anti-semitic remarks on his facebook pages. was it a hate crime? and now, what was put into the imitation game crusade of ad adam or thing? we will find out more about that. and now, more on the chapel hill murders from jason carroll. >> reporter: frantic 911 call and shots fired near chapel hill campus in north carolina. >> there is more than one girl screaming, and then there was nothing. >> reporter: the victims, all muslims, 20-year-old deah barakat and his wife of more than a month, yusor abu salha

and sister razan abu salha all shot execution style with a bullet the head. later that night, this man 40-year-old chris hicks turned himself into police who was charged with the murders. what triggered the murders? police say it was over a parking spot. >> it has nothing to do with the mundane frustration of a man day in, day out with this man not being able to park where he wanted to park. >> but the father of the murdered children said that it was a hate crime. >> i feel that he would not have acted this way if they were not clearly muslim. >> reporter: a family spokeswoman called for a in investigation. >> we ask that the authorities investigate these senseless and heinous murders as a hate crime. >> reporter: but hicks says he s

is an atheist, and when it comes to religious insults, your religion started this and not me. p you kept your big mouth shut so would i. we cannot independently confirm the posts on the facebook page. his wife expressed shock at the senseless killings but she said it is not a hate crime. >> one of the things that i know about him, everyone is equal. it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what you look like or who you are or believe. >> reporter: barakat was a second-year dental student, and his wife was about to begin the same dental school studies and his sister was at unc-raleigh study canning. and he was a tobt embark on providing dental care to refugees in syria to refugees. he was asking for money to go on

the trip. >> reporter: and also the daughter did say to to a father daddy, i don't believe that this man likes us simply because of who we are. >> thank you, jason carroll sfwloochltcarroll. and joining us now is larry seidlin who presided over the anna nicole smith, and judge perry and judge mabeline. what do you make of this judge perry about a hate crime? >> well it is not always easy

to prove, but in this case, we have a tragic execution-style murd murder that you asked why did a parking infraction fight cause such rage or was there something more and that question needs to be answered. >> and i think that it is important for the can community whether it is a hate crime or not. it means something to the community, because many believe that there is an tie muslim sentiment go ging on in the country right now. but rage is a real thing, judge mabeline and you heard the judge before you talking about it, rage is a real thing. could this really all just be about a parking space? >> you know, unfortunately, don, it could possibly be that, because some people just get so outraged and enraged over the slightest little thing go g oning on in their communities, and we have seen cases of road rage where people are pulling a

alongside each other when somebody cuts you off in the middle of the road and they shoot each other, and neighborhood disputes are something that people cannot ignore. when there is a dispute about you parking in my parking space, and you are ignoring my right of privacy or disrespecting me and sometimes kit get to that point, and unfortunately, people are just so uptight about things these day ss, and when you add the fact that i don't like people sparking in my space and then adding in, it is a child and 21-year-old, and 19-year-old children and then add you in muslim and so it was a combination of all of those things that enraged him, but something was going on or is going on inside of that man, mr. hicks, that he needs to look at himself, and they may say that he is not racist, and it is not a hate crime, but he has a lot of hatred for human beings and life and he has a total disrespect for lives, because you can't walk up to somebody's front door and walk up there and shoot them in the head. that is total disregard for the

lives of other, and call it hate or whatever, but it is a form of hatred whether it is for muslims, but it is a hatred for human life. >> and clearly rage there. and judge seidlin, when a crime like this happens where it involves a person wearing religious attire, how does that come into play in a courtroom, and will it at all? >> oh it is going to be playing into the courtroom. you have to prove two elements in this type of crime. you have to show that there sis an act and there is an act that he killed the three young muslims and then you need the mens rea, the state of mind, and if you look at the facebook he hates all of the religions, and he says that praying is pointless. i'd like the police department to examine this -- >> is that just an opinion or racist? >> well, shgs, it is an opinion and therefore, there has to be more

investigation. >> praying is pointless. >> well, it is connected to the university of nkk in,orth carolina and like bermuda looking at the killing, and the aruba case and so they don't want to put bad public lis ti on the university and so they need to step up to the plate, and bring in the fbi. >> well their have asked for the fbi's assistance. >> yes, go ahead judge mabelean. >> well, it is not enough for them to prove whether it is a hate crime at this point. >> well, it is not even the local police, but it is the college police. so there needs to be a lot of investigation. the statement in and of itself that why pray is pointless, and your religion started this those statements in and of itself are insufficient to prove hate crime, but if you dig into this man's past and go real deep

into the bockground you will be probably able to find some hatred and maybe just toward religious people in general and not necessarily muslims in particular. >> judge perry? >> don, they have a long way to go with the investigation. they will have to dig deep and as judge ma,belean said they have a long way to go. >> and you worked on the casey anthony trial, judge perry, and one of the longest death penalty cases in a long time, a ndnd do you believe it is going to be one? >> three murders execution-style in north carolina, it is going to be a death penalty case. >> and when and it is a high-profile a high-profile, and the media attention, that puts the prosecutor in the hot box. he knows that everybody is watching him, and therefore, he is going to be enhancing the

crime as high as he can get, as long as he knows that he can prove it in a courtroom. in belvin perry's case the prosecutor overcharged the defendant, and i kept saying it as the trial the unfolded it should have been a manslaughter charge and not murd mer the first degree and that is what happened in his case, but this case --? and in this case -- >> yes, in this case, i don't know how it could be anything o other than the death penalty case when you knock on the front door and the people have no weapon and not attacking, and not a self-defense issue, and not premeditated and you wint over there with the gun in your hand and knock on the door and shoott point blank, and bang bang, bang, and it can be nothing but a death penalty case, because it is total death penalty case and based on the facts so far, i see nothing o other than the semblance of first-degree premeditated murder

with a death penalty case with or without the hate crime murd murder, and the hate crime adds to it, but with or without it, it is a death penlalty case. >> and judge perry, and judge seidlin, and judge mabelean thank you all. >> we will bring you the breakdown of the first day of the "american sniper" trial. and also will is evidence that kayla mueller may have been given to an isis fighter as a so-called bride. what really happened? ning cars for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet. a car that can see trouble... ...and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not honda. not ford or any other brand. subaru eyesight. an extra set of eyes, every time you

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kayla mueller the hostage of isis may have bneen paired as a bride of a member of eyeisis and may have been coerced or sold into ta pairing. her death has been confirm and while mueller's situation was a mystery, there are instances of western women becoming romantically involved with terrorists. alina machada has more. >> reporter: you may not know it, but this woman is the center of a manhunt. she is h in the center aiming a

crossbow, but the images of boumeddiene and her partner show that boumeddiene has been scantily clad and wearing a bikini on the beach, and vacationing with coulibaly, and she told police that in 2010 she was not religious when she first met him, and things changed after they wed in a are religious ceremony and the change from bikinis to burqas is a radical transformation. >> and if you look at it, it is a transpormation. >> reporter: she is wanted for the mysterious role in the paris attacks, and the connection of her terrorist attacker amedy coulibaly coulibaly. >> she is seen as a rock star. >> reporter: and she is one of

many with women who have a romantic link to many women who is seen as seen in this video traveling with another man who is connected to another jihadi cell. >> and a woman and a man are paired up, and they won't be seen as an operational unit and operational entity. >> reporter: samantha grew up as a normal kid outside of london and then turned radical. her husband is responsible for the deadly london subway attacks in 2005. she is known as the white widow and linked the somali terror group al shabaab. and then oxem mahmoud who left her family for syria after growing up listening to rock

music while growing up. her goal was to join the movement and become an isis bride. tonight, her whereabouts are unknown and much like boumeddiene boumeddiene, and two ordinary western women transforming themselves into the first women of terror. alina machado, cnn, new york. >> i'm joined by bob baer and also, the author of "growing up in the shadow of saddam", and also we have new information that there is a question and answer with hayat boumeddiene and i want to read some of it, and then zane, i want to get your answer. my sisters, plead for your

sister s sisters, and brothers and husbands and son, and be good counselors for them and may they find in you rest and tranquilitys and do not make their tasks difficult, but easy and be strong and courageous and do not waste your time in futilitys and what does not concern you. zane zaneb, what is your reaction to this? >> well shgs sit, it is a extremist part of what you will find in the mainstream media in the middle east for the longest times. women are searching for the goal and the purpose for themselves themselves, and loft the islamic clerics have been preaching for them to be good wives and all of these things but isis is taking it to the extreme. it is unfortunate circumstances really but we are leading it to the extreme that it is. and isis have a clear vision towards women, and we are giving them a purpose, and providing them safety, and they are giving them a goal or the role in the

jihad issues, and we need to counteract it with a vision and alternative, and right now, this alternative is simply not available at least in the middle east. >> and i want to know what she means, because she did not give details about the roles in the paris attacks. >> well, i think it is clear now that she had sworn allegiance to the attacks, but for a woman to go to swear allegiance is not unusual. you had the jihadists in palestine where women enjoy equality in the movements and are in fact suicide bombers and fighting the jihad along with the men. so her showing up to becoming a revered member of the group does not come as a surprise to me. >> i want to talk about kayla mueller, because sources told

cnn that kayla may have been paired with a male isis fighter in her captivity, and what do you think of that? >> i think it is consistent of the news that is coming out of isis. i just came from the middle east, and the iraqi women and in controlled territories are re reporting the forced marriages of anyone under the age of 45, they are reporting mass rain and anyone who does not follow up with the way they look or how they should be covered, they are reporting the sex slaves of women sold from $90 to $400, and the fact that kayla may have been forced into to a marriage is very kon sis the tent to isis practices, and isis controlled territories territories, and most unfortunate to what happened to her. >> and what are the sources telling you, bob? do you think that it is an accurate account? >> well lett me tell you what i know for certain, and what i believe to be certain is that until may, kayla was being held with doctors without borders

pers personnel three other women who got to know her very well. they said that she, while she was in turkey she had converted to islam, and met a young syrian man and she traveled with him to work to try to work with doctors without borders, and grabbed that same day. the doctors said that she was treated actually respectfully and let me put that it way. i think that at the end of the day, the islamic state killed her for some propaganda reason or in revenge. but they did treat her well, and they also treated the european women well too and they did not try to iselle them. they looked at them as more of a burden for them to hold and they were happy to get rid of the three doctors without borders personnel. while they were in negotiations to get rid of her, and asked for money for kayla and the e negotiations fell through, and what happened after may, i can't

say, but if she was sold off, that would not have been the pattern, and she certainly was not sympathetic to the islamic state even while in captivity, and if it happened, it did not happen willingly and by the way, they thought that she was a great girl. >> should we read anything into the, that kayla's family obtained pictures of her wrapped in a burial shroud and very dif different from the beheading videos that we have seen from isis in the past. >> well, they recognized that she had converted to islam, and though they executed her like the pilot, they wanted to show respect for the muslim and maybe it sounds twisted and by bizarre to us, but that is the way they looked at it. they did not treat her like the women who were sold into the state, and this perverted

religion they have adopted like the pilot was killed as well. >> and i wanted to get your opinion about the president asking for more war powers today from congress. >> with your help we will ultimately destroy this group. >> and quickly, what do you think of this first zaneab and then bob? >> well, the way to defeat isis and we can spend as much as we want on the military campaigns, but really, it is an ideological war against the muslims, and they have to create an alternative vision of isis, and that is ultimately the way to have it and that is what the hijacking of the religion and identity crisis within the religion and we have to have openness and freedom of the discussion and right now the al

alternative voices, the liberal voices being persecuted and put in prisons by other governments and being lashed to be talk g aing about the liberal islam, and so this is an ideological war, and we do need the military war, but it can be defeated with the ideology. >> bob, i'm up against the break, but what do you think, bob? >> well, i believe she is right. when they are up against it it will be crushed ap it has happened in the past and it will be defeated this perverted ideology, and they will be one day. >> thank you, both of you for coming on. >> pleasure. and breaking news to report to you. cbs correspondent bob simon has died. the 73-year-old has been killed in a car accident here in new york city. simon was known for reporting on some of the biggest stories around the world. his career in news spanned half a century, and earned him countless awards in the respect of his colleagues.

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the american sniper trial is under way in texas and we had a dramatic first day of testimony today, and cnn's brook savage -- martin savage has more. >> reporter: like the blockbuster book of his movie, the trial is doing the same. the trial to get in for the trial started way before the sun came in. >> how do you plead? >> not guilty your honor. >> reporter: former marine eddy ray routh killed chris kyle and his best friend at a shooting range. and the legal debate is over why. >> this time the state will be allowed to present opening statements. >> reporter: in the opening statements the attorney said that he knew what he was doing

when he shot both men in the back of the head and back. he used two guns and took the time to reload before fleeing in kyle's pickup truck, and the same truck that routh was driving when he was arrested af a police chase. >> he did intentionally a cause the death of these two men, and when he did so, did he know what he was doing was wrong? those are the two ultimate issues that we are going to ask you to decide. >> reporter: the defense argues that routh is innocent because of reason of insanity, and they blame it because of the post-traumatic stress suffered from serving over seas for his country. >> and in this tragedy, eddie ray routh not only was suffering from a severe mental disease or defect and not only did he not know that the conduct was wrong, he thought that he had to take their lives, because he was in

dang danger. >> reporter: and then the defense delivered a bombshell, chris kyle's own words in the form of a text that kyle sent littlefield. at the time they were in the front seat of the truck with routh seated behind them on the hour and a half drive to the gun range that day. >> he texted "this this dude is straight up nuts. i"" this dude is straight up nuts. >> reporter: moments later. >> chad littlefield texted chris kyle back right behind you, watch my six. >> "watch my six" is military speak for watch my back. a short time later, they would both be dead and the messages they shared could be a key assist to the defense of the man who killed them. the first witness was chris kyle's widow. under trial rules we can broadcast the video of the

testimony, but no sound. even without words it was emotional as the mother of two choked up and wiped her eye, and the courtroom was shown pictures of the husband. chris kyle is known as a hero and as a sniper watched over the troops in iraq and as a civilian reached out to those like himself struggled with the aftermath of war, and a story so touching that it became a box office hit, and continues to show at the cinema just up the street where his murder is on trial. and now joining us again is the judge belvin perry who presided over the casey anthony trial, and judge seidlin who presided over the anna nicole

trial and judge ma bshgsbelean. how difficult is it to mount a insanity defense? >> only 1% of defendants have raised the insanity defense, and in that one percent, only 25% are successful in it. but when you raise the defense of insanity, they can find him guilty or not guilty or the third choice is not guilty by reason of insanity. and if they find him not guilty by reason of insanity he is not walking out of that courthouse. the judge has the power in the texas statute like in most states that the judge will put him in a mental institution, and the judge can put him in a mental institution for as much time as he could have put the defendant in jail. so it is this defendant, routh, is going to be in jail for the

rest of his life. either guilty or he'll be in a jail or guilt or not guilty in the mental institution, and so it is a lousy defense. if someone was in the right mind, they would tell the attorney not to plead not guilty by insanity, because you are not walking out of that building. you are either going to jail or a mental hospital. >> you agree, judge perry? >> i totally agree with judge seidlin. it is a defense that rarely wins. even if you have all of the ex experts conclude that he is insane at the time i recently had h a case about a year ago where all of the experts said that the guy was insane at the time, but the prosecution argued fact versus opinion, and they found him guilty of murder in the first degree, and he has been sentenced to life. >> i wanted to talk about the text message with chris kyle

that he sent to the friend chad littlefield while driving to the range, and they were both sitting in the front seat and ruth was ride manage the back, and he said, this dude is straight up nuts and is the defense using his own word ss to mount the defense? >> i think that he is using his own words, and not only that but it was his conduct not just typing the words, but he said i took him under my wings, because hi mother told me that he was having problems adjusting to the real world since he had come back pr war. and saying that a man is totally nuts and then you take him to the range with a gun, woo! that seems that you are also had some idea that you were treading on some deep water, and you were likely in trouble. so i think that it will help the defense, but i'm just concerned about the way we treat our soldiers when they return home. and something has to be done

about that, because when they re return home from war. war is not real and reality, and when you are constantly hearing the gun fire and the shooting around you, there needs to be some type of debriefing quote, unquote, for those who return from war, and they should not be put into society immediately, and not going back to the familys immediately. they should debrief them in some place like three or four or six months just like they do when they have been held captive, because they need to learn how to be reintroduced into normalcy and that is the sad part, because all of the men had given their lives and served our country, and to end up dead on your country's soil behind someone who is your fellow brother that you are trying to hep,e held held -- trying to help is the sad part of aulll of this.

>> and even chris kyle. and judge perry, "american sniper" running for best picture at the oscars, and now chris kyle's killer in court in texas, and how does all of this influence a jury? >> well the jury is going to be moved about it. but the bottom line when you look at the whole thing under texas law is whether or not the evidence will establish whether he knew that his conduct was wrong. if the evidence establishes that he knew that his conduct was wrong, thaey are going to find him guilty and that is going to be the bottom line that i agree with the judge mabelean that we need to do more, but this trial is go ging to center if he was acting bizarre crazy, nutty and whether or not he knew that his

conduct was wrong at the time that he murdered those two individuals. >> i have ten seconds here quickly, judge. >> and don, also, also, and don, also, the jury thinks that if they find him not guilty by reason of insanity he is walking out of the building but he is walking out of the courthouse and they don't know that the judge is then going to put him in the mental hospital. the jury does not know this, and the public does not know that and that is a big issue. >> and the jury is not supposed to the know that. and the fact of the post-traumatic stress disorder, and the veterans belief they are still in war and still being -- okay. >> that is it. all right. thank you. we will continue this. we will have you back. thank you very much. "american sniper" is not the only movie putting the spotlight on real life events. up next hollywood gets real. t that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables

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wrote the movie about the movie which is about breaking the wartime code the so-called enigma machine. >> i like to solve wartime problems a problems, and the enigma is the most difficult. >> and it is not a problem, it is the french and the jergermans and the americans think that it is unbreakable. >> well let me try and we will know for sure won't we. >> well it starts out he is not lovable or humble guy, but in the beginning, a, but it is fas fascinating, and why did you want to make this movie about him? >> well, it is impossible not to be fascinate and enraged when you hear the story about him. it is almost as if allan albert

ion einstein was not brilliant because he was a gay man. >> and he was confident about his abilities, wasn't he? >> yes, he was about celebrating those who are in many ways different. he was like a outsider and never fit in. >> and that is at least a bigger part of the movie than the sexuality as it turns out. he is a gay man and falls in love with a boy from school, and that is a crime in the 1940s in britain. and then it progresses from there, and it is punishable by imprisonment but he had to make a tough choice, and what happened? >> well, here is the thing. he had to and this came from a break-in at his house that somebody decided to break in and find something from him, and in that investigation, they delearn that he is gay, and so he was having to choose between two years in prison or chemical castration which is horrible.

>> and there is a clip that he chose castration, and here is the clip. >> i don't continue my treatment, they will they will take him a waiway from me. you can't let them do that. you can't. you can't let them. >> so he was basically reduced from a marathon runner and he was pretty close to the holding the record for the marathons to a wreck. he dies in 1952. what did you learn about him after he was arrested and what can you tell us about giving away the movie? >> well, he lost so much. first of all, he lost his security clearance. he could not work on the project

project. he was being ridiculed. i mean he wrote something in the letter he says that to alan turing lies with machine and therefore he cannot think. so he was ridiculed because he was publicly a gay man. >> do you think that, chad, now you are at least trying to get the people who were initially indicted or found guilty of this act thousands of them you are trying to get them pardoned as what happened with alan and is this movie a call to action for you? >> there is no question that it is. look, this movie does a lot of things. it tells the heroic story of a man who as martin was describing he not only brought about the end of the war when it did and saved millions of lives, but he is the father of computerr science as we know it today, and yet he was persecuted and ultimately died because of who he was, because of that he is a gay man.

alan the turing should be a household name and because of the movie, i thanks to it, i hope that millions will know who sis alan turing, but in addition, the uk government pardoned him as they should have in 2013, but the 49,000 -- >> 36 year ss after he died by the way. >> yes, and 49,000 other uk it ist zens went through exactly what alan went through, and they deserve the same pardon, and there is a change.org petition that thousands upon thousands of people sign ded and i hope that the uk government will acknowledge that incredible harm that was caused to the citizens all across that country, and do good by them and their legacies and the familys by pardonning all 49,000 of them. >> and thousands of them are still alive. remember, that this law existed up until the 1960s. >> and there is the actor who

has beenneen passionate about play playing this character benjamin couple ber batch. >> he is a hero. >> and he is nominated for best picture, and best actor, and your hope for the movie and the message behind it. >> i hope that it is a movie that celebrates differences in people people. this is also the movie that shows the ugly face of prejudice, and the dire consequences it can have. i hope that it makes people h think. i hope and know that people are getting aware of alan turing and he is getting the rightful place in history. >> good luck, and i hope that you have a speech written in some way. >> i will. >> and i don't want to jinx you, but let's hope that we will say

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