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u.s. helicopter gun ships are fighting isis. the town taken over by isis today is just miles from an important air base which at this moment is home to more than 300 american troops. that base was attacked just after daybreak by suicide bombers. most if not all, wearing iraqi military uniforms. iraqi soldiers killed the militants but the battle around this air base has been going all day. the town gives the militants a strong footholds from which to launch further attacks on that air base. american officials say there's no plans to evacuate the more than 300 americans there tonight. we're going to speak to the pentagon spokesman in a
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momentum. first, as we cover this breaking story from around the world our chief national security correspondent broke the news of the latest battle. he's in washington tonight. our phil black is in northern iraq. jim, let me start with you with the latest that you have. what more have you learned about this u.s. operation with the gun ships? >> we're lernarning that u.s. helicopters were deployed today. we're hearing now from eyewitnesss of heldicopter gun ships in action and support. it's a sign with that deploy here. the reports from the ground here of just how serious this isis a assault has been. >> the attack on this air base more than 300 u.s. troops are on that air base tonight. how close did the isis militants
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get to the troops? >> not close to the troops. they were several mile ace way. that's why the pentagon insists that they were never under any direct threat and particular while the iraqi security forces were dealing with it on the ground. >> if you can put this into context trying to understand. up in one base not this one but one base and it's sort of just desert and you come up to the base and it's almost like you don't know you're getting to it and it's one entrance another. they are very large. this one in particular my understanding is incredibly large. >> yeah big, sprawling city like. often compared to boulder colorado which helps explain how the attack could happen on one side. those u.s. troops could be
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several miles away but still within the same facility. this is within that big province that you mentioned. it's increasingly under isis control. they already control about 70%. that control is expanding. they are getting closer to this facility as well. >> the 300 u.s. troops stationed at that base at this moment obviously are in danger. they're at risk. where are they relative to these isis positions? >> there's four places outside of baghdad that you have u.s. military forces deployed. one is at air base where you have the assault today. another up here in the north. another just to the north and west of baghdad and another to the south. let's look then at where isis positions are. the red areas are under isis control.
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the orange areas where isis is carried out attacks. now you see how they are. but, listen, they're not combat troops but as they mover out further the field they're much closer to combat. the admiral acknowledging that. they are closer to danger as well. >> phil, you have been embedded. you have been with the forces where the battles are being faug.faug fought? what's your experience now? what's your perception as to whether isis is gaining ground or not? >> reporter: it's two different stories. in the west where this attack took place this is an area where isis is still very much on the offensive. it's still moving forward claiming ground on the iraqi army isn't able to deal with it. here in the north, it's been
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substantially more effective in their abilities to not just stop but contain and roll back many of the gains that isis has made. here on the ground they control big towns and cities that isis stronghold. the moral, the feeling among the kurdish fighters is they are winning. that does not mean victory is im imminent. they are awaiting for the iraqi army to be ready to lead the charge. >> waiting as americans are trying to train the iraqis. thank you. phil black on the ground and jim sciutto breaking the news. thank you both. outfront tonight, pentagon spokesman john kirby. let me start with the news you just heard jim reporting. we understand there's a new u.s. operation under way in which apache helicopters are engaging with isis. can you tell us more about that
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whether they are in direct combat? >> i'm not at liberty to talk too much about ongoing operations but i can tell you we assess it's still contested in environment. as i said earlier today we continue to want to put pressure on isil larpge part is apply by the security forces. again, i'm a little by tied to what i can talk about. >> to that specific operation. even as that's ongoing, you're talking about the iraqi military. you've also said most, if not possibility all of the attackers were wearing iraqi uniforms. do you have any indication of where they goes those? that's very troubling. >> it is troubling, and no we don't. we don't have any firm answers. it was something the iraqi security forces who defending that perimeter noticed very
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clearly that they were wearing the uniform pps. >> are you worried they could have a lot more and this could cause a bigger problem? you could be able to infiltrate look as though you were friendly when you're not. >> one of the things we have learned over 13 years of war against groups like this is they try to conduct these insider attacks. a large part is that kind of deceptive maneuver that kind of deceptive capability. it's something we're mindful of. we noticed it in this case. it's safe to say that everybody there at central command and the joint task force will be watching this closely. >> are you comfortable calling this an insider attack? >> no i don't know that we call it an insider attack now. i think it was a deceptive tactic to try to gain access to the perimeter. it doesn't work. i think it's important as we
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get, we watch this and everybody's interested in this attack and it's very dramatic note that iraqi security forces were right on top of it. they responded quickly and bravely and effectively. they absolutely did not achieve any of their ends any of their goals. >> they're still fighting at this time to try to achieve those. do you know how many of those isis fighters were involved at least in the initial attack? >> what we think is, we think about 20 to 25. we think eight were suicide attackers with the intent of shocking the system and helping gain access to the fighters that flowed in after them. the fighters that came after them we expect 15 total. >> in terms of why this is so significant. it's significant because there's more than 300 american personnel on this base. it's a big base. it's about 25 square miles, size
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of boulder, colorado. you said that american troops in your words were a couple of miles away from the attack. >> that's right. >> that sounds very close. out of 25 that's close. you have more than 300 americans there. it sounds like that might be. >> there's a difference between saying that troops are on the ground in a combat mission, which they're not, and united states troops could be involved in combat in iraq. we already are involved in combat in iraq. we conducted more than 2,000 air strikes in iraq and syria total. the difference is these guys on the ground are trainers. they have the right, the responsibility, obligation and the capable of defending themselves should they come under threat. they absolutely will do that. >> thank you very much. we appreciate your time tonight.
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>> my pleasure. next disturbing new video from isis tonight showing men inside cages with dozens of people chanting and snapping pictures. we'll look at the propaganda machine of isis. the murder of three muslim students in north carolina. president obama saying no one should be targeted for how they worship. did he say this was a hate crime? my guests are the fathers of the victim. also aaron hernandez, the former nfl star on trial for murder. new details on what investigators say they found at the crime scene. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently,
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tonight very disturbing video showing prisoners in cage lgs held at the hands of isis fighters in iraq. the footage was released by isis. it shows the militants driving vehicles holding men wearing orange jump suits inside cages. you can see dozens of people watching. we cannot authenticate the video. isis propaganda most of it you see is like that. it's beheadings. it's people in cagcages, someone
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burned alive. isis is trying to show they can provide services that's key to getting people to join the fight. >> reporter: classroom full of chimpb children writing on the board. this could be any elementary school only that's an isis flag behind the teacher's desk. isis is increasingly using kids as pawns in their propaganda war. >> i think it's exceptionally dangerous. the reason is they have a number of different platforms. they create content in different languages. >> reporter: no terror group has ever had a propaganda machine as sophisticated and dangerous as isis. showing brutal murders to shock the west. false promise offense a moral society to destabilize the
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mideast. isis uses women and children to cater its message to different groups like those seeking a stable islamic state and those lured by savage violence like this video showing an elementary school age executioner. >> approximately eight years of age and younger. >> reporter: kids smiling and cheering brought to watch the murder of the jordanian pilot on large screens. their innocence consumed by brutal propaganda. the reality of life for children of isis. the experts say it's important to watch the videos and study them and analyze them because they contain clues about how isis operates. perhaps valuable intelligence for the coalition trying to stop them. >> thank you very much.
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buck let me just take a look at two of those videos that will showed us. one isis fighters training children. we saw children right there. it's fighting but you see one, was a toddler even and another one of the kids in school learning at an isis school. who is isis targeting with these videos. >> they are try to construct a narrative. it's a long term, multigeneration project. they want people to show up and stay and create a life there. what you see is the top down mobilization of the entire society for the purpose of jihad. this is not a state sponsor of terror. it's a terrorist state. that's what these videos are trying to make sure their recruits will see. they have tens of thousands of
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foreign fighters showing up. it's a level of propaganda we've never seen before from terrorist groups like this. they are operating radio stations television stations. they are going with this message all over the world. so far it's had some real effect. >> we keep hearing the group is so barbaric. the groups have alientatated those that would be sympathetic. they are out paving a road. some of the roads are horrible. they are establishing a school for islamic studies in iraq. if they're able to do these kinds of things are they going to win over more people? the people who matter. you can't just have a bunch of fighters on a territory. you have to have the people that
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live there accept them. >> they are showing you that they have courts schools. they have distribution centers. they are issuing license plates. they are setting up media. they're going after different groups. they have a separate set of videos that go after the deaf demographic they're trying to recruit. that's mostly on social media. the numbers are astounding. we're seeing tens of thousands, tens of thousands of people wanting to join isis including from the west. they're very good at targeting what they do. >> buck one thing i was talking to someone, a source that i met in northern iraq who has done business in the country very recently. he said isis replaced the iraqi
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telecon chief and that guy focused like laser on getting high speed internet. they wanted that and they wanted people to have it. the iraqi government completely failed to pass that. if isis succeeds in doing that they look a lot better than the a iraqi government. it would seem better to the people that want peace, quiet and the lights to work. >> they provide services in a way better than the national government. by trying to do theeds thingse things they are planning on the shia government and the fears of an uprising. you're right. this is the kind of thing that is effective. people see services being provided. they sigh some degree of safety and order.
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it might be a much tougher fight than people realize. i think they're trying to capitalize on that and grow it. >> what about the video, the one of the militants putting forces inside the cages that we were just showing. we can't confirm it. what's it supposed to do recruit or cause fire? >> this a psychological operation. this pis aimed at the kurds. it might be pretty effective. that's weighing on the minds of the fighters. it's pure psychological operations and effective. >> thank you very much. outfront is now global. it airs on saturday and sunday
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this weekend. we're going to talk about whether the u.s. government could have mounted a rescue operation sooner for james foley. that's this weekend on cnn international. new information about the man charged with murdering three muslim students and our exclusive interview with the fathers of the victims. why they are convinced this was a hate crime. breaking news at this hour. a fire at an islamic center in houston tonight. investigators say they are not ruling out arson. we'll have the latest, next. income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals antioxidants and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™.
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breaking news. fire destroying a islamic building in houston. the fire was set intentionally. a member of the mosque was told by arson investigators that an accelerant was found on the scene. it's frightening and troubling incident especially in light of the shooting in north carolina this week. tonight, president obama breaking his silence over deaths of three muslim students in
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north carolina in a statement today. the president called the murders of the couple brutal and outrageous adding no one in the united states of america should be targeted because of who they are, what they look like or how they worship. in a moment we'll speak to the fathers of those three victims. jason carol is out live in chapel hill tonight. i know you have been talking to people there, who know the victims, know the shooters. what are neighbors telling you about the suspect? >> reporter: they're saying a number of things. they're saying this man who quite clearly had an obsession, if you will, over parking in the area. had a temper as well. since he took his aggression out on so many people in that particular neighborhood why then did he target this one particular family. loved ones showing up friday afternoon at the apartment complex where the shooting took place. they examined a car belonging to
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one of the victims and picked up flowers left beside it. she heard the shots and called 911 and is still trying to come to terms with what happened. >> i just keep hearing thaer inging their screams in my head. i heard them alive and then i heard them struggling and then i heard them dead. it's really emotional. yeah. >> i'm so sorry. i just feel bad for the family. >> reporter: the victim's honda accord parked in the same spot since tuesday's shooting. the apartment and the cars assigned to it still at is center of the investigation. craig hicks shot and killed deah barakat, his wife yusor and her sister, razan.
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the shooting is shown to be an ongoing dispute over parking. neighbors say hicks had a temper especially who was parking where. >> i heard he yelled at you because of parking. >> yeah. i parked at that parking lot over there. as i was leaving he just came out to talk to me. a little bit agitated and said you shouldn't be parking here. i was kind of surprised anyone cared that much about parking. at the time i thought nothing of it. >> reporter: hicks not only had a reputation with his neighbors but also with the local tow truck company. >> when they said it was parking dispute over there not too surprised. >> reporter: one tow truck operator said hicks was a nuisance daulcalling them on a regular basis until enough was enough. >> he was no longer to call car in. if he called we wouldn't go
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out. >> reporter: management handed out this memo reminding residents where their signed spots were located. according to the memo, hicks was assigned to this spot 20c. the car belonging was assigned right next to it 20b. whatever the motive three young lives are now gone. their family and friends agonizing over the loss. apparently at one point one of the victims telling her father saying daddy, i think this man hates us because of who we are. erin. >> jason, thank you very much. the fathers of those victims. thank you both for being with us tonight. i first want to say how sorry i am and no parent can imagine truly what you're both suffering
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right now. i'm sorry. i want to give you a chance to tell everyone what you believe happened here. this is the first the time you've been speaking out. what do you know about what happened on tuesday night? >> basically, that this individual knocking on the door and going in and shooting three innocent most loving children that you would ever want to meet right in the neck. not just one, not two, but all three of them. >> your daughters told you about this man. they had told you, you just heard our reporter saying that you said your daughter said he
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hates us because of who we are. hates us because of our religion. how afraid was she? what else did she tell you? >> before i say that allow me to say that we're not talking about hate crime because we want revenge or anything else. we're not after a punishment. we are talking because if anything our children lost their lives for, we want to protect other children who look unique and different all over the country. we want this country to stay united like my daughter the president as she said we're all one. yusor came to me two or three weeks before her murder and shared with me that this neighbor picked on parking slots before but she felt the way he talked to her was very hateful
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and very condescending. it doesn't take much to feel hate, erin. you don't read hate. you don't understand hate. you feel hate. she was concerned. she was so innocent and pure. she did not think he would go the whole way. this suggests he called the police and reported. i even got a restraining order. i left that up to her and her husband. i did not want to intrudes on this newlywed couple. somebody told me they did call the police. i'm not sure about that. it was narrated in one newspaper. i don't remember which one. it's not a domestic news that they called. they were told there was no reason for the police to intervene because he did not do anything wrong to flash his gun in front of them. i'm not sure about that. i'm sure my daughter felt hated and she said literally, daddy i think it's because the way we look and the way we dress.
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also remember that my son in law, deah lived there for year and a half before yusor got married to him. he never complained about that man up to my knowledge. he was engaged. he never complained of this man. yusor feel when she moved in with her unique muslim garb and her friends became visitors because, she was still being congratulated for the wedding. i've only visited her once in the apartment since she got married. she felt he escalated. >> she did. what's your perception of how things changed? do you think things changed when yusor and razan nooufed in. they were clearly muslim as opposed to deah who would not have been so obvious.
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did things change when they moved in? >> i've never heard anything from deah complaining about the neighbor or about parking before. never really heard anything about it until unfortunately right after the incident. the actually razan was just there visiting. she just come from raleigh visiting her sister for a couple of hours. for both of them to just be intimidated like that it's just unreal. unreal. >> my i add something to what i said? >> yes. >> one thing i forgot to say. you've got to realize deah looked very white. 6'3" tall athletic.
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always wearing sports attire. deah was probably mistaken by this guy for the average white kid. if this guy was picking on people for parking for years that's i heard, then definitely he picked up his victims based on who they were when my daughter moved in. >> let me ask you and this is hard question to ask but i think it is important. the fbi is investigateing whether this is hate crime. they are not made a decision. i know you feel in your heart that this was a hate crime. you said this something you feel in terms of how someone treats you. it's not something you know but you feel. whn when you look through the shooters online posting. he was anti-religion but there was nothing specifically against islam. i want to read you one thing he posted just to see how this makes you feel if this influence what is you think. he challenged someone who was saying that muslims were the
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ones who caused the 9/11 attacks. here is what he wrote to this person. quote, you of all people are smart enough know those rr were extremists. they were not practicing islam anymore than jim jones or david korash practiced christianity. when you hear that does it make you think it was just a horrible person obsessed with guns and parking spot and did something horrific but not based on religion? >> it's not really easy to understand these people with such mentality. he might have argued with somebody and might have been right one time and very intelligent intelligent. i hear he's in school at unc. he's not a naive or uneducated person. why after all these years zone
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in on this family? just had somebody who had the husband mim attire. why execution style? if you're angry with somebody and enraged and full of anger, you shoot in the chest, face neck knee and you run away. why execution style? why razan 19-year-old was executed in the back of her head when she just came to visit and was not involved in this to start with? to do this this way you must have a lot of hate. this is again, something felt at the level of your guts. it's a visceral feeling. >> it's an important one. we all can hope for you that the right answer is reached here. thank you again, both of you for coming on in this time of incredible pain. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> thank you very much. next we have new details in
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murder trial involving aaron hernandez. the judge ruling today the jurors will be allowed to see surveillance video that apparently shows hernandez dis dismantling what would be a crucial piece of evidence a cell phone. susan is out front in fall river, massachusetts. >> reporter: night odil lloyd's body is found among dirt piles in an industrial park police quickly find clues. >> inside of that we located a massachusetts driver's license which we were able to id the man lying on the ground.
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>> reporter: keys to car rented by former patriot tight end, aaron hernandez. about four hours later it leads investigators straight to the star football player's home about 10:00 that same night. this video from his own security cameras shows two investigators trying to find him. >> what is trooper doing? >> knocking on the door. >> what you doing? >> ringing the doorbell. >> reporter: lights are on but no answer. jurors watch investigators on video using flashlights looking around the house. at one point one cop uses his hands to boost his partner high enough to peek inside hernandez's garage window looking for the rental car. the defense demands to know why hernandez should have to answer his door at that hour. >> do you know of any requirement that a private citizen has to answer his door at 10:30 at night, sir?
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>> no. >> reporter: finally hernandez comes outside telling them he was watching them on the security system. police ask him about odin lloyd and a rental car. >> he said his boy o has it. he said he was up his way yesterday. >> reporter: police testify hernandez gets aggravated. >> he became upset and turned away from us. >> reporter: he goes to the police station voluntarily but is not arrested until nine days later. prosecutors also show new crime scene photos. two bullets, one with fibers. they say sifted from dirt below the victim shot six times. a ..22 caliber pistol found in a wooded area just outside the crime scene. it's not the murder weapon still missing. on cross-examination, the defense repeatedly attacks investigators accusing them of sloppy work measuring the crime scene. >> you wrote five to ten foot that was not accurate. is that what you're telling us?
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>> it was approximate. >> would you agree that was a mistake? >> did anybody measure it? >> we did not. we weren't instructed to take any measurements. >> reporter: the defense fights it but the judge rules the jr.ury can see a surveillance video that could hurt aaron hernandez. on this video he's seen taking apart his cell phone while sitting in his attorney's car in the police parking lot. then he borrows his lawyer's car to call ernest wallace who was charged with lloyd's murder. the defense says this is a violation of attorney-client privilege but the judge said no way. hernandez had no expectation of privacy sitting in that open police parking lot. erin we could see that video tape as early as next week. >> all right. i cannot wait to see that. thank you. paul is with me. okay. you dismantle your cell phone and get into another car to call
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someone else who is allegedly there. pretty damming. >> when i first heard this story i thought it was very damming baa because the initial reports is he was taking it apart. he puts the battery back in phone when he gets the lawyers phone to look up the number he's calling. why would he do that? the only theory that i have is that people think that there's technology out there and i think you had a guest on the show who said that you can turn a phone into a micro phone and ease drop. he thought the cops had his phone wiretapped and he was about to call an accomplice in the case. so, he gets his lawyer's phone to make the call because he knows that one is not tapped. i think that's what the prosecutor is going to argue that this means. >> this will be fascinating.
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we see the video next week. thank you very much. i also have to say 9:40 at night, you know. you should be able to answer your door. i will say that. it shouldn't take you 45 minutes to get to the door. >> they weren't in uniform. you notice that. next ruth bader ginsburg on the truth about why she slept during the state of the union. >> when that, at least i wasn't 100% sober because before we went to the state of the union. . ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza. he said victoza works differently than pills and comes in a pen. victoza is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c. it's taken once a day, any time. and the needle is thin. victoza is not for weight loss but it may help you lose some weight. victoza is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it is not recommended as the first
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a supreme court justice admits tofg a little booze and taking a snooze. during the weekend getaway? no. on the job, during the state of the union. reveals that and so much more with her buddy, yes, they are buddies. justice scalia during a scandalous discussion. pamela brown is out front. >> why don't you call us the odd couple? >> reporter: justices antonin scalia and ruth ginsburg two minds with the closest friendship on the bench. >> what's not to like except refusal of the law of course. >> reporter: sharing a laugh about ginsburg's sleeping habits at the state of the union. >> the audience for the most part is awake because they're bowing up and down all the time and we sit there stone faced, sober judges but we're not, at least i wasn't 100% sober because before we went to the
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state of the union, we had dinner together. and justice kennedy -- >> that's the first intelligent thing you've done. >> so i got a call and i came home from one of my grandmothers and she said, bubby, you were sleeping at the state of the union. >> reporter: sharp as a tack 81-year-old even admitted she's had occasional help staying awake from now retired justice david soouduter. >> he had an acute sense when i was about. so he would give me a pinch. >> reporter: ginsburg nicknamed notorious rbg and scalia known as nino have close families. admiring pint sized partner's taste for adventure. >> and ruth honest to goodness went up behind a motor boat in a
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sail -- >> not a sail. >> she's so light, you'd think she would never come down. >> reporter: their political differences and elephant in the room they aren't afraid to confront or ride as they did in india. >> that was a rather bumpy ride. >> and some of her feminist friends gave me a hard time or her a hard time because she rode behind me on the elephant. big deal. i'm not kidding. >> it was, the driver explained it was a matter of distribution of weight. >> reporter: a lot of laughs and the unlikely friendship will soon take center stage. a comic opera inspired by different opinions premiers in july and virginia. more to come.
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erin? >> thank you so much pamela. i got to say, if they can be buddies, why can't congress get anything done? >> reporter: i think a lot of people are saying that today. >> that's right. all right, thanks to pamela and we'll be right back. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute
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thank you so much for joining us. have a wonderful weekend. happy valentine's day. set your dvr to record outfront to watch anytime. "ac360" with john berman starts right now. john berman sitting in for anderson. we begin with breaking news. blizzard warnings up again for a whole lot of people tonight. people thought the recent one two punch, actually one two three punch that buried them in three feet of snow and more in some places they thought it might be it for a while. nope. on the way, more snow hurricane force winds and now bitter bitter cold. so from the midwest to maine, tens of millions of people including those poor souls in boston are getting ready to face it all over again. let's bring in ivan cabrera