won't be engaged in another war that i don't think the united states has as a policy interest to pursue. but you know jake the fact is the president today and in speeches we have seen lately is preparing the country for the fact that this is a long time proposition, a war that will last beyond his presidency. >> thank you all so much for your analysis. i'm jake tapper. i turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. countering terror as isis launches a major new assault, officials from 70 countries gathering at the white house trying to find a way to fight back. so what is the new, the new u.s. strategy? isis recruiting. disturbing new information about the changing face of foreign fighters. why are more wealthy and educated people joining the terrorist forces? and new developments in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 almost one year after it vanished. the search for the missing

plane, that search zone is now narrowing. we will take you behind the scenes. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." let's begin with the breaking news. president obama speaking out at a white house summit on countering violent extremism, telling a gathering of global leaders the full force of the united states will be used to defeat isis. the president also defended his decision not to call the war against isis a religious conflict saying and i'm quoting him now, we are not at war with islam, we are at war with those who have perverted islam. we are covering all angles this hour with our correspondents our guests including the armed services committee member the iraq war veteran congresswoman tulsi gabbard. but let's begin with jim acosta. jim, tell our viewers what the president just said the main message he was trying to deliver. >> reporter: wolf i think the headline here no doubt about it is that president obama defended his decision not to use terms

like islamic extremism or islamic terrorism at this speech on a summit on countering violent extremeism. the president did not back down. he doubled down. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam. that's why isil presumes to declare itself the islamic state. we must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie. nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. they are not religious leaders. they are terrorists. >> reporter: during this speech that muslims are many times the victims of isis and groups like isis more so than people of other faiths around the world,

and the president also took note during this speech to mention the fact that these muslim americans who were killed down in chapel hill north carolina are from the islamic faith and there are muslims in this country who are very much afraid because of the attention that's been focused on their faith during this war on isis. the president wants to take the lessons learned at today's events at this summit today, which were really focused on these pilot programs that are taking place in cities like boston los angeles, minneapolis, where law enforcement and muslim communities are trying to break down barriers build up trust so they can work together to counter violent extremism. the president wants to share those lessons with foreign ministers and other world leaders who will be gathered at the state department tomorrow. there will be another speech from the president tomorrow. >> we have live coverage of that tomorrow morning as well. stand by. so who are the people being recruited by isis right now? top counterterror officials tell cnn increasingly they are not, they are not who you might think they are. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is joining us with more on this part of the story.

we heard the president make a similar suggestion these young recruits not all of them come from poor uneducated backgrounds. >> no question. i have been speaking to a senior british diplomat who is handling the terror threats specifically but who made a point reflected very much in the president's speech and that is the fact is today, there is not one single profile of the isis or al qaeda recruit. there's a familiar one, we talk a lot about, people who have fallen on hard times, they don't have jobs they don't have economic opportunity, and that holds for the region the middle east. you see it in europe you see it in the u.s. the fact is i have been told by senior officials that highly educated people even in the u.s. get attracted to this. more and more they are seeing counterterror officials are seeing women being attracted to the call of jihad with groups such as isis and others. you are even seeing people who are bringing their entire families women and their husbands bringing their children to this. that really broadens the profile that counterterror officials have to look out for as they try

to stop the spread of this threat. >> the president was not only speaking to the people who were there at the white house at this summit he was speaking to all of america. indeed he was speaking to all people around the world, including isis itself. >> no question. this is a key message of the president's speech. he is preparing the american public and isis on the other sides for a long war. but a different kind of long war, unlike the one we saw in iraq because it is not the president makes clear just going to be military action although the fact is when you speak to pentagon officials, military officials, any member of the coalition, it's going to take years of military action to stop the isis threat in iraq and syria. but it is also a long war of ideas. this is about fighting to wrest, in effect the religion of islam away from groups such as isis back to true islam. that's really his message which he gets into when the president again made his case that you can't call this islamic extremism because by doing that, you are in effect granting to

these extremists that they are islamic and that's part of the battle here. i spent almost a decade in the uk which has a very similar, frankly, much larger extremist problems on the ground they had a similar campaign in combatting violent extremism which the u.s. is drawing from. they are a key partner in this. the british officials have had some success but the fact is even after years of such a campaign, they still have a massive jihadi problem on the ground. hundreds of suspected cells, thousands of suspected jihadis so even when you push back it's a difficult war to win, difficult fight to win this war of ideas. >> i want to get some more analysis. peter bergen our national security analyst, is joining us. jay carney former white house press secretary, senior political commentator, is joining us as well. peter, first to you. isis i assume they were listening, they were watching the president of the united states not only isis terrorists but aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al shabab all of these various terror groups. how are they likely to react to

what the president of the united states just said? >> the same way they have reacted to every american president going back to bill clinton. they used to use pictures of bill clinton in afghanistan for target practice. it's not like -- the speech is not going to be persuasive to isis and aqap. it will be met with the contempt they show all american leaders. >> in other words, they won't be scared. they won't say to themselves we better stop this. is that what you're saying? >> no. clearly, we have launched a couple thousand air strikes. that hasn't seemed to have stopped their momentum in a lot of places. these people are not rational actors who suddenly are going to decide their views are somehow not right because of a presidential speech. >> jay carney my own sense is the president was also trying to deliberately address muslims around the world, arabs in particular saying you guys have to come on board, it's not just the united states who has got to take the lead you have to take the lead because isis and these

other terror groups represent a much bigger threat to you, whether in saudi arabia or jordan or egypt or any of these other countries in the region than they do to the united states. >> i think you are exactly right. i think what jim was saying about the long war is definitely true. i think we are seeing from the president in the way he's been talking about the military effort up until now and now in the way he's talking about this idealogical struggle he's laying the groundwork for a fact that is inescapable. this struggle against isis and other groups like it will continue well beyond his presidency and well into the next presidency and maybe beyond that. the idealogical component is not unlike in some ways what we saw during the cold war. not as half of a globe against another half of a globe, talking about ideology growing out of one religion but i do think the call for an awakening among muslims around the world is important because the threat is really on them both the violence threat but also the

threat to the safer nature of their own religion. they are appropriating islamism and perverting it for their own violent purposes and to gain territory but they are also trying to steal it away from the heretofor leaders of the global religion itself. >> let me get some more analysis. i want to bring in congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii key member of the house armed services committee and iraq war veteran herself. congresswoman, what do you think the president's main message, what do you think of that message and as you know he still is not saying what you want him to say, talking about radical islam, islamic extremism. he is making the case that would be counterproductive. >> aloha, wolf. yes, i think if you look at some of the conversations that have happened during the summit and the president's speech that we heard just a few minutes ago, still i think it is a diversion from where we need to be focused. if you look at this broad focus on countering violent extremism

which is very hard to define it's a diversion away from the actual threat coming from this radical islamic ideology that exists not only for the united states but really around the world. i think one of the things that is important to note is that the administration is misidentifying the enemy and their motivation by saying that they are motivated out of materialistic aspirations, that they are motivated out of poverty, of a lack of jobs or education or opportunity and as a result the courses of action that the administration is proposing are also materialistic in nature saying if we just alleviate poverty, if we create jobs and increase opportunity and institute this western style of democracy, that somehow this is going to solve the problem, when really, that's not the case. we can look to the past and see many different examples of where this has occurred whether you look at libya, you look at egypt, you look at what's being proposed with syria.

in each of these different instances, a dictator has been removed, there has been an attempt to institute a western style democracy in each of these cases. isis and islamic extremists are more powerful and presenting a greater threat than they did before. so that's why it's so important that we recognize that these people are being motivated from different parts of the world by a spiritual, a theological motivation this radical islamic ideology. >> i know it's not easy for you, a fellow democrat to criticize as strongly as you have criticized the president for refusing to use those words. but what do you think the president now needs to do. he has given a speech he will give another speech before this summit meeting countering violent extremism tomorrow morning. but to follow up what do you want him to do to crush isis and these other terror groups and i ask you as a veteran of the u.s. military who served in iraq. >> well you know the way that i look at this is from a

strategic standpoint and this is why i feel so strongly that it's important for the president, important for the white house, the administration the leaders in congress as well in both parties to recognize that we've got to learn from the mistakes of the past in order to effectively defeat this enemy that's threatening us and threatening the safety of the american people. and the first step that must come in order to do that is identifying and understanding who they are and what's driving them and executing a simultaneous military and idealogical strategy to defeat them. if we don't do that then we are going to continue to find ourselves in this endless cycle just as we have seen has occurred in the past over and over again. >> what difference would it make if he actually used the words you want him to use, radical islam or islamic extremism? in practical terms, what would the difference be? >> by identifying this ideology which is a theological one

that's driving them then you can look at where they are recruiting what are their methods of recruiting. you mentioned earlier in your piece that they are recruiting not only from places where people are poor but also from very rich democratic societies in these foreign fighters so by identifying who they are, then you can look at their tactics, at why they are doing what they're doing, the methods they are using to recruit and grow their support, and then understand okay, well this is what we need to do to defeat them in a way that is militarily as well as idealogically and send that strong message to people who are looking to what isis has to offer and say if you join them number one, we will defeat you militarily. you will be killed. and number two, the spiritual promise that they are selling that somehow this is pleasing to god is absolutely false, that you are not going to heaven you are going to hell if you follow that path and commit these a atrocities. >> please stand by. i have more questions for you

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we are following breaking news, president obama speaking at a summit involving countering violent extremism, saying the u.s. is not at war with islam. we are back with democratic congressman tulsi gabbard of hawaii a member of the house armed services committee, also an iraq war veteran.

congresswoman, the last few times you have been with me here in "the situation room" i have asked you since your initial criticism of the president for refusing to call it radical islam or islamic extremism or any of those phrases, whether anyone from the white house has contacted you, communicated with you, had a chance to speak with the president. last time you told me no one has. has that changed? >> it hasn't changed. i haven't had the opportunity to engage with him directly on this issue but it's an issue obviously that i feel strongly about, primarily because i have seen what can happen as has the rest of us cross the country when we don't clearly identify who our enemy is and the danger that that poses not only in the fact that our enemy will increase in their strength and in the threat that they pose to us and to others around the world, but also what happens when the leaders in our country both in congress as well as in the white house, we see back with the bush administration and now with this administration that they end up getting us into

conflicts and waging war against people who have not waged war against us. we saw just the other day the unfortunate incident of the beheading of these 21 egyptian coptic christians in libya and it is an opportune moment for us to look back at libya and look and see what happened and why is our country in this position today, that if our leaders at that time had not made that decision to go and overthrow and conduct a regime change with gadhafi who was actually working with us to fight against al qaeda, then we would not be in this position where isis continues to grow and gain territory within libya. >> what's stunning to me as someone who has covered washington for a long time is that no one from the white house, no congressional liaison, no national security council official forget about the president or vice president, but no one you are a fellow

democrat iraq war veteran, member of the house armed services committee, no one has gotten in touch with you and said let's have lunch, let's talk about this maybe there is some common ground we can discuss this. it's stunning to me that no one's bothered to pick up a phone and even discuss these issues with you. isn't that surprising to you? >> i don't know what to think about the operation in the white house or why or why not. my focus has really been on trying to convey the importance of this trying to have this conversation with people both here in hawaii in my community and other parts of the country with my colleagues in congress so that we understand the importance of it. that this is not just about whether someone uses one word or another word. there are very real consequences to this misidentification of who our enemy is because it's directly linked to the strategy that must be put in place in order to defeat them and to alleviate this threat to the safety of the american people. >> congresswoman, because i'm stunned by the fact that no one

from the white house has contacted you, i want you to hold on for a moment. jay carney former white house press secretary, is with us. he is now a cnn senior political commentator. jay, what's going on over at the white house? why wouldn't someone pick up the phone, talk to this -- she represents a huge military district in hawaii a lot of veterans live in hawaii as you know. she's got strong views. she is a fellow democrat. what's going on over there at the white house? >> i have to say i'm surprised, and i'm disappointed. i think that this is a perfect opportunity for the kind of conversation that you talk about to take place. and if i were that representative from the white house, if i were still there and working in the appropriate shop i think the conversation i would want to have with congresswoman gabbard is to explain to her i think the president's view which is it's clear from his speech and from his views that he believes that the attempt to radicalize muslims is key to the problem here and that that's creating the enemy. and he talked very clearly about

the perversion of islam. he didn't shy away from using that word. but i think his view is that in order to succeed in that idealogical fight as well as the military fight, we need allies and we need allies in the muslim community. and we don't want to alienate muslims who might want to help us both here in the united states in western europe and in the middle east and other muslim parts of the world. i think that's the reason for that separation. it is more semantic than anything. i don't think he ignored in his speech today the fact that the root of this extremism is within the attempt to pervert islam itself. >> you want to weigh in? >> the counterpoint you will have from critics of this policy is that yes, this is not a problem of the religion of islam but it is a problem within the religion of islam. you will often hear calls for louder voices from within the islamic faith, when you have crimes like we see, atrocities like we see calling out those groups in public taking a risk

and frankly, it is a risk to do that but still calling out in public folks who abuse the name of islam. and that's a fair criticism. >> i want to give congresswoman gabbard last word in this segment. congresswoman, tell us where the united states of america needs to go right now to not only degrade but to defeat and destroy isis. >> well just to respond to a couple of the comments that were made before i think you can point out the difference between the tone the words and the ideas that president obama is putting forward and contrast that with the comments and the words that we have heard and the direction that we have seen from moderate muslim leaders like the king of jordan like the president of egypt, people who are within the region who have directly called out this radical islamic ideology that's fueling this terrorism and directly addressing the fact that it must be defeated militarily as well as idealogically and that's really the direction that we need to go in working with

allies and partners like jordan like egypt, like others who are within the region and around the world who recognize that we've got to address both of these issues militarily and idealogically, head on. >> congresswoman gabbard, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you very much wolf. aloha. >> she's a member of the armed services committee. up next an inside look at why young criminals become radicals in prison. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day.

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united states will be used to defeat isis a group he says has perverted islam, insisting the united states is not at war with the muslim faith. let's bring in our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. you have some new details on the latest intense battles going on against isis. what are you picking up? >> reporter: well wolf we have seen a lot of talk in washington today on how there is no single military solution to isis but make no mistake, isis and the u.s. military are already making their next moves on the battlefield. in northern iraq kurdish fighters pushed back an isis offensive after more than five hours of firefights across several villages near the strategic kurdish city of erbil. because of so many civilians in the area it was some time before coalition air strikes could be launched. u.s. officials say erbil where dozens of u.s. military advisors have been located, was never at risk of being overrun.

but this area had been relatively quiet until just a few days ago. the new skirmishes underscore the u.s. view that isis is trying to divert attention from mosul, the next big battle. >> they will always want to see where their enemy is to protect mosul which is their key, but again, it would not surprise me if isis continues to move people into mosul and even if they lose people and have them killed on these skirmish battles. >> reporter: in syria, u.s.-backed operations against isis are growing. the u.s. will provide moderate rebel forces with trucks small arms and radios but in a potentially risky scenario the u.s. may decide to have rebels help call in air strikes. >> could we possibly get to a point where they might be able to help with spotting from the ground in syria for coalition air strikes, yes. that is a possibility. but it is only a possibility. >> reporter: in the fight for

kobani the u.s. used trusted kurdish fighters on the ground to locate isis targets. the risk this time? the rebels' intelligence won't be solid enough. >> if we decide to teach the syrian rebels how to call for fire the critical issue we have to be aware of is clearing those fires with the people on the ground and if we start getting collateral damage the blowback will come against the coalition. >> reporter: the pentagon also considering perhaps providing air support for those syrian rebels on the ground. >> we have an obligation and responsibility. the nature of that hasn't been decided so i can't tell you what it would look like right now. >> reporter: now, u.s. military officials are emphasizing they would never rely solely on syrian rebel intelligence on the ground to launch u.s. air strikes, that they would have to have some corroborating information. it's one way they say they will lower that intelligence risk. wolf? >> barbara, thank you. those deadly terror attacks in

denmark and paris, they are adding new urgency to a problem faced all around the world, including right here in the united states. why do some young muslims sent to prison for crimes come out az jihadists? brian todd is here with new insights into what's going on. >> tonight we are getting new information about the seemingly growing number of lone wolf terrorists who spent time in prison. the gunman in copenhagen had just been released when he launched his attacks. we dug into what goes on behind bars that radicalizes young criminals. he pledged allegiance to isis then attacked a copenhagen cafe and synagogue just two weeks after leaving prison. but danish intelligence tells cnn denmark's prison service had warned last year gunman omar abdel al hussain was at risk of radicalization. his path to jihad a key focus of the investigation.

a soes sociologist who talked with him said his isolation may have led to his radicalization. >> they have a feeling society is against them they are suppressed they are not accepted and religion is part of that story. we are not being accepted because we are muslims. >> reporter: but was he radicalized in prison where he served time for a stabbing? it's a good possibility. ann was in iraq a u.s. camp and wrote a program to demilitarize militants. >> people are in prison are very vulnerable. they can be attacked by other prisoners. if they are already a muslim or convert, they suddenly get into a group if it's a radicalized group and that group attracts them, they offer them a meaning and identity. >> reporter: one of the brothers who killed a dozen people in the "charlie hebdo" attack in paris was also radicalized in prison under a terrorist leader. amedy coulibaly, the paris gunman who conspired with the

kouachi brothers was in that same circle. experts say militant recruiters prey on the condition of young criminals in prison. >> detainees, people who are kept in cages, it radicalizes you, makes you angry, makes you mad. so these are perfect individuals to be recruited. >> reporter: u.s. officials are now faced with a massive challenge. how to prevent prisoners from becoming radicalized. experts say prison officials have to use surveillance and spies to figure out who the radical leaders are, then ask them and their followers hard questions. >> is this going to end good for you? is this going to work? are you going to get to where you want to get? because right now you are sitting in prison so it doesn't look like it's working for you and how could we direct you on a path that would be useful. >> reporter: could deradicalization programs have turned the isis leader al baghdadi around? that is not clear and it's not exactly certain when he turned into a radical.

some believe his radicalization could have started at that camp. officials we spoke to say that facility was not a turning point. they believe he was already on a path to radicalization when he was apprehended. >> he might have been but others presumably were not. even a lot of these rehabilitation programs don't work for these guys right? >> that's right. a lot of experts we talked to say many of these young radicals in prison if they are put through rehab programs they go along with them make their captors think they are being reformed but it's all a ruse. some of them go right back to jihad as soon as they're out. they say they have to have better tracking programs to practical them when they get out of these places. >> let's get more insight from our experts. joining us here in "the situation room," our cnn national security analyst peter bergen and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi. these individuals who are in prison and being radicalized presumably inside prison they are released for whatever reason they are free why is it

not more done to monitor them? >> first of all, there's too many. second, you don't know if it's actual radicalization. many people go to prison and while in prison end up joining a gang. they end up joining outside street gangs while they're in latin american drug cartels, the mafia, when organized crime was stronger in the u.s. and join islam. some may be legitimate and they find a new religion and they are going to be devout when they get out, but some use that to later become radicalized. you don't know what they're thinking. that's the biggest problem. >> it's a huge problem. how powerful a recruiting tool is this prison radicalization for groups like isis? >> well i think it depends which country you're in. in the states actually it's a very limited problem. i have looked at something like 250 cases of jihadi terrorists since 9/11 and very few of them radicalized in the american prison. it was a concern in the years after 9/11 but it's one of those things that didn't happen. in france where 10% of the

population is muslim yet 70% of the prison population is muslim those facts sort of speak for themselves. so the overwhelming number of prisoners in france are muslims and it's a disadvantaged group and that's why you see the kouachi brothers and others coming out of this system very angry. >> can more be done in prisons, not only in the united states but in europe elsewhere, to prevent this kind of radicalization from even beginning? >> well you can't, i think, because you would be keeping them from learning anything about another religion or associating with other prisoners, whether they're talking about joining bloods and crips or ms-13 from latin america or whichever group it might be. you would have to keep them apart, not let them talk to anybody, not even let them have a chance to join a religion. that includes christianity or becoming a jew or becoming a muslim. i don't think we can do that. the next thing is how to keep them from going too far to

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we have to address the grievances that terrorists exploit including economic grievances. poverty alone does not cause a person to become a terrorist. any more than poverty alone causes somebody to become a criminal. what's true though is that when millions of people especially youth, are impoverished and have no hope for the future when corruption inflicts daily humiliations on people when there are no outlets by which people can express their concerns resentments fester. the risk of instability and

extremism grow. >> we're back with tom fuentes and peter bergen. what do you think, the point the president is trying to make there? >> i think if he's going to raise a point about what makes them angry, the terrorists how about the fact that we're there? we have heard this since bin laden talked about it in 1991 when we assembled and led a coalition to kick saddam hussein out of kuwait. that started the whole argument. all of these infidels on sacred soil and we haven't left. we continue these wars we continued again with the iraq invasion in 2003. we are on their soil shooting their people allegedly good or bad people but we are there and they don't like it and they are never going to like it. >> you know the argument that these al qaeda/isis guys make all the time is that the americans, they are the crusaders, the infidels they went into holy territory in saudi arabia for example, they had military bases there, and that's why they have to lead this jihad against america.

>> well that is their argument but they are silent on issues for instance when the united states helped hundreds of thousands of indonesians during the terrible tsunami and the united states played a critical role in the relief efforts. they are silent when president clinton belatedly, true intervened in bosnia to prevent the massacre of the serbs. the point is it's a very kind of one-sided part of the story. going to the issue of does poverty cause terrorism, the president was careful not to say it but the fact is how does that explain major hasan, an army major from a middle class family in virginia and also a medical psychiatrist. he is an empowered individual not a dispossessed individual. so we are going to hear a lot of factually incorrect assertions over the next 24 or 48 hours about what really causes terrorism and the data you know it's a very complicated problem but the idea of it it's always about people who are somehow impoverished or who have

been disadvantaged. osama bin laden after all was the son of a billionaire. it doesn't get any more advantaged than that. this is something to do with an ideology more than to do with people's circumstances. >> tom, muhammed atta was well educated one of the 9/11 hijackers. these aren't people who came from the street if you will. >> no that's true. they had some disagreement or hatred of the regime. zawahiri in egypt, bin laden against us in saudi arabia and other countries and fighting the war against the soviets when they were in afghanistan. they always come up with a cause but it doesn't mean because they're poor or dispossessed as peter said he's right. >> what's the background of al baghdadi the isis leader, as far as you know? >> that is one of the great mysteries. we know very very little about him. we do know that he claims to be a direct descendent of the

prophet muhammed which is rather important because it helps underline his claim that he is you know the caliph of all muslims, the leader of all muslims. his biography, we really know quite little about him. >> i want all of you to stand by. we will have a lot more on what's going on. we will take a quick break. we are also getting a new behind the scenes look at the hunt for any trace of that malaysian airliner that vanished nearly a year ago. searchers, we are told they have not given up. wall isn't a street. return on investment isn't the only return i'm looking forward to. for some every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. start investing with as little as fifty dollars.

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no debris no clue as to what happened to this plane. the search continues. it's happening 24/7. where we are here is where the ships come in to switch crews and resupply before heading back out to the search area which is about 1,000 nautical miles from where we are standing. the crews say that if the plane is in this search area that they are scouring they will find it. among the massive container ships and live export vessels at the harbor is a boat that's just arrived at port. this is "discovery," a former coast guard missile taking part in one of the most challenging searches in history. >> if there's a plane down there, we will see it. it will show up in our records. but it takes time. >> reporter: chris morris and his team have just spent the last 42 days looking for mh 370

in the southern indian ocean, 1,000 nautical miles offshore. >> australia here. we have the whole survey area with we started with the seventh arc. we are looking at the section down here. >> reporter: the boeing 777 with 239 people on board disappeared almost a year ago. according to data experts believe it's somewhere here on the ocean floor. after an initial search zone half the size of the united states it has been narrowed down to a priority area of over 23,000 square miles. the conditions are horrendous. trenches volume okay nose and underwater mountains are part of the terrain. for the sonar equipment that's towed six miles behind the ship and 2 1/2 miles below, it's a logistical nightmare. as for conditions above the surface, search crews weathered three cyclones and waves up to 52 feet high.

if mh 370 is in the southern inian ocean, then the discovery is one of four ships that is going to help find it. they have covered one-third of the priority search area and are on schedule to complete the zone by may. what they are looking for, the debris field on the ocean floor, is quite literally a spec on a map. >> we're looking for small features similar to something like this pixel. >> reporter: it's a slow and meticulous process. the vessels travel up and down strips of the search area referred to as i mowing the lawn. >> we can't leave a gap. if we were to go along and there was, say, 100 meters missing here then the plane could be in that 100 meters. so we have to be 100% certain we're covering the area. >> reporter: the crew has just arrive and spirits are high. they're used to work in the north sea where conditions are not as harsh. >> i asked specific tloi come on

this job, because it's a very exciting opportunity to do something that will potentially help a lot of people. >> reporter: most of all, the suffering families whose loved ones were on board. wolf the families are fearful that once this search is completed of this priority zone that if nothing is found then the operation will be called off. they are quite literally terrified. the know the search can't go on forever. but they believe that malaysian airlines has an obligation to bring their loved edd ones back home. >> is isis harvesting organs for cash? we're digging into new reports of new terrorist brutality. details of the u.s. justice department's plans to sue the ferguson missouri police department. we're learning new information tonight from our sources. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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happening now, taking on the terrorists as the anti-isis coalition pushes back a new offensive. president obama issues a challenge to muslim leaders. targeting rome. isis vows to concur italy's capitol. that country is issuing a warning about the danger from the killers at the doorstep. ferguson lawsuit. months after the riots, we're

getting new information about the u.s. justice department's investigation into the police force and the plans to take action. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and and the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." breaking news tonight, president obama is challenging muslim leaders around the world to expose the lies of isis and other terrorists who have in his words, perverted islam. he spoeblg a little while ago about ways to combat violent extremism. even as isis fought the u.s.-led coalition on several fronts and committing more gruesome atrocities. congressman ed royce is standing by. let's get the latest from jim acosta. >> reporter: president obama confronted the criticism that he and his white house won't use

the term is lamic terrorist as he called on communities to come together to confront violent extremism. trying to strike a careful balance, president obama urged communities to be on the look outfor radicals seeking to spread terror in the us. he defended the language he used on the threat posed by isis. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders. holy warriors in defense of islam. they are not religious leaders. they are terrorists. we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> reporter: a white house summit aimed at tackling violent extremism, the president pointed out muslims are often victims. while investigators haven'ted linked the attack to their faith, their death prompted a

muslim prayer outside the white house. >> i want to be as clear as i can be as americans, all faiths and backgrounds, we stand with you in your grief and we offer our love and we offer our support. >> reporter: the president's summit drew law enforcement on how to steer young muss lilz away from propaganda online. >> islam is not the issue or the problem. >> reporter: even as the summit is focusing on muslim communities, the administration strained to avoid using terms like islamic extremeistextremist. the white house has been inconsistent noting that the chapel hill were muslims but neglected to mention the christian faith of the men in libya. >> i don't think i'm tiptoeing. we are clear about exactly what we're trying to fight here. this is not a religious war. this is not a war on islam.

those individual do not remember islam. you noted there has been flak that we have taken. it's worth it. >> reporter: this mom argued the udz should focus on terrorist actions, not professed faith. >> i think that's a problem. i'm not going to deny there are people of the muslim faith who are doing wrong things. i'm not responsible for the actions. that should be very clear to all americans and to everyone. >> reporter: now the president will take some of the lessons learned at the summit today from pilot programs aimed at countering extremism in places like boston and los angeles. i'm told the president will deliver another formal speech about the same length to dozens of foreign ministers gathered from around the world here in washington tomorrow and that it will be an address on the global challenge faced by islamic and radical extremism. >> live coverage tomorrow

morning during the 10 a.m. eefrnt eastern hour. i want to bring in our chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, philip mudd and fran townsend. phil what do you think of the president's strategy as he outlined it today? >> look i served under the bush administration. i was nominated by president obama. let's take this out of washington. we should do what the adversary doesn't like and we should avoid what they like. they do not like to be referred to ace murderers. why have they declined to put video of the murder of that american woman a week ago on the internet? it's because they don't have an explanation for murder. by contrast they want to create a war between islam and christianity. anything we can do to avoid feeding their narrative, that is allowing them to say the americans are the christians we are the muslims, i'm not a democrat, i'm not a republican

what i would say in this instance i agree with the president. don't do what they want us to do. don't refer to us as anti-islam because they will pervert that to say that they are defenders of islam against the american christians. i think what he did was okay. >> fran you were president bush's homeland security adviser. what did you think of the strategy the president outlined? >> wolf i served in the clinton administration. i think it's ridiculous. these are not buddhists or hindus. these are islamists. they condemned islamic extremism. the president is right to say this is not a war with islam. it's a war with nose who pervert it. i agree with that. to not call it what it is is sort of ridiculous. the president rightly says we shouldn't -- people should not be targeted for their religious believes or race.

he doesn't go on to -- he condemns the chapel hill atrocity but doesn't mention the execution of the christians in libya, the desecration of jewish graves and christian graves in france. you can't -- this political correctness, it's right when jim acosta says the spokes people at the white house and president are tiptoeing through the tulips. >> you want to react to that philip mudd? >> my answer is of course it's islamic extremism. that's correct. my question is how do we play to the weakness of the adversary? the adversary wants us to create a war of civilizations. our responsibility is not to step into their game plan and to call them what they hate to be called. they do not want to be called murderers of innocence. that's what they are. we should call them murderers, not islamic extremists. what they commit is murder. it's not an act of violence in further answer of a religion. >> how is this playing, jim sciutto? you cover national security for

us. how is this playing not only here but around the world, the message the president was trying to convey? >> i met today with an ambassador from an arab country. what they say they want say comprehensive strategy to fight back against this which say threat not only to the u.s. but to them more directly in the region. they want to see that from the military side. they want to see that from the eye delogical side from the ideas side. i think in that -- as fran said often times you will hear from the leaders of countries around here in the gulf more forthright language. they call it is what it is. this is coming from within islam. it has to be addressed as such. it is not islam. doesn't mean it is. but it's a problem within the religion that needs voices from within the religion to challenge it. >> let's get reaction to the president's speech. joining us republican congressman ed royce of california. thanks for joining us. i'm sure you listened to the president today. what did you think? >> well from my standpoint i

think the 9/11 commission was right. it was a bipartisan commission. i think what we want do is go with their recommendation islamist terrorism. what's really missing here is a strategy that is going to defeat isis on the ground. right? and so as long as that is not happening, as long as there isn't visible evidence of isis being rolled back and defeated i think we have a problem in terms of recruitment. that's what's really recruiting terrorists right now. and that's where our failing is right now. >> would it make really practically speaking on the ground in this war against isis any real difference if the president's rhetoric, language changed and he spoke of extremist? >> from my standpoint this is not the big issue. the big issue is the fact that we do not have a strategy that has been effective. you and i talked. there were about eight months

nine months that went when isis was on the march on the open desert where we could have hit them with air strikes and we did not. now as we begin to hit them our spotters are not forward deployed. as are the british and as are the canadians. as a result it's very hard for us to get air strikes in on them. we haven't armed the kurds. we have not given the jordanians the weapons the king says they need. you and i know what's happened with the free syrian army in terms of lack of preparation or giving them any kind of training or weaponry. if we are going to be effective here we have got to have a strategy that shows decisive victory and decisive action. that can't mean that you have to wait for washington, d.c. to sign off on every target. those decisions have to be made by the spotters and by the airmen just as the british and canadians do it in real time. by the time the order comes back or the approval comes back from washington the target has

moved. that's where we are losing ground. >> the president spoke about poverty that sometimes these terrorists they are motivated because they live in poverty, they have no education, nothing to do. they get motivated, inspired by the messages from isis and al qaeda online. as a result, they become terrorists. do you buy into that paferty angle, that part of the story? >> this was the explanation given to me in terms of the problem with boko haram, poverty and -- i remember the explanation and i remember my retort which was i had talked to a muslim governor who warps me of this problem. he was from that area where boko haram operates. he told me what was happening was that funding was coming in from the gulf states. and they were setting up and the young boys were being converted into radical islamist terrorists. and he said, you know it's only a matter of time before they come for me.

he said i grew up in here. but this is ten times the size tw 100 times the budget. it has a gulf state and they are learning jihad. it will only be a matter of time before my state is in flames. today, that is happening. blaming it on poverty or whatever other set of circumstances doesn't really address the issue of the brainwashing going on with young males in which they are being recruited into this particular philosophy of jihadist activity. >> i want you to stand by. i have many more questions for you. i want phil mudd to weigh in on this issue of poverty that creates opportunities for terror. >> i completely agree with that. look when we looked at the originators of 9/11 a lot came from the middle class. i think there are issues in the

middle east that contribute to violence, that relate to things like access to education and jobs. i do not think that's the defining characteristic for a generation of people who are persuaded that murder is an acceptable way to get your political message across. we can't confuse these two messages. you can't commit murder at the same time it's perfectly appropriate to have a conversation that says how do you create job opportunities in places like nigeria, which is a place that has a lot of islamic -- >> stand by. mr. chairman stand by as well. we are getting new information coming in on the education, the background of bag da de, the leader of isis. might be surprised at his education. much more coming up right after this. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less.

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the bodies may have been burned after they were killed. also today, iraq's u.n. ambassador claiming isis selling organs of victims in light of the history, no one ruling out any of these potential crimes. with isis locked in battle with iraqi forces eyewitness accounts from the western iraqi town claim the terror group is burning the bodies of soldiers and tribesmen killed in the fighting to desecrate them. today the pentagon indicated it is now analyzing evidence of the incident. >> certainly wouldn't surprise any of us here if it turns out to be authentic and grew given the kinds of atrocities that this group continues to wage against innocent civilians. >> reporter: from iraq's ambassador to the u.n. another startling claim. isis is harvesting human organs from its victims in iraq and selling them on the black market in europe for profit. a dozen doctors who refuse to

operate were murdered. >> translator: these are, in fact crimes of genocide committed against humanity that must be held accountable before international justice. without even mentioning the traffic of human organs. >> reporter: cnn has not been able to confirm the claims. the am bass done offered no proof. the u.n. is investigating. the question is, how the terror group could run harvested organs out of a war zone. if true what could be the driving the terror group's increasingly extreme tactics? isis financing has been suffered as the air campaign has destroyed many of the group's lucrative oil facilities. more and more attracting women and highly-educated people, the atrocities get attention which further fuels recruiting.

>> they peeled people away from al qaeda. guys who were formerly part of the bin laden network, they see that isis is now the going concern. they are the vanguard jihadi organization. >> reporter: to push back the president outlines steps voices of peace, building cooperation. these are important steps. but they are not a silver bullet. the u.k. has been using many of these steps for years. they have a massive jihadi problem. some of the steps, particularly cooperation with police among muslim communities, has raised questions of being surveils under observance and kweps about where the loyalties lie. a reminder this is a long fight. none of this is going to solve the problem overnight. >> very long fight. thanks for that report. let's get back to congressman ed

royce. what do you know about these claims that the eyewitness accounts if you will that 45 iraqi soldiers and tribesmen were burned by isis? >> what we're trying to ascertain at this point, wolf was were they burned alive before or after. now, we have seen that they used cages to hold some of their captives. these were the same types of cages that we saw the jordanian pilot burned alive in. but whether or not this particular horrific crime was committed before or after they were executed we don't know yet. what we do know is under the koran, you are not supposed to burn bodies. this particular terrorist organization has really taken to a new enthusiasm for crucifixions. i was with representatives today of the egyptian community and of

the christian community in the middle east. and they were sharing with me the various horrendous ways in which christians have been slaughterrded by isis. i would not put anything past them. >> do you mean they have been crucified on crosses? >>ly >> literally. they have decapitated many. and burning is one of the things they do. but in addition of course this idea that they can take captive and make congress coup biens of those they defeat. they are using that as recruiting amazingly. they are telling young men, part of the reward is being able to take con coup biens on the

battlefield. it's amazing how much psychopaths they can recruit. of course the ss recruited a lot of psychopaths out of germany during the war. i guess we shouldn't be that surprised that with the internet they can find human beings that respond to these incentives. >> just i want to clear this up. the crucifying of these egyptian christians that was take -- >> middle east christians. >> not necessarily egyptian crist yaps. >> not egyptian. >> what countries were they crucified in? >> the case that i heard of was in iraq. i'm hearing this from christians from the middle east who are giving me examples. of course the egyptian representative that i talked to today, you know it was 21 egyptians decapitated. these tactics are horrific

tactics meant to scare the enemy. but also it drives recruitment. >> those egyptian christians they were beheaded inside libya. the egyptian military is responding. very quickly, do you know -- >> i talked to the ambassador today. >> the egyptian ambassador. >> they are evacuating egypt yaps out of libya. there is concern in rome. because there are thousands of libyans coming through italy. it's not that far a trip from tripoli. the question is how can the illian illians, how can rome keep itsize on which of those might be jihadists. >> that's very very disturbing stuff. mr. chairman ed royce, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, as the chairman just said isis terrorists setting their sights on rome. italy. potentially in real danger of

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strongest warnings yet about the danger from isis fighters who are establishing a strong hold did nearby libya and who are vowing to concur rome. pamela brown is in europe. she's watching all of this. she has more on the fears just days after those attacks in copenhagen denmark. what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf in the wake of that recent disturbing isis video threat ping christians in italy, there's a growing fear that those same militants in that video, only 200 miles south of italy, could make it into the country, link up with criminals. today the foreign minister reiterated that concern. in italy today, a warning from the foreign minister of a risk of isis joining with the italian militia. the country alarmed by isis on its shores a short boat ride

from the beach where this was filmed. the latest propaganda effort coming as concerns sweep across europe. in denmark, new details about the shooter who appears to have pledged allegiance to isis before terrorizeing copenhagen. police have released these pictures dressed in black, a white sox hat, his face covered in a dark cloth. one of the men he killed a security guard at the synagogue, was laid to rest in copenhagen under tight security. he used an m-95 rifle like this as one of his republican zweapons. it was a millitary weapon reported missing. it was here ats an inmate he became radicalized.

the shooter served time here for a stobing and was released two weeks before the attacks. a third of the inmates are muslim. >> they have questions about what do i think about isis. they want to know. is it actually good or are they bad or what are they? i tell them what my point of view is that isis -- they are doing a lot of wrong things. >> reporter: he says radicalization isn't widespread. >> it's not uncommon to see people who are actually interested in things that the media is focusing on. in jail in prison although they may not be that interested in it outside. >> reporter: wolf we have been speaking to people on the ground here within the muslim community, including that ama'am. the young muslim men may feel isolated like they are not part of society. that may make them more vulnerable to extremist

ideologies. >> pamela brown from copenhagen thank you. joining us now are philip mudd paul cruickshank and fran townsend. paul we know the number of terrorist cells across europe is growing. groups like isis aqap they obviously are expanding their reach. now the french intier onminister says they are tracking hundreds of cells in france right now. what can you tell us about this? >> yes, that's right. really sounding the alarm, saying they are tracking 400 jihadis inside france. their fear is the people may be poised to launch attacks, they may be people with links to al qaeda and other terrorist groups. broader concerns about 3,000 individuals they feel they have to have under surveillance. all of this of great concern. just this last weekend, eye sits

fighters in iraq released a individual -- french-speaking video in which they threatened gun and car bomb attacks. >> is there any overall pro file that seems to be emerging for the sleeper cell members, not only in france but presumably in other belgium italy other countries as well? >> not one that would be very effective as a practitioner. let's look at what the word profile means. information that would allow you to identify someone before they commit an act of violence. back 15 years ago, could you look at the core al qaeda organization in pakistan and say, find me people who have gone to pakistan might have spent time there, might have communication contact with someone in pakistan. go fast forward 15 years to today and look at what we have seen in western europe in the past few weeks. you might have contacts in turkey syria, iraq somalia,

yemen, saudi arabia pakistan afghanistan. you might be between 16 and 35. you might not have had contact within the past five years but you returned from a war zone. fur sorting through that data i can't tell you i can come up weapon a profile that's really actionable. that's too many war zones and too many people to come up with a perfect profile. >> let me bring fran here. fran how can you u.s. count er counterterrorism experts deal with this kind of threat? >> wolf that's exactly the fablg tors -- many factors that phil articulates is why the one defining thing they are focusing on is the travel of the foreign fighters. we understand that isis' 21 to 35,000 strong. they know foreign fighters is some fraction of that. we know they go to the battlefield, some are killed. but many return and it's to western europe. they are working -- american

authorities are working with foreign allies to try and track and identify these individuals. that's just one of the ways. we know these guys are radicalized over the internet. interestingly, while the president talked about the desem nation, the slick desem nation by isis and extremists on the internet he didn't talk about how they are going to combat that. how are we going to deny the safe haven, but how are we going to challenge and deny them the safe haven on the internet when they use to give out the prop began saturday? >> thanks very much. there's more breaking news we're following, including new details of the latest isis atrocities and president obama's vow to defeat the terrorists. will the udz justice department sue the ferguson missouri police department? will that include the mroifrgs who shot and killed michael brown? new information into the situation room.

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fuentes fuentes. >> before the attorney general leaves office in the next couple of weeks, we expect he will wrap up a couple of matters on the michael brown situation. the justice department has been doing a pattern practice investigation of the ferguson police department. we expect that they will announce findings, the attorney general will announce findings there was a pattern of discriminatory policing by the ferguson police department. this includes the practice of doing traffic -- targeting minorities. in some cases, some of the people were not able to pay their fines and ended up serving time in jail. in addition to that at the same time they announced these findings against the ferguson police we expect they will announce that there will be no charges against darren wilson the officer who shot michael brown. those two findingsing will ss will be a big deal to wrap up the attorney general's tenure. >> what will they say was there racism?

we know missouri is predominantly african-american. they had a tiny number of african-american police officers. >> the findings will target the department for a pattern of behavior against minorities especially african-americans who live in that area. there was a lawsuit against both ferguson and jennings the town nearby alleging some of the same things. wolf if the city of ferguson does not fix some of these, we expect that eric holder will announce a lawsuit against ferguson for these -- this pattern of behavior. >> walk us through the legal process. how does this play out? >> well this was really the most likely outcome from the beginning. it's very difficult to make a federal criminal case against a police officer under these sorts of circumstances. so the answer is there is no criminal prosecution. he is free to go. as for the civil lawsuit against the city that will almost certainly end in what's called a

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what's the impact on them? >> you know wolf he is still on the job. this is something that has been a bit of a problem between both ferguson and the state and the county and justice department. he is probably going to be under pressure to either make the changes himself or step aside so that these changes can be made at the ferguson police department. >> as you say, a lawsuit against the ferguson -- do they have to pay a settlement? what do they have to do to resolve this? >> well, that's up to the justice department. it's an actual civil lawsuit. and then there will be negotiations about what is satisfactory to the department of justice that will address the problems. as i said it could include the police chief has to step down. it could include that some of the police officers have to step down. certainly, it will have something to do with changing the training practice ss. and any sort of activity of the police department how they

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bush is telling the world he's his own man. jeb bush laid out his foreign policy views today in major speech in chicago trying to separate himself from the legacy of his father and especially his brother. cnn athena jones is joining us. she covered jeb bush's delivery there. tell us how i want went. >> that's right. bush is a name that everybody knows. jeb bush is very much aware of that. that's why today he began to try to distinguish himself from the two president's george bush. did he do a good job of that? you decide. >> i'm my own man. >> reporter: in if first major foreign policy speech of his potential presidential campaign jeb bush tried to distinguish himself from his father and his brother. >> my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> reporter: it's perhaps the former florida's governor biggest challenge as he explores a bid from the white house. president george w. bush launched wars in afghanistan and

iraq that grew unpopular over time. he hailed george w's surge strategy. >> for sure. using the intelligence capability was not accurate. my brother's administration through the surge one of the most heroic acts of courage that any president's done because there was no support for this. it was hugely successful. >> reporter: bush bashed obama for pulling troops out saying it created a void that's been filled by extremist like isis. his plan to fight the terrorism group sounded a lot like the president's. >> restrain them. tighten the noose and taking them out is the strategy. >> reporter: it's still not entirely clear what jeb would do differently than his brother in the region. he said circumstances change.

>> neither twitter nor isis existed. >> reporter: he refused to second guess the 43rd president. >> i'm the only republican that was in office when he was in office as president that never disagreed with him. i'm not going to start now. why would i do that now after two years? >> not one time did you call up and say don't do that? >> i'm not going to start now. >> reporter: many of them also worked closely with previous president's bush. from james baker, his father's chief of staff to michael chertoff to michael hayden. maybe that's why the latest poll shows 64% of the americans say jeb bush represents the past. while just 33% say he represents the future.

that poll show he's going have to do a lot more to convince the american people he'll be different from two president bush's. >> thank you. let's bring in brianna keilar. iran he's walking this difficult line. how did he do? >> you know the overall roll out, everybody he's done has been professional. it followed on that track. he's not given his last word on his assessment of his brothers choices in foreign policy. it's fine for the winter of 2015. it will not be sufficient through fall 2016 if he gets that far. >> david you're shaking your head in agreement. >> i'm agreeing he has a lot more to do. the i think the clearest indication that he understands that the bush name is something he has to deal with is the fact

at the very beginning of his cam page he went front and center. he does not think this is a one and done think. he's getting out early because he's laying ground work for knowing he'll have to come back and visit this. >> jeb bush is someone the hillary clinton camp fears because they fear he could carry the state of florida, that's a huge state. lot of electoral votes. they worry about him don't that? >> they do. i think one of the things they would be much smiling about today is this poll that we have out today. cnn orc poll. i would say the within thing that really sticks out, the thing that sticks out the most has to do with who is the candidate of the future. we've heard this discussion of the new car smell that president obama talked about. it's really important to voters that want something new. something surprising was that 48% of voters described hillary

clinton as a candidate of the past. 50% said she's of the future. that's a huge number. when you look at the same question with jeb bush you have 64% of voters surveyed saying he's candidate of the past and really just one out of three saying he's a candidate of the future. say for joe biden as you stlee.ee there. this stunning. hillary clinton has been in family life for decades and the bush family name has been around longer that. the fact she's a woman is really working for her. you see it's kind of cancelling out this concern that we're seeing. >> let me let ron weigh in. >> jeb bush is a formidable candidate in many ways if he gets the nomination because he's probably the republican other than marco rubio best suited to improve the party's pwith his

hispanic voters. his long history makes it tougher to paint hillary clinton as a return to the past. he's a for favorable match up. his potential to attract for minor minority voters could be critical. >> we asked republican who their choice was at this early stage for the nominee. mike huckabee former arkansas governor is at 16%. jeb bush 14%. the governor scott walker of wisconsin, 11%. ron paul rand paul 10%. they are pretty much very very close, well within the margin of error. >> those four guys are in double digits. they are the front runners for the nomination. what is amazeing to see is the jump. mike huckabee was at 6% and he

jumped to 16%. he went on fox news and left his show. he entered the fray. went out on a book tour. once the news media starts picking up that somebody is serious about running they seem to get a look at folks. the same with scott walker who gave a well received speech in iowa and he got a lot of news coverage and he gets a bump in the poll. >> he went from 4% to 11%. jeb bush ahead 23% in december. he's gone down to 14%. >> in the long run the rise of a candidate like huckabee could be beneficial for someone like bush. bush will draw more from the upscale part of the party. huckabee is very strong be evangelical voters. he struggled enormously to expand beyond that. if you look at the primaries in 2008 he only won 10% of the voters who are not evangelicals.

the risk you have is that huckabee could scoop up a lot of voters. deny them to another candidate like scott walker the son of a baptist minister. in the end i think jeb bush would rather have mike huckabee than scott walker be his primary opposition. >> hillary clinton is way ahead of the other potential democratic candidates at least right now. 61%. joe biden, 14. elizabeth warren 10. he's not even running. bernie sanders 3%. she must be feeling pretty comfortable. >> i think she does. what goes up must come down. i think now as she becomes more political, we're really waiting for her to dip her toe into this. this could happen in the spring that she's running and maybe launch her campaign in earnest

or more in a visible way this summer. we expect she's going to dip in the pools. it's interesting when you look at where bernie sanders are. they are in single digits. it makes you wonder if naythey will get in the race. >> we got to go. erin burnett starts now. breaking news. an iraqi official says isis has burned alive up to 40 people. we have a special report on that development coming up. the president says the united states is not at war with islam. he says no religion is responsible for terrorism. why his words are so controversial. a new twist in the road rage murder. her kids are defending her against accusations that she was the aggressor. let's go out front.