ast couple of weeks, this white house has taken flack from some for never saying the words islamic extremism. not one to talk about that being part of it. even though when you look at the programs that are highlighted during the summit. domestically they're all focused on muslim communities. well finally the president addressed that criticism head-on. he explained it. as well as calling on communities themselves to take responsibility. al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam. and we're not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. just as leaders like myself reject the notion that terrorists like isil genuinely represent islam, muslim leaders need to do more to discredit the notion that our nations are

determined to pervert islam. if we're going to determine that people are susceptible to the false promises of islam, then the international community needs to offer something better there are savage cruelties out there that have to be stopped. >> today we'll hear from the president again addressing foreign ministers and leaders. when you look at the programs being talked about, they're more practical than you might expect. people talking about certain ways to identify warning signs. or provide opportunities for young people in these communities. that was a big one. that was talked about again and again, as well as addressing online propaganda as one mayor in belgium put it, radicalism begins where integration ends. brieannea brianna? >> thank you. to the war against isis as the terror group tries to gain more ground in iraq there's a question can kurdish forces

fight them off? let's go to senior international correspondent ben wedeman, tell us about what you've seen near erbil where you are, ben? >> what we have is a situation that just 24 hours ago there was a concerted assault by isis on positions just up the river from here. now they were they were repulsed thanks to co-list aircraft, but that was an assault that has people concerned. now the latest we have is within the last hour and a half there were coalition air strikes near that place where the battle took place. and according to our sources, they hit two positions, killed somewhere between seven and eight isis fighters. but the fact that after more than six months of these coalition aircraft that the isis can still launch these assaults is a cause for concern of many people here. also of concern for iraqis elsewhere are the reports that as many as 40 people were burned

alive in anbar province in the town of ball gami. now provincial officials have made the claims. but we haven't seen any video yet. the problem is of course at this point no matter how awful the stories you're hearing about isis they tend to be true. brianna? >> ben wedeman, outside of erbil. let's get more on the politics of fighting extremism with kevin madden he's cnn's political commentator and republican strategist and we have paul begala begala cnn political commentator, democratic strategist and senior adviser for the pac priorities action. the president said we're not at war with islam. he didn't use the terms islamic extremism and islamic terrorism. let's listen to more of what he said. >> the terrorists do not speak for over 1 billion muslims who reject their hateful ideology.

this no more represent islam than any madman who kills innocents in the name of god represents christianity or buddhism or hinduism. no religion is responsible for terrorism. people are responsible for violence and terrorism. >> but paul you just heard from our report from michelle kosinski a lot of the programs that he's announced are targeting muslim communities. is this sort of a contradiction between what he's not saying and what he is doing? >> do me it's the same thing -- you're not bashing a religion of a billion people. which by the way there's over three billion muslims in america. many of whom serve in the military. a few of whom lie in honor in arlington national cemetery. you don't want to trash your own people in a great religion. you want to reach out and engage. it's a first rule of psychological warfare is to deny your enemy the propaganda that he wants. the first letter of isis is "i"

for islam. they want to claim islam. if we give that to them they've won an enormous propaganda victory. the president is exactly right. >> begala that's your take. now kevin madden. i want you to make the case for why he is exactly wrong. when you talk to muslims, whether they are rank-and-file muslims or part of the government. you know what they refer to the extremists as -- muslim extremists. they acknowledge it why won't the president and why does it create nuance? >> i think that paul is actually right. that the president is trying not to offend those who are members of the religion that they believe is being perverted in the name of terrorism. but i think the big problem that this creates for the president is that this focus on terminology, this focus on trying to designate what the sources, is that many of the president's critics, i think it emboldens them. in their mind it shows that the

president doesn't understand the true nature of the threat. and as it relates to that you know it distracts the president from the real focus at hand which should be marshalling resources to combat this threat. to target isis and to eventually eliminate it. and i think that criticism comes also from within the president's own party. you know congresswoman kelsey gabbert was on cnn yesterday, criticizing the president for not being more open in acknowledging what the true source of some of this extremism is. >> i think paul it comes down to brianna and i were talking about this before the show. what you're getting out of this. who is telling him that this is the way to do it that it matters somehow. especially at of the cost of pissing off christians. when he says we don't call a madman who is a christian, we don't blame christianity. we would if he was part if he was part of a group that called itself the christian warriors association. >> baloney. the animal who is blew up the

oklahoma city building claimed christianity. we never called tim mcveigh a christian terrorist. >> they were not overtly saying we're all about christianity. >> you're in a movement that called itself the christian identity movement. we did not give them that name of christianity because they were not christians they were terrorists they were animals, they targeted innocent people and we killed them and we dealt with them. >> do you think it helps the conversation to try to draw a parallel between christianity and islam? do you think it's helping the president's message? >> i think kareem abdul-jabbar a great muslim-american. he made a great parallel. he said isis represents islam, about the same way that kkk represents christianity. it uses a cross as its symbol but it's not a christian group, it's a terrorist group. >> the false equivalencies distract from what the american people want to see the president

focus on. what's the strategy to target and eliminate the threat? a threat that's a threat to the middle east region and is ultimately becoming a threat to american national security interests. >> so what about that though? i mean there's so much focus on rhetoric. kevin you said it's too much and it gives the president's critics a toehold to slam him on this. but they're not just criticizing the rhetoric. they're also criticizing his strategy here he's clearly taking what he would describe as a long view. a battle for the hearts and minds. and yet, he's getting criticized by republicans for that. >> well he's also being criticized by some democrats. think if you look at the debate that's now shifted over to the authorization of the use of military force, the president had to get that action just right up on capitol hill. and instead, it seems to be stalled. that would be something that would be really important for the president if he is going to advance a strategy to target and eliminate isis but instead he's got some democrats who

think the amuf go too far and some republicans who think it doesn't go far enough. and there are legitimate concerns both on capitol hill and with the american pump publ that there's a comprehensive, cohesive strategy to actually take on this threat. >> we want to talk to you about jeb bush. he said some pretty important things yesterday during a key foreign policy speech. he said i am my own man when it comes to foreign policy. let's listen. >> look just for the record, one more time i love my brother. i love my dad. actually love my mother as well. i hope that's okay. and i admire their service to the nation. and the difficult decisions that they had to make. but i'm my own man. and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> he's his own man, and yet he's also said he doesn't want to litigate the things of the past. basically talked about his brother and about his father. i just can't imagine, paul that

this can persist. doesn't he have to break with george w. bush and george h.w. bush at some point? >> i don't know if he has to break with them. but every candidate for president has to answer whether certain strategic decisions were right or wrong. just as a political guy. here's what he did completely wrong. if your point is to go out and say i'm my own man, you do not on the same day release a list of your foreign policy advisers 17 of whom almost all of them the vast majority were advisers to george w. bush. so if your point is i'm my own man, show that you're surrounded by your own men and women who are advising you. he's a big environmentalist because he's recycling all of his brother's failed advisers. >> the idea of him having to explain his family -- i get it. that's what he is. he's a bush and that's what he is. who has come out and taken on the two bushes or the most

recent bush their legacy about foreign policy? why should jeb bush be the one to have to carry that mantle? none of them are. >> that is the point of the remark in the speech yesterday which is ultimately every candidate who is running for president still has to answer for themselves they can't answer for anybody else and this was an opportunity for him to maybe chart a new course. the big challenge i think going forward is that you can say it in a speech that you're your own man, but you have to now demonstrate it think that's one of the challenges paul pointed out what the democratic tack line is no, he's not his own man, he's listening to the same people who advised his father and brother so that's going to be a challenge going forward for him to step out of that shadow and to show the american people that this is an entirely different vision he has for the country and he has an entirely different style of governing. >> maybe his biggest challenge. kevin madden paul begala, thanks to both of you. >> mcveigh referred to himself

as an agnostic. >> we can, he was trained in kansas or nebraska at one of these christian identity camp movements. >> and that salmon you caught was 15 inches long. i don't buy any of it. thank you for joining us. we'll have more on isis throughout the morning. we're going to talk to iraq's ambassador to the united states. another big thing the president talked about is the problem of recruitment of people who are disaffected and oppressed. that's happening in that region. so we'll see what iraq's ownership is of that problem. the remnants of the cease-fire in ukraine quickly dissolving if they ever existed. leaders of ukraine, russia france and germany have agreed to make another push to get all sides to abide by the deal reached just last week this comes on the heels of a major strategic loss for ukraine, which saw all of its troops abandon a key town after clashes with the pro russian rebels our nick paton walsh joins us live from that town debaltseve in

eastern ukraine. a crucial rail hub. you're the only western journal journalist there. give us a sense of what you're seeing. >> we're seeing behind us a building which i was at two weeks ago, and it was then held by the ukrainians now there are still the same old women in the basement we saw two weeks ago, they haven't left at all. just heard the horrifying noise of shelling all around them and what devastation that has wrought to the town around us here. the streets littered with damaged armored vehicles. a strange quiet, though across it. many houses damaged, i think frankly few have escaped unscathed. but people emerging for the first time. they said last night was the first quiet night they had heard in a very long time. we understand there is still ukrainian soldiers some distanced in the edge of the town. you occasionally hear small-arms fire. they seem to have remnants in this town. but it is firmly under separatist control. and behind me they've been

giving out humanitarian aid, food to many of the people here who are furious at the damage done to their town. many have no idea how they can begin to rebuild their lives. why is this town so important? because it was dealt with properly in the minsk peace agreement. it was a down that the ukrainian government wanted to hold on to. they sent thousands of troops to try to hold but the separatists encircled. it became a symbol of the war. the separatists say russian soldiers have very effectively stormed across forcing the withdrawal yesterday. it's stunning to go around streets, to see people emerging for the first time carrying people back to their homes, back to the basements where they've been trying to survive through this intense bombardment. to see the town now firmly in separatist hands, with the question hanging, this violence happened during a supposed

cease-fire. does that mean that there will be more violence asned or are we perhaps going to see a truce of some description? >> nick now the ukrainian leader poroshenko was calling for united nations or eu peace-keeping force to come into the country, leave aside the notion that russia would never accept that to begin with if that did happen it would freeze in place these enormous territorial gain force the pro russian rebels over the last few weeks. >> well there are some who say that the goal has always been to create a frozen conflict. the borders established by the separatists, just effectively someday as they are, no real permanent legal agreement. but effectively this part of ukraine secedes in some way. but there are others and many of the separatist fighters say the ambition is larger they want to take all of the donetsk region and perhaps after a military victory like this they may feel they have the weaponry to continue to take more territory. that's the key thing.

there are still presidents calling this a cease-fire. i'm hearing shelling in the distance. this town had enormous damage done to it. we don't know how many lost their lives, but enormous damage done during that supposed cease-fire. if this is a truce, then perhaps the separatist think they can continue to take more territory. that's what we have to see. does the seizing of debaltseve mark the end of the separatist ambition? or just the beginning of something else? that's what people here are most deeply concerned about. that's what must be on the minds of the white house here. are we looking at the borders of europe being rewritten through this conflict. >> our nick paton walsh, nick important to see you there, thanks so much. the justice department could be preparing to sue the ferguson missouri police department. cnn has learned that officials could pursue legal action for a pattern of perceived racial discrimination at the police department if it doesn't agree to review and revise those tactics. attorney general eric holder

says he expects the results of this investigation into the shooting of michael brown to be complete in the coming weeks. so nearly 200 americans have been exposed to a deadly superbug. two patient deaths have already been linked to a drug-resistant bacteria called cre, seven other patients have developed infections a special endoscopic procedure at ucla medical center is believed to be behind it. patients who had it between october and january are being sent home testing kits the cdc says the superbug can resist most antibiotics and kills about half the people it infects. as if you needed more proof that it's cold outside. take a look -- that niagara falls, partially frozen over. that sight drawing tourists what i call agony tourism right there. people who want to be freezing looking at frozen wafrlterfalls

the temperature negative 2, the wind chill about negative 20. >> they always say jb is known as an adventure traveler does the fact that the falls are partially frozen over give you incentive to think that can you make it over them. >> i don't want to be wednesday 10 miles of buffalo, let alone niagara falls. >> not going over in a barrel? >> nothing. >> let's ask somebody else. we have these dangerously low temperatures they're hitting the midwest today. schools in cities including chicago, cincinnati cleveland, all closed again. wind chill approaching 20 below. you just heard john talk about it. the same problem spreading out across the country. this is a look at the northeast from 200 miles above the earth. shot by of course nasa. that's all snow the white stuff. let's get to chad myers. made it successfully over the falls three times, three barrels of different sizes. >> i was born in buffalo.

you got to take it easy on my town okay? i'm as far upstate as you can get. it's cold everywhere. it's going to get colder tomorrow. we're breaking records across parts of the midwest. into lexington and louisville. it's going to be ten degrees colder tomorrow morning than it is right now. look at the wind chills approaching 40 degrees below zero. lexington, you're at your record and you broke it. pittsburgh, you're 1, your old record is 8 below, you're not going to get there, but you may make it tomorrow as the bulk of the cold air settles in today, the high in detroit gets to 6. the morning low -- 10 degrees below zero that's 42 degrees below where your flesh or water will freeze. it's not just below zero below zero celsius and below zero fahrenheit are different. until you get to 40 below and then they're exactly the same. but it is so very cold all across the midwest and the east and down into florida where all the way down to orlando tomorrow the low of 30 degrees. we'll be covering plants trying

to save things outside. it will be that cold. and it stays that cold all the way through the weekend. although a lot of the northeast warms up for a couple of days. saturday, sunday new york you get into the 40s. but there's a chance of a little bit of icing coming in late in the weekend because the cold air, the ground is very cold and the cold air still wants to stay in place and it could settle there for the next few days. we'll keep watching it. there's the storm across the south. it may make some snow for d.c. or richmond. it will be on saturday into sunday. enough's enough. i think. really? the big story here is that i have one really nice graphic. a little bit of snow but there's 28 days until spring. >> don't bury the lead. two things i like that you personify the cold it wants to stay it's moving. i told it's good to have an enemy we can identify personify the cold very strong and you need a new list of "it's so cold that" fill in the blanks for tomorrow. >> you need like a few of those.

>> i'll work on that. >> you're from buffalo, you can do it. the big news this morning obviously there are more air strikes and more countries helping out. yet isis keeps growing, so we're going to talk to the iraqi ambassador because he says he believes that the territory that isis holds in iraq will be taken back this year. where does the confidence come from? the economy is improving, but are americans giving the president credit? we have the surprising results of a new cnn/orc poll ahead.

is there a way to stop the advance before isis ends up with even more territory, perhaps even closer to europe? joined by bobby ghosh, managing editor of "quartz," i want to look at the map.

starting with where isis has been from the beginning. they took over mosul. they rampaged into iraq and they have been here. but we're looking at, for six months despite air strike after air strike haven't seem to budge. why not? >> these are densely populated areas, you've been to some of these towns. and the united states military back in the day fought vicious battles to try to fight the previous iteration of isis al qaeda in iraq they're very densely populated. it's very hard to conduct a military operation there. the united states doesn't have boots on the ground the iraqi military does not want to sort of go rampaging into their own cities and sort of destroying them. it would be hard for that to happen and to explain that politically. so they're very well entrenched there. they run those cities in a kind of reign of fear and terror. people are not happy to be living under isis let's be clear about that but they're helpless to fight against them. >> people no happier than

perhaps have shiite military or shiite militias to come in and fight. so let's look what's happened over the last few weeks. there's been a spring offensive really from isis right now. waging new battles in kirkuk near erbil. al-baghdadi. where there's u.s. troops. what's isis doing? >> they've gone through a period of three or four months where they took no fresh territory, lost momentum. they've been pushed back in a few places the dam in the north near erbil. they need to rally their own force forces. this is a sort of spring offensive. they're testing the military trainers are there in the military base next to al-baghdadi. they're testing the iraqi forces to see where they're weakest. this is difficult ground for them to take. >> they're not going to take erbil, they're not going to take

kirkuk. but the key word is testing, they're doing it for a reason other than for military gain. >> they're pushing the envelope to see where there might be weakness. for them they've got the big prizes they've got mosul. which is iraq's second biggest city. this is them saying nobody is safe. nowhere is safe we can keep pressing. the commanders of isis don't particularly care if they send hundreds of their men to die into what is effectively a suicide mission. but they see strategically, they can use this to strike terror. baghdad just lifted midnight curfew. okay we'll show you that things are not as safe as you think they are we'll continue to press and probe. >> there are americans in erbil, obviously there are americans near the base in near al-baghdadi on the map. americans in baghdad. does isis want to create some direct confrontation with the u.s. troops? >> well nothing would suit them better. if they can get close enough to engage in a single gun battle against american troops. even if they lose it that's for

them is the great get. they want to show that they can come that close. so far that to the best of our knowledge, that has not happened. it has not been any direct on-the-ground engagement between isis. a lot of the fighters they have drawn from around the world have been lured with the promise that they can go and fight against the infidel from their, in their definition of this. and the americans for them are the ultimate infidel. so if though can get a chance to fight and die, in the fight against americans, that would be for many of their fighters the ideal for them. >> what's the ethnic division right now? you say that the sunni population in mosul, for the other areas under occupation by isis they're not happy, but are they close to rising up and pushing isis out, will there be another sunni awakening like you witnessed firsthand in iraq? >> there will eventually.

the sunni population in mosul is obviously unhappy living under isis control. but they're not convinced that the government in baghdad has their best interests in mind. remember the iraqi army run by that government in baghdad simply walked away when isis arrived. if you're a resident of mosul, you have to ask yourself these guys are terrible but if we rise up to fight against them will baghdad have our back? and baghdad has not demonstrated that. >> if there is a basel for mosul. it will be a bloody one, urban combat bobby ghosh, great to have you with us. good job on all that complicated stuff. we have to keep having the conversation. and the implications matter. not just there, but back here at home. the question is how do americans really feel about president obama? we have surprising new poll numbers. and we're going to break down his approval ratings, especially with handling of the economy. straight ahead. in my world, wall isn't a street. return on investment isn't the only return i'm looking forward to.

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by the terms of that agreement reached just last week. ukraine is calling for u.n. peace-keepers, they say they need monitoring of the crumbling cease-fire. ukraine just pulled most troops out of a key battleground city because of days of violence. you can rest in peace knowing you changed the world. those heart-felt words from kayla mueller's brother during a memorial in arizona last night. this was the first time that kayla's family publicly addressed her death in isis captivity. the 26-year-old aid worker was killed this month. isis claims it was by a jordanian air strike. a big blow for about 800 applicants to carnegie mellon. they were sent emails saying they had been accepted to the graduate commuter science program. only to be found out hours later that the emails were sent by mistake. the school apologized blaming the issue on a computer error from that from the prestigious computer science program there. the computer science program ranked number one in the country

by "u.s. news & world report." >> does berman sue if ice in that position? >> i just cry. just sad. some kind of good history. another chapter written in one of the greatest rivalries in all of sports -- duke/nc. the duke blue devils beat north carolina in overtime. 92-90. last-second shot really amazing. after the game the so-called cameron crazies, the dukies kept the celebration going, lighting a huge bonfire on the duke campus no reports of any of the horrible things we see. and a very nice kumbayah moment they celebrated dean smith. so the economy, improving, that should be boosting the president's approval ratings, right? we like it when we have money in our pocket? do we? chief business correspondent christine romans here with the numbers and implications. >> he doesn't get any love for the improving economy. the economy has been improving. when you look at most recent cnn/orc polls, you can see 47%

of the public approves of the president's handling of the job. and 51% disapprove. that's been stagnant. it hasn't moved. how is he handling the economy? a 45% approve. 54% disapprove. why is this so interesting or troubling? if you're the white house? because the jobless rate has been below 6% since last september. you've got more people with health care coverage. you've got a stakt that's more than tripled since the president has been in office the stock market you've got all the signs pointing to an economic recovery. yet the president doesn't get the love for it we have come from such a horrible chasm that people are still looking over their shoulder. waiting for something bad to happen. but anecdotally you can see the economy is getting better. but the president is not getting a lift in his approval rating for it. >> you think it could be a messaging thing, brianna? you're close to the situation.

>> my theory it's the psychological hangover that so many people who went through the financial crisis are still freaked out, really. >> i think you're right and i think the messaging is also part of it the president couldn't go out there and be a cheerleader for the economy when there were still so many people who were long-term unemployed. the white house has to be careful saying the obama economy is not actually the obama economy. >> all he has to do is look back at eight years ago to see how another president was doing. >> americans don't love the second half of second-term presidents that much. george bush had 43% approval rating at this point. so president obama 47%, bush 34%. >> the economy for bush was a slow recovery. >> so it's better now? >> absolutely. >> for all people not just the highly trained? >> the unemployment rate would have been lower under the second half of the second term of bush too. but the trajectory the rate of increase the rate of change

much greater under obama. >> thank you, christine. well a lot of criticism for st. louis police after the camera on a police cruiser was shut off while a suspect claims he was beaten. why was the camera shut off? we'll have a look at the case reigniting complaints about excessive force.

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a missouri man kicked and tazed during a traffic stop. only some of it caught on dash cam video, because one officer decided midway through the arrest to turnpike the camera off. will ripley spoke with the victim's attorney. >> dash cam video shows police in missouri kicking and tazing a man during this traffic stop until one of the cops decides it's time to stop recording. >> hold up if you guys are worried about cameras, just wait. the video ends drug and weapons charges against the suspect later dropped. the decorated st. louis

metropolitan police officer who stopped the video violated department policy but is still on the force. >> they'll be subject to scrutiny. >> anyone with a smartphone can take video and even stream it online. a growing number of people are turning their phones on police when things get ugly. >> get your phone out. >> this video taken by a 14-year-old in the back seat is evidence that an indiana family's excessive force lawsuit. a seat belt violation last fall led to this by the police. all of it unfolded with children in the back seat. >> my gosh why? >> this cell phone video led to a $1. million settlement for arlene pinnic beaten by the side of a highway last summer by a california highway patrol officer. resigned. >> pin okay survived. eric garner did not. eric garner video shows him

being placed in a chokehold. a grand jury decided not to indict the officer for garner's death. but video like this are proving to be powerful tools catching alleged bad behavior bit police. will ripley. cnn, new york. >> well look when you watch the footage. i think the mistake, when a mistake is made in these situations it's that the by authorities isn't as swift as what the video seems to demand. the man beating the woman on the ground he resign where's the arrest where's the removal. the dash cam story, if it holds true which seems obvious, where's the arrest. why isn't that a crime, what they did? >> are there other cases like that? it makes you wonder. sometimes you have people like that person who was beaten and they're pursuing the case. some people don't. >> i talked to the police they're trained knowing how to behave if cameras are rolling. they have to say things like do

not resist arrest. you are resisting arrest. so there's a video record. >> they should want the video on at all times so there's clarity of what happens. we're going to have a lawyer on because there's more details about how this happened and why and what their theory of the case is as he is now defending the man who was the victim here. so listen in for that coming up. all right we're going to be covering another very big legal matter the "american sniper" trial. this was the day for the defense. blockbuster witnesses, that's what people who watched the trial are calling eddie ray routh's ex-girlfriend and his family. what did they say about this man? how he was before what they thought was going on they're trying to get help for him. and his use of a samurai sword, all ahead.

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big day, pivotal day, any way you want to say it you can't diminish the importance to the defense of what happened yesterday in the "american sniper" trial. this is their big push to say by any definition the man was not

sane at the time. they called the ex-girlfriend, family members to the stand. lots different descriptions of actual episodes. so what did it actually mean legally? even if it was so compelling emotionally. joe judge jackson, a hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. such a bad day for the prosecution, paul callan did not show. so i will be the prosecutor this morning. they bring up people who knew the man. intimately. you know over time knew him. this is the ex-girlfriend, ms. wood. they bring on her sister and her brother-in-law. and what was the general theme that seemed to come through, as evidence? >> that he was insane. listen chris, this is very significant and why is it significant? who knows routh better than family members, the girlfriend the people around him all the time. what's the recurring theme? we had a person who was happy go lucky, who went to iraq who went to a humanitarian mission in haiti and came back a changed man. so when you look at the girlfriend and you see in graphic detail the relationship

that she described. the incident with his family. when he threatened to kill his family policemens and threatened to kill himself. moving on from that, when he held her captive in her own apartment in addition to her roommate with a sword at the door saying no one can go anywhere. >> these are the words of testimony, routh insisted people were out to get us and we needed to stay in the apartment because the apartment was safe. that's textbook paranoia which feeds the idea of an delusion. smart for the defense backing off pts a little bit. that's important because i'm sure those lawyers know in talking to clinicians pts not making you violent it makes you withdrawn. they're saying there was severe mental illness, and it speaks to the fact of the difficulty of people who love someone who is mentally ill, and getting them help. not just the va but help at all. this is just the emotional part of the actual facts and circumstances they can put before they say what they mean with the clinician. so after the killings all

right, because they want to continuum of being mentally ill, what do they say here using family? >> this is significant. because remember right after the killings he goes to his sister's home and she's there with of course her husband, and what does the sister say that's significant? she calls 911, she's describing how he's crazy and she's asked a significant question. is he on drugs? and she says you know what? he was on drugs before. and what does that indicate to me? that she's not describing someone who was under a high or perhaps drunk. she's describing someone who was not of their right mind. what else did she say, chris? she says that the person i know as my brother was not the person who showed up at my home. that's significant. >> all right now, if the prosecution was going to push back here's where it would come in. he said he traded his soul for a pickup. the person who came to my house is not who i know as my brother.

but he came to her and said i took souls today. it shows recognition that what he did was wrong. and the drugs and alcohol. the prosecution has been a little bit of a problem. they put these vials in as evidence of meth and they couldn't establish that they were routh's. the judge said not enough for a mistrial. they came back at this again today. routh said i'm struggling to get clean. here's the thing joey. to a jury clean from what booze? okay marijuana, no real evidence on that. >> it's big, but here's why, when you look at the issue of drug use, you can establish he's a drug user and that motivated his conduct. guess what now you don't have insanity. >> that's what the prosecution wants. >> that's what they want. any voluntary intoxication or drug use, that doesn't excuse murder. but at the same time you twist it for the defense. what do you say -- he needed to use that because he was self-medicating. because he was delusional. because he wasn't a grip of

psychosis and as a result of that. it wasn't the drugs that made him engage in his action it was his psychology that made him do it and he used drugs to lean on them to make him feel better to make him feel whole. my client is insane so says the defense. >> what else is working in here? the chris kyle factor. chad littlefield, you don't want to disrespect the loss to that family of that man as well. however one of the things that comes up yesterday in testimony is that a family members says they were trying to find routh when they thought he was having a real episode of his delusional trouble. and they found him with chris kyle. the jury is also being made very aware, that chris kyle knew this man needed help. wanted to help him. said he wasn't getting enough help. so that's going to play in for the jury as well. what the right thing is to do here. >> and chris, remember also what the mom said. and his mom, that is routh's mom, tried to get him help. when she tried to get him help. she went to kyle and said look help my son. left out a very important detail. and that was, that he threatened routh did, his

family with death and himself. and had perhaps kyle known that other precautions could have been taken. >> often trials are metaphors or examples for things that are going on in society at large. sometimes they're not. here the inability of a family to get help for someone who is clearly mentally ill. the inability of a system the va in this case to adequately treat those people. so you have someone that everybody knew was a time bomb essentially, that came out in evidence yesterday and then we have this event. >> he was at the va routh was, getting medical treatment. family begging don't let him out. eight days prior, they let him out. he's on nine different medications foccurs places into the defense's role. he didn't know right from wrong. >> yesterday goes to the defense this is the meat of their case, the best they can do the next step to bring in experts. for the prosecutors, all they have to show is yeah i get it i get what was fueling him. i get it all this goes into his

motive. but his intent at the time was to kill and he knew that he was killing. and fits our definition of sane. is that fair? it doesn't matter, you only know what you show at trial. >> callan could have tipped those scales the other way. he's not here to defend. >> if you don't show we don't know. we're following a lot of news this morning, we're going do get to it for you. isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. >> we need muslim americans and other muslims to partner with us i've never heard the president get as close as he did today. >> it's not a revolution or jihad, it's a slaughter. the growing threat of isis the italian government deploying counterterrorism police. >> the jihadist groups said they would hang their black flag over st. peter's square. it needs to be more than just italy. it's got to be the coalition against the islamic state. >> he's doing what every mother would do is protect her baby. >> they find themselves defending mayer's role in possibly escalating the situation. >> this can go from rage to

outlandish behavior. this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome back to "new day," alisyn and michaela are off. i'm chris cuomo joined by brianna keilar and john berman. the president with his strongest call to fight islamic terror without using the word "islamic." the president says he rejects that term because it gives terrorist groups legitimacy and they don't deserve it. >> he'll focus on strengthening an international alliance. we begin with michelle kosinski live at the white house. >> we heard president obama say during his speech yesterday that you have to confront twisted ideology squarely and honestly. head on. you can't shy away from the discussion. but you know for the last couple of weeks, the white house has come under fire for never wanting to use the words "islamic extremism."

and seeming to shy away from using that as part of the discussion. we had a few people demonstrating outside the white house and one of them had a big sign that said "just say it." especially when you are seeing the programs being highlighted. they're geared toward the muslim communities in america. the president has addressed the criticism head-on. explaining the administration's thinking on this. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam. we must never accept the premise that they put forward. because it is a lie. nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. are not religious leaders, they're terrorists. >> and we are not at war with

islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> the president also called on communities themselves to take responsibility. and said that muslim leaders need to do more to counter this ideology. the online aspect is also figured heavily into this summit. president saying we need to amplify somehow the voices of peace and tolerance. and also that the international community needs to give people an alternative. in these vulnerable communities. offering them more opportunities. he said that you know maybe one of the antidotes in the long-term is making sure that young people in some of these places simply know that they have a future. brianna? >> michelle kosinski for us at the white house, thank you. kurdish forces battling a new round of attacks by isis. do the peshmerga fighters have what it takes to slow the terrorists? or will isis march through iraq

and syria and rage on to libya? let's get now to cnn's senior international correspondent, ben wedeman. ben, tell us how things look from your vantage point. >> we're on a river here this bridge behind me was blown by isis last summer and some of the kurdish fight who are are here now, were telling me that within an hour during a battle they were able to rig explosives and blow it up and it gives you an idea of the kind of skill, professionalism they have that is putting some of the people like the kurds who are fighting them to the test. just down the river from here 20 just over 24 hours ago. kurdish forces were able to repulse an isis assault, but only with the help of coalition aircraft. now we understand there's been another series of coalition air strikes in that area where the battle took place. between seven and eight isis fighters were killed. but it's the coalition aircraft that really make the difference. and when you speak to kurdish fighters they will tell you they are missing some of the

basics of modern warfare. they don't have night vision they don't have a lot of armored vehicles. they have equipment. some of it dating back to the second world war. and they say to really push isis back to regain territory, to stop the momentum they need modern equipment. that they just don't have. at the moment. chris? >> ben, thank you very much. stay safe we'll check back with you later. let's get more about isis and the challenges making iraq from iraq's ambassador to the united states. ambassador, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> so you say that you believe that this year your forces will be able to recapture territory now being held by isis? from where does the confidence come? >> from the experience dealing with isis dealing with terrorism. over the last decade. from the determination of the people from the new political in iraq and from international

support. >> let's look at each of those components that you put into what you see as confidence the reports from the ground are not promising. it seems that isis is expanding and the iraqi army while doing better is still falling short in direct conflict. do you not see the situation the same way? >> no we see that the trend is in support of our attack and in taking initiative in areas, certainly there are hit-and-run incidents taking place, certainly we need support across all the fronts they are not just one there of fighting. it's a multilayered a complicated theater. a number of forces that we need to get better coordination. the allied are involved more and more. we need more. your report talked about air control. that's a vital, that's a game-changer. we never had it now we have it we need more of that. >> is it true thaw need more of unity among your people and that may be one of the ingredients into a lack of resolve among the fighting force? >> there are political issues in

iraq it's a new democracies away from dictatorship. the communities are now empowered, therefore we need to work better on the politics side. i don't think that's the issue any longer with a new government a unified government a coalition type of a government that's not the issue. the issue we have now is better coordination between the various fightings, the peshmerga, the allied the iraqi forces the people's mobilization forces the volunteers and everybody else. we need to better coordination. >> you know that within your own society, you have an ethnic minority that does not feel they've been properly integrated, that's why the sunnis have been with anything leaving to fight with the enemy instead of joining the cause at the right rates, don't you think that's something you have to address? >> no the issues we have are multilayered the politics is somewhat complicated. however, the government has the determination.

31% arab sunnis as part of the cabinet have already made that determination. it's not the issue of not having the right partners. we do have the right partners. it's just that isis is a foreign entity it's an invasion sophisticated organization as your report highlighted. we need to be better equipped better able. and i'm sure that the politics is on the right side. we need the allies and others to provide us with that game-changer. >> isis is not a true sovereign. it is wholly dependant on its ability to recruit and radicalize. listen to what president obama said yesterday that goes to the heart of what the problem is. take a listen. >> we have to address the grievances that terrorists exploit. when millions of people especially youth are impoverished and have no hope for the future when corruption inflicts daily humiliations on people when there are no outlites by which people can

express their concerns. resentments fester. the risk of instability and extremism grow. >> now, when you hear those words of the president, do you agree that that is a fair description of what is happening within your own society? >> it's a spot-on description of the regional phenomenon. iraq has democracy, we also add other components which the president didn't talk about, which is that we're moving away from dictatorship. the region itself is not known, well known for democracy. there are certainly demographic changes, not just in iraq but iraq has an additional component. which is the forefront, the fault line in relation to all the factor which is the president talked about. >> now, the united states has been making suggestions that it wants to arm the kurds directly. that they're taking on the fight very aggressively. they need the help. you heard it from our reporter as well there's been push-back from the government saying no

have the weapons come through baghdad, we'll distribute them to the kurds. but that obviously plays on another problem in your society. that the kurds don't trust that necessarily. should the u.s. be able to arm them directly? >> it's not an issue of trust. >> it is for the kurds. >> just simple numbers, the president is a kurd the majority of senior ministries related to finance and others are kurds. chief of the army is a kurd. it's not that it's not an issue of the composition of that. it's to do more with keeping sure that the unity of the country, the perception and the fact of the unity is the country is intact. it's not, there has not been any political agenda against peshmerga or our peshmerga fighters. >> then why not allow them to be armed directly. >> it's no the that surely you would want the central government to have control and have some issues of transparency and others so that the unity of the government is controlled. the army as i said -- >> the unity of the government.

did seems like if your need is those fighters then arm them directly. that's clear. >> i would say the unity of the government. i said the unity of -- isis provided a threat existential threat to the unity of the state. it challenged the state. surely as any respectable and accountable state, they need to reflect responsibilities and make sure all components of that society work together. the kurds get their weapons within 24 hours standing in baghdad and then goes down. they are our fighters the peshmerga are our fighters the other, other components of iraq are our fighters. we have a unity against the fight against isis. it's not -- >> that's got to hear mr. ambassador because you know that's a concern that is consistently raised, let me ask you one other quick question thank you again for being with us on "new day." when you think about isis and what you are fighting in your enemy, would you say that you are fighting against an islamic

enemy? >> isis is neither islamic nor a state. it's a tumor, a cancerous tumor. it certainly has damaged more the doctrine sunni doctrine or the islamic doctrine it's neither of them. we don't see it that way. >> you do not see these as muslim people that you're fighting? >> it's not just i, all the iraqis all of those who war against it all the international community. it's not, it's the issue of islamic i think is not the core issue here. the issue is the practices, the doctrine they're not allowing the composition of iraq with all its all diversity and rich heritage to remain. what they did in afghanistan more than a decade ago, they are doing it tailly in iraq. we should not allow in a. that's the key issue here. >> mr. ambassador thank you very much for clarifying the situation from there. we look forward to checking in with you again. >> thank you. there are at least two fronts now in the battle against isis. there's iraq which chris was

talking about and there is the bat until syria. and the united states there's word that united states might expand support for syrian rebels. let's bring in pentagon correspondent barbara starr with more. >> the so-called moderate syrian rebels the long-awaited training program for them is now expected to start in jordan next month we now know that the pentagon plans to equip them with trucks light weapons, radios gps communications gear. all of it. the goal is to get them trained up and ready to fight isis back inside syria. a couple of key developments have now emerged. there is also consideration to having them assist very key word in calling in u.s. air strikes on the ground. the idea it's been done before the peshmerga helped call in u.s. air strikes. you'll recall against kobani in syria civil weeks ago. it worked because the peshmerga were very trusted, vetted fighters. the risk here is that many

people worry, the syrian rebels may not have the skills may have other agendas, and having them call in u.s. air strikes inside syria, could be a risky proposition. at the same time the u.s. involvement also deepening, because once the people are on the ground the u.s. has to support them. one of the things on the table, the possibility of u.s. air support over syria for those rebels on the ground. brianna? >> barbara at the pentagon thank you so much. the justice department could take action against ferguson missouri police for perceived racial discrimination. officials tell cnn that the doj will file suit if ferguson police don't agree to review and change some practices. following a civil rights investigation on the heels of the michael brown shootings. the results of the investigation should be revealed in the coming weeks. all right. meet the new boss, same as the acting boss. the white house says interim secret service director joseph

clancy will lose the "interim" part and get the job permanently to finish the allusion to the who song he hopes to "not get fooled again." he took over after a series of embarrassing security breaches and lapses. by tapping clancy the president ignored an independent panel's conclusion that the job should go to an outsider. brian williams getting support from his daughter actress allison williams she spoke out for the first time since her father's scandal that earned him a six-month suspension from nbc. allison williams said it has been really hard on the family. she says her father is an honest truthful man who can be trusted, she says adding as any good daughter has done, she has tested him on that. you know it's interesting. and why it's important to hear from allison williams. brian williams can't talk. as part of his six-month suspension from nbc, he's not allowed to comment to the media about all of the allegations and findings against him over the last several weeks.

so you know hearing from his daughter is interesting. >> fair to ask a daughter? >> i think so. >> i think you can't have her on without asking her. >> how is the family doing, ha does she have to say. >> i think she wants to answer. think aside from being fair to answer you think she wants to stick up for her dad. >> it will be interesting to see what time does for or to brian williams in terms of how people see what happened and where there's any forgiveness or what the right fix has to be. all right. what's next? for eastern ukraine after troops pulled out of a strategic town stormed by pro russian rebels? so much for the cease-fire. now other nato states could be at risk from russia as well. we will show you why. and does the president of the united states love america? well not according to former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. what did he say? john king will explain coming up on "inside politics."

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leaders of ukraine, russia france and germany have agreed to make another push to get all sides to abide by the cease-fire reached last week that really never got under way. ukrainian president poroshenko calling for peace-keepers to step in after intense fighting with pro russian rebels forced ukrainian troops to withdraw from a key city. joining me now is admiral james devredi certain who led allied

forces during the 2011 mission in libya. admiral, thanks for being with us. let's talk about what we're seeing here. ukrainian forces who were really forced to withdraw from the strategic city of debaltseve after there was this intense fighting with russian-backed rebels. how important is this? >> i think it is a critical turning point in the sense that it shows us that ukraine, if unaided, with any kind of military assistance really can't stand up to these russian-backed insurgents. 90% of those troops have come out of the strategic town brianna. but the ability of the ukrainian military to reset an reengage is very low. that's why you're seeing president poroshenko call for u.n. peace-keepers, which is very unlikely. >> that's very unlikely. what would it take then for vladimir putin to observe the cease-fire? is there anything that ukraine

or allies can do? >> i put at the top of the listings brianna, continue the sacks sanctions. they're having an effect on the economy, coupled with the collapse in the oil prices and the fall of the ruble. putting real financial pressure on russia. secondly continuing the international aspect of sanctions through united nations through dialogue that is directed against the russians. third, reenforce nato allies who are on the front line. the baltic states. estonia, latvia lith waneuanialithuania. and poland. and provide military assistance to the ukrainian military. that's not boots on the ground. but it is systems that can take on these advanced russian weapons. >> you mentioned the baltic states just a moment ago. we heard from the foreign minister of britain, who is

talking about this pressure on the baltics. he says that nato really needs to prepare for russia to be looking beyond the crimea. beyond ukraine. you mentioned latvia lith waneuania, estonia. how real is the ukrainian threat to those nations? >> unfortunately it is quite real because each of those states has a significant russian-speaking population. so you'll recall that was the pretext under which russia invaded ukraine and annexed crimea. was to protect the russian-speaking minority. this is particularly true in estonia. i was in estonia last summer. spoke with the president. there is real concern there. and i believe that the british foreign minister is exactly right. nato needs to reassure. nato has created a new so-called spearhead force, which is 5,000 troops immediately deemployable to respond to something like this. but we need more rotational forces into the baltics and into

poland to reassure our allies in eastern europe. >> i want to talk a little bit now, admiral, about isis and about libya. isis now beginning to get a toehold in libya. this is very alarming in 2011 a nato operation, something that you heralded as a model for intervention and many others did as well. think the hope was that it would create space for there to be perhaps a movement towards democracy with the ouster of moammar gadhafi. do you have any doubts now that that was the right strategy or perhaps it wasn't followed up with the political cohesion that was needed? >> brianna, i think you've got it right. we're in a period of real turbulence in libya. with an on-the-ground, ongoing civil conflict between an internationally recognized government and an islamist force

centered in tripoli. and dropped in the middle of the mix is a dose of islamic state. bad combination and clearly a period of great turbulence. however, over the long throw, i would bet on the emergence of a relatively stable government and a good situation in libya. why? because they have enormous oil, particularly on a per capita basis. they have an enveeable geographic position close to europe. long sea coast. they have an educated population. this is a very dark period for libya. but i would argue that over the long throw, having gotten rid of a brutal dictator like moammar gadhafi, they will come out ahead in the end. >> all right. and real quick question before i let you go you have isis now, admiral ratcheting up threats against italy. we have a full screen it's rather long i'm not going to read the whole thing. but basically it says we will conquer your rome break your crosses and enslave your women. it goes on.

could isis realistically invade or have any sort of effect beyond many some lone actor inspired violence in italy. >> i think it's worth remembering that it's only 100 miles or so between libya and the southern islands of italy. i think the distance between the united states and parts of cuba. it's an easy crossable body of water. not going to be an invasion. but the idea of cells, terror cells being nestled into migrants illegal migrants moving across or simply hiring boats and coming across in small numbers, i think unfortunately is a real possibility. the italians certainly think so. they're preparing for it. we ought to be assisting them. >> and they're very much neighbors. you can see on the map. admiral stavridis. thanks so much for being with us. potentially powerful political news the clinton

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important development in the war, kurdish forces fighting off another round of attacks by isis. the terrorists have been targeting kurdish-controlled areas, trying to get a foothold in iraq. now an iraqi official confirms that isis burned up to 40 people alive, including police force members. it happened 10 miles from an air base where hundreds of u.s. troops are stationed. rear admirable john kirby is is resigning as press secretary for the defense department. he was the first uniformed service member to serve in that capacity. the changes being made because the new defense secretary ashton carter wants a civilian in that position. there are allegations of racism within the bridgeport connecticut police after an

anonymous threatening letter with the words "white power" makes its way through the depart. a detective says it was type on department letterhead. officers say this is the third threatening letter in the last year the first one that identifies an officer by name. this "wheel of fortune" contestant very good probably could have won the cnn quiz show. a 17-letter puzzle, no problem for this guy. >> we start with you, a letter please. >> t. >> one t. >> championship match. >> yeah that's right. >> no way. no way! >> no way. >> well that guy like -- >> he gets a clue right? >> that was a quality shirt. tapper probably has one just like it and i'll tell you it does smack of the quiz show in that a very suspicious end to that one as well. a lot of allegations about the

cnn quiz show i don't get -- >> maybe that guy was just really good. >> it can't be that. >> sure. >> 17 letters and you come up with championship match? >> like the quiz show. >> not impressed. can't wait to see you on the next edition of cnn quiz show. >> it is time now to go "inside politics" on "new day." john king please help us. >> you're going to lose at the cnn quiz show it should be held in hawaii that's the answer to that one. you should get the fancy shirts and the beach. let's go "inside politics." with me to share their insight, jackie kucinich of the daily beast and the "national journal." hillary clinton is running for president, she hasn't declared yet. but she's running for president, they're raising money from foreign sources, they raise money from the united arab emirates saudi arabia and, qatar and oman.

ron, you wrote a story about this in the "national journal." you called it stupid and sleazy. why? >> why mince words? nobody is questioning whether or not this is a good charitable foundation doing some good things around the world, it is. the pro problem is first of all politically it's stupid because they're taking money from countries that going against what hillary clinton's brand these countries taking money from foreign countries, it raising the level, what is it they're getting, they're expecting for that money. even the obama administration said this was not right. which is why they were not allowed to take these donations when she was secretary of state. >> well it's not like she could recuse herself. if she's president, either she's dealing with these countries. it's problematic, you wonder why they don't reinforce the ban and this goes away. >> they were doing this when she

was out of office she won the presidential campaign in 2008. her husband was running the foundation. he was doing it whether you like it or not. the white house said don't do it when you're secretary of state. bill clinton agreed. he backed off. but if the president had to tell them not to do this why do they think if she's gearing up again, that it's okay to go back to do it? >> we've seen this before. you and i have covered them a long time. they're not a corrupt couple like a lot of people say. when he was governor of arkansas they could have made a lot of money off that state, they didn't. they're not personally corrupt people i don't believe. but they have this obsession with campaign money. can't stand the idea that they might lose because they didn't raise enough money. it's part of their mentality as campaigners. so they just you know this is part of their dna to go get money any way they can. >> is it a gateway for republican critics to start running the old grainy images of the white house coffees? one of the big questions of the bill clinton presidency was using places within the white house for fundraising.

>> why do they do that? it's unnecessary. they could run the foundation without $2 million from saudi arabia. >> and you have to wonder it really doesn't make any sense at the end of the day. because -- why? >> they'll change their position because it's the right thing to do. >> do they wait until it officially declares? >> if they're smart, they do it now. >> the clinton foundation did put out a statement saying number one it's a philanthropy period as with global charities it receives support from individuals organizations and governments from all over the world. they say they've been transparent and have filed the paperwork and it's out there. not a question of hiding anything it's a question of whether it's smart. >> it's a charity, it has their names on it. >> they deserve credit for disclosing it. so why not go all the way. if you're going to be a good corporate citizens and good ngo citizens then stop taking money from foreign governments. >> do you notice not just that they're foreign governments, it's governments who have human rights practices and treatment of their own people --

>> and women. >> the economic relationships, strategic relationships people would say is that a conflict of interest. but more importantly if she wants to make the case that i'm going to break the glass ceiling. >> a couple of these countries support terrorism. she's on record saying they support terrorism. but yet she's taking money from them. i don't get it. >> we'll see if there's push-back from the clintons. let's move on to poll numbers. the big question for the president for the last two years, how can he stay out of the lame duck status. the president is at 47% disapproval. about 51% disapprove. it's about static from a year ago. i want to get into the economic numbers. this is what's interesting. the president sort of holding stedsdy, it's not horrible numbers, not great. he's holding steady. people are feeling better about the economy. that's usually the tide that lifts a president. how do you feel about the economy, 36%, a year ago felt good about the economy. now 48%, about half of the american people. if you ask people what do you think about a year from now, 56% say they think the economy is going to be better a year from

now. yet, how is the president handling the economy? 45% approve. 54% disapprove. why isn't the president getting credit for the improving economy? >> it's interesting. also something like gas prices every single day you're going to the gas pump and not getting, you're paying a decent amount for gas. so it really you really have to wonder. i don't know the answer. >> i can't, i don't have any data to back this up. my gut tells me the american public thinks this is happening despite obama and despite congressional leaders, they feel the economy coming back and they feel the impact of gas prices we've seen polls, their faith in government and faith in leaders has plummeted. they don't see, they see the president not getting his agenda through. they see gridlock they see petty bickering, petty bickering, nothing getting done. they figure this is happening on its own. >> i think also their faith in

over the horizon. do our leaders, democrat or republican. presidential or congress have an idea for what a 25-year plan for what are we going to teach our kids? are they going to be ready for the economy, the american dream question. >> when you're part of a system that the public doesn't trust, it's hard to expect that your numbers will get any higher. rudy giuliani in a fundraiser in new york a meeting of big republicans, including, including the presidential candidate on the republican side the wisconsin governor scott walker. rudy giuliani says this in context, he's not the mayor of new york city he's not running for anything he can say whatever he wants. a likely presidential candidate is sitting a few feet away when he says this. i do not believe, i know this is a horrible thing to say, i do not believe that the president loves america, he doesn't love you. and he doesn't love me. he wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and i was brought up, through love of this country. >> you can be as opposed to the president of the united states as you want to be. you don't say that anybody in this country, much less the

president of the united states doesn't love the country. unless you can prove it. that is deplorable. that is wrong. i actually think you can lk say it's unpatriotic to accuse somebody of that. >> it reflects more poorly on him. >> it can be dangerous, we can't have a country where half the public thinks that the president doesn't love their country. it's not healthy. >> he's not in public office any more. he's i guess entitled to -- >> he can say whatever he wants. >> as a citizen he can say whatever he wants. >> he was america's mayor after 9/11 and god bless him for what he did after 9/11. >> i look at him differently as a citizen. he has the free right to say that i look at him as much more desperate and deserving of less respect after saying something like that. >> i assume scott walker next time he does a public event, he gets asked about that. >> he should have stood up and denounced it.

president obama said in 2008 that president bush's handling of the debt was unpatriotic. president obama should have not said that about president bush. they shouldn't say that because president bush loves his country. president clinton loves the country and president obama loves the country. >> that will be talked about. mr. berman as we get back to new york. remember joe biden saying hello to ashton carter's wife using the two-hand and the whisper treatment. david letterman thought it was worthy of top ten. >> top ten things that joe biden said at this moment. number three, ever heard of a second, second lady? number two, i don't have a time machine, but-day have a hot tub. and the number one thing joe biden said at this moment -- in the words of rude bader ginsberg i'm not 100% sober. >> ah the life of joe biden. >> you know it's hard to make

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an arrest in st. louis you need to know about. it was captured on dash cam video. kind of. officers wrestled quartez buffer to the ground. he's kicked tazed and then comes the "kind of" part because the brutality taken to another level. take a listen. >> all of you, hold up. hold up. everybody hold up. we're red right now, so if you guys are worried about cameras, just wait. >> that's the voice of a female officer. we're told saying we're red,

meaning that the dash board camera was recording. and another officer turns it off. joining us now, joel schwartz the attorney who filed the suit against the st. louis police department on behalf of mr. buffer. thank you for joining us on "new day," sir. >> good morning. >> what have you received from the police in terms of apologies, admissions of wrongdoing et cetera? we have received quite the opposite of admissions of wrongdoing. they are stating that their actions were appropriate. in this instance. >> when they say actions, are they talking about what they did to mr. buffer? or what they did with the dash cam video? >> the dash cam video has not been discussed with us. obviously that's a violation of departmental policy. as far as the tazing and the kicking, they are stating that that is proper police procedure. we would quarrel with that. >> let's put up the statement. we have to inpack it's what they did to buffer and why and what they did with the dash

camera they both matter. as for the first part the officers were not acting out of line at any time during the arrest. the person involved in the altercation had a semiautomatic gun and the officers were protecting themselves and the public. they did what had to be done to protect themselves. the fact pattern, he does an illegal u-turn they smell marijuana and find marijuana and a loaded gun on buffer. was wrestled out of the car and this is what ensues do you rebut any of those allegations? >> we rebut virtually all of the allegations. we're not arguing with the fact that there was a gun. however we're quarrelling with the fact that the gun was relevant to the situation. the gun was not located until after the camera was turned off. so there is no gun located during the course of the entire encounter unless and until it happens off-camera once the officer turns the camera off. >> i want to get to the second part. i want to get to the camera part. i want to make sure we go

through this we have to inform suspicion, what is suspicion in these situations? well what kind of kid is this? this 18-year-old. what did the cops think they were dealing with? there's a loaded gun. they were at risk. what can you tell us about buffer in terms of what he presented to police as a threat? >> he presented no threat to the police whatsoever. he hadn't committed any traffic violations contrary to what the police are alleging. he has not had any prior convictions and he's a good kid. >> except for the loaded gun in the car. how do you explain that? >> i can't explain that. that is a violation of law. however, that is really not relevant to this conversation. as none of the officers were aware there was a loaded gun on his person or in the vehicle at the time. >> point taken on that. so now let's go to the second part. have you ever heard of cops having a discussion like this in process, of saying whoa whoa better turn off the camera before we go any further? >> i was not aware they had the capabilities to turn the camera off on site and i've never heard of something like this

occurring. >> is there any explanation that could be offered to you that would make this okay? >> i don't think there's a reasonable explanation that would make this okay. >> the idea that it is a violation of department policy. is that enough? have these officers been fired? should this be a crime, doing something like this? what is the intentionality in turning off the camera except the obvious, which is very frightening. >> the obvious is that this is not only a violation of departmental policy but the video would be evidence in a criminal investigation and in turning off that video, you could argue that it's tampering with evidence. >> now okay. but even that is a little benign. it's a little bit of an innocent explanation. what happens after they turn off the dash cam video? you don't know because we don't get to see it. what do you hear from your client happened after they turned off the video? >> most of the kicking and tazing was done prior to the camera being turned off. our client indicates that he was kicked at least one more time. maybe twice more.

once the camera had been turned off. >> what do you think, what do you think was going through their heads? i know lawyers always say we can't get into their mind. let's set it aside for a second. from what you understand of the situation, what do you think it was about? >> instinctively as well as intellectually the officer who turned the camera off knew what they were doing was wrong as a violation of policy and a violation of our client's civil rights. at that point she turned off the camera. >> what do you think should be done to the officers in this situation? >> that's not for me to decide. >> well it's for society to decide. what has the department done so far? >> i know the department conducted an internal affairs investigation, i have not been made privy to what the rulgts were or what they intend to do with any or all of the officers. as far as the general public is concerned, the trust needs to be there, people need to see this and police officers need to understand that this is certainly not acceptable. >> especially this coming in st. louis, so close to ferguson. obviously there's been such a spotlight on that area.

the charges were dropped. because the action of turning off the dash cam video diminished the evidentiary merits of the case as far as you know anything from the police department in terms of investigating the officers for excessive force? >> no they don't tell me those things i have no no new information at this point. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. am i pushing it too far in saying it seems like something that should be actionable against the officers by the department if not by the district attorney? what do you think, go to "new day," go to facebook.com/newday. brianna? two very different sides of a road rage controversy. the family of a mother gunned down is defending her decision to confront the man who ended up killing her. but not everyone is buying the story. we'll tell you why.

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the family of a woman killed after a road rage incident is coming to her defense. they say tammy myers is the victim no questions asked, but questions are being asked about her role in the incident and what she did to put herself in danger. cnn's sarah sidner explains. >> reporter: filled with sorrow the family of tammy myers walks by her make shift memorial as they prepare to make funeral arrangements. myers, a mother of four, shot and killed after a road rage incident. >> she was doing what every mother would do is protect her baby. >> reporter: but while the family first explained this as a case of road rage only on the part of the suspected killer they now find themselves defending myers' role in possibly escalating the situation. initially the family only revealed details that the driver

suspected of killing myers went off the handle with no provocation, but new details are emerging. police say myers was finishing up a driving lesson with her daughter in the parking lot just two minutes from their home and then the two left the school and ended up in some kind of altercation with the man who would eventually kill tammy myers. >> the vehicle came up at a high rate of speed behind her and then pulled off to the side and ultimately cut in front of her. as that vehicle did that her daughter had reached over and honked the horn. >> reporter: police say myers and that driver sketched here argued. myers and her daughter drove home. >> her 22-year-old son came out of the house, got into the car. he was armed with a firearm that is registered to him and then they left the house. they left the house in search of that person they were -- that mrs. myers was involved in an incident with just prior. >> reporter: police say they found the driver they were looking for but gave no details

on what happened in that second encounter. what we do know is myers and her son returned home and this time the suspect followed. gunfire was exchanged and tammy myers was struck in the head. despite the criticism that myers and her son may have had a hand in escalating the situation, her family says no one should ever have died over something so trivial. sarah sidner cnn, las vegas. >> thanks to sarah, and we will stay on that story. when we come back nuance or nonsense. the terrorist name game continuing in washington. president obama spending a lot of time describing who we are not at war with. is this worth it? we discuss. cold medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip and pow, it opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do

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st. peter's square. >> incoherent, nonsensetences sentences -- nonsensical, even erratic. >> he's all crazy. he's [ bleep ]. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." thursday, february 19th, 8:00 in the east. alisyn is off, chris cuomo, brianna keilar is here. we are not at war with islam, we are at war with terrorists who don't deserve the name islamic. this is part of his basis for refusing to even acknowledge that the terrorists are islamic. >> the president urging muslim leaders to fight the misconception that groups like isis speak for them. the debate over what to call these extremists seemingly a distraction as a three-day summit wraps up today.

let's start off our coverage with michelle kosinski. she's live at the white house. >> reporter: hi brianna. you listen to the president's words you can't shy away from the discussion, you have to confront it head on, take on this twisted ideology squarely and honestly but then over the last couple of weeks this white house has come under fire for never wanting to use the words islamic extremism. words don't really change the reality, and we all know there are other kinds of extremism, but at times it would reach the point of awkwardness, the reluctance with which they seem to not want to have that as part of the discussion, especially when you look at the programs that are highlighted during the summit they all focus on muslim communities in america. well now the president spells out his thinking on this also calling on communities themselves to take some responsibility. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves

as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam. >> we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> just as leaders like myself reject the notion that terrorists like isil genuinely represent islam muslim leaders need to do more to discredit the notion that our nations are going to depress islam. the international community has to offer something better. there will be a military component to this. there are savage cruelties going on out there that have to be stopped. >> you heard him there, too, the president wanting to emphasize and emphasize again that this is not a war against islam. he says that's what terrorists want people to think, and if it's repeatedly called islamic extremism, that could just expand that ideology and possibly attract more recruits. there he spells it out. we're going to hear from the president shortly just in the

next few hours speaking to foreign ministers and other leaders from around the world. brea'anna. >> michelle we'll be tuning in. thank you. kurdish forces pushing back. do the peshmerga fighters have what it takes to stop the isis advance? let's go now to cnn's senior international correspondent, ben wideman. is he outside of irbil. ben. >> reporter: brianna, what we do know is the kurdish forces have the will to fight isis. they have been feeding them now since last summer. in fact isis launched a major assault just 30 miles to the west of irbil, the kurdish capitol. it happened just up the river -- rather down the river from here. they were able to repulse them but only after the coalition airstrikes airstrikes. there have been more coalition airstrikes we understand on positions from which the isis assaults were launched. kurdish officials telling us

somewhere between 7 and 8 isis fighters were hit, but of course this underscores two things on the one hand it's now over six months that these coalition airstrikes have been taking place but isis is still able to operate and challenge the kurdish forces. the kurdish forces will quickly tell you that isis outguns them because of all the weaponry they were able to loot from the retreating iraqi army last summer. the kurds for their part have much less in terms of fire power and equipment. so they have the will. they don't necessarily have the way. chris? >> thank you very much ben. appreciate the reporting. please stay safe there. let's get more from minnesota senator al franken. he spoke on wednesday. he is the ranking member of the privacy, policy subcommittee. >> who is the u.s. fighting? >> we're fighting these pretty

evil group, a brutal barbaric group. they call themselves isis. i'm not sure if the language of who you call -- these are people who have clearly perverted islam. i don't -- the president of the united states is also speaking to people you know in indonesia, the largest muslim country, and i think the point is he's trying not to legitimize their usurptation of the use of the term islam. this is not a legitimate interpretation of the term islam is what the president is saying. >> does that work for you? is this nuance or nonsense? >> they are muslims, they're bad muslims, but they're muslims and they believe that islamism which is their theocracy base -- >> look i don't know if it

makes that much difference. i'm not that interested in this debate. what i'm interested in is my minnesota somali community here in minnesota, a small number about a dozen have gone to syria to fight with isis. before that the number had gone to somalia to fight with shabab which is an al qaeda affiliate. >> sure. >> so yesterday we were in the white house and the day before to talk to the administration about leading a community effort. >> right. >> this is an effort to be led by the community to give some alternatives to these young people who have chosen this path. >> well that's the threat right? >> good meeting. >> that's the threat right? just as we're saying drk the president's saying about the

region, that if you have a population that you allow to become disaffected and not have avenues to dignity, they are right for radicalization. you have your own battles. you have the could the trade, the oahala system the lending system that can be abusive to funnel money so what are you doing to control it? >> i think you have to be -- i think you have to be careful about that because that hasn't been -- that isn't the case in terms of remittances. remittances are important to somalis here. what we really have been concerned with and this started about ten years ago or so or maybe a little less, of young somali minnesotans going to somalia because shabab was an affiliate of al qaeda. >> right. >> ethiopia had come into somalia. there is a historical entity between somalia and ethiopia and some somali minnesotans were attracted to fight with shabab to go to the homeland. that the community worked there

to try to discourage that i think with some success, but then now we have about a dozen or so minnesotans in syria with isis and we had community leaders, imams, others who had been on a shoestring budget providing programs for these kids to steer them in a different direction, steer them away from bad choices, including things like drugs and gangs. >> right. >> but also making a horrible mistake and a tragic mistake. >> right. >> this has been a tragedy for these families it's been a tragedy for the community, and that's what we were talking about yesterday. >> so it fed into your concern about the strategy you wrote a letter to eric holder in september saying you wanted to know what the strategy was against isis. the president has now outlined it. are you satisfied? >> well this is one tool what

we're talking about here which is not -- you know to go after recruitment in the united states. i think it's a much bigger problem in europe but every kid who goes there to do this, it's a tragedy, again, for him or her and then for his family and then for the somali minnesota community which is a very vibrant community here. >> right. >> just a few kids. >> please. finish your point. >> no i was saying this is very much about the community taking the lead and there are some people from this community who are with -- same with the vice president and the vice president saying what do you need? what do you need? we need resources. right now there's three programs one in boston one in minnesota, and one in l.a. to address this and to give some resources to these communities.

about $15 million over the first year $5 million per community we think. and this is going to be led by the community. >> well good. we look forward to tracking the progress with that. it's obviously a big component at home and certainly even more so abroad. let me take two step sideways with you. the first step is -- >> sure. >> -- a little bit of looking at the republican field. scott -- governor walker comes up. now they're saying he didn't finish college. do you believe that's relevant in assessing whether someone should be president? >> no, i don't. >> okay. >> you know -- >> i'll take it. i'll take it. i'll take the answer as given, senator. and then some good events to talk about. the snl 40th anniversary. what did it mean to you, sir? >> it was wonderful. i was there and saw so many old friends. i thought the show was great, and i thought that people came to play. and i thought the approach to

different, you know parts of the show the commercials, the films, the musical segments that cast members did, all of that was really just brilliantly done and i had a great time. i had a great time. also very nostalgic. >> obviously one of the many things that you were known for during your time there was stewart smally of course. you were much more than your comedy pedigree however, do you ever feel -- i love the part with you and jordan doing stewart smally i'll never forget it. do you ever feel that those smally sentiments are actually kind of needed in the country right now? even though you can't really play that role as a senator but do you feel that the message is kind of needed that we are good enough and doggone it people like us? >> well you know what that piece was about was actually about the recovery movement about the 12-step recovery movement. >> right. >> and it was a way of -- it was

one of the few kind of pieces on the show a character on the show that had a lot of levels to them i think. and i was very proud of that and i think that the message in 12-step programs when properly understood and worked on are very good very helpful. >> you know just throwing it out there. just throwing it out there, senator. >> no, i think you were reducing it to -- part of what was i think funny about stewart was that in a way he was very lame but also there was a lot of wisdom there in spite of his own wisdom. >> i don't think he was lame at all. it was solely your own, senator franken. i'm a fan. >> he was outwardly lame but inwardly profound. >> i'll take it. i've only heard half of that about myself.

>> but -- but -- but yesterday was a good day for minnesota and for boston and for l.a. and for america, i think, and a good day for our somali minnesota community which is a very very vibrant community here in our state. >> it's important to do especially when you're going to charge those abroad to do the same. senator franken, thank you very much for being with us on "new day." >> thank you, chris. moscow is rejecting calls by ukraine for u.n. peace keepers to help enforce a cease-fire that never gained any traction. leaders of ukraine, russia france and germany are pushing all sides to abide by the terms of the deal reached last week. it quickly dissolved. ukraine pulled most of its troops out of a key battleground city after weeks of violence. the justice department could sue ferguson missouri. they could pursue legal action against the police department for a pattern of racial discrimination. we're told the police department

can avoid the suit though if it agrees to review and revise its tactics. now attorney general eric holder says he expects the results of its investigation into the michael brown shooting to be complete before he leaves and that will be in the next few weeks. an arizona man struck it rich after buying a $6 watch from a thrift store. the watch turned out to be a rare 1959 -- what is his name? >> jege re lecoutre. >> they discontinued production because they were so hard to pronounce. he did what anyone would do with a watch like that he sold it online. he got a whopping $35,000 for this watch and some of the money i am told will go to his upcoming wedding. >> very nice. >> well spent. >> why people buy a watch you can't pronounce? >> worth the money. >> timex, easy to say. >> good point. defense in the american sniper trial wastes no time

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big day in the american sniper trial of the murders of chris kyle and chad littlefield. the defense is putting in the meat of its case. they are saying that eddie ray routh was clearly disturbed, insane and everybody knew it. they turned to his ex-girlfriend and sister to make the case. how did it work? sunni hostin and joey jackson, thanks for being with us. we begin with the girlfriend last name weed. she gets on there and she says life with routh was becoming progressively worse because he was diseased of mind and spirit. joey jackson, how did they punctuate the matter? >> in a very big way. who would know him better than of course his girlfriend. what does she describe? she describes in detail how he went into this grip of psychosis, and how?

initially he threatened his family to kill them. he threatened himself as a barbecue. what happened thereafter? he then holds her captive in his apartment with a sword saying you're not going anywhere. you know why, chris? i hear voices. they're coming to get me. he doesn't know the difference. >> you have eddie routh on trial, you've got the va on trial for not keeping him in when the family asked to you have how we treat mental illness and pts on trial because obviously he needed help. even chris kyle was trying to help him. the jury has to process all of this. sunni, then we get to the next tool they used to make this same point. the girlfriend's sister and her husband get on. i want to play the -- i'm sorry, this is eddie routh's sister comes on and they give a similar theory. remember the 911 call that the sister made. can we play that sound to remind what the jury is hearing? >> 911. >> yes, ma'am, my brother just

came by here. i was [ bleep ]. he's now left. he is owe told me that he's committed a murder. >> okay. hold on. >> and i'm -- i'm terrified for my life because i don't know if he's going to come back here. >> now this coming from the sister. the one pushback on the prosecution, sunni you make what this means for the defense. they'll say, yeah he just went and admitted the murder right after he did it showing he knows what he did is wrong because that's what stealing a soul means, that's what killing means and that proves that we have met our legal burden but what does it mean for the defense? >> i think it means a lot for the defense because time line is going to be important here. they have to show not only that he sort of suffered from mental illness and there is a history of mental illness, they have to show that he was sick and suffering from mental illness at the time of the killings and let's face it you've got his sister and his brother-in-law who knew him better than anyone else who knew him his entire life saying oh, my gosh he is under this psychosis. i don't recognize this person.

that is right after the killing. so to suggest -- the prosecution to suggest that wow, at the time of the killing he knew right from wrong but right after the killing he went into the psychosis, that doesn't make a lot of sense for the common person. again, i've said over and over again, legal insanity that's a legal construct. but these jurors are going to go into the jury room and they're going to put their common sense hats on they'll go this looks crazy to me. this looks insane to me. >> they also had eddie routh in the back of the car saying i feel like it's schizophrenic. there it is. the prosecution says a schizo schizophrenic says i feel schizophrenic. >> another big point quickly with that 911 call. the 911 operator asks him, is he under drugs or alcohol? she says well he was in the past but right now he just appears to be psychotic. she's not describing the alcohol and drugs doing that she's describing a mental state that does that. >> the prosecution -- the prosecution says you're no

expert and it was the drugs and alcohol, his influence. he admitted it. he was trying to get clean and that's why he was off that night, not because of any delusions. does it stick? >> you know, it's a great argument to make because we of course know that voluntary intoxication or drug use is not going to be excusable for what you do. >> but does marijuana and booze make you a murder remember very often? >> aha, that's the issue. >> it doesn't, and we know the country's changing feeling about marijuana, but i think what's going to be important is the expert testimony that talks about pts, talks about the fact that people that are suffering from mental illness oftentimes self-medicate in a way to try to get away from this. so ultimately i think we're going to be hearing today and tomorrow from experts and it's going to be a battle of the experts. these experts have to take the facts as we now know them from the sister from the brother-in-law from the ex-girlfriend and then tie it in with the medicine. that's going to be very important. >> and from his mental health history. they're speaking to that. how he was treated. the medications he was on.

how that affected his state of mind. >> sometimes as you two both know well to the jury it becomes a balance of head and heart, head and hard. >> sure. >> they're going to hear the evidence and say this guy killed chris kyle and chad littlefield. we love them. they represent everything good he represents everything bad. i don't want to give him a break. even if kyle was trying to help the guy, i'm not going to reward him. this plays into the stigma of mental health also. >> yes. >> they may think saying you were insane is rewarding you. >> that's shocking to me because i'm seeing that on twitter, i'm seeing it all over social media. chris kyle was an american hero. yes, he was. but does that mean that another ex-marine, you know another hero in a sense should not be treated for his mental illness? and in our country we think they get a pass if they get committed for the rest of their lives into a mental institution. >> too often seen as a weakness or a choice. >> how bad is that. he's still accountable for it. >> absolutely. i think the jury certainly wants

accountability but the wild card is what they really do and how they process it. what i mean by that is listen, that jury at the end of the day may want to hold him accountable notwithstanding. remember that there's a lot of distrust for mental illness. if you're sick, chris, i can see it. why? you're coughing you're hacking, you're sneezing. it's something tangible i can observe. but i can't look in your mind so therefore you know what? do we give him the benefit of the doubt? we can't see it. >> it's about the experts. it's about the experts. they have to teach. >> this is a reflection of society, what's going on with pts, the reluctance to treat it and respect it. that's on display here as well. no question yesterday goes to the defense. this is the meat of their case. how will the prosecution counter it? it will certainly get a chance. we'll bring the experts in to tell us how that goes. joey jackson, sunni hostin. >> i'm enjoying this. >> if you're happy, we're happy. president obama offering his

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time now forty-five things you need to know for your "new day." number one, president obama calling on muslim communities to do more to counter what he calls violent extremism. the president says the terrorists do not represent islam. kurdish forces in iraq continue to fight off the latest wave of attacks. they're targeting key defense points as they try to expand their footprint. leaders of ukraine, russia france and germany agreeing to make another push to keep the cease-fire. troops abandoned a key town after clashes with pro russian rebels. the justice department could be preparing to sue ferguson missouri for a pattern of perceived racial discrimination if the department does not implement changes itself. a huge swath of the u.s. dealing with bone chilling temperatures through tomorrow. the arctic air affects about 25 states even florida. schools in chicago, cleveland, and cincinnati are closed today.

we're always updating the five things you need to know so go to "new day" cnn.com for the very latest. all right. so we all know that eating better and exercise can make you healthier, but it can be difficult. we have a couple of new studies out which may raise your eyebrows a little bit maybe too much of a good thing is the issue here. let's bring in cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. he explains it all on "new day" new you. essentially what the studies say you're better off sitting on your couch eating bran flakes. >> that's what you took away from the studies, huh? they are interesting studies. we have to pay attention to them. they followed over 1 million women for nine years. i'll give you the headline in a second. what they were trying to do, john i'll prep this by saying what is the sweet spot in terms of exercise? what's going to give you the most benefit in terms of reducing your risk of heart

disease. as you say, more is not necessarily always better. so again, 1 million women over nine years. let's take a look at the numbers here. look specifically at women who rarely or never exercise and their risk of heart disease, 5.2%. if you exercise two or three times a week it goes down significantly there. 3.5%. this is what you were paying attention to a lot of people are, john, daily. if you started exercising daily, 4.3% risk of heart disease. still better than if you never exercise at all but not quite as good if you exercise 2 to 3 times a week. they don't know how to explain the last number completely. it could be people who exercise a lot more maybe ultimately eating more they may have other risk factors for some reason but the sweet spot appeared to be in that two to three times of strenuous exercise daily. >> it is important to remember. some exercise i think is crucial there. the study does reinforce that. sanjay what about diet? what about eating the right things? >> this was a very interesting study as well. we talk a lot about diet.

admittedly a lot of the diets recommended are pretty complicated to follow. that's been always one of the big criticisms. in this next study they took 240 people split them into two groups. one group just got an increased fiber diet. 30 grams more of fiber every day. the other group was on the american heart association diet restricting calories restricting saturated fat. what they found at the end of the year was the people who were in the first group, just added more fiber, they lost around 4.6 pounds. people in the other group lost around 5.9 pounds. the other group did lose a little bit more weight but just a modest amount more. the point, again, similar to the exercise study, is that you seem to get the greatest benefit at the beginning of something. just making one change here with regard to diet adding fiber, seemed to make a big difference. >> so sanjay when you talk about fiber diets, to a lot of people it doesn't sound like fun. >> some people love fiber, john. i don't know what you're -- oatmeal, brown rice.

that's what they typically think of. a lot of fruits have -- raspberries have a lot of fiber, pears. doing the same things that you've been told to do, eating a lot more vegetables but really focusing on the fiber. if you can increase it by 30 grams makes a pretty big difference. >> i'm not anti-fiber just want to stipulate that. >> sounded like you were. >> too much fiber, you know i'm saying. >> especially when you're a morning anchor yes, i get it. >> why, sanjay when it comes to exercise and when it comes to fiber, why does too much back that up? >> when it comes to the exercise thing, it's a good question. part of it may be people who strenuously exercise a lot could be at risk of increased heart problems people who are doing it not just for cardiovascular benefit but for some sort of other endurance athlete type sports. with regard to diet, i think it's a simple thing. you put a more complicated diet together and people just don't follow it. so if i just say all you need to do is add 30 grams of fiber to

your diet that's all i want you to do for the next year you're going to make a significant improvement just by doing that one thing. >> important lessons. i'm sorry i have the bran lobby after me. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. >> you of've got it. >> tweet us or go to facebook. >> did you just say why does sometimes the information about diet back fire after you were discussing fiber? >> we say a lot on television. sometimes -- sometimes the words -- >> wasn't intentional? >> you like to revise. >> he let it go. >> sanjay just went there, man. >> he just let it go. >> all right. >> the fiber diet is the whole point. >> all right. back fire. very strong. >> it just keeps going. president obama offering his assessment for fighting extremism, but his comments at a white house summit aren't pleasing everyone. we'll be telling you why. r-pedic made me fall in love with mornings again. i love how it conforms to my body. with tempur-pedic the whole bed is comfortable. it's the best thing we ever did for ourselves. it's helping to keep us young. (vo) visit your local retailer and

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we all know there is no one profile of a violent extremist or terrorist. there's no way to predict who will become radicalized. it's not unique to one group or to one geography or one period of time. >> we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> that was president obama at the white house summit on countering extremism. did he accomplish anything to help turn the tide against

radicalization? let's ask dean obidala who was at the summit. he is a columnist for the daily beast. he's host of the dean obidala show on sirius xm radio. we're joined by christian boudreau. her son became radicalized. he died in syria. she has an outreach program for friends of people whose family becomes radicalized. >> you were at the summit. you heard what president obama said. this is a critical time. is the president doing enough at this time? >> i think they're doing exactly what they can. they had representatives of federal sponsored programs with law enforcement and muslim american leaders in minneapolis, los angeles and boston. they're working together to counter radicalization. they don't want to allow any muslims to listen to the lure and sales pitch of the al qaedas and isis out there. i learned a great deal personally. >> certainly a great

conversation to have no matter where you fall on some of the debate points in this. christian, your son gave his life for isis. he radicalized. the president says he doesn't want to refer to this as a religious war, a war against islam. let's listen to some of what he said and then discuss it. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders, wholly war-- holy warriors. we must never accept the premise they put forward because it is a lie, nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy they seek. they are not religious leaders, they are terrorists. >> what was your reaction to the comments that you heard him say? >> i actually tend to agree with

him. this is not a religious war or anything along those lines, they're just taking it to use it as their vehicle to strengthen what they say and to try to get into those minds and hearts of our youth and to reach out to them. that's not the case. it's an ideology that right across the board it's similar to gangs, cults, and everything else. that's the way we really need to look at it. >> dean i know you share some of the beliefs on that. you've written about this. >> yes. >> you think there may be over focus when it comes to -- on associates or islamists, i guess we can say it if you're not going to say islamic extremists? >> i agree. christianne, i'm very sorry about the passing of your son. pasht of this and the work that she's doing in canada is exactly that. it's not about islam. i don't know why people are obsessed they have to call it islam. it's terrorists who want to use islam to gain power. using islam helps frame the whole dispute in the way isis

and al qaeda are begging us to do that. >> but so do you see -- i mean a lot of people will look at this and they're very fear fuelful of isis. there are other groups that want vast independent in spain. there's no sort of cohesion. you think all of these groups are all the same? >> it's not about being the same. this is supposed to be countering violent extremism summit. it wasn't supposed to be about muslims. it ended up being 90% of muslims. white supremacist groups have killed more in the past five years than isis has. a backlash is being caused in the muslim community. isis and al qaeda want us to call this an islamic movement. they want a backlash against the canadian muslims, american

muslims. it makes them ripe for picking. there's two levels. it's not what's accurate and what will save american lives. >> let's talk about recruitment, christianne. you are in this unenviable position of having lost your son to being recruited and going to fight for isis. you have said there is this stigma around discussing radicalization really the threat here or the vulnerabilities. let's listen to some of what president obama said, aside from just using islam, he also talked about some of the other tools that for instance isis is using. >> the high quality videos the online magazines, the use of social media, terrorist twitter accounts. all designed to target today's young people online in cyber space. and, by the way, the older people here, as wise and

respected as you may be your stuff is often boring. >> your son, christianne was won over. tell us about your son and also your message to parents of other young people who may be vulnerable. >> well with damien i think initially he had met somebody who was looking for that vulnerability within him and so they found that he had passion to want to help. he wanted to make a difference. and the reasons he went over, he told me were to help women and children. they were suffering at the hands of bashar al assad. it wasn't a religious ideology in his mind it wasn't just the purpose for him. once that information was given to him, they led him to areas online to seek out reinforcement to everything they were telling him. unfortunately at the time, there is knock to counter that. there are no other ideas in a healthy way of how to help

people to counter the ideologies that were planted. that's basically what's happening. we've got a whole medium out there now that reaches out to our children in their smart phones in their ipads through whatever medium there is that we as parents don't have control over. the world is changing quickly. we can't be there 24/7. things happen out in the environment. they have other environmental forces and factors that play a huge part in their lives, not just the parent. the parent is such a small piece. and we really need to get past that stigma and that fear to engage them, a, into talking about it educating them much further in advance. we do it with sex education, with drugs and everything else why aren't we doing it with this? this is a problem that they face. and we need to arm them with those tools so they have the proper education going into it so they're resilient to these types of things. >> it's so -- >> and that's our responsibility as a parent.

>> so well said. it's so important. local communities are really the battlefield as much as iraq and syria are the battlefield. christianne boudreau thank you very much. when we come back, morgan spurlock is going to take us inside another episode of "inside man." he's looking at the bitcoin. micaela and alisyn found this so fascinating they come back to do this in this segment. you will see them after this break. you get sick you can't breathe through your nose suddenly, you're a mouth breather. a mouth breather! well, put on a breathe right strip and shut your mouth. cold medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip and pow, it opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do sleep.

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>> there it is. we may have to change the song right? >> it's not a dollar. >> yeah. i'll get to that. welcome back to "new day." you probably heard of bitcoin, a new virtual currency but do you really know what it is and how it works? morgan spurlock wanted to find out so he goes into the bitcoin world in tonight's "inside man." take a look. >> this place is no different from any other auction house, but instead of bidding on art, i'm bidding on bitcoin. >> what do i have to do to buy some bitcoins. >> how much do you want to buy? >> one. >> market 6.27. buyers are paying that 634. you can say 6.30 right now and you become the best in the market. >> okay. great. let's go for 6.30 right now. >> give me a minute i'll squawk it out. >> 6.27 bid, 6.30.

>> 33. >> 6.27 bid. 6.33. >> 41 41. 31. >> 6.28. >> one coin. >> 6.28 6.30 ask. >> i have no idea. >> 6.29 bid. 6.30. >> sold. sold. >> 6.33. >> so i'm buying 6.30 from you? >> okay. now explain it to me. >> 630 of what? >> explain it to us. joining us now is the host of "inside man" morgan spurlock. i thought i was watching an episode of "guys and dolls." >> what was that? >> there is a bitcoin center downtown just off of wall street where you can go buy and sell bitcoin. they have auctions. they have a running tab all day long a tally of kind of what the market is for bitcoin, what people are buying and selling it at. there are people there who actively go and buy and sell bitcoins. that's where i started my journey. >> flag on the play.

slow your roll. we have to describe and define bitcoin. i think a lot of people are struggling to understand. it's a digital currency. >> yes. >> it's not based off of gold as our dollar is. >> right. >> so ques qese. >> it's not influenced by volatility in the marketplace. >> when i first bought it it was $634. now it's down to $200. >> it's not good. it's already dropped 66%. people will say, no that's not what's happening. it's an influence of the economy. it is still a bouncy currency. it's one of those things that i can send anywhere in the world. i can send to you whether you're in south africa you're in south america. there won't be any bank fees. there won't be anybody taking any money out of my or your pocket. there are up sides to it that are positive. >> you lost me at digital

currency which is the first thing you said. is this in use right now? >> it's in use right now. >> who takes it? >> all kinds of different people. one of the things i wanted to do essentially was see could i live on bitcoin or nothing else? there are grocery stores that take it, shops that take it tons of websites that take it. you can travel and buy plane tickets. for me it was interesting to see how many places in new york city are accepting this. >> it was sort of in the shadows a little bit and it was kind of -- >> dodgy. >> dodgy, sketchy there. now it's becoming more legit. is it being widely accepted or is it a few bodegas that are accepted? >> there's an actual app that will show you everywhere in new york city or every city in america that uses bitcoin where you can go which is pretty amazing. in the beginning it was a nefarious currency. >> black web. >> it was associated with the deep web. >> the dark web. >> the dark web.

what's happening now is it's becoming much more mainstream. it is a currency that more and more people are relying on. they say, listen i don't want to have the government telling me what my money is worth. can i help dictate that. >> the old under the mattress thing isn't so smart. >> that's right. the other thing is there's no way to tie this money to anyone. you have a bitcoin wallet in your phone. there's no traceable currency. >> which makes it a regulatory issue, doesn't it? >> that's exactly right. i will send currency and no one will know who sent it. it's completely invisible that transaction. >> that is so fascinating. >> i can tell you how to do that. morgan thanks so much for stopping by. you can be sure to tune in to "inside man" tonight at 9:00 eastern on cnn to learn more. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.

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with carol costello. we know you liked it. >> she hates it. >> i think i'm not going there. >> have a great day! >> "newsroom" starts now. we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> president obama says terrorists do not represent islam. in just 90 minutes the president speaks again at an anti-extremism summit. will he double down? let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. i'm car