especially the plague of pts and if you want, you can forget the politics of the film but do not forget what matters most, helping the troops, and thank you for watching. "c nshgsnn with don lemon" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we will hear from a retired navy s.e.a.l. who served two tours of duty with chris kyle and co-starred in "american sniper" with bradley cooper and taught the cast how to fire a with weapon in the movie. and tonight, president barack obama denounces isis as desperate for legitimacy. >> they are not religious leaders, but terrorists. >> and is isis sinking to a new level of barberism. they believe that the organs are being harvested and being

transported and sold to finance their operations. and is there a pattern of discriminatory practices, and a change of tactics? we will look into it. >> and also a new look into road rage versus holyfield. >> and we will be joined by jim acosta with the latest and the president. some are taking a heat over what the president has failed to say islamic extremist for the summit, and what did he say about this? >> yes, don. that is the big headline president obama defended his e decision to stay away from the terms like terms like iz lauslamic extremists by not giving isis street cred and saying they are

not religious. he say saidid that the muslims that were killed in chapel hill that the people in the muslim faith, we offer our love and our offer our support, and the biggest applause line, don, came in the summit when he rejected the crit cannics who say that he has taken a soft approach in describing the groups like eyeisis. this is what he had to say. the terrorists do not speak for over 1 billion muslims who reject their hateful ideology and they do not are represent muslims anymore than a madman represents buddhism and hinduism and christianity and no religion is responsible for ter terrorism and violence. people are responsible for violence and terrorism. >> reporter: but the president was trying to strike a balance at the summit for countering violent extremism, and he said that muslim leads in the u.s. need the to comore to pushback on the narrative that there sis a

clash of civilizations going on between the people of the muslim faith and other faiths and white house officials, and we should point out, they do though that the nuanced argument comeing from the president is causing controversy, and the white house press secretary josh earnest said in the briefing earlier today conceded that they have taken the flack on the this but they say it is worth it. meanwhile, i should point out that the president is going to give a another speech at the summit a and this is over at the state department over tomorrow morning, don, before hundreds of foreign officials who have gathered here from around the world, and the president is going to be taking the lessons that he learned at the summit today dealing with the pilot programs programs in boston, los angeles, minneapolis/st. paul to learn how to apply the way to join muslim communeities, and follow up on the u.n. general assembly speech that he gave last september when he talked about the global challenge of taking on the violent extremism, and

trying the go to the root causes in the muslim communities around the world, and we will hear more about that don. >> thank you, jim acosta. i want to bring in fareed zakaria host of the "fareed zakaria, gps." and good evening. he say s thas that by calling them islamic is giving them legitimacy, and what do you think about that? >> well, he is right. the critics are saying that if he can't name the problem properly, we can't fight it, so let's say we name it and call it radical islam, or radical extremist, and whatever the phrase, and so are we going to be cropping the more bombs? more drones? more special ops? he is doing all of the stuff that you would do at the military level to fight it. >> you are i sasaying that it does not matter, because the strat yes won't change? >> it won't matter at the military level, because you are going after the bad guys and isis and go ging after them in groups like them, and then the political strategy of how do you make sure that these muslim

communities from which they rare emerging expel them or, you know don't succumb to them and in there he says i don't want to needlessly insult islam, and needlessly call them islamic group, and you can agree or disagree, and again, the basic challenge that you want to face is to try to find in the communities the leaders who will speak out against and denounce it, and he is saying all of that and what would the critics want to do differently other than use a word. >> so according to the critics, how can you, because the first letter is islamic, right? >> right. >> and how can you have a summit when we are fighting isis and not use the word which is the first letter of the, of the word says that. >> right. and what i am saying to you as a matter -- >> the acronym says that. >> and yes, as a matter of fact you get to call yourself whatever you want to. and the isis is calling itself

the isis state. and he says i won't give you to the legitimacy and call you that i want to call you what i think you are which is a bunch of thugs and terrorist, and no question they think of themselves as islamic, and just as marxist revolutionaries thought of themselves as true devout believers of the new world order and justice and peace for all, and that does not mean that we have to gif them legitimacy. >> and how might this -- isis read this speech? o offended that they did not call them islamic, and upset that he didn't call them iz law pick? >> i suspect they are not paying much attention to it, but i would think that they would like the narrative to be the west versus islam. that is what they are saying, the west is out to get all of the muslim world, aed on the the ex extent that the president says no i don't buy that. >> what do you think struck you most about the speech? did he strike the right tone? >> i think what struck me is

that he believes it to bring the muslim community along with you, and important not the insut the region, and he knows that it is not going to be playing well politically, but he is finally his own man. he is pursuing the kind of presidency he wants to. he thinks that this is the responsible way to approach it. he knows that there is a certain other network going crazy about this. and he doesn't care. >> fareed zakaria, always a pleasure. thank you very u much.. i want to turn to ambassador james woolsey who is chair map of the defense of d democracies, and good evening to you, ambassador woolsey. is he being too politically correct, and should he call isis a extremists? >> the president is a champion of political correctness, and he has let it run too far here. maybe it is different if he were take ing a stern position we are spect to the groups in the

middle east and elsewhere who are causing huge problems, the russians are running a foreign policy very much the way that hitler did from 1933 to 1939 and the chinese are trying to take over the south china sea. the isis is doing what it is doing, murdering people, burning them alive and trying to expand into a caliphate that covers the estate in the middle east, and the way it happened in muhammad's time. >> and ambassador, with just beyond calling it what it is, and does it affect the strategy? the president said that we have to address the root causes of radicalism and the povrerty and the lack of education, and so on -- go on. >> you have to address the root causes as well under these circumstances to let people know that you can fight. and you have to fight effectively, and he is not doing that. he didn't do it with syria.

he didn't -- and he is not do anything to ship weapons that are need ded to ukrainians who are dealing with the russians. he is not dealing with iran on anything but a weak basis in the negotiations over the iranian nuclear weapons. >> you want his ap eproach to be tough tougher? >> absolutely. >> how so? >> well, three areas, and say 3 1/2, and the south china sea is perhaps, set that aside for a second, but russia take over as much as it sis in the process of doing so in the central and eastern europe and perhaps as much into central asia and u beck stan is -- uzbekistan is a very serious part of that world, and not only in the middle east, but we may be seeing the terrible actions okayccurring not only in europe as

they have begun to, but in the united states and then of course you have the iranians and they are a various instrumentality as hezbollah running things in a very rough way in their part of the world. if he were taking a firm stand on these, and helping to arm the ukrainians and then he might have a bit more flex mblt the way he termed it. basically, he is looking scared and looks as if he is afraid of using the adjective islamic to describe the te terrorists and that is not meaning that all terrorists are muslim and it does not mean that all muslims are terrorists, and that is nuts nuts. go but he should use the word, ambassador? >> well, if you can't do that you are looking scared, and he is looking scared. >> thank you ambassador, i appreciate your time. iraq's ambassador to the united nations, believes that isis is harvesting the organs of some of

the victims and sell ging them to finance other terror operations. i am joined by the author of "tales of the organ trade," rickand do you believe that isis could be harvesting these organs, and iselling them on the black market? what type of logistics would this entail? >> well, it is possible, and the reports are implying that they are harvesting the organs and shipping them to saudi arabia and other countries to send them on the europe. it is not that viable. a kidney can live outside of the body maximum of 30 hours and a heart six hour and so in a kind

of a horrific barbaric way, yes, but you have to do the tissue matching and you have to extract the organs in a way that is making it possible to transplant them into somebody else so you noeknow, i have heard the stories, but i never say, "never," be but it seems unlikely. >> okay. but the terrorist organizations have they ever done this before? >> well there's been okayizations, aokay accusations, that the serbians were accused of it, and china was accused of it and they admit ed to it, and they were not executing the prisoners for their organs, but when they were going to execute a prisoner they were doing the tissue matching and using the organs so it could happen but you need the infrastructure and the or xwan is

organ is not like drug trafficking, because you can't just pop it in and you need to extract it, and you need helicopters and airplanes to get it to places where where other people's tissue has been tested as well. so it needs the medical community around it. it is no like drugs where where you can pass it from hand-to-hand and make some money. having said that, if they had that infrastructure, it is within the realm of possibility, but it just seems the break, but quickly, can you tell me how much money would be at stake? can you give us an estimate? >> at stake with the -- >> with the harvesting of the organ, and how much money could be at stake for harvesting organs possibly? >> well, the world health organization estimates that 10 to 15% of transplants worldwide occur on the black market so it is a sizable amount of money.

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on the witness stand today in the american sniper murder trial, eddie ray routh's sister who gave dramatic testimony about the mental health of her brother. >> reporter: right after eddie routh gunned down chris kyle and chad littlefield, his sister said that he talked about pigs sucking on his soul and he had to take two souls before they took his. >> he said that -- who had he said that he killed some. >> he said that he went out to the shooting rage and he is all [ bleep ]ing sigh kotpsychotic. i am sorry, but i don't know if he is on drugs or not, but i know that he is -- he has been -- >> reporter: in court, blevins described the scene, the person who came to my house is not the person who i know as my brother and then she turned to him and said, i love you, but i hate your demons.

the judge is not allowing the courtroom testimony to be broadcast until after the trial but the words were the drugs have been the focus since opening statements. >> the drug ss and alcohol that morning? and that he knew what he was doing was wrong. >> reporter: and the prosecutors said that routh disobeyed orders from his doctor to stop smoking and drinking and he even smoke and drank whiskey before he killed that morn ging. as he descend canned into psychological troubles he started to date this woman who has a degree in psychology herself. she said that he could be quick-tempered and e erratic. a week before the murders she held his girlfriend at knifepoint in the apartment. the night before the killings she asked him if he was seeing things, and he said yes, and asked him if he was hearing

things, and he would said yes. and then he got up and told me that they were listening to us, and then i tried to with him and he would take his hand and put it over my mouth. and then the next time he saw him he was in the back of a police car. >> reporter: and then out of the blue he dropped to his knees and proposed to her and asked her to marry him, and another bizarre scene here in the murder trial. >> and joining us is kevin lace who did two tours of duty in iraq with chris kyle, and co-starred in "american snipe're" and served as a tech technical adviser in the film. thank you for service. >> thank you por having me on, don. >> you served alongside chris. tell us about him. >> he was very strong and represented his teams well and

family well shgs, and it is a h i have heart that we are going through with chris. he is a great american and i'm hon honored to call him my friend. >> did you talk to chris when you both got back home? >> we did. chris and i stayed friends outside of the teams. he is one of the first people to call to congratulate me on the birth of my son. i worked with chris and i spoke to him the day before. we texted that morning, and kept that relationship and he was always a good friend of mine. >> and how was he doing when you texted? what were the nature of the texts? >> it was casual. chris was doing well. he was happen u pi to be in texas and back with the family to build up that part of his family that lacked while he was deployed as a s.e.a.l., and so we kept it light. chris was on to big thing, and the last text line was, you know, i will talk to you tomorrow. >> and so you were an adviser from the mo povie, i want to play

this clip and get your thoughts on it. >> would you be surprised that the navy has credited you with over 160 kills? >> hmm. >> do you think that you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't? >> oh, that is not me though. >> what is not you? >> that is just protecting my guys. they were trying to kill can our sold eiers, and i'm willing to meet my creator and answer for every shot i took. the thing that haunts me are all of the guys that i couldn't save. >> haunted by all of the guy ss that he couldn't save. do you feel that you feel that way or most vets feel that way? >> well, i can speak for myself and the s.e.a.l. teams and the special operations. the military is volunteer service, and we do an extra step to go the extra step to become a s.e.a.l. and we go forward to

become a brotherhood to protect the people, and the marines and the army to protect, and so things don't haunt us and i don't believe that chris was, because he never told me that. >> there have a lot of criticism of the movie saying that it is an tie islam. how you respond to that? >> well, i think that it is unfair critique. the adversary in the movie is, you know, a sniper who is from iraq and then there is also the butcher who sis also from iraq, and regardless of the setting, it is the adversary and the country he is from. so it is not anti-islam. and like chris talked about it when you see the face of evil, and you are inundated with it and you are able to call it what it is, and it is not anti-iz ha lam -- islam, but it is the anti-hate of america, and the coalition forces.

>> and once chris got back here, did he talk about that? what do you think about those questions? >> you know chris was a humble guy, and the type of guy that would receive a lot of praise and deflect it to the people around him. so to hear people that he was out boasting about the accomplishments or the things that he would have done and i disagree. he was a humble guy, and he would take that praise and praise the people around him, and mark lee and ryan jobe shown through in the book. and so it is not chris and he was a good steward of the flag and a good american. >> do you believe that we are fighting islamic extremism instead of just extreme ismism in general as the white house has portrayed it? >> that is interesting question. i know that we are fighting extremism, and it is barbaric extremism. and people ask where was isis and isil and so it was there and always a threat and as we

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wraekbreaking news tonight. attorney eric holder is planning to take action against the ferguson police department. what do you know? >> attorney skrengeneral eric holder is getting redady to check off a couple of things before he prepares to leave office. this is what is going to be standing for justice for michael brown which is something that the attorney general had promised both the family and community down there, because as you know it ist not expected that the justice department will

bring charges against officer darren wilson who shot michael brown. as part of it, it is going to to be what we call a decent deecree in which the city has to bring changes, and the city is going to be prepared to bring a lawsuit to force the city to do so. >> and they are saying that the ferguson police department is doing some things to target mi more tis mifor the timi minorities and what do you noeknow about that? >> yes, don. it is that the traffic fines were used against minority drivers to fund the city kof coffers, and what they were doing is if the people could not pay, they would end up in jail. that is something that the justice department is going to be using in the case here against the ferguson police

department and stop that in order to get agreement from the justice department. >> thank you, evan perez. also joining us, is mark o'mara a cnn criminal attorney and also justice with judge ma bshgsbmabel geragos, and what are you thinking will happen are there in ferguson? >> i believe that in the town hall meeting that i was there, it was express ed toed to me the same thing that the attorney general said that there was a practice of discrimination and minorities were stopped for minor traffic citations, and they could not pay it and they would end up in jail, and that

what we refer to in the can community as driving while black, and minorities were stopped more for traffic citations citations than others, and for instance of having a tail light out or the brake out or window broken or having -- >> and it also says, too -- >> and minor vehicles. >> and it says poor people as well as minorities. and if they could not pay the fine, they ended up in jail, and pattern over and over, and domino effect. and mark o'mara, the federal government sues and what does a that mean legally if the federal government sues? >> well, they won't sue yet, but they will enter into what is a loquitur sek with which-- sequiter

and now what we will see is that we will have more numbers of black males stopped and all of that is going to be there, but if they sueconsent does not work then the federal government can come in and in the worsets case take over the government if it does not fix itself. >> mark geragos, many people there in ferguson and the protesters had hope and the family members hoped that locally no charges that the officer was indicted and they were hoping that it might happen on the federal level that the government may not bring charges against darren wilson and what is going to happen? >> well, they are never going to with be bringing charges against darren wilson. frankly, this kind of too little too late threat of we may file

i don't know, if i were on the ground in ferguson, i would say real really? this is what you are going do after the attorney general came here to promise us justice, this is justice? this is almost a joke. if they wanted to do the justice, why didn't they initiate the investigation of why the attorney general was committing perjury there, and if i had done that and put witnesses that were lying up on the stand, i guarantee you that some law enforcement would have indicted me or indicted o'marra if he tried that but the d.a. gets a pass on that and all of the people who get pulled over, thrown into jail for bogus traffic violations and then they have to sit in jail? we outlawed debtor's prison 200 years ago, but apparently, alive and well there. this whole thing to my mind is completely window dressing and a joke. >> and mark o'mara, you are shaking your head in agreement here and why?

>> well ferguson is the up to of the day. two years ago it was the sanford police department, and so we can't settle this the one town at a time, and we have to have a more principled approach with the way that law en porsment is interacting with it and towns are going to be come ing ining in and out of our minds and much more national issues that have to be foe focused, and so we have to address it everywherewhere and if we make an example out of ferguson and keep it in the spotlight, then maybe change will happen everywhere. >> and judge, you were there in ferguson a and what do you think will happen when there is real and lasting change? >> it will only happen when the community is involved in the

say-so of what happens in the government. it is 70% black, ferguson and the police department is 10% african-american, and if you just go through the entire city most of the people that are in office, and that are decision makers do not look like the people who live in the city so you have to give them a voice in the city. i said that you need to prepare yourselves to become the next mayor and the next city council person and go to the police department and become the next police officers and you have to be more representative and the government has to be more representative of the city government and it is not. >> and you make up a good point, and any police department will say they have trouble recruiting the minority police off e sers, and they will say it is tough to find the minority officers so it can't be a 100% match with that. >> right, it is not just finding the minority officer, but people who are interested in the

policing and interested in doing justice, and there are a number of police officers and that is why there has to with be a psychological evaluation of the applicants and a that is why they are applying to use that prejudice under the color of the law and be immune of the conduct they want to do anyway, so you have to be sure that you are getting the people in there who want to do justice and police and serve the community and not putt their neck and the foot down on the community. >> point taken. thank you very much and standby, because surveillance cameras used to be something that just krimle nals and something that just criminals worried about, but now the police are caught on video. more on that next. there's confidence. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts mean your peace of mind. now you can get the works,

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the age when everyone has a high-def camera in their pockets at a all times and not just the suspects, but the police who are often caught on camera. we have this report. >> reporter: dash cam shows one

of the cops saying that it is time to stop recording. >> hold up. everybody hold up. if you are worried about the the cameras, wait. >> reporter: the video end ss, and the drug and weapons charges later dropped. the decorated st. louis metropolitan officer who stopped the video is violated the policy, but they are still on the force. >> they are subject to scrutiny, but it is part of the job. >> reporter: and the captain says that they are to take video of their own video, and it is perfectly legal unless you interfere. but it does not stop this police officer who is an officer checking the the phone. >> it is not a choice? >> no it is not a choice. >> police cannot take the phone. >> i don't want to show you. >> thank you. >> reporter: this federal lawsuit claims that medina's

rights were vieolated and suffered physical and psychological rights were violated. but then this statement say ss that videotaping of the public is part of police work to daiday by the public. >> joe joe-jo, get your phone out. >> reporter: this is a seat belt violation last fall that led to this and part of evidence. all of it unfolded with children in the back seat. >> my gosh what! >> reporter: this cell phone led to $1.5 million from marlene pinnic who was beaten on the

side of the road by an officer. >> thank you for the footage and the video. >> reporter: she survived but eric garner did not. this shows an unarmed man placed in a chokehold. a grand jury decided fot to indict the officer for garner's death, but these videos are powerful tools for citizens who are capturing bad behavior by police. police. >> thank you. and now, back with mark gar geragos, and mark o'mara, and that l.a. video, my goodness. it is unbelievable. let let's talk about the missouri one. mark geragos when there is a female officer warning the other officers that the dash cam is recording, and then it soon turns off, what do you think about that? >> it is not about race but it is the ingrained police belief that they shouldn't be second-guessed or watched.

that is what transpires here and for 3 22 years, i have been doing, this and i have heard the clients repeatedly tell me white, black, latino, armenian, whoever, that it happens all of the time and that the police do it and when they march them into the court, it is the civilian versus the police's word and you don't have a videotape, and therefore, it is who is going to win, because everybody wants to believe the police. >> mark o'mara? >> destruction of evidence. that is a crime if the my client did that to destroy the evidence of a crime or evidence of non-crime, and cops simply cannot do it. it is a brave new world for the cops, but they better get used to the fact that everybody has a camera and they should wear a camera too. >> should they turn it off? >> you cannot turn it off to avoid detection of what you do wrong. what they did in that case should get them fired. they turned off a camera solely so it would not be recording what the cops ended up doing. and the only reason that you do

that is that you don't want it seen or recorded. that should be a crime. >> and the guy on the -- >> right. fired. why isn't that obstruction of justice? >> well, deare struckstruction of evidence. >> yes, obstruction of evidence, and obstruction of justice, and they are destroying the evidence of the, of a, don, investigation gone awfully wrong. >> does it rise the level of -- >> right now i just found out two day ss ago, they destroyed the evidence of a recording of a shooting of an officer, bad shooting of my client, and the evidence was there and they destroyed it. it is criminal. >> does this rise to level of criminal activity, because the man arrested here is claiming that it is excessive force? >> well, it is a crime if you destroyed the evidence. >> yes. >> and road rage is all too common these days and some of them are turning deadly.

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two cases of extreme road rage have drivers on high alert,

and drivers in colorado have ide identify ed identified lewis kelly as a road rage suspect found, and also now, there is a las vegas road rage killer on the run, and now, a victim of road rage who is the only five-time champion of the world, e evander holyfield, and you are starring in a very important psa. now, let's talk about it. >> you cut me off, you son of a [ bleep ], get the [ bleep ] out of the car.

i'm going to tear you a new one [ bleep ], and get out, [ bleep ], and get out [ bleep ] ]. >> i didn't know it was you. [ bleep ]. >> very powerful. >> how did you get involved in the campaign evander? >> well, i knew it was a serious situation, and then people get hurt and anything can happen in a road rage. >> so many worthy causes and why road rage? >> well, because, you know as a kid at 17 years old, my car broke down and pretty much the same thing happened to me, and you know people shouting and cursing and doing a lot of things, and, you know, at that time, i could fight, but, you know things could happen in a situation like that, and even though at that time that you could fight, it is intimidating

because you are worry died about the car breaking down and people are yelling at you, and it does not matter the size, but it is sbim intimidating. >> it is. it is, and you are embarrassed and e embarrass barembarrassed, too, because people tend to get incentive about their time and it could happen to anybody. >> and you don't know how big you rare if they have a weapon, and you don't know if they have a weapon as well. what is the best thing that people can do to avoid being in a dangerous situation on the road like this? >> well, it is to stay in the car, and stay in the car and not get out, and you know whether you rare a man or woman and let the person cool can out, because you never know. >> and your son, ree elijah and you had this road rage incident

and how do you tell him to handle that situation, stay in the car and stay cool. and i would say that you know anybody can get hurt and it don't make no difference of the size and the situation is and it is dangerous. >> so your son is a star athlete yourself and he is one of the most recruited football stars of the class and where is he going to the go with this? >> well you know he has plenty of choices, and he work hard, and i think that by him being a hard worker, and applying himself, he has choices. >> how proud of him are you? >> i am very proud. football is what i love and he has an unt to do something that i really want ded to do, but boxing was my second choice. >> yeah. so you have not been in the ring since 2011 and officially you have retired in 2014 and what are you focusing on mou?

>> i'm into helping people and i believe that with the american cancer society, and the boys and girls club and police athletic league. >> you are a world champion in and out of the ring and come to new york, because i'd love to have you on the set and we would love to have you back on. >> thank you, i will. >> we'll be right back.

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