters to the united states. >> right. >> do you think that it is critical that even if it requires u.s. boots on the ground that vladimir putin is not allowed to do this? >> i haven't heard anyone suggest u.s. boots on the ground not even the most hawkish republican senator is saying that. there's a suite of options available. ukraine is not just asking for lethal weaponry such as anti-tank missiles. they're also asking for nonlethal equipment, especially radio communications gear. these guys in the ukrainian armed servicesbattalions these are kids who signed up a year ago. >> can that be successful? is that really all they need to be able to push russia back? >> they don't eve haven't surveillance drones so they can't fly overheaddad and let the separatists know where these guys are shooting artillery at them. some would argue it's an escalation. i would argue it just allows the ukrainians to do better what they're doing. >> should we be calling this a

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all right. a lot of people in silicon valley got rich thinking outside of the box, right? and some of them are taking that approach to their love lives. we're talking about adult-themed activities swinging open relationships, all of this making a bit of a comeback in the valley amongst the tech-savvy valley set. laurie segall dove into this world and emerged unscathed. this has been fascinating to watch you report this out. it's got an lot of attention from media all over the place. sort of happened by consistent right? that you found all of this. you just heard people talking about it. >> honestly i talked to my tech sources and said what's the next big thing? someone said some of my friends at twit rer going to swinger parties. i just started asking. what i kept hearing was the word polyamorous, which means many loves, and it's this idea you can be in multiple relationships, and a lot of entrepreneurs i spoke to were surprisingly very analytical

about their relationship status which makes them sort of them in the bay area. i want to play a little bit of an interview from a couple engineers. take a listen. >> i think this is something that can be for everybody. it's more okay to be out about it in tech. opening up your relationship is really risky. >> if you're trying to build a product, say, to draw an analogy, and it's failing 50% of the time you might want to consider the design and think about ways of improving that. so like it's not saying monogamy or marriage is inherently flawed but it may not be for everybody. >> he's the guy that coined the use of the hashtag on twitter. >> wow. big time. what else did you find? i know we have this special airing 8:30 tonight all about this and more drugs, lsd use in the valley. what else surprised you? >> we actually went into a high-tech swingers party. that was very interesting. i want to play you a little bit

of my interview with the engineers inside of this party. >> okay. >> take a listen. >> cheating is really about violating the contract of the relationship. you said you wouldn't do that and now you did. that could be forgetting to put the clip on the bag of chips or sleeping with somebody else. >> could be like i'm having jealous he's having sex with someone else or it could be i like it when he's having fun. i enjoy seeing that. >> these guys are engineers. they make a lot of money. they said they can afford to do this and if it's not popular with everybody at work they have the job security to go someplace else to get another job. >> the reaction from folks in the valley seeing this all week. >> some people have messaged me and said why didn't you interview me for this story? >> any pushback? >> not really. i think people are interested. it's something that's interesting. it's counterculture and we are just lifting the curtain on it nap's what technology does. >> we will watch it all tonight 8:30 p.m. only on cnn. fascinating report from laurie segall reporting on silicon

valley complicated and interesting developing a relationship with sex and drugs. 8:30 tonight. thanks for joining me this evening. smerconish comes up next. we'll be back at 7:00 eastern right here. i'm michael smerconish with breaking news. new information on kayla mueller, the 26-year-old american aid worker who's been held by isis. after almost two years of keeping her capture a secret her family has now gone public after isis claimed the 26-year-old aid worker was killed by a jordanian air strike. but u.s. intelligence officials are skeptical and it turns out they may have new evidence on where kayla has been. cnn correspondent kyung lau is in prescott california. >> reporter: there was a rescue attempt, a daring rescue attempt. and u.s.