ult circumstances and at a very difficult time, who are continuing to do the best they can. and i wish them well. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is cnn tonight and terror threat in new york city. three men nabbed to join isis and why top cop says it is three. and why violent extremists are warned in nin all 50 states. that and bill o'reilly is under fire. and lee daniels, and why he is calling the whitest oscars in years. >> it sis easy for me to call the race card for me and everybody else. i don't call the race card. it is what it is. >> and what he says about being black in hollywood. >> i'm still pulled over in beverly hills.

i'm still pulled over. >> and his inspiration for one of the hottest shows on television. >> that purse and that leopard and those hoops -- >> and is that you or sirachi? >> it issis me. come on. >> now, with more on these three men trying to join isis, we have more with can deborah feyerick? >> if they were unable to get to syria, the plan was to carry out the attacks here in the united states. the 19-year-old wanted to go to syria, but his mother confiscated his passport so he decided to take out attacks on the military and then he would join and funnel information to isis and if he was caught he

had a plan to open up fire on the u.s. troops. another plan to to get money and purchase a gun and open fire on the police officers and fbi agents. the 24-year-old, and the older of the two in court today, his goal was to effectively get to syria and if that failed he would get isis to sanction the attempt on the president's life, and the third man was at a hearing in florida, and he is the money man who owns kiosk hs in malls of america where he sells kitchenware and he was providing the tickets that if they succeeded to get to turkey somebody would take them to syria, don. >> we we have not seen the men, deborah, and can you describe them? >> one was from uzbekistan and one from syria, and one of them

was wearing a green hoodie and not more than 5'4" and red patent leather high top, and another man who was small, and he had rolled up the pant and he was wearing a hoodie. they said they understood the charges against them, and they knew what ta thaey were facing. and the hearing was delayed for a short time because one asked for a translator from uzbekistan. >> and what more can we expect? >> well, the fbi director said that there are people like this in all 50 state, and whether we will see a handful of people directly related to the three individuals hashgs individuals, that is to be determined. the 24-year-old said that this is the plan to go to allegedly

to syria and if not kill the president, and then a confidential informant was brought in and to be able to develop information, because the 19-year-old was on the jetway and the plane scheduled to take off this morning to go to turkey and the other one had moved up the travel plan and authority authorities believed that he was a able to leave this weekend and so it was go-time. >> and deborah feyerick and joining me is adam pearlman who are represents one of the three men arrested today. you said something outside of the courtroom today, and you said that this case makes us question the federal government's approach if these al xwagss are true that they make us question the approach that the government approaches young muslim men here. >> sure and let me back up don, and say that the obviously, they are presumed innocent at this point. and the allegations that have been made against them are

allegations, and i want to be really clear about that, and the point is that if they have some trutht about them or in similar circumstances as fbi director comey said today if there are people around the country who are flirting with the extremism, it seems that the government's approach to these individuals is to label them as criminals, and to take all of the resources of the united states' law enforcement apparatus, and to throw it at them to build criminal prosecutions at them and as opposed to becoming radical radicalized as to what is becoming radicalized. >> and so that is not going to excuse if the they are indeed guilty of what they are accused of doing? >> well, i have a lot of questions of the they are really

guilty of what they are doing. >> and what are the questions? >> well, the confidential informant, and the use of the confidential informant. we have a complaint of small snippets of information, and in one of them my client speculating of getting travel documents to leave the country. >> the complaint says that he wants to travel to syria to wage jihad and his mom feared that he would do so, so she took the passport so he could not do so and then he watched aisle videos and he claimed he wanted to join the u.s. military to pass information to the aisle to help their attack, anded a disally he could open up fire on american soldiers soldiers and kill as many as possible. >> this is all information delivered to the fbi from a confidential informant that the

government says that they can't rely on the credibility of. and we only have the small snippets of what my client allegedly said, and we don't know the background or the context or how this kon pi p denconfidential infor r infor mant was manipulated. we know in the newberg case that the fbi informant manipulated people who were not interested in radicalization. >> on january 11th, your client said that he had a plan if he did not get the proper travel documents to go to syria, he said, i will go buy a machine gun, a ak-47 and go out to shoot all of the police. he went on the say, it is legal in america to carry a gun, and we will go to purchase one handgun and go to then shoot one

police officer. boom. then we will take his gun, bullet s a bullets and bulletproof vest, and then kill others. then we will go to the fbi headquarters, and kill them there. >> and we don't know what was there, and this is a paid fbi informant. >> and your client was arrested today at jfk today trying to travel to turkey. have you had a chance to talk to the client? >> yes. >> can you tell us what he says? >> no, i can not comment on that. >> and what is going on? >> he has not entered a plea, but all that has happened is that he is presented on the complaint and no need for him to enter any plea or make any statement to that effect at the this point. >> and he apparently according to the complaint, he is prepared to die. >> that is what is the complaint says. >> and again, you have an in/*ssue with the confidential informant.

>> yes. >> you want it to be more transparent? >> yes. >> and thank you for coming on and please come back. adam pearl mutter one of the attorneys for the accused. and what will it take to stop the homegrown radicals. and lee daniels on what it is to be black in hollywood. would you be willing to give up sharing your moments? sacrifice streaming all night long? is it okay to drop a connection, when you need it most?

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a stark warning from the director of the fbi who says that the fbi is investigating homegrown radicals in the united states. according to the fbi, the three arrested today were young and had ambitious plans to kill the president, and hijack a plane to syria, and take out other target targets. and now, let's go to our panelist ahmed, how is isis able to the attract such young men? >>le with, we have seen a trend and in recent months that they are able to attract people younger, and younger. this is speaking about not about religion or ideology.

it is about religion and how it is used, but it is about driving factors about how it is used to compel someone to be radicalized which is being alienated and a perceived anger and justice and moral outrage, and using the internet in the recent months and a lot of konconversation behind the sophistication if you will with isis and other terrorist groups to be effective in that regard. >> and talk about some of the suspects real quick, and at least one of the suspects which is real word ss. and this says, greetings, we wanted to pledge of allegiance and commit ourselves while not present there, and writing to join the organization. we are in usa and no arms but we want to commit ourselves to be be dedicated martyrs, and

anyway while here? what i'm saying is to shoot obama and then get shot ourselves, will it do? what do you make of this? >> well, they appeal in multiple languages, and religion has something to do with it, but at the end of the day, there are factors that have to lead people lone wolves and others and some of the people who are led to this are converts and know nothing about the fate. >> and they don't know much about the faith. >> and it advocates little. and infidels is more optics than specificity. >> and julia, why do you say that the suspects had motivation but little capability? >> well you could tell from the complaint, and as the lawyer in the previous segment said that there will be questions about the paid informant and how much they were lured out, but from the complaint, ta were clearly motivated to do something in

their head they thought, yes, we want to do this, but in terms of actions, it looks like the conspiracy is only the best evidence of the conspiracy is the communications themselves and no evidence of major purchases of the weapons. one of them is on a flight, but that is all we have so far. look intent is bad, but intent and capability is what makes these guys dangerous. the arrest at this stage or the indictments at this stage have to be viewed in thecontext of the fbi and the justice department coming on strong not because of these three guys, but the say to all of the other teenager, and the other people online and the people thinking that they are going to be joining something cool or hip or violent, that we will be taking it seriously and -- >> so they are sending a message and using them adds an example? >> absolutely. >> and juliette, in 2014 in referring to isis the president

told "the new yorker" this analogy that we use around here, is if the j.v. team puts on the laker uniforms, that does not make them kobe bryant, and today, the director of the fbi said that there are terare terrorists if in all 50 states. so how do you go from the j.v. to all 50 states? >> well, there are people who are making claims that they have ties to the isis and it does not mean varsity yet, fwhuf people in each-- there rare enough people in the each state that it is not a crisis but a phenomenon that the fbi has to take seriously. the entrance into eye is sis is very, very low, and it is not like al qaeda to have known bin laden and have fought in

afghanistan. the entrance into isis hey, i'm online can i join? that is what is incredibly challenging from the law enforcement point of view. >> and i want to echo that if you look at the pa teerls, it is never ever about islam or the cause, but it is about quick and flippant glory and the machismo and asserting masculinity and other things. >> thank you. and now, up next john rich and our panel will take on bill o'reilly and his taking on reporting in a war zone. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.our panel will take on bill o'reilly and his taking on reporting in a war zone. and our panel will take on bill o'reilly and his taking on reporting in a war zone. inocchio was a bad motivational speaker?

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new york city's police commissioner did not mince words when he said bluntly this is real when he expressed concern about lone wolves. i'm joined by frank rich editor at large. today, we had the arrest of three terror arrests, and the

threats at the malls over the weekend, and what is going on? >> well, americans are claiming and legitimately do feel that isis is a real menace, and we have seen the horrible atrocities, and yet we have a washington that is sitting around have a debating society, and we have a major political party with a radical group within it that may stop the funding of the department of homeland security at this moment, and a party by the way, the republican party that is a hawkish party who talks a big game about wanting to go with the boots on the ground, and go get after isis, and the rest of it, but yet, they are not funding the agentcy to protect presumably the mall of america for starters. >> i have been wanting to talk to you about this story since it first broke, bill o'reilly making several references to being in the combat situation when covering the faulkland war when he covered it from buenos aires, and last night he

continued to e de -- defend his work. >> i kontcontinue to accurately defend this. >> outside of the palace many were chanting "traitor traitor, traitor" and this is the beginning of the end of the dictatorship. >> and what do you think of this this? >> if i were in a protest of this, and i think that bill o'reilly is such a strong warrior, that he should maybe lead the war against isis, and he can do that by reporting from there right now, and it is fascinating to me that he is so defensive about it. he is digging himself in deeper but on the other hand are there is a marketing strategy, too, because his audience likes to see him take on the so-called liberal media. so it is his element. >> and even jon stewart opened

up his show talking about it. >> i don't know if you watch his program. caution, you are about to enter the no-spin zone. misrepresenting, misrepresenting the zone he's in is kind of the hook, because it seems to me, we might all just be a little bit better off if the exact iter rations of covering the war were more than the exaggerations that get us into so many of them. >> is he right? >> well, the fact that in the cases of both bill ori'reilly and brian williams, neither of them covered the iraq war when it was ginning up and questioned the intelligence when it was there, and jon stewart is right, but the whole idea here with bill

o'reilly is a farce. >> you don't believe it is going to hurt him? >> no, it is a viewership of 3 million who come to him who says that the media stinks, and they are about to get him, and they are a bunch of pointed headed idiots. as we are. >> and yeah, and many people say it is not, you know, he is a commentator and a host and not a anchor. anchor. >> right. and it is an opinion show, and it is like a columnist. >> what do you think of rudy giuliani and he loves the country not like you and i. >> well he loved the country so much more than we do that he would have nominated bernie

keric to run the country. and so, he is a criminal. and he is donald trump without the hair. if he had a version of "the apprentice" he would be a much happier guy. >> i want to talk about the article "the six most admired man in america." and you named dr. ben carson and who do you see about that? >> well, if there is a conservative african-american who says that i want to be president, they will fast-track him to get him this guy ben carson is a accomplished neurosurgeon neurosurgeon. >> you don't believe he is qualify ied? >> well, he is qualified to be b

be a doctor, and what he and herman cain and allan keyes has is that they have never held any public office before and you would have thought that they could have been dog catcher or something before the top tier of the presidential candidates of a major political party. >> thank you, frank rich. and coming up the man behind the smash hit "empirei'm"i'm"empire" and wait until you hear what lee daniels has to say about what it is like to be black in hollywood. learn new razor tricks. hire a pro waxer. post before and after pics. i can do all that with my android from tracfone. 90-day plans start as low as $20. unbeatable nationwide coverage. no contract. for a limited time save $20 on any tracfone android smartphone. tracfone. do everything for less. flo: hey, big guy. i heard you lost a close one today. look, jamie, maybe we weren't the lowest rate this time.

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the hot oscar topic was the stunning lack of diversity. not a single african-american actress was nominated. to tauklk about the this joining many is lee daniels. and now, on the red carpet they

said it was the whitest oscars since 1998. the host neil patrick harris even joked about it. >> tonight, we welcome the best and the whitest, i mean brightest. >> yeah you missed that. what do you think? >> well, i felt like, why were we all presenting i mean all there to present, and to be to serve you if we can't eat the food and that is what i thought. i felt like we were all sprinkled in there to serve up some something. >> it is a bit much this is. >> it is like trying to make a point. trying to make a point. but here is the thing. the work has to be be good. i take it back oto the work. and it is easy to call the race card for me and everybody else. i don't call the race card. it is what it is. it is part of the -- i didn't

complain when we didn't get anything for "butler." >> and "selma" nominated for best picture of the year, and oprah when i spoke to her on the red carpet was not believing it is snubbed. >> i don't believe it is snubbed. we are here on the carpet and we are nominate mord the best picture. best picture. hello. >> she is like don, i am tired of answering this for you and everybody else. what do you think? >> i love her. i love her so much. she is absolutely. she is so right in that and you know it is like people act like this is what it is. if you are chasing an award, you are not -- i am not chasing an award, and i'm not going to chase an award. i think that the minute i start to do something for an award, it is over.

it is over. i think that, you know, it is what it is. i'm not going to -- i don't want to go into it. >> let's listen to john legend and what he said talking about "selma" and the song "glory." >> we wrote this song for a film that happened 50 years ago, but it is for right now, because we know that it happens right now, and the voting rights act that they fought for 50 years ago is being compromised right now today. and we know right now the struggle for freedom and justice is right now. we live in the most incarcerated country in the world. there are more black men under correctional control today than under slavery in 1850. >> the washington post said that there is a disturbing truth to what legend said, and it is not necessarily a equal comparison but stirring truth. and what do you say?

>> yes, god, i agree with that and it is a damn shame? >> why so? >> when half of my relatives and i mean, half of my relatives, and i mean half of them are in jail, and some of them unjustly so. when my son calls me up from a seven-11 and went to the all white high school and said, what is going on and why are they watching me and i have to have that conversation with him, and it is more disturb than the sex conversation, and i have to tell him why. >> what do you say to him? >> that is painful, it is painful, it is very painful. i blocked it out. you are different. welcome to being a black man. and it is the ugliest conversation that i have ever had, and -- don, it is the ugliest conversation that i have ever had. >> and i say whauchb you say, welcome to being a black man and it does not mean that you should carry and hold yourself in a

certain way, but it is all part of it but it is part of the truth. >> and he does not know not to, but he has grown up in a way that he does not know how, because he has two dads one white and one white. he don't know, and he really don't know, and he is taken aback when he is singled out, and confused out, and that is disturbing to me. >> and this is even going to go home to you, and closer to your heart, because your fa h ther was a police officer, and killed in the line of duty, and so you do see the both sides of it the dangers of the police officer, and the danger of excessive force as a police officer when it comes to eric garner as it come to events in the fuse? >> yes, we grew up loving the police, because my dad was a cop. and we grew up with the cop, a ndnd they were helpful, and even in the midst of movement in

philadelphia and it was crazey. but there was a, they were still helpful, and i have mixed feelings about the police. >> do you think that things have changed since the time that your dad was a police officer, and since the time of the move? >> no. >> why not? >> no man. i'm still pulled over. in beverly hills, i am still pulled over. i remember being pulled over for my first awards show, and we were nominated for two oscars for the "monster's ball," and i almost did not make the oscars because i was pulled over. i was in a tux, and i said check the glove box. >> but you won with halle berry. >> yes. >> and she was the first. >> yes. >> and in that when you think about what was happening, and what is the black community, and

you say the black community, and was that the biggest issue facing the black community, police brutality or racial profiling? >> yes. >> you do? >> you do. even more than people killing themselves crime? >> i do. i do. i think that it starts with feeling inferior, and starts with feeling nothing. and it starts with how you are treated by the world, a nd thand that comes with how it affects you and nothing to lose and that affects you in every way, yes. >> and standby, and we will talk about more, because you are so honest. >> that is a debbie downer. >> well, it is important for people to hear that of your influence and stature, it is so important to hear, but keep speaking the truth, but don't go

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look at cookie in the fur, and if you are not watching "empire" yet you should be. the hip-hop family drawma ist getting the buzz and i'm back with the creator lee daniels. they say it is about hip-hop but it is about any american family ta makes it right? >> e yes. sxwh and it is grown, and it is the only prime time broadcast series to grow in each of the telecast in 23 years in fox, and did you know it would be that big? this big? >> i asked my mom that and i asked my ma that, and i said what do you think of this? and he said you know you did that movie, the "monster's ball" and you got that girl an academy award, and you know in hindsight, and unafraid. >> and a yes. >> unafraid. >> i call it truly e mansmancipated

when you can do that, but it is good if your mother can ther believes that you can do anything yes. >> and that fur and the hoops and the the leopard, come on. >> is that you or -- >> that is me. are you kidding me? i want that on me. >> all right. i said that i was jealous of terrence, because he gets to play the cookie's husband and he get gets to play lucius, and cookie is taraji p. henson. >> don't you baby me you two-faced bastard. i have been living like a dog for 17 years, a ndnd now, i want what is mine. i want jale mall. >> and you would sink this whole em empire over that? >> give me jamal.

>> you got him. >> i love it! >> cookie was in your mind? >> i write well with women and for women, and it is a damn shame that i'm gay, because i love women, and they are so fascinating and i grew up with strong and fun black women and my grandmothers and mother and neighbors, and they were all cook i can, and she lives in me. >> and the women get to have so much fun with the clothing and she gets to change her personality and the character depending how she feels with it. >> and i love the gun and the do rag and the pumps, and the gold silk nightgown pants and the

gun. >> and the gun? >> oh, yes, she is everything. >> i love when she goes to the din canner dinner and she says do you think that i came over here half naked. >> and mama don't play. >> and she called terrence and she said, i will do itt if you get terrence howard. >> and she was auditioning for the role and we were skyping, and i am in conversation with wesley snipes and i said, well i am talking about wesley, and keep in mind that terrence and i are friends, and we did "the butler" and talking about marvin gay and movies and he is a real good friend, and she said, no, i think it is should be terrence. and i said you don't have the job job. who do you think you are. and i said, that is cookie. >> and i said i think it is

"dynasty" but you said you based it over the kennedys because which son would take it over? >> yes. and my partner danny strong and i came to me when i did "the butler" and we both loved "blind in the winter" and that is a common denominator, and we with were looking to do a hip-hop story, and i wanted to do the "dynasty" because it lives in me. that camp. >> and joan collins. >> and you tackle the social issues and you have one of the scenes that is a gay character where there is a flashback and look at this. ♪ i walked 5,000 miles and

didn't come close ♪ ♪ and it feels like i made you smile ♪ ♪ but you didn't even care ♪ ♪ no oh no ♪ ♪ >> please don't dad! >> lucius! ♪ i tried to show you ♪ >> you are out of your damn mind. >> that scene hit home for a lot of men of color, and did you plan to put that scene in there? >> well i had no intention, and i told my partner, and that is why we are a great scene, and i told him this in passing, and i said, no-no, and then when it came time to shoot it, and he ain't shooting, but i am shooting, because it is my life,

and i bring my sister along as a good luck charm and she was an extra in the particular scene in the house, and when it came to the kid pauk walk -- kid walking toward terrence with his hands on the hips and walking toward terrence my sister knew. it was too painful. >> but itsis pushing the envelope and you are forcing people to deal with things in this society, and i commend you for that. and you have also been candid about the star of "precious" star who says she was blackballed from hollywood. >> and no, that is not what i

said but we were on the campaign and she was making unreasonable demands, and, you know and she was not thinking and this is when the reverse racism happens, and i said that you have to thank the producers of the studio, and i said, listen, people are not going to be responding well if you don't say thank you, and i have responded well shgs, and i think that she is brilliant, and she is brilliant. and sometimes the artists get in their own way and i do, and i think that -- >> you think that she blackballed her way. >> i think that i think that there were demands that were made from her on the "precious" campaign that everybody knows that about that hurt her. i told her that. and i kay serra -- kay serque sera

sera. and so i don't call the race card, because if i u call it i am buying into it. >> then some people call it a sell out. >> well that is what it is but i won't not work, and i'm not going to be not calling people out on the bull. so whatever it is, sellout. okay. whatever that is. i will see you in the theaters. >> wow! where does that come from? that sort of the -- i guess it is what you are being completely emanciated and you live your own truth.

>> and my father said to me, why do you want to be, and it is hard enough to be a black man, and why do you want to -- and what are you doing? and it has taken me a long time to embrace that and if he were a alive today he would embrace me for who i am and it is hard to keep it real and to be honest. >> and can we talk about something else -- >> oh no, what? >> can we talk about cosby. >> don! >> what do you think -- >> i can hear your publicist. >> what do you think first? >> has the black community turn ed a blind eye? >> well what do you think first. i want to flip it. >> well, it is difficult to discuss him, but when so many women have forward making the same allegations, where there is smoke there is usually fire. >> i think that he is one of the reasons that i am here today.

>> absolutely. >> and it is very, very hard and what bothers me the most is that if if there sis a iota of truth here is the one person the one person who means to much to me in this television as i bounce into the television milieu the one person who means the most to us is pulled down it means that we are human. if if he is guilty, it means that we are human which is what i like to examine it with every character that i breathe life to. we are not black or white, but it is gray. we are all comeplicated, and we are all complicated and we all like to point the fingers, and drag people through the mud when stuff ain't right. it is fascinated, but it is not going to change.

i pray for him. i pray for him. >> you are telling me that you feel sadness. >> i am sad and wrecked by it. aam gutted by it. and the victims, you know and the victims you know. >> that is a fair response. very fair. honest response. >> you got -- i am putting my fingers in my mouth right now, because you got me. >> and you were fantastic, and you are candor, and i love when people come on to be honest. and best of luck and thank you and i can't wait to be on the show either. >> okay. i got you. >> all right. we will be right back. all right. that was awesome. you were great.

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