hey, thanks for joining us for the extended edition of "360." we pick up in a courtroom in texas picking up where american sniper left off, the man charged in the death of navy seal chris kyle back in 2013. the accused was a troubled veteran that kyle himself was trying to help, an unemployed marine diagnosed with ptsd. some of the defense said was suffering from a psychosis so severe he didn't know what he was doing was wrong. that's the claim by the attorney. martin savidge tonight reports.

>> reporter: like the blockbuster movie about his life, the trial over how american sniper chris kyle died is also packing them in. the line to get into the small town courtroom in stevenville, texas, began forming before the sun came up. >> how do you plead? >> not guilty, your honor. >> reporter: there's no debate over this. former marine and veteran killed kyle and his best friend, chad littlefield at a gun range in february 2013. the legal debate is why? >> i'll allow the state to present opening statements. >> reporter: in opening statement, district attorney alan dash said ralph knew what he was doing. he used two different guns taking the time to reload before fleeing in kyle's pickup truck. the same truck ralph was riding after a police chase. >> did you intentionally cause the deaths of these two men and

when he did so, did he know what he was doing was wrong? those are the two ultimate issues we're going to ask you to decide. >> reporter: the defense argues ralph is innocent by reason of insanity. they blame it on posttraumatic stress as a result of his service for his country overseas. >> this tragedy, not only was he suffering from a severe mental disease, not only did he not know his conduct was wrong, he thought he had to take their lives. >> reporter: the defense delivered a bombshell. chris kyle's own words. in the form of a text kyle said littlefield, at the time they were in the front seat of his truck with ralph seated behind them on the hour and a half drive to the gun range that deadly day.

>> he texted him, straight up. this dude is straight up nuts. >> reporter: moments later. >> littlefield texted chris kyle back, right behind you. watch by 6. >> reporter: watch by 6 is military speak for watch my back. a short time later both kyle and littlefield would both be dead and the messages they shared could be a key assist to the defense of the man who killed them. the first witness was taya kyle, chris kyle's widow. we can broadcast the video of her testimony but no sound. even without words, it was emotional. as the mother of two choked up and wiped her eyes as the courtroom was shown pictures of her husband. chris kyle is known as a hero who as a sniper watched over his troops in iraq and as a civilian reached out to those who, like himself, struggled with the

aftermath of war. a life so remarkable, it would become a hollywood hit. american sniper has broken box office records. >> i just want to get the bad guys but if i can't see them i can't shoot them. >> reporter: continues to play at the cinemark 6 three miles from a courtroom where they decide if kyle is a villain or victim. >> martin savidge joins me. according to taya kyle, she briefly spoke on the phone to him before the shooting. what happened in that conversation? >> reporter: she was asked to walk through the horrible day, the last time she saw her husband they met in the house, exchanged a hug and kiss and i love you. he was on his way. a couple hours later, said she reached out to him by telephone and apparently got him at that gun range and she noticed he was uncharacteristically different. when asked how different, she said, it sounded like he wanted to say something more but

couldn't because of someone nearby. it turns out that was the last conversation the couple would ever have. >> martin savidge, appreciate it very much. joining me, cnn senior analyst jeffrey toobin and marcus l litrell, author of lone survivor on a mission in afghanistan. marc marcus, first of all, talk about chris kyle. what kind of a guy was he? we've seen the book and the movie. saw him on television. i know his lovely wife. what are your memories of him? >> we obviously became friends when we were young frogs. i mean, tadpoles. still going through training. went to the teams together. and obviously, you know, how tight knit our community is, we grew from there. both being texas boys. once we got out, stayed together. our wives are very close and i mean, he's a great man.

i could say that until i'm blue in the face. a great father. i can't attest to being a good husband, i wasn't married to him, but i know taya loved him very much. >> and he, i mean, he cared about veterans. as you do, he cared about helping guys who are coming back. men and women coming back. >> absolutely. the way he stayed connected like a lot of veterans do, we do stuff with veterans and outside of the military. that's what he did. he took the guys to the range, talked to them, helped them learn how to shoot and that was kind of his connection. that's the way he stayed in tune with the military. >> and, you know, there's been so much written about, talked about ptsd now and people are much more informed about it and rightly so. the fact that this guy who allegedly killed chris kyle, the fact his attorneys planned to use an insanity defense and there's a lot of people i know who are concerned that who have gone through ptsd are concerned

that linking insanity to ptsd could just fuel people's misconception. >> right. i think that's kind of a slippery slope. i mean, being insane and having ptsd, i would imagine are two different things. just because you're in the military and you wear the uniform doesn't automatically mean you have ptsd. because you went to the sand box and over there for a little while or six months, whatever it was, doesn't mean you saw combat or, yeah, it's stressful. i get that and people handle stress differently, but the fact that you claim that ptsd drove you to murder i think is kind of crap. i don't necessarily agree with that. >> just because you have ptsd doesn't mean you don't know right from wrong. the attorney will say he didn't know right from wrong when the shooting occurred. >> everybody has stress in their life. you don't have to be in the military to have a stressful

day. that's the reason you shot two people? i mean, i'm not a lawyer. i don't believe that one bit. >> jeff, insanity defenses, just legally in murder cases are difficult to mount, right? >> they are very difficult to mount. we talk about them a lot but almost never succeed. with juries for the obvious reason, juries are ordinary people and believe in personal responsibility. if a person has any sort of control over themselves, the jurors almost always vote to convict. >> and jeff, somebody using ptsd as marcus said, ptsd is not insanity. because you have ptsd doesn't mean they're eligible for an insanity defense. >> by no means and ptsd alone is almost by definition not insanity. because obviously, like most mental illnesses, there's a range. most people who have ptsd get over it and return to society

and do fine. but ptsd alone by no means is legal insanity. >> marcus, the horrible irony, the sad irony of the whole situation is chris died trying to help somebody who had served this country, someone who allegedly was suffering from ptsd and something else, fact that person ended up being the one who killed him is just, it's just such a horrific irony. it's awful. >> it is. i mean, i guess that's the best word to describe it and the tragic irony. but i feel, melanie is up there at the trial. she was texting me -- >> melanie is your wife. >> yeah, i'm sorry. my wife texted me while she was up there with taya and she is stressed out. so i know if my wife is stressed out, taya is stressed out. she had to get on the stand and testify. it's been two years. the two kids are old enough to

know what happened with their father with everything that's come out now. you try to move past something and it gets jerked back in, it's got to be difficult for everybody on both sides of that too. i would imagine that guy's family is going through a lot too. i don't want to take anything away from them. it's got to be absolutely horrible for them but bottom line is, went down the way it went down. >> taya is chris kyle's wife continuing on with his legacy. what do you think chris would think of all this, the fact it went down the way it did? >> get shot in the back, how do you make it through everything he went through with the deployments and come back, shot in the back? and the part that gets me the most is the neighbors, chad littlefield. chris called him up. hey, i want you to come to the range. i got an uneasy feeling about this whole deal. and he had no idea what was going down. to be standing there when the

guy took chris out. and then turn the gun on him. it had to be terrifying. i know guys in military, i don't know, man. that's just bad news. >> marcus, it's great to have you on as always. thank you for.name this. i appreciate it. >> absolutely, brother man. quick reminder. set your dvr for "360" whenever you'd like. isis, whether it will survive the scrutiny and whether it's likely to be effective on the ground. moment, thinking about people?g why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience? why innovate for a future without accidents? why do any of it? why do all of it? because if it matters to you, it's everything to us. the xc60 crossover. from volvo. lease the well-equipped volvo xc60 today.

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isis will be destroyed and asked for congress's formal approval to do it. he sent them a proposed operation for the use of force to sign off on or more likely modify. it's limited in duration, three years and limited in scope. no long term use of ground forces but he also said this. >> we have actionable intelligence about a gathering of isil leaders and our partners

didn't have the capacity to get them. i would be prepared to order special forces to take action because i will not allow these terrorists to have a safe haven. we need flexibility but also need to be careful and deliberate. >> said members of both parties were consulted in the making of this and that said, some on each side sfoek out against it for doing too little and some not going far enough. political commentator and former press secretary jay carney and cnn at the institute. what do you make of the fact it's not just republicans? john boehner said it's too restrictive and nancy pelosi say it's lukewarm, have to craft better. >> sounds like the goldilocks use for the force. pleases almost no one. democrats are wary, having lived through the bush experience with

sort of open ended blank checks for wars in afghanistan and iraq. they don't want any kind of engagement that's not completely restricted and obviously there's wiggle room in this one and a three year duration. some republicans on the other hand although not all of them but some republicans including leaders and major voices like senator mccain and senator graham believe it's not enough. they would prefer something more open ended, they would prefer giving the commander in chief all the authority he might need under any potential circumstance. but i think what is clear is that we're not going to invade with ground forces syria and we're not sending massive ground troops back to iraq. so there's no support for that in the public and there's no real majority support for anything like that in congress. so having a resolution that honors that reality is i think the right thing to do. >> as mike said, a lot of restrictions are put on the u.s.

is open ended war check, war in afghanistan has gone on 14 years now. >> what restrictions are we putting on him? for me, the elephant in the room is syria. we have to realize that this is, there is actually no syria strategy right now and many are saying that we need to build forces in syria, partner forces on the ground that can take territory and hold it from isis and that in order to do that, we're going to have to train forces to fight assad and i think that the commander in chief can very easily argue and probably would argue that this authorization of military force would not allow him to do that. >> are you saying u.s. forces on the ground in syria training syrian rebel forces? >> special forces, just like we're doing in iraq. we're building up forces in iraq on the ground. we've got special forces on the ground doing that. we might want to do the same thing. i personally think we should be doing the same thing in syria. the president has actually

declined to put together a serious strategy and that's the elephant in the room. >> jay, what about mike's point? >> i don't disagree with mike about the problem posed by syria and the fact that the strategy we have now hasn't achieved success. i think a lot of critics of the strategy haven't got one plausible to put forward as an alternative. i think this aumf has/would allow him to use force to train rebels, whether or not the wise force of action to stick u.s. troops in a training capacity in syria. they're doing it in iraq and have been doing this. this aumf would allow for that as well as special forces operations. >> mike, do you see a difference in terms of danger, u.s. ground special forces on the ground in syria versus them in iraq? >> well, it's just a much more complex political situation there.

which the president hasn't wanted to deal with. >> much less secure military situation. >> and much less secure military but to jay's point, this authorization is actually taking power away from the president. it's amazing. because it's going to supplant the 2002 authorization of force for iraq which was much more open ended. i've never seen a president go to congress and say, take authorizations away from me. >> well, i'm not sure that's a bad thing. we as a nation live through the consequences the authorization in 2002 in particular for iraq. and paid a heavy price for it with pretty mixed results i think it's fair to say and i think, again, for the president who served in congress to say that congress needs to join me in this effort and i believe this is the limit, these are the limits that make sense given what's plausible in terms of military action in this arena, i don't think it's a bad thing and i think most americans, or a lot of americans will go along with

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well, it will surprise no one this country makes every effort to free americans held captive overseas. by now you're probably familiar

with the operation that came within hours of rescuing james foley and kayla mueller as well. another that might have worked but narrowly tragically just fell short. details now from brian todd. >> reporter: kayla mueller at an isis camp in syria and out of nowhere, a man appeared that he was there for release, a ruse wasn't in on. >> lied to the captors that she wasn't married, so it foiled the plan. >> reporter: gosar doesn't know who it was but could have been a fellow aid worker who was captured with mueller and released. >> i think this was orchestrated from people she associated with, people caught behind militant lines. they wanted to try to get her home. >> reporter: gosar represents the home district in arizona and had extensive contact with parents since captured in 2013.

gosar was briefed by state department sources, members of mueller's family and fellow arizonan john mccain. learning exhaustive errors to win the release of kayla mueller. mccain himself went to try to get mueller out. gosar said his own chief of staff ventured into a refugee camp across the city of kobani to get information on mueller. it was an enormous risk. >> it was overrun with soldiers, so from that standpoint, he was being watched very carefully. >> reporter: went on a dangerous mission to collect kayla mueller. >> i deployed an entire operation at significant risk to rescue not only her, but the other individuals that had been held. and probably missed them by a

day or two. >> reporter: july 2014, navy seals and delta force commandos to an abandoned oil refinery near raqqa, syria. where they think mueller, james foley and others are held. no one there but find strands of hair believed to be mueller's. fire fight ensues and the mission lasts two hours. former seal john mcguire not on the raid but knows how risky it was. >> it's never perfect. and the situation and the training are not exactly perfect. >> reporter: even with all of that and the risks involved, both congressman gosar and senator mccain said they failed kayla mueller's family because despite the exhaustive efforts, she wasn't returned home safely. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> dig deeper with retired lieutenant general and cnn global affairs analyst james reese. colonel reese, a mission like the one to rescue kayla and

other hostages, i would imagine got to be the most difficult thing to pull off successl lys y successlyfully. what are the elements? >> speed, surprise, and violence of action. the fourth element here is the hostage rescue force had to cross a boundary into enemy territory that i would call they were doing an away game. we were in iraq for all of these years, we did several hostage rescues. we had spent so much time, it was like actually being a home game, we knew the area, we knew the people. we could get people close by. we thought these hostages are. when you have to fly several hours deep across enemy territory, this is the fourth element to really take this into a difficult situation. >> general hurtly, the intelligence needed to make this work, i assume it's got to be

nearly perfect and to have people close enough to have even eyes on in advance, no? >> jim is talking primarily about what the operators do, anderson, and what i tell you is, as he knows as a commander in iraq, i used to have the special operators coming from 5 to 20 operations they had done that night. each one of the operations had all the components that jim just mentioned. but they also have extense i target packages with unbelievable intelligence associated with that. something like a hostage rescue from a strategic level, you have to have not only the intelligence in the package but you have to continually feed the additional intelligence to the commander who's overseeing the operation. so when they leave with whatever type of equipment they have on whatever type of aircraft or device, they have one packet. they receive updated information in the air. they're going to have new

information that's going to tell them to continue to proceed or not and the further those distances get with the greater amount of support, the more intelligence you need. it's a continual action. these are really tough milssion. >> they had enough intelligence to pull this off because the situation on the ground in syria by most accounts is less than optimal to say the least. >> well, jim can talk more about this, anderson but i think over the last ten to 14 years of combat, we used to rely almost exclusively on human intelligence but i think we've gotten really good, special operators have gotten really good with combining human intelligence, signals intelligence, overhead intelligence, all that could contribute, a simple telephone hit and say they're still there or overhead platform saying i still have eyes on the target with a drone or even a non-air

breather aircraft. it isn't all human intelligence but all three of those will combine to give you some really good information on what's going on at the target's site. >> colonel reese, the thing about these kind of operations, public only typically hears about them when they're successful, ones that don't succeed, the government usually doesn't talk about for understandable reasons. >> yeah, it is, anderson. and i will tell you, i disagree with that. we're very protective of our special operation forces and we should be. and we need to be very protective of the tactics techniques and procedures they go through. what we're missing here is the propaganda, the counterpropaganda that these forces can provide. because i will tell you, especially with the czzarkowi rd and other things, when they're hunted, it's tough. i think there's a set of green eyes coming at you. >> it was surprising to hear the president talk about the rescue mission earlier yesterday.

you actually think it's a mistake for the operation to talk about this. >> i did say that, anderson. there's a reason special operators call themselves quiet professionals. they don't talk about the things they do and what happened with the rescue attempt, possibly and i don't have inside intel on this, but possibly isis had many captives in one location because they may have felt they were safer in syria but as jim said, when you start getting special operators coming at you and you're the enemy and realize there's no place to run, no place to hide, that's critically important so you spread those things out. i personally just don't like to see as much reporting going on in the media with former special operators talking about how things are done. >> general hertling, i appreciate your perspective and colonel reese as well. tonight, the university of north carolina vigil to honor the three muslim students murdered at an off-campus apartment. was it a hate crime? the father of two of the victims believes. the new developments tonight. we needed 30 new hires for our call center.

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zarqaw we've got some incredibly sad news to report about a colleague, an inspiration and a friend. just a short time ago, we got word veteran cbs news and cnn correspondent bob simon died. according to a source in law enforcement, he was a passenger in a car involved in a two-vehicle accident tonight in manhattan. bob was and i'll tell you it's hard to talk about him in the past tense but bob was for the last five decades some of the best, in my opinion, the best in the world getting a story, telling a story, writing a story and making it simply

unforgettable. covered every major overseas conflict since the 1960s most notably in the middleeast. reporting earned him over 20 awards and bob was a fixture on 60 minutes and his daughter, tanya, a 60 minutes producer. a warrior poet who loved life and loved people. he was 73 years old. brian stelter of cnn reliable sources is joining us and i got to say just on a personal basis, i mean, i grew up admiring bob simon and whenever i gave talks at schools, i'd always say bob simon is the greatest writer and the most i look up in business. when i worked at 60 minutes to even be in the same hall and the same offices as bob simon was such an honor and it's just a huge loss for cbs and for everybody. >> you said warrior poet. those are two beautiful words to describe him. he was a "60 minutes" correspondent for 19 seasons. this was his 19th season. he just had a report on this

sunday about salma and as you mentioned won so many awards, earned so many awards over the seasons. >> the thing about bob, his writing was so distinctive and had such a voice and could write in his voice. walk by an edit room and always in the edit room to look at all the footage. he wrote to the pictures. not just wrote a story and other people edited it. he was intrickily involved. i worked with a number of long time producers who all just say what a treat it was to work with bob in the field and how much they learned from watching him work. >> the writing is often what separates the good from the greats. and you see that on "60 minutes." the story telling. that is what is so special about the program, what makes it the preeminent news magazine of our country. and you know that very well, anderson, better than anyone.

bob is one of a few full-time correspondents and here i am speaking in the present tense even though we've lost him tonight in the most tragic and random of ways to be in a car accident headed home from work tonight. this is news to break the hearts of people at cbs. they are unfortunately just learning it as we're speaking here. >> and i mean, bob survived so much in the field. he worked in the middle east for years and years and years. you may remember he was captured actually in iraq. he was held under the reign of saddam hussein. >> for 40 days under the imprisonment. >> i believe a camera crew as well and for him to have survived all of that and the times he put himself at risk and again to just watch him in the field. i mean, i remember in haiti in '94 before the u.s. landed or soon after the u.s. landed, i was a young sort of punk correspondent on my own, a one man band, seeing him at a riot

and i think i actually followed him around from a distance to just kind of see what bob simon was seeing and then to see his piece that night, to see how, what he saw through his own eyes made it in the piece and when i started "60 minutes," i was too intimidated to talk to him much. i came up and introduced myself but a long time before he talked to me and then started making fun of my hair and whatever. but i was pleased to have even bob simon make fun of you i was pleased with but in the last year or two talked to him more and more. i don't want to pretend he was a friend but just somebody i hugely admired. it's just stunning to me. >> he's a man who represented the best of the craft of journalism. the best of the craft of story telling. talking about in iraq in the persian war but got his start in combat reporting in vietnam in the 1960s and after that experience being imprisoned in iraq in 1991, went back to dagd

in 1993. a man who has experienced american history for 50 years, and that is the kind of legacy he's going to leave behind. >> there used to be cbs had a moment, a cable called eye on people. i think i was the only one who actually watched it but they used to broadcast old cbs news reports and broadcast ones that bob simon did from vietnam and i would watch it, i would tape them because i just loved watching to see how he kind of morphed as a writer. >> there was such a diversity in his portfolio. he was a middle eastern correspondent and then the spinoff during the weekdays. then to "60 minutes." the flag ship broadcast and going to leave such a hole in "60 minutes". >> it's just devastating and our thoughts are with his daughter, with tanya and his entire family. brian, thank you very much for being with us. we'll have more on bob simon as news develops. we'll be right back. hey, girl.

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reported on the shocking news of the death of cbs correspondent "60 minutes" correspondent bob simon killed in a car crash a short time ago today. i just received a statement from jeff factor, the executive of

"60 minutes" and read out what he said about his long time friend and colleague. jeff writes, it's a terrible loss for all of us at cbs news. such a tragedy made worse because we lost him in a car accident, a man who escaped difficult situations than anyone journalist in modern times. he was driven by natural curiosity that took him all over the world covering all kinds of story imaginable. no one like bob simon. all of us at cbs news and "60 minutes," we will miss him very much. jeff on bob simon. there's a vigil at the university chapel hill. people gathering to remember three local students, two from unc. their killing raises an especially ugly question beyond the simple and horrible fact three accomplished and deeply

loved people raised the word. murdered because of their religion that was islam? the three students, dental student, new wife and sister were all muslim. the suspect, a 46-year-old man named craig hicks who turned himself in last night appears to have made strong anti-religious statements online. it's unclear whether they targeted islam specifically or all religions. his wife said it has nothing to do with that but the father calls it a hate crime. getting global as well as national attention. i spoke with a sister of one of the victims, unc about the brother he was. >> my brother, deah, was a 6'3" young man, who had the kindest heart, who loved everyone he met. greeted strangers with hugs and dedicated his life to service.

he loved his family. he loved his wife, yusor. he loved his in-law and it's a very sad day for both of our families. he was happy in everything that he did and he made it light and people loved being around him for that. and selfishly, as the older sister who felt like a second mom to him, i will miss him akoring me and the way he loved me and looked up to me and the many phone calls where we would talk and we would give each other advice and he's like, okay, i see your point and he was the best friend kind of brother. >> incredible strength. there is much pain tonight in her community, a deep hunger for answers. our jason carroll is in chapel hill following the investigation. what is the latest? >> reporter: well, anderson, the

chapel hill police department says that what they are going to do is exhaust every lead possible to make sure that their conclusions are correct. their preliminary conclusion is that this was a case of a man, craig hicks, who had an ongoing dispute with these neighbors. that dispute ended in gunfire. apparently, a dispute over a parking space. hicks' wife also speaking out today saying that thd nothing to do with religion or faith, that, again, this had to do with the ongoing dispute. chapel hill police say they will continue to investigate this making sure that was the case but what you heard there from the victims, the victim's family and also from what we've been hearing from a number of people in the community, they simply do not believe that. >> yeah, i mean, you spoke with the girl -- the young women's father. we played that interview in our last hour. what's his response to what the

police are saying about not being a hate crime? he just doesn't believe that? >> reporter: absolutely not. he says that actually, deah, who you heard about there, lived in this apartment complex for some time without problems with craig hicks. this is what the girl's father says and the father said it was only only his daughter moved in to his apartment complex and other young muslim women who came to the area wearing head scarves, that was about december. he said that's where the problems started. he said it was more than a parking space. he said hicks would bother them about noise. he would bother them about a gun in the past and various issues and their father firmly believes that it has everything to do with their faith and their religion. >> jason, thank you for the update and thank you very much. and just ahead, will brian williams return the anchor desk?

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as we reported a short time ago, legendary newsman bob simon has been killed in a car crash, and on a night that we have learned of the passing of bob simon, it seems trivial to talk the about newsman brian williams, but his troubles are a blow to the profession. he is being suspended for six

months without pay, but what we don't know is if he will be returning to the anchor desk after that suspension, and there are stories if he should return the after xexaggerated war stories are from 2003. tonight, his name was cut from the opening, and lester holt called the suspension an enormously difficult story to report. >> brian is a member of our family, but so are you, our viewer, and we will work every night to be worthy of your trust. >> and the new york times media repo reporter david carr says that there is no playbook of how to bounce back from this fall. i spoke to david carr before we went on the air before we learned of bob simon's passing or i would have made this interview all about bob simon, but this is what i spoke to david carr about earlier. >> reporter: do you believe it is likely ta that brian williams will return after six months? >> you have to wonder what that will look like, and the ins tru

me men al ti of it, and how it would get done, and i mean, it has to be the possibility that they left the door open. but i just have trouble figuring out how it would get done. >> seeing it, seeing the path? >> and he can't go on the talk shows. >> right. >> and maybe he can go on the press, but maybe he can go to work on wounded warrior, i don't know, but it is just the drawback, because he has a huge fan base of people who care and like him, and that matters in television a lot, but sort of how do you get from here to there? >> and the idea of the wounded warriors is interesting, because i was thinking of that as with well, does he start to work for veterans organizations, and you know, even kind of without any fanfare and just kind of doing it, and seeing how that goes? u i don't know. because there hasn't been a fall like this for somebody in the news business. i mean, celebrities who go off to rehab or, you know, go on

oprah and make a contrite statement, but he can't really do that. >> we are in a new land. there's no -- there's never been a number one anchor who has tumbled all of the way like this. to begin with, and others who are going, well, probably too big to fail. i mean, really. >> and i thought that initially. >> and i just thought, and i think that brian thought that, too, i will thread the needle here, and people will know that i'm a patriot, and i care about the country, and may may have overspoke, but as it turned out, you know, if you are going to be telling a war story, it probably shouldn't be about war. that is going to be a specific problem. >> it is interesting, because i was looking closely at the language he uses even in the interview, there is revealed with the "stars and stripes." >> right sblchlt the language that he uses is very much that he uses the military terminology and he says "we u" we were on a

mission to put a bridge down" and "we were doing this" as if he was part of the mission, and when you are reporting, you usually say, the troops that i'm accompanying and their mission is this and this, and he seems to say, we a lot which i found kind of just interesting, and i don't know ha what what to make >> well, it is a danger of embedding, when you depend on them in transportation, and you are exposed to same or similar peril it is easy to believe a that we are talking the about w we, and we are not. we are talking about your subject, and you are the journalist. >> and as somebody said, if this had happened to one of the other anchors on one of the other networks, it would not have had as big of an impact because they are not as well known as brian williams, but because he has been on some of the shows, and has multiple talents. and he appeared on jimmy fallon

and slow jamming the news, and letterman and the other news shows as well, they have appeared on as well, and there is a day and age, you have to be on as many platforms as possible, and if you have a variety of interest, and if you have a sense of humor and willing to poke fun at yourself, then the other outlets make sense. >> the problem is that of course, when you work in the studio, there is no one applauding, and then you get into the venues where people applaud or don't applaud and you want to make the room bounce. even as a print reporter, i get into the certain public situation, and i end up cracking the line, because you want the room to bounce. you want the room to love you, and it is only natural, and we are all at bottom entertainers, and nobody wants to be the boring guy sitting up there, and you could see how it could get away pr you a little bit. especially him, because he has significant skills.

and he is super funny. >> yeah, yeah. you are never the boring guy many in the room, and i appreciate you being on. >> thanks a million for having me, anderson. >> david carr, thank you. and that does it for this edition of "360" and thank you for watching. this is cnn breaking news. >> anderson, thank you very much. sad breaking news to report tonight, cbs correspondent bob simon is dead at age 73, and anderson, you worked closely with bob, and i'm happy to have you here to talk about this, and you knew him better than any of us here. and talk to me about his life, and his legacy in journalism. >> i don't want to pretend they hung out socially with bob. i talked to him in the office, and literal i will i can say that from the time i was a kid watching "cbs evening news" as a kid, because that is what we watched as a kid growing up, i have