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can be when it comes to national security. we're going to track what's going on with the efforts in washington to stop the department of homeland security from going unfunded down to the minute. and we have the latest on the efforts among republicans and democrats to avoid that fate. >> that's exactly right. 18 hours and counting let's check in with jim acosta at the white house for us to tell us if these spending bills are going to happen. if they're going to get a clean bill or what the latest is. jim? >> washington is peering over the homeland security cliff as you have up on screen 18 hours until the department runs out of money. there are a couple of different plans on capitol hill. mitch mcconnell has a plan to fund the department through september. the more likely scenario is over in the house, house speaker john boehner has a plan to fund the department for three weeks, a three-week continuing resolution
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or short-term spending bill and that is why over here at the white house they're sort of bystanders to all of this and the white house press secretary josh earnest is waiting for republicans to get this done. >> republicans made an aggressive case over the course of last year about why the american people should entrust united states congress to republican leadership and here we are, seven or eight weeks into their tenure and they're -- on the precipice of fall down on the job. particularly when that's notable when we're talking about something as important as funding the department of homeland security. >> you know who's not a fan of a three-week spending bill for the department of homeland security that would be the secretary of dhs, jeh johnson. he said a short-term continuing resolution exacerbates the uncertainty for my workforce and puts us back in the same position on the brink of a shutdown just days from now. as he's saying in that letter they would have to come back and
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do this all over again in march. which is just next week. to try to work out another spending bill to keep the department open. if it shuts down as we've been saying all week long thousands of workers would go on furlough and perhaps hundreds of thousands would have to work without pay that includes border protection tsa, people here at the white house who protect the president and the u.s. secret service. it would be a laughing matter here in washington if it wasn't so serious. >> absolutely. that's the whole point. that's why we're all over because it's clear they're making it into one of these, i'm holding up a football. that's the problem. >> here we go again. >> what do we see -- thank you very much for the reporting. the recent radicalization cases here and in canada what just happened it comes as the fbi's top counterterrorism official says we're losing the bat toll stop the propaganda machine. we have cnn justice correspondent pamela brown joining us from washington with more. >> law enforcement officials i've been speaking with says
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we're going to keep seeing isis-related cases in the u.s. until we shut down the isis prop propaganda machine fueling this rapid recruitment especially of america's youth. that was the main topic among top counterterrorism officials yesterday. miningle steinbach with the fbi and intelligence chief james clapper yesterday and it's clear we have a problem with the propaganda, but the solution is not so clear. as one official said you can't just shut down the internet. during clapper's testimony he talked about the number of americans going to fight with isis and coming back. and he said the number has grown to 180 americans who have tried to join the fight and some have already returned to u.s. soil. he painted a dire picture of the current global threat. here's what he said. >> the final accounting is done 2014 will have been the most lethal year for terrorism in the 45 years that such data has been
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compiled. >> so even though we may be having trouble shutting down isis propaganda clapper did talk about isis overseas and it's reign as caliphate. and isis said it's running into a lot of problems running its own government in part due to coalition air strikes according to clapper. back to you. >> a complicated situation. he also said he has active cases involving radicalization of isis in all 50 states right now. so coming up in the next hour pamela brown will have an interview with outgoing attorney general eric holder. canadian authorities investigating the whereabouts of six missing teenagers. investigators believe they recently travelled to turkey with the ultimate goal of joining isis. cnn's paula newton joins us more from ottawa. what do we know paula? >> well alisyn we know that these families alerted authorities, the investigation was open but the trail has gone cold somewhere in turkey. authorities have no way of knowing if these essentially
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teenagers made it to syria. but obviously one of the colleges that they went to a community college that at least four of them attended they have since suspended rights of a muslim teacher to teach on campus they say they have evidence that that kind of hate speech was going on on campus they're worried and are reaching out to students and community saying look we need to be vigilant because we know that isis is trying to recruit from our campuses. canadian authorities echoing what we heard from pam saying look the radicalization problem in canada continues to grow. this is still a threat and this will continue to plague many families. they're saying to families look you need to alert authorities before it's too late. canadian authorities working with their counterparts in turkey to determine where the teenagers could have ended up. back to you. one of the concerns there is there was a little lag time with the families between when they felt that the kids were missing and contacting the authorities. we'll get some more information for you on that.
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we're also learning this morning more about who jihadi john really is and whether british intelligence blew it in his case. cnn senior international correspondent nic robertson is in london with more. hindsight always 20/20. is there any proof this was a real miss? >> it's hard to know the specifics of precisely how he did get out of the country. but the bottom line is yeah absolutely since 2009 at the least, he's been on the radar. british officials and media is using a court document which states that emwazi mohammed emwazi jihadi john was associating with a group of men in west london with known terror connections to somalia. indeed one of those people he was, he was believed and alleged to have been sort of teaming up with in west london went off to fight in somalia, was killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2012. so the authorities here certainly believed that he had a track record that they needed to pay attention to. they had obviously picked him up in tanzania in 2009.
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how did he slip the net and get out of the country late 2012? early 2013? that's a really big question. at the moment the ease of travel through europe is certainly something that worries counterterrorism officials here. it's not like getting on a trans-atlantic flight where you know your travel plans are flagged well in advance. it is easy relatively easy to slip out of this country into other parts of europe. move let's say to turkey and into syria. it's an open question was it a miss? he was certainly under their spotlight before. back to you. >> nic robertson, thanks so much. let's talk about it with mitch silver the executive managing director for k 2 intelligence and former director of intelligence for the nypd. and daveed gartenstein-ross senior fellow for the foundation of defense of democracies. you both are experts in the field of recruitment. you're great guests to have on this morning. mitch, i want to start with you. let me read to you what the head of counterterrorism for the fbi, the director michael steinbach
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has said about how we are losing this war to isis in terms of recruitment. here's what he has said. we have an effective counternarrative. but the sheer volume we are losing the battle. their amount of use of social media eclipses our effort. >> how can isis this band of 30,000 maybe, be beating the u.s. in terms of getting recruitment and people becoming radicalized here at home? >> well a good metaphor is almost thinking about this as something like microsoft versus youtube. one is a top-down effort by the u.s. government to try to monitor these social media websites. and the other is bottom-up. so all of the members of isis are broadcasting their message on youtube, on twitter, and a variety of other different social media channels that's beyond what the u.s. can monitor for the most part. >> i want to stay with you, you helped bust these guys in new jersey who wanted to go to
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somalia to join al shabab and you did it through online surveillance. how easy or difficult is it to track some wannabes online in their communication? >> it's very challenging. you need to have a cadre of people who have unique language skills and we did it through the nypd's cyberintelligence unit. you need individuals who have the language skills they need to be looking at the appropriate websites to be detecting those signals that individuals are radicalizing. as we just saw in the brooklyn case where someone put a threat against the united states on an uzbeki website and that's what triggered the thread that unravelled the whole case. >> daveed you've studied the process of how people become radicalized. can you explain that to snus. >> i think there's no set way. or no one pattern for radicalization. i would describe it as having separate pathways. some pathways are much more based around people's interpretation of religion or ideology. mitch did a very good stud doin that several years ago.
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some pathways are based on political grievance. some are based upon deprivation, some are based on sense of adventure there are different ways that people are drawn into violent extremism. but one of the disadvantages we harbor under i think is we are kind of unwilling to step into the shoes of people who are radicalized. who are extremists. if you look at the violent extremism summit there's a debate about what kind of language the u.s. government should be using. i think the language about extremism is entirely appropriate. but at the same time at an analytic level, you have to be willing to step into the shoes of a jihadist and understand their particular interpretation of their faith, of the political context, in order to better understand how you can refute and undermine that message. >> that makes sense, what do you mean step into the shoes of? what does that look like? >> if you look at graham wood's article in the" atlantic" it
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caused so much discussion. he makes this argument that isis talks about religion a lot and we should take their ideas about religion seriously. not for the purposes of determining what islam really is but because this is something that matters to them. for example, my view is that isis even by their interpretation of islam, which section is extreme, is committing a large number of sharia or islamic law. we never will understand if our discussion stops at that which is good comes from islam, that which is bad is a distortion. it's a preschool argument we tend to have. it's only when you start to understand where they're coming from understand what their interpretation is and why it's that way, that you can find the vulnerabilities in their religious narrative. in their political narratives there's a lot of vulnerabilities that have gone unexploited. >> the arrest of these three brooklyn guys who were trying to join isis gives us a window into the recruitment process. some of the exchange online with
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other isis members have been revealed in the affidavit. let me read one. this is from a propaganda website, and this is an isis so-called administrator, talking to one of these 24-year-old brooklyn guys here's what the isis guys whosays. even the khali ph himself is doing jihad. do you want to wait until they? your house? >> this is sort of bullying him, i guess. i would call it to come there. is that a typical tactic? >> it is there are two elements to this. one is the only fact is the only way now about this is cyberthreat intelligence. is monitoring the internet monitoring the websites and being able to detect when these people are making these types of posts. the second element that speaks into what daveed mentioned, trying to get into the mindset of a jihadi wannabe. and this person ball gami is playing on those issues there's
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a concept in islam where you have certain obligations and part of the way he's bullying or guilting these three men in brooklyn to come to syria and iraq is to say hey this is your personal obligation, he your religious obligation is to come to syria and iraq and get into the fight whether it's three men in brooklyn or six girls in canada or three women in the uk it's the idea that the recruiters and they're doing it online as opposed to coming to copenhagen or paris or new york they're able to pull people from the west to syria and iraq because they're playing on the obligations and saying hey, we're building a utopian society here a caliphate, come join us be part of this. >> mitch silver daveed gartenstein-ross thanks so much for letting us know how to step up the game against them. news in the irs scandal. there's one main question -- did somebody hide lois learner's
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emails? an agency investigator looking into the disappearance tells a house committee he found potential quote criminal activity. former irs official lerner is at the center of the scandal. with u.s./israeli relations at a new low, the white house is sending national security adviser, susan rice and u.n. ambassador samantha power to apac this weekend, the pro israel lobbying conference starts sunday. israeli prime minister benjamin netenyahu will address the group monday a day before delivering a controversial speech to congress on the iran nuclear threat. netenyahu was invited by house speaker john boehner, you'll remember without notifying the white house. two dozen democrats plan to boycott that address. amid all this serious news what is the world talking about? a critical debate dividing the world this morning -- what color is this dress? do you see black and blue? do you see gold and white? this is a dress debate tearing the internet apart over it i'm
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not kidding, people looking at the same image see different colors. and the colors you see depends on how your brain interprets light. so what color is it? the company behind the dress tweeted out this picture of the original blue and black dress. and look at it side by side. this dress practically -- broke the internet with more than 21 million people reading the original post on buzzfeed are you blue and black, white and gold? tweet us or go to our facebook page. i saw white and gold but the picture i first saw was a little different than that one there. >> i see white and gold. >> i see blue and black. >> you see the one on the left is blue and black? >> i see on the left blue and black now. >> you see black not gold? >> we're all looking at the same picture. >> what do you say -- >> i see gold. >> what do you see, phil? >> i see gold and blue.
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>> i saw gold and white when i first looked at it. fle, it's a total mind-blowing weird perception optical illusion and the world keeps talking about it. >> maybe we all have too much time on our hands, that's one option or it is so mind-blowing. >> i saw a headline in the "u.s.a. today" said the fcc has voted to regulate the internet and we celebrate by talking about this dress all night long. well here's another question for you who are the real contenders and who are just pretenders among the republicans? those are the stakes at the big cpac convention who is convincing the real conservatives? tion strength. when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over-producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. the leading allergy pill only controls one, flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase the 24 hour relief that outperforms the #1 allergy pill. so go ahead , inhale life. new flonase. six is greater
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you can put it on the floor, kill it. let them vote on it? have you had this discussion? [ kissing sounds ] >> when we make decisions, i'll let you know. >> that was speaker of the house, john boehner, kissing off a question about funding the department of homeland security. with hours left where's our clock? hours left big issues going on. is that the attitude he should
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be taking? should any of this be going on. let's discuss with john avlon, cnn political analyst, editor of "daily beast," and margaret hoover cnn republican consultant and sirius xm host. >> what's going do happen in 17 hours? >> the bet is john bain certificate able to pull it off in the, you can't even say 11th hour. we're in the 11th hour. >> he reigns in the house, the various caucuses and they vote for a clean bill? >> i think he's going to have to have some democrats and i think it's going to be a clean bill. >> besides sort of the bizarre kiss-off move like hey i got this under control. >> what's your take on this? what does that mean? >> that's loose classic boehner. he wants -- >> it's not a real question i don't want to talk about it. >> don't worry, sweetie, i got this right? >> i have no intention of sharing my strategy with you. >> and the kiss -- >> the kiss means that why? i'm thinking of using it. >> i think it's a cincinnati
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thing. you wouldn't understand. you know -- >> i think it's improvisational, it can mean anything for you, i really like you, but i'm in the going to share with you. in his case i'm not going to -- >> that's part of this is because they've become so comfortable with the groundhog day scenario governing by crisis, even at the 11th hour that's the only way they'll get anything done. there's a extreme degree of bizarre calm in the halls of power. boehner is not going to try to do the hastert rule yet. that's the only way we'll get out of this folks. we'll get a continuing resolution we'll punt and do this again in three weeks, that will be the time where allegedly we're all going to have a great meeting of the mind. that's not going to end up. and when mcconnell tried to dot right thing, it passed 98-2. if you try to do the right thing, it's not controversial. >> the house and the senate are two totally different institutions john boehner is a weak speaker, he was challenged
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six weeks ago in terms of his speakership. a lot of people want to take him out. needs to be able to maintain some degree of leverage over his caucus so he can't be seen as folding to mitch mcconnell's deal in the senate. he needs to take it down to the bottom line for his caucus. >> he picked the wrong football this time. these threats all over the place. >> are you correct, but they are divorced from reality when it comes to that. it's all about the power within the caucus and for him to maintain leverage on his caucus. i know that is not governing and i know that is not responsible. >> i appreciate you saying that. >> you and i all know that you have to appreciate that there's a different set of rules when it comes to governing the house of representatives than the senate. >> they are holding, not only our country hostage to put our national security hostage. >> you know there's a debate about that. is it jobs that people are going to be going on hiatus from for a while, getting back pay? the essential people in terms of national security will still be reporting to work. >> that's a really important reality check. it's not like all of a sudden no one's going to be on point. at a time when threats are
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increasing at a times when james comey is saying there are 50-state isis threats. and when dhs has been venerated by republicans, to play politics with it to show that you hate immigration reform more than you love maintaining the posture of national security at full capacity that's scary politic playing. >> let's move on to cpac. >> you're doing your sirius xm show from there. >> chris cuomo, you're the best. thanks for asking. >> what were the big headlines you saw? >> i think chris christie now acknowledges he's not a front-runner. that was a big give. >> let's play that for a moment. he talked about his impressions of jeb bush. getting the nomination if that were to happen. watch this. >> well listen if what happens is if the elites in washington who make back-room deals decide who the president is going to be he's definitely the front-runner. if the people of the united states decide to pick the next president of the united states and they want someone who looks them in the eye, connects with them and is one of them?
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i'll do okay if i run. >> see how prickly and thin-skinned he is about that? i think he can't stand and doesn't like that he's not the front-runner any more. but he's try 0ing to make it his advantage. he's trying to make it himself the every day guy, rather than the establishment choice. it's a good tactical maneuver. >> it's always been part of his strategy. he's got a lot of the arena rock bruce springsteen in him. he's never been a back corridor kind of guy where the dynasties inherently are. >> let's talk about the irs for a moment. because you may recall there was a scandal about the irs and that they were targeting tea party groups for extra scrutiny. now it seems to have actually gone further. because lois lerner the congress had wanted lois lerner's emails. whoops those were lost. >> the dog ate my hard drive. >> it turns out that investigators, inspector general says we think that you have hidden them somewhere and we think there could be some sort of criminal activity.
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>> that is a whole different ball game. i mean obviously these have been actively hidden. >> prom for obama? >> problem for the administration and it depends on whether there's any evidence of collusion, there's a huge if. >> but also the president came out and defended them immediately and so all of this has become probably unnecessarily partisan. can i tell you a funny story? i went by the irs on the way to pac yesterday, the flag in front of the irs was flying upside-down. it's on my instagram if you want to see it. >> that's a sign of distress by the way. when the flag is upside-down. it's a sign of distress. >> that's a cry for help if we've ever heard one. >> i will say that citizens united helped create the environment where a massive influx of political entrepreneurs trying to get into the game created sort of this influx of attempts to register these organizations. >> if this criminal activity you've got a problem. a bigger problem even if you don't is -- scrutiny of those
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groups conservative liberal, whatever was very valuable and it's going to be scaled back now and we all lose. we all lose. >> john margaret thank you happy weekend. important llama alert for you, two llamas on the loose in arizona, how do you catch a llama when they're not in the mood to be caught? that's the question of the llama drama. spanish joke does that mean by name llama, that they're constantly running around saying "my name is" "my name is"? spanish joke. you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly... you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone so you can breathe and sleep shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right.
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works? works. works! works? works. works. welcome back to "new day," it has been a brutal and relentless winter for many the snow and ice is not letting up. what is your weekend look like? let's get to meteorologist ivan cabrera with a look at the forecast. how bad is it ivan? >> it's going to be cold and more snow is going to be on the way. it's depressing stuff at this point here. but silver lining there will be a brief warm-up coming. it will make it all the way to new york where it's almost going to feel balmy.
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but right now it's 19 degrees in new york and it feels well much chillier. look at the temperatures well below zero across the midwest. and you factor in the wind and it makes it feel like it's about 15 below in minneapolis and 9 in nashville. we're tracking the next storm, it's moving through texas right now. a little piece of energy that will fizzle out. it's the next storm moving out of the four corners into this weekend. if you're in oklahoma heading into missouri heading into the great lakes. that is where we're going to be talking about accumulating snowfall. and eventually the storm will head off to the north and east and yes it will be bringing snow to the northeast again. where boston may actually break its all-time snowiest winter ever. we've gotten this far, we might as well do it and we may do this t this weekend with another perhaps six inches on the way. that's the track of the storm. down in the southeast, that's where we're talking about the warm-up. frigid air to the north, but a nice little mild push of air will eventually make it to the northeast briefly, to warm us up. i know this is brief, but i must go back to the news room and
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convince everyone that that dress is white and gold. >> thank you, ivan we -- i agree with you. christine see it is differently. thanks so much. congress playing politics with the protection of the american people. less than 18 hours to go that's why we have the clock up. it matters that much and if that clock goes to all zeros and nothing is done money runs dry in too many parts of the department of homeland security this isn't a debate about the department. it's about republicans drying to stop the president's executive orders the senate could vote on a clean funding bill this morning that will keep the department running without addressing those orders. the house republicans playing an even worse game. they're preparing a stop-gap pleasure to keep the department operating for three weeks. while they figure out a different plan. democratic leaders say they have no interest in supporting a short-term arrangement. the fbi's top counterterror official says the u.s. is stopping thestop
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ing -- losing the battle to stop the isis propaganda machine. steinbach says the u.s. counternarrative is effective but the volume of isis messaging is too much for them to overcome. and america can't get enough llama drama. social media lighting up with excitement over an unusual and unforgettable case two llamas on the loose in arizona. >> what the heck is going on? >> for three hours thursday -- >> this is pair of llamas on the loose. >> much of america glued to their tv sets. and enthralled by two therapy llamas darting through traffic. evading capture over and over again. >> we've been out here for an hour trying to capture them. we're wondering if we can get some help. >> the llama drama began while the animals were visiting a senior living facility west of phoenix, arizona, the white llama spooked over a plastic bag became erratic and its handler
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lost control. >> next thing i knew he went down to the ground and i kept screaming no big deal let her go i figured no big deal we'll catch her again and the rest is history. >> luns of llama-related tweets #llamas trending worldwide. the llama owners were among dozens trying to wrangle them in. >> i was terrified that they would get caught in traffic. cause an accident. >> this man tried to grab the black llama's neck and pursuers broke out the lasso. >> we headed over there. >> the black llama caught by a local and eventually another man in the back of this pick-up truck expertly throw as lasso around the white llama. they're both back in custody. >> both in prison. >> not before entertaining a nation. >> someone needs to write a children's book. >> lanie and carney the llamas that could run faster than
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everyone in arizona. >> that was someone. >> llamas can be nasty. they spit. >> what i do not know is what a therapy llama is. those llamas needed therapy. not the other way around. >> can you feign that real fear again because llamas because they spit. >> they spit at me. >> my spanish joke went down. i'm still holding onto it. >> they told to you let go. regulators vote for an open internet what does it mean to you? what is net neutrality? it means internet providers can not slow down certain websites or charge more for faster access. the government has decided that the internet is like a utility. websites like netflix and facebook love these rules. providers like at&t and comcast are promising a big fight. what does it mean for my "house of cards" watching? the rules won't be official until this summer.
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i'm not in a position to either confirm or deny that the individual named in these reports is the individual that we're searching for. but i can tell thaw the united
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states' commitment and the president's commitment to insuring that we find and hold accountable the terrorists who are responsible for the murders of american citizens has never been stronger. >> neither confirm nor deny. one of the most loaded nonresponses can you get from the government. that from white house press secretary josh earnest on jihadi john. identified publicly yesterday. it turns out the isis executioner is just of the least of our problems in terms of fighting terror. let's look at the landscape of some of the most wanted terrorists notice world. who they are and why they matter. bobby ghosh, cnn global affairs analyst, managing editor of "quartz" and phillip mudd a former c.i.a. counterterrorism official. i'm not starting with jihadi john. he's a new breed and i'm not convinced he matters like these guys do. mr. ghosh, who is this man? why does he matter so much? >> he's the leader of isis redefining what it means to be a jihadi leader. he's announced himself as a caliph a religious leader. he's different from everything
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that's gone before. he's different from osama bin laden and many others because he doesn't simply launch attacks, he takes territory and holds onto it. he sees himself as a ruler. not simply as a leader of a band of bad guys or -- >> why isn't the fact that he's calling himself a caliph more enraging to muslims? >> well it is it's absolutely enraging to muslims all over the world. >> that's new. >> that's new and that's a level of temerity that doesn't sit well with muslims anywhere. that's a big call. that's like calling yourself a pope and what you are is a mass murderer. >> now phillip there are rumors out there about whether or not he's been hit, maybe in mosul, along the border of iraq and syria. very far apart. they are rumors. let's talk about this man. >> a couple of things you're going see, common characteristics through this this conversation. the first is he's been around since thorly 2,000s as the leader of the organization. al-baghdadi has been around.
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they have duration experience in these organizations, the second theme you'll hear consistently is what we call ungoverned space, an area of geography where governments lack the capability to reach. iraq one, yemen the other. in the third is shown intent to come after the united states. we've seen it with isis. this guy is the architect of the underwear bomber over detroit in 2009. that combination of space you can't control, leadership and intent -- >> why is isis eating his lunch? is it because of the caliph thing and it's appealing more on a religious level? >> you look at the access that isis has to a universe of people in western europe and the united states. the amount of geography they control. that's a bigger magnet i would say than yemen is. >> and this man? >> well this man is the leader of boko haram in this country they came to everyone's attention when they grabbed those girls last year. they're still missing. this group has been sort of running amuck in nigeria and some of its neighboring
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countries, cameroon chad and they're especially brutal. they too, are redefining the art of terrorism. he's sending young girls, eight, nine years old, into marketplaces strapped with bombs and blowing them up. he's a level of moral degradation that we have not seen. >> phillip mudd do you believe rumors from the nigeria officials that they killed them? >> i don't think the nigerians have been effective in this fight, i think he's still around. >> let's go to a she. is this a real player and why? >> i think she's kind of a camp follower. we don't know enough about her. we know that hayat boumeddiene was in the periphery of the paris attacks, she was the girlfriend of one of the attackers, the one who attacked the kosher market. and then she vanished. she left before the attack was actually conducted. the french police aren't saying enough about her actual role in it. it's possible that she was a camp follower a hanger-on and they sent her away because they didn't want her imprisoned. >> not a leader obviously.
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>> no. >> somebody who may have helped before or after the fact. but not somebody we see. but she is a point of fascination. and then we have this guy in the news right now. jihadi john. you know it feels to me like he's a face plate. he's getting a lot of respect right now for being like a major player he's always in the video. who do you think he is as an animal? >> he's not a major player but he's a snapshot with hayat boumeddiene with what has happened in the past 15 years. 20 years ago when i was doing counterterrorism you didn't have to worry about these people they didn't have an outlet to become a faceplate. today these two folks are an example of why people who are not operational leaders, he's not an operational leader are critical. they can serve as the face for the organization. for a 15-year-old kid in london or new york who joins the organization. that's why he's important. propaganda not operations. >> final word? >> the important thing with these two is that they're westerners really. they were raised here and they're within western communities. they're not from poor
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disadvantaged, middle eastern communities. it reminds us that we can't, that we have to look everywhere. that there's no clear definition of what makes a terrorist. >> it shows that no one is immune. you look at education, social economics, no one is immune. phillip mudd bobby ghosh, thank you very much. very helpful. the fbi says isis is winning the war of online propaganda and recruitment. so why can't u.s. tech companies shut these sites down? and is it their job to do so? we will talk to a top cyber expert.
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one of the fbi's top counterterrorism officials says the west is losing the battle to stop the spread of the isis message online. why can't companies like facebook and twitter shut down accounts linked to terror? howard schmidt is the former cybersecurity czar in the obama administration and is a partner at ridge schmidt cyber, llc, a company that advises corporations and government leaders in cybersecurity.
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mr. schmidt. thank you so much for being here. can you explain why twitter and facebook can't just shut down any accounts linked to terror? >> well they can. because a lot of these terrorist groups and other people cyber criminals actually violate the terms of service when you log in you have all of those words that you click and you say agree. but what happens is there's competing forces out here. u.s. government may say, leave it out because we want to collect intelligence off of it. we want to identify some of the participants, another government says shut it down right away. so these multinational companies like twitter and facebook and google are really in a bad position. if they see it and it's clear that it's terrorist, they try to take it down. unless law enforcement asks them not to. >> everybody understands leaving them up for investigative purposes that makes perfect sense. but it sounds like congress is giving twitter heat. there was this recent brookings
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institution study they said they found as many as 46,000 twitter accounts were being used by isis sympathizer sympathizers congress doesn't like that can't they put some sort of controls over that many? >> well that's not the worst of it. there's about 90,000 posts of one form or another, every day from these groups tracking them down is difficult. but yet, they have the technical ability to do it. it's extremely difficult. but once again, you have those competing interests out there. there's another component that comes into it. played into it for quite a while. when you look at the international laws flipping it the other way. we have other countries that say we want to leave it up. we're tracking somebody down. and it takes a tremendous amount of coordination. the last thing is they do a very good job taking these things down. getting notified by the fbi, getting notified by customers. but there's not a framework,
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there's not a way of looking at this thing that's consistent that makes congress happy and also the other 186 countries in the world. >> i think what we're responding to is that the fbi counterterrorism official who has said we're losing this war, we're losing wart in terms of propaganda and recruitment and we see evidence of it. the three brooklyn men who were just arrested this week trying to head there. why isn't the fbi taking precedents? i understand that you say there's all of these competing agendas, but if the fbi says we're losing this war and we need to do something about their technical and online prowess, it seems rasas though that should take precedents. >> it should take precedents. it's one of the things that the fbi and those folks involved in the investigation between the united states are spending a lot of time working with the twitters and the facebooks and everything else. you know we need to be clear that those bodies not only have to deal with the law enforcement community worldwide, but they also have to deal with what's by
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many accounts people consider first amendment issues. so you get in a real conflict and it's just becomes jumbled up. but the bottom line is we are losing we have to get a better control. because their message is getting out more than our message is getting out. and i think a number of experts have said that we need to make sure that we our volume is much louder than them. when they say something we drown it out with accuracy. but we need the cooperation, shutting it down and getting the message out. >> we've heard from some cybersecurity experts that it's a game of whack-a-mole. you find one site that's somehow linked to terror or a social media account and you shut it down and it pops up somewhere else. how hard is it to trace the user of those sites? >> it could be very difficult. a number of these sites by the way are registered through united states domain servers. so we wind up in a situation
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that's not just trying to track something down in yemen or nigeria or a place like that. we have to deal with u.s. servers, they bury themselves so deep. so you may have access to a server where you have 1,000 accounts on it but only one of them is involved in terrorist propagation, recruitment. so tracking those down proving basically do yourself or the courts that this this indeed is involved in terrorists and then you shut it down. so it's really complicated. and they're growing. and that's one of the other problems we have. they're growing and there's ways to hide where they're coming from. >> it is complicated, but howard schmidt, thank you so much for helping us to understand it this morning. there's a lot of news to follow this morning, so let's get to it. >> the department of homeland security going unfunded. down to the minute. >> this is not a partisan dispute. this is a party dispute.
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>> when we make decisions, i'll let you know. six canadian teens are feared to have fled to join isis. >> it doesn't matter where you are, we'll find you, we'll hunt you down and we will hold you accountable. >> what they're trying to do is engage in cultural and heritage general side. >> what the heck is going on? >> they continue to elude the animal control authorities. >> i was terrified. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone welcome back to "new day." with isis recruiters reaching right into america's living room congress still cannot figure out how to keep the department of homeland security funded. the money runs dry 17 hours from now. that's when thousands of jobs will be furloughed at the government agency in charge of protecting us from terrorism. >> matters enough to have the clock up no question about it. remember it's not a debate about what dhs does. this is about stopping president
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obama's immigration reforms. to his credit. leader mitch mcconnell separated dhs funding from the president's order and has the senate poised to pass a clean spending bill today. the today the house seems to have a different agenda senior cnn white house correspondent jim acosta tracking the developments. the symbolism of the boehner kiss a kiss is just a kiss a sigh is just a sigh. and the song's name? "as time goes by." come on jim. >> let's hope it's not the big kiss-off chris, let me tell you. washington is once again peering over a cliff. this time it's a homeland security cliff. as you have up on screen 17 hours to go until the department of homeland security runs out of money. there are competing plans on capitol hill senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has a plan we keep the department funded until september. over in the house, house speaker john bain certificate looking at a plan that he thinks can he get past his more conservative caucus. that would last only three weeks. so he's going to be herding cats
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or herding llamas as the case may be up on capitol hill later today. which is why the white house is characterizing this as an intraparty republican fight. here's what they had to say. >> republicans made an aggressive case over the course of last year. about why the american people should entrust the united states congress to republican leadership. here we are, seven or eight weeks into their tenure and they're on the precipice of falling down on the job. particularly when that's notable when we're talking about something as important as funding the department of homeland security. >> you know who is not a fan of the idea of a three-week spending bill for the department of homeland security that would be the secretary of dhs, jeh johnson. he sent a letter to lawmakers yesterday saying a short-term continuing resolution ex-as baits the uncertainty for my workforce and puts us back in the same position on the brink of a shutdown. just days from now. and of course there's some serious implications in all of
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this. tsa, border security the secret service, thousands of employees could go without pay for weeks depending on how long this lasts. but the, the thinking is up on capitol hill guys that this will get done and ivan mentioned to house speaker boehner that chris cuomo had his own questions on all of this. this was the response that he gave to us on that. just want to put it out there. are we going to play no sound byte. well it was, that was the kissing, i was going to put it up there for you, chris, but we decided not to do it we'll see what happen ss there it is. >> i like my metaphors so much i'll repeat it jim. a kiss is just a kiss a sigh is just a sigh, and the next phrase in the song by louis armstrong "as time goes by." >> you're running with that one. thanks so much guys. as he prepares to leave
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office attorney general eric holder weighing in on terrorism. with a did he say? >> well we sat down with eric holder just before he leaves his post as attorney general. it was a ten-minute interview. we covered a range of topics it was interesting hearing his perspective on terrorism, counterterrorism efforts and also how the u.s. government should bring jihadi john one of america's most wanted terrorists to justice. here's what he had to say. >> we have shown that it doesn't matter how long it takes. it doesn't matter where you are. we'll find you, we'll hunt you down and we will hold you accountable. >> can you really do that? >> through the use of our military or law enforcement capacity if you harm americans, it is the swarn duty of every person in the executive branch to find you and hold you accountable. >> do you think we could go as
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far as sending in our u.s. troops to go if inn and hunt him down? >> i would not take anything off the table. we will do what we have to do to hold people accountable and protect our fellow citizens. >> do you think it's inevitable that we're going to see an isis-related attack on u.s. soil. >> i don't think there's anything inevitable about it but i think it's something we need to be concerned about. >> you feel that we're capable, we have the tools we need to combat the problem. >> we have been through hard times there may be incidents we have do deal with in the future. we'll dot best we can to prevent them. should something happen we should put them in the appropriate context. >> when you say incidents in the future you mean other terrorist attacks being like what we saw in boston? >> it's the thing that keeps me up at night. worrying about those lone wolves those one or two people who for whatever reason decide to do something like we saw in boston. other threats that we have that we have prevented. it's something that gives me great concern. >> people going through
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airports you go through body scanners. a lot of security you don't have the same kind of security at malls as the nation's top law enforcement official, would you recommend more security at easy targets like malls? >> it would be the responsible thing for the operators of malls to increase their capabilities when it comes to keeping people safe. going just about their normal everyday lives. >> so there we heard holder saying there should be increased security at malls in the wake of the al shabab video, the terrorist group based in somalia. asking for followers to launch attacks at u.s.-based malls. as we heard there, holder stopped short of saying the malls should employ body scanners like those used at airports. he said there are a variety of ways you can increase security. such as increasing the presence of security guards at places like malls. back to you. >> pam la good interview. threat all too obvious. let's bring in congressman steve
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king. republican from iowa a member of the house judiciary committee. thank you for joining us. am i right in assuming that you're here today to apologize for connecting our national security to a political fight with barack obama? >> that wouldn't be correct, chris. i'm here to talk to you about the strategy that's being going on here as the president has violated the constitution. conducted himself in a lawless fashion, decided he would eliminate laws that were written by congress and signed by a previous president. make up his own laws go to chicago and give a speech and say, i changed the law. our founding fathers expected and in fact i believe history commands us do keep our oath to support and defend the constitution. especially when the president violates his, chris. >> congressman, even if you are 100% right about all of those points why tie stopping those orders to potentially the most vital agency that we have especially now, when you have james comey, the fbi director
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saying he's got active cases in all 50 states? why mess with the national security? >> i wanted to use the entire omnibus bill as leverage and bring this whole thing together and have it finish back december 11th. that was my strategy. i didn't get my strategy i supported the leadership's strategy. when you look at the department of homeland security at least 85% of it are essential services which means worn the funding runs out, essential services will continue. border patrol custom border protection i.c.e. among them. there was a real government shutdown a year and a half ago for 17 days in october of 2013. i don't remember that ever being an issue back then. so if it didn't make -- >> it was an issue. >> congressman, it was an issue. that's why your party got beaten up about that shutdown back then because it was seen as hurting the people for a failure, for political compromise on your part. it seems like that's going to happen again.
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members of your own party seem to recognize it let's play the bite from congressman peter king. he's on your team. it's a full screen. we have an effective counternative here but the sheer volume -- we want peter king. king says you cannot mess with national security it's a mistake, it's irresponsible. do you agree with that? >> well we're not messing with national security. first of all. i was happy to welcome 15 new republicans into the house of representatives after that event that seemed to hurt us so badly and nine new republican senators over on the other side. >> do you think because of it -- >> do you think it was a political consequence. >> do you think it was because you shut the government down? you know what mitch mcconnell thinks he says on his watch, no more shutdowns and you know the polls what they say, if we can put up the poll. you know who they say will be blamed if there's another kind of shutdown of that magnitude. they say republicans will be blamed. big numbers.
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>> chris, republicans -- however you want to talk about blame, republicans didn't shut the government down. i voted time after time to fund all the legitimate functions of government except obamacare, that's our constitutional duty to do that. we take an oath to support and defend the constitution of the united states. and it doesn't say, unless you're afraid you'll be blamed or unless you think there's a political consequence. we have to do our duty. this is a constitutional crisis the president of the united states has reached into the constitution taken it out and ripped out the article 1 of the constitution folded it in half put it in his pocket and said i own this too. congress can only ratify if you choose the things that he says ought to happen. he is acting like an emperor. this republic will look back on these days if we don't hold our ground and see the time that our republic was lost. >> this is the point, congressman, i am not debating or pushing back on the immigration argument you're making and the executive orders. because it has nothing to do with funding dhs.
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you have your legal battle going. had you a good result with a judge. there are legitimate arguments to be made. no question that there's a debate to be had. however, why tie it to having a 115% effort by dhs to deal with the all 50 states involving cases with isis radicalization? the arrest we just had in brooklyn. you need all men and women hands on deck 24/7. why play with that for the furtherance of this other political battle? >> why is the president playing with this? >> did you this with the dhs bill not the president. >> why is the senate holding this up? it's the president that's throwing a political tantrum demanding that he have the funding to violate the constitution of the united states. and a lot of the press and democrats and some republicans are trying to turn it back the other way. because somehow they're afraid they will get blamed. i think stand on principle, if you're right on principle, maybe you get blamed now.
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but history will vindicate you. >> this isn't just about money and time and furlough and people getting paid again. again, it's about the agency. i think you have to understand that dhs isn't just another agency. especially right now. i mean literally, you guys are debating further statutory approval of war efforts against the people who you're now saying well we're okay we cannot be in full strength to defend ourselves against it. does that make sense? >> chris, the president has ordered many of the people you're talking about to be the welcome mat of illegal aliens. it wouldn't trouble knee if they would stop meeting people at the border and escorting them up to the station, giving them traveling papers and giving them transportation to fly, drive or transport them to all of the 50 states. they're completing the crime by the law alsoness of the president that orders them to violate the law and complete the crime of illegal transport of people. illegal people into the united
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states. there's a part of this we could get along without, the law-breaking part that's ordered object our noble people that protect our borders this is appalling, our forefather was roll over in their graves. a lot of people who came here illegally came here to lead the lawless nation and they're seeing the lawlessness manifest itself now. there are lawsuits out there now, one of them is crane versus in a poll tanno. i helped start that lawsuit back in 2011. ed other one is texas versus u.s. that we're talking about more here today. both of those lawsuits are being undermined by a congress if congress funds the illegal acts that were litigating on then the court is going to look at that and conclude like they did under obamacare, we don't want to resolve a disagreement between the legislative and the executive branch of government. john roberts threw obamacare back into our lap partly for that reason and it undermines our cases. >> i get the debate. it seems that they're separate
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issues and you don't want to compromise national security to win the other battle at least i don't think you should want that but thank you very much representative steve king always good to have you on the show to late out your side. now to some new sickening video posted by isis. the terrorists destroying ancient statues and other priceless artifacts at a museum in iraq. some dating back 700 years bc. cnn's senior international correspondent ben wedeman is live in erbil, iraq with more. >> this is a video that was posted yesterday on the internet. five minutes long what you see is a group of men inside the mosul museum. toppling over one statue after another. these are statues that date back in this particular instance to about 200 or 300 bc. you see other men with sledgehammers whacking and breaking into pieces more of
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these statues. others throwing them from the wall on to the floor where they shatter. you see a man with a drill defacing the iconic the famous winged bulls of nineva. and those date back to about 700 bc. in the video there's a man who explains why they're doing it. he tells them muslims, these are statues that were made by people who worshipped idols and there for, we must destroy them. no matter how old they are. alisyn? >> they hate the present, they hate the future they hate the past. it's just sickening to watch all of this. ben wedeman, thank you for that report. an irs watchdog says there's potential criminal activity involved in the agency's email scandal. the taxing agency is accused of unfairly withholding tax-exempt status from the tea party and other conservative groups. the big issue is the irs lost emails regarding the issue. and that they are not
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recoverable. but the treasury inspector general is not buying it. round two of talks today between the u.s. and cuba. officials from both countries meeting in washington to discuss restoring diplomatic relations. the cubans not happy about being on america's list of state sponsors of terrorism. u.s. officials now reviewing that designation. the two sides also discussing opening embassies in each country. and exchanging prisoners. a rollover crash captured by a truck's dash cam video on a highway in kentucky. an suv goes off the road rolls over five times, sending pieces of the vehicle flying. ejecting three people. police say they weren't wearing seat belts, it's amazing any of them survived. a 5-year-old boy was the most seriously injured. it's really hard to watch that. he had two broking legs. >> my gosh. >> buckle up, folks, buckle up. good reminder. president obama and dozens of fellow democrats do not like it. but israeli prime minister
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there has now been injected a degree of partisanship. which is not only unfortunate. it's destructive of the fabric of the relationship. >> well that was national security adviser susan rice earlier this week. calling israeli prime minister benjamin netenyahu's upcoming
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speech before congress quote destructive. now the white house plans to send rice and u.n. ambassador samantha power to a pro israel lobby conference this weekend. will that ease the tensions? let's debate this bringing in hilary mann leverette, she's the co-author of "going to tehran." and alan dershowitz emeritus professor of law at harvard law school. and the author of "terror tunnels: the case for israel's just war against hamas." great to see both of you this morning. hilary do you agree with susan rice's assessment that benjamin netenyahu's visit will be destructive to the relationship between u.s. and israel? >> i think the u.s./israel relations are at an historic low. but i would say it's going to be a clarifying moment. an important moment. it may not be quite as destructive as the rhetoric out there pretends it to be. i think it will be important to clarify that prime minister netenyahu has a position that is
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essentially fact-free. what u.s. officials have said on background to the "washington post" is that it's fictional. he's living in fantasyland. >> you don't believe iran is as close to getting nuclear weapons as he will say they are. >> well it's not me. you have the almost the entire israeli national security establishment, 200 israeli generals came out this week to say that netenyahu's claims are not accurate. you have the white house spokesman saying his claims are not accurate. the entire u.s. national security establishment, 16 of our, all 16 of our intelligence agencies say that netenyahu is not accurate. what is critically important is that the administration is saying that the israelis and netenyahu in particular and kerry said this to congress cannot come here yet again as netenyahu did in 2012 on the eve of the iraq war, to give us -- 2002. to give us a false story to help lead us into war. they're saying we're not going to do that again.
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>> alan do you agree with that assessment? >> absolutely not. this is not about the israeli/american relation it's a great constitutional and foreign policy debate. about whether we trust iran whether we are prepared to allow them to become a nuclear weapon power. this is the most extensive exporter of terrorism in the world today. and it's not between israel and the united states. it's between the obama administration and congress and senator menendez and other leading democrats, the "washington post" editorialized against this deal. today david brooks has a brilliant article in the "new york times" calling it a bad deal. saying it's a bad bet. because it accepts my distinguished opponent's view that iran is not really trying to develop nuclear weapons. that it can be brought into the fold of the western world. it's a very bad bet. it's the bet that chamberlain made in 1938 when he said that he could deal with hitler. all hitler wanted was
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sudatenland and if we give them that, there will be piece in our time. this is a great debate that shouldn't be reduced to a personality dispute between netenyahu and obama. >> do you agree that the netenyahu has overhyped his claims about what iran is capable of? >> absolutely not. iran is capable of and wants to develop nuclear weapons. everybody knows that. there is a dispute among intelligence communities, all intelligence communities have disputes. about how close they are, if you're israel and you've been told that iran's goal is to destroy the nation's state of the jewish people you want to always err on the side of caution. and the worst you can say about the israeli government is that it is erring on the side of caution. it cannot take a risk to its own survival. a risk that the united states seems to be prepared to take. it's a bad deal particularly the sunset provision, which allows iran to become a nuclear weapon power within ten years,
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which would really mean six years, which means the end of nuclear proliferation. saudis will try to get nuclear weapons. this is bad deal. and -- >> hold on alan. >> everybody should be listening to prime minister netenyahu and not walking out on his speech. >> okay, hilary, professor dershowitz has laid out the case for, they want nuclear weapons. at some point. so -- >> well it's a completely fact-free case. the entire u.s. intelligence community. the entire israeli intelligence community, there is no dispute among the intelligence communities. all of them say, all of them hold that the iranians have not take an decision to pursue nuclear weapons. now the problem with professor dershowitz' case which is critical the problem with his case that is absolutely critical is that he wants us to take his word for it. he wants us to take prime minister netenyahu's word for it rather than have inspectors on the ground. this is the perilous course they helped put us on with the invasion of iraq. instead of taking inspectors and
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monitors information credible information, we're suppose to take their word over the facts of our intelligence agencies. what that means is that instead of having objective information that we can all evaluate we have to take the word of one israeli prime minister over the facts and case of his own intelligence community. this is very dangerous and that's why the obama administration -- >> that's just not true. >> such a rift with israel its life-long ally. >> alan is there a rift between prime minister netenyahu and his intelligence community? >> no. one of the people running against him who is campaigning against him is the former head of the moussad. who has always been at odds with him. everybody in the israeli establishment particularly those in the know believe that iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. and that they will get nuclear weapons under this deal. don't try to pose this as the israeli intelligence against
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netenyahu. the vast majority of israeli intelligence is against this deal. they're against iran developing nuclear weapons. almost everybody except my distinguished opponent here believes that iran has already decided to develop nuclear weapons. here's my offer to you out there -- if you believe her and believe that iran has peaceful intentions and wants to develop nuclear energy for energy and medical purposes then accept the deal. but if you believe as i do and almost everybody in the intelligence community that iran is determined to get nuclear weapons, then reject this deal which has a sunset provision and will allow the greatest exporter of terrorism to become a nuclear weapon exporter of terrorism with icbms that can reach the shores of the united states. >> alan hilary thank you for the debate. obviously we will be watching what happens in congress with benjamin netenyahu next week. let's go back to chris. strong points there, alisyn thank you very much. how about this headline -- 300 christians maybe more held hostage by isis.
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so the military war against isis goes back and forth. but this much is clear -- the u.s. is losing the battle to stop the isis propaganda machine online. this comes from the fbi's top counterterrorism official michael steinbach. he says the u.s. counternarrative is effective, but the volume of isis messaging too much to overcome. >> and the nation's busiest airport doing something many thought they should have been doing for years -- atlanta's hartsfield-jackson airport now screening the bags of workers before they're allowed into secure areas. and the airport reducing the number of employee access points from 70 to just 10. this comes after a gun-smuggling operation was uncovered there run by employees who were not screened. actress lupita kneenyong'o's $150,000 pearl-studded gown from the oscars has been stolen.
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nyong'o who won an oscar in 2014 for her role in "12 years a slave" was not in the room at the time of the theft. authorities are investigating. >> it looks strangely similar to what were you talking about a couple of days ago -- the gift -- >> that i got of a white beaded pearl dress? >> luckily my eyes read it as green. soy wasn't suspicious. >> don't go there! let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with john king. >> the issue is not what color is the dress, the issue is was it purchase or borrowed i got it happy friday to you guys in new york. a busy day, with me this morning to share reporting and insight, margaret talbot of bloomberg and michael o'keefe of the "washington post." >> essentially trying to say i'm more conservative than the other guy. can you trust me. the favorite at the moment has been scott walker the wisconsin
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governor rising in the polls in iowa and other places. listen here what scott walker is saying if i was your commander-in-chief you can trust me to lead the war against isis and terror around the world. remember how i stood up to those labor unions back home. >> i want a commander-in-chief who will do everything in their power to insure that the threat from radical islamic terrorists do not wash up on american soil. we will have someone who leads and ultimately will send a message not only that we will protect mirren soil but do not, do not take this upon freedom-loving people anywhere else in the world. we need a lead wer that kind of confidence if i can take on 100,000 protesters i can do the same across the world. >> after the speech he told reporters he was not trying to draw a direct parallel with his confrontation with public employees unions back home to fighting isis. but ed didn't that teach us to draw a direct parallel? >> he did. new rule in politics you don't make nazi jokes, you don't make isis jokes, i think that's what
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happened here and his spokeswoman came out and clarified, he wasn't equating labor unions with terrorists. this is another sort of misstep as the scott walker heads the primetime show continues. it demonstrates yet again that this is a guy who has not necessarily been under the national spotlight and has to probably be a little more careful about what he's saying. >> and yet margaret we have sat for a week saying punting on the evolution question not willing to distance yourself from rudy giuliani when he says the president doesn't love america. we characterize that as missteps yet in this period do conservatives, do the people whose votes he wants to win the iowa caucuses and to move on do they view it as a misstep? >> this is an audience that wants to like scott walker and give him second chances and give him the breathing room to find his pace i don't think he damaged himself at all at cpac but it highlights the challenge for a lot of the governors, scott walker or chris christie you can't campaign in a general election for president of the
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united states unless you have national security credentials, some foreign policy experience. it's hard to get it straight from the governorship. this is an effort to try to tie his experience to something that's applicable on the world stage. and it's difficult to do as he's finding out. >> we're going to see jeb bush there later today. probably his biggest test yet. he's been raising millions of dollars across the country behind closed doors. so confront foot soldiers in the republican primaries to see how he's received is important. he has said a few times, i'm more interested in running a general election campaign than a primary election campaign. these kinds of missteps will help scott walker in iowa and other places -- whether jeb bush is willing to go there and try to win over these folks for short-term gain remains to be seen. and you know he vel very well may not. >> the question is can he get enough of the hard-core conservative base and build on to other supporters as he goes on. jeb bush will be there today, does he bring up his differences with the base on immigration, does he bring up with the folks in the room most of them disagree with him on common core
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education standards, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. i've been waiting to see will the republicans take on each other. we'll get to hillary clinton in a minute. a lot of criticism of her. >> listen to chris christie who has watched jeb bush come into his state and take away some of his big financial backers in the past. watch jeb bush outhustle him around the country. chris christie was asked, can he take on jeb bush or is jeb bush the front-runner. here's a little dig. >> if the elites in washington who make back-room deals decide hot president is going to be then he's definitely the front-runner. if the people of the united states decide to pick the next president of the united states and they want someone who looks them in the eye, connects with them and is one of them -- i'll do okay if i run. >> the elites, jeb bush is the candidate of the elites? >> i mean i didn't really expect chris christie to come out swinging that way yesterday. it was actually more direct than i think a lot of people in the room expected.
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he understood to that audience if you're chris christie you're not selling your ideology or your new jersey experience you're selling your willingness to fight and your willingness to beat up on somebody they already have questions about. that's what he was doing. and i think it also reflects some of the hostility that christie and some of the other candidates feel towards jeb, in terms of was he going to get in not get in? what was his timing. some of them feel sort of sand-bagged by him. >> ironic for a guy who hangs out in national sky boxes to talk about the elites but i think you're right. >> but obviously a lot of money is going bush's way, they've got to try to put a damper on it and maybe this will help. >> one of the tests if you're a republican who wants to be the presidential nominee and you're going into cpac a very conservative room one of the tests is to prove you're tough enough to take on hillary clinton. listen. >> i'm not ready for hillary, but what i'm ready for -- i'm
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ready for a country that puts our constitution on the top shelf. >> hillary may like hash tags but she does not know what leadership means. >> we could have had hillary here. but we couldn't find a foreign nation to foots the bill. >> a little bit of humor, a little bit of digs. that's one of the tests, these people are looking not just who is their conservative favorite but who can win. and they assume a race against hillary clinton. >> but for carly fiorina, she's a position that none of the other candidates on the stage will be or was, is that she's a woman. the most high-profile woman in the republican party, eyeing a run or some spot on the ticket. and yesterday was a good sort of test. and unveiling for her to a lot of folks who haven't seen her speak in a while and have been curious about her. >> we'll show a moment from yesterday. we're waiting to see if the department of homeland security will get funding or whether
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they'll solve the whole thing. john boehner, pressed yesterday asked will the house figure this out. what's your plan? watch this. >> going to put it on the floor, kill it? let them vote on it have you even had this discussion? >>. [ kissing sounds ] when we make decisions, i'll let you know. >> that was not an affectionate -- he was not trying to convey affection with his kissing. i'm not going to say on morning television what he was trying to convey. there's tension there, he and the senator are not getting along. are they going to figure this out today? >> no. i don't think so. the senate plan would keep the department funded and drop this immigration fight. it's a big mess white house is now successfully driven a wedge through republicans. the honeymoon is definitely over and there's going to be some real bad feelings all the way around. >> it's about dhs funding and about the republican internal debate what to did about immigration. a little funny from last snit seth myers taking a poke at the former white house press
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secretary, jay carney. he has a new job in the private sector too. he's a colleague here. >> president obama's former press secretary, jay carney will reportedly become a senior vice president at amazon. a senior vice president at amazon. carney says he's excited to work for someone who doesn't take six years to deliver. >> got to have a laugh. no drones involved. >> so it's safe. that's good. all right, thanks so much for sending us into the we'll weekend with a little funny. have a good weekend, john. be sure to watch john king and his "inside politics" panel break down the best news of the week sunday at 8:30 a.m. eastern. meanwhile, isis holding hundreds of assyrian christians captive. is this more of the same barbarism? or is this a war on christianity? we'll discuss. discover card. hey! so i'm looking at my bill and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa? julie?!
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he's out there. there's a guy out there whose making a name for himself in a sport where your name and maybe a number are what define you. somewhere in that pack is a driver that can intimidate the intimidator. a guy that can take the king 7 and make it 8. heck. maybe even 9. make no mistake about it. they're out there. i guarantee it. welcome to the nascar xfinity series. there's no question that ice sis targeting christians nearly 300 assyrian christians were abducted. 21 egyptian christians beheaded in libya earlier.
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the pope saying the blood of christians everywhere is crying out to be heard. and the evidence is real. about a decade ago, there were a million and a half christians living in iraq now. under 400,000 and they're very different situations that are going on in the entire region. so let's talk about whether or not it's a holy war, because that idea gets a lot of pushback. we have a spokesperson for the st. thomas catholic diocese in southfield michigan. do you believe this is a holy war? >> thanks for having me chris. >> without a doubt, there should be no doubt in people's mind this is a full-blown general side. we met with the white house, members of the administration ben rhodes as early as september. one week before president obama came out and talked about the azeeda azitis on the mountain.
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like you just said a holy war? this is a religious cleansing, both externally an internally. externally with christians and internally within the muslim community, this sect or fundamentalist islamist, whatever you want to call it is trying to kill other muslims, who don't believe in their version of muslim. a summer of sunnis have been killed and a number of others that are trying to protect the christians that are affected. >> your contacts on the ground in syria, what are they telling you? >> mostly on the ground in northern iraq the border of syria. it's a very dire situation, it's been a dire situation for a long time. the intentions of these animals, i don't have any other words for them is just to world domination for their version of islam. they're making their intentions known and like you said earlier, the pope has been clear on what's been going on. the only reason the coptics were
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killed. the only reason the groups have been taken out is they're christians. >> you know christians have been under fire in different parts of the world. a lot of speculation about why we don't hear more about it. even here you're right, president obama has referred to this situation as a religious minority being targeted with genocide. but there's this other perspective that people don't want isis to be perceived as being religious or islamic, right? that's the problem with the white house, what they call these people. so holy war gets push-back. it's not a holy war because they're holy people this isn't a religious war, christians are being targeted because everyone who is not isis is being targeted. do you accept that as a fair appraisal? >> absolutely not. the reason i say that is that every time isis has said it's very clear what they do. they said they're going to take the people out, they do they're going to kill the hostages they do. their intentions are clear, to go after the president and the
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white house. the fbi has been talking about how many cases they're looking at here in the u.s. if they call themselves muslim my biggest problem is we're take them as muslim. they are hijacking the religion of islam. there are a number of who have been killed for not believing in the same version of islam. but from a holy war standpoint. this they're killing people who don't believe in their version of islam. whether you're muslim and don't believe, or whether you're christians. the christians and azitis are peaceful people. the christians have lived there since st. thomas the apostle converted us you're talking about ult cultural genocide and religious genocide. i read about all the artifacts that continue to be destroyed by isis. the atrocities that continue to go on day after day after day is really heart-wrenching. >> why do you think that the religious aspect of this from the name of what you refer to as
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isis to what's being done to christians more than any other religion i guess you could say they're going after more muslims, this seems to be a specific targeting of them as christians. why do you think that's being ignored or avoided? >> i don't know why. maybe people want to be politically correct. i don't know if they want to look themselves in the mirror. we have a general side occurocide occurring in front of our eyes and we're late to the call. we've been late to the call in rwanda and other genocides in the last century. the only difference i got to say, chris, is our administration's policies here under both president bush and president obama, should be held responsible morally for this happening to the christians. you know we created a power vacuum there that made the christians the easiest targets. people don't understand in that region of the world, iraq and even syria, they're very very sem s.e.c. lar people. we had the largest population of the jewish community inside iraq -- secular people.
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now they're gone now the christians are next the numbers speak for themselves they're crying and they want the world to react and nobody is reacting. you have people who call us all the time with families being separated. women sold into slavery. kids being raped. people being beheaded. what's been going on -- >> terrible things. >> we see on social media. >> horrible. >> that we're seeing in this day and age. things that we read about 1400 years ago and this really is a horrific. >> i know that this is very close to you. and you know your ethnic background as well as your religious background. we're covering it because it does seem to be a disturbing part of the trend, we'll have you back again about it as we get more developments. thank you very much st. thomas chaldean catholic diocese, the chaldeans in significant numbers around mosul. that's why the advance on mosul happens, even more of a concern.
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we'll check back with you about that as well. thanks for being on new day. >> thanks for having me chris. people want to check us out, it's helpiraq.org. well get back to the top stories in a moment. here's another story that's gripped viewers. we're changing tunes to show you an incredible pursuit. a pair of llamas on the lam. i said it we'll explain how they got loose and how they got recaptured. involving a lasso. you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors. from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done.
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♪ ♪ ♪ epic drama, a three-hour odyssey of two llamas evading capture time and time again. you've got to watch. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: they were like the bonnie and clyde of llamas. when the law closed in there was no shootout just some fancy footwork. for a couple of hours the llamas led authorities on a wild llama chase. >> llama palooza continues. >> msnbc switched from coverage of the strategy of terror to llamas on the run. >> i'm not kidding, this is a pair of llamas that are on the loose. >> not sure what the strategy is here in trying to get these two llamas. >> reporter: just talking about it induced anchor giggles. >> we'll check in on black llama and update the status of this
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white llama. >> reporter: the two llamas reportedly mother and child, were doing therapy work at an assisted living facility when something spooked them and they took off. >> they have gotten loose and we've been out here for an hour trying to capture them. we were wondering if we could get help. >> reporter: over and over authorities tried to cut them off, but it's not easy to cut off a llama. even a golf cart was deployed. one news banner called it a low speed chase. sometimes they ran against traffic. another time they changed into the proper lane to go straight. >> we'll get to the news. we have 24 hours a day to get to the news. enjoy with us the llamas. >> at one point they were surrounded and separated. the younger black one barely escaped being grabbed and lassoed, managing to rejoin the white one. together the two gave the slip to an ever growing number of pursuers. >> i feel kind of silly talking about this because it's not something cnn typically covers.
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sort of hard to take your eyes off the screen here. >> reporter: llamas are twice as big as alpacas. didn't stop the alpaca jokes. tweeted jake tapper watchout that one on the left might be alpaca alpacan heat. >> the llamas have been captured. let's move on to an important story for our country. >> reporter: what could be more important for our country than this? the sheriff's department said the llamas were taken back to the ranch. there was no therapy. no therapy? this was therapy for the llamas. >> there he goes. wants to be free. >> reporter: and maybe for the newscasters. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> guilty pleasure. a break from isis. >> oh! >> they're loose in manhattan. >> special guest. >> the one guy has a lead on them the white llama. i could have gotten those llamas much more easily.
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>> here's why. >> how could you have done that? >> here was the mistake. they were going for the head fake. he's giving you the head this way, right? his feet are over here. so you're trying to grab him by the head. i'm just going to come back. i'm deeking you this way. the feet was over here. >> that was a cat scratch. that was not a tackle. >> you've given me a whole fresh perspective. >> you fight dirty in new jersey. >> llama invasion. >> emmy award winning performance, chris. >> i've won for less. >> thank you, chris. while the countdown to partial should down is happening, why is congress playing politics with homeland security this week with so many terrorist threats out there? senator jeanne shaheen is here with her take.
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john. >> i suspect over time he will be identified and killed. >> they are trying to reshape the map. >> changing the shape of history and culture itself. >> millions of people they start with the police. >> i think it's safe to say there was a rock. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is friday february 27th. 8:00 in the east. take a look at the clock on the screen. 16 hours and counting until homeland security starts shutting down. and the timing could not be worse. isis is on a rampage in the middle east and they are recruiting american citizens. yet congress has not found a way to fund this all-important agency. >> now the senate is poised to pass a clean dhs spending bill this morning. house republicans not yet on board. can they break the stalemate by tonight's deadline. let's bring in cnn's senior white house correspondent, jim
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acosta. what's the latest with the clock ticking? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the clock is ticking and washington is peering over the edge of the homeland security cliffs you can call it this time. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has a plan to keep it funded until september. over in the house where things are much less certain, house speaker john boehner has a plan that would only fund the department for three weeks. that is the more likely scenario at this point, but because there are these two differences up on capitol hill and because house speaker john boehner will be herding votes like cats or llamas today, the white house is portraying this as an intraparty dispute. here's what they had to say. >> republicans made an aggressive case over the course of last year about why the american people should entrust united states congress to republican leadership and here we are seven or eight weeks into their tenure and they're on the precipice of falling down on the job, particularly when -- and that's notable when we're
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talking about something as important as funding the department of homeland security. >> now one person who does not like the idea of a short-term spending bill for dhs is the secretary, jeh johnson. he sent a letter to lawmakers explaining why he says a short-term continuing resolution exacerbates the uncertainty for my work force and puts us on the brink of a shutdown. if they do extend funding for dhs they'll be back in march doing this all over again to see if they can find their way out of this. at this point nothing is guaranteed not even that this will work by the time the clock strikes midnight later on tonight, less than 16 hours to go guys. >> jim, thank you very much. we'll be keeping that clock up there. it matters. the u.s. is losing the propaganda battle. pamela brown has more for us on this. >> well chris, law enforcement officials i've been speaking with say until the isis propaganda machine that is
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feeding rapid recruitment especially under youth to shut down the isis problem in the u.s. is not going away. in fact the fbi counter terrorism chief michael stein steinbach talked about that in his testimony yesterday and how it's impossible to compete with the sheer volume of the various social media messages on all the different platforms. so the problem is clear. the solution not so much. in fact steinbach talked about the issue to me in a recent sit-down interview. here's what he said. >> groups like isil have done an effective pr campaign putting out a false narrative describing what it's like over there, and that's a narrative that's sucked up by kids here in the u.s. and other western countries. >> reporter: also on the hill yesterday the intelligence chief james clapper, he testified about the americans who have tried to join the fight in syria. he said 180 americans have gone or already returned to u.s. soil
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and he also said once the final accounting is done 2014 will have been the most lethal year for terrorism in 45 years since such data has been compiled. a very dire picture there. back to you. >> that was a stunning assessment from him and we'll talk more about that. pamela brown, thanks so much for that. canadian authorities, meanwhile, investigating the whereabouts of at least four teenagers who have traveled to turkey on their way to join isis. cnn paula newton joins us with more from ottawa. what do we know? >> reporter: alisyn at least fourteen age ger with confirmed link to isis that are trying to get to syria. the trail has grown cold in turkey. they're working with their counterparts to figure out what happened to these young people. some parents speaking out saying they may have been radicalized at a community college. an islamic preacher has been banned from teaching at that college. he'll be having a press conference this morning trying to explain exactly the
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motivations. as we just heard from pamela alisyn officials here are saying look this problem of radicalization is growing ever stronger that isis does have some momentum here and that what we're hearing from parents, alisyn, in canada, there seems to be little to no warning. they will take passports away from people trying to get overseas to join isis. the problem is the warning signs. parents are not seeing them if there are any at all. we'll continue to follow the story back to montreal. >> so troubling. big question this morning, what would drive a young middle class well-educated londoner to be isis's most prolific executioner. counter terrorism experts are trying to figure that out one day after jihadi john was unmasked. we have nic robertson in london with more. nic? >> reporter: we've been hearing from the british prime minister david cameron today, backing up hs position that he's not going to verify the name that has been
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given for jihadi john, mohammed em wawazi emwazi. they will do everything to put them out of action. he is standing by that position. how did he become to be radicalized? that's a question we're getting some indication of. court documents cycling in the media here indicate that emwazi was in a group of people that intelligence officials believe was connected with al qaeda in somalia. they were raising funds to help support that group. indeed, some of the people in that group had been to somalia. one of them killed in a u.s. drone strike early 2012. that's what appears to have put him on the radar for british authorities, but quite how he came to take that path still something of a mystery here. back to you. >> okay. nic robertson, thanks so much for that update. we want to bring in now democratic senator from new hampshire, jeanne shaheen. she is the top democrat on the
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subcommittee of homeland security. she's the perfect person to talk about this ticking countsdown that we have this morning. good morning, senator. >> good morning. >> we are less than 16 hours from dhs possibly experiencing a partial shutdown because congress can't figure out the funding. can you give us a reality check here? lots of people say, yes, this will be an inconvenience if they shut down. yes, some people won't be able to show up for work for a couple of weeks, but they're not essential workers and really national security will not be threatened. do you agree? >> i don't agree, and i would just point out that the argument here is not about the funding for the department of homeland security. that was agreed to by the house andersen nate by democrats and republicans last december. so the fight here is a partisan ideological fight about the president's order on his executive action as it applies to immigrants. so what we need to do is get a clean funding bill for the department of homeland security and we need to debate those
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issues around immigration separately. >> you believe in that and mitch mcconnell has suggested that as well. are you suggesting that national security truly will be in jeopardy if the funding doesn't happen today? because essential workers to dhs still need to show up. >> well they do need to show up but what kind of message does it send when we're asking people to show up many of them who put their lives on the line every day, and we're saying to them we don't value you enough to pay you for the job that you're doing. just this week we saw three brooklyn men arrested wanting to go over and fight with isis but saying that they would be willing to engage in a terrorist attack here at home and the department of homeland security was crucial in getting that done. earlier this week i was at home in new hampshire and one of our small communities hearing from police and firefighters and
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members of our emergency response community about their dependence on the department of homeland security and how important dhs funding and grants are to the work that they do every day. they said that funding allows them to be proactive in their planning and they took me in to look at some work they're doing on human trafficking and the difference that dhs has made as they're looking at this case getting ready to prosecute it. so make no mistake, there are very real consequences here if we don't fund the department of homeland security and for the speaker to say that what he needs is more time to try and work out a deal he acknowledged two days ago that he hadn't spoken to majority leader mcconnell in two weeks so this is not about more time to figure out how to come to agreement. >> senator, you were in a hearing yesterday with the director of national intelligence during which he gave a stark assessment of where
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we are on terrorism. listen to this. >> when the final accounting is done 2014 will have been the most lethal year for global terrorism in the 45 years such data has been compiled. >> the most lethal year for terrorism. let me put up some numbers on our screen for our viewers. there were 13,000 attacks, terrorism attacks in 2014 compared to 11,500 in 2013 and the number of fatalities went up exponentially as well. that's alarming and it feels as though the trend line is not going in the right direction. >> well it's very alarming and, again, it points to why we need to provide funding for the department of homeland security. we heard from commissioner bratton this week from new york. i heard from one of the deputy commissioners in new york a couple of weeks ago that the department of homeland security
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has been instrumental in thwarting numerous terrorist attempts since september 11th and so the idea that our response to the increased terrorist threat is to say we're not going to provide the funding that homeland security needs to do their job sends a very bad signal to those who want to attack the united states. >> senator, before i let you go we want to ask you about prime minister benjamin netanyahu's upcoming visit to congress. next week he will be addressing congress. a few dozen of your colleagues are going to be boycotting that address because it wasn't -- it didn't follow proper protocols by getting the approval from president obama. will you be going to that address? >> i do intend to go. i think it's unfortunate the way the invitation came about, but israel is our strongest ally in the middle east. it's very important, i think, for us to continue that positive relationship and i want to hear what prime minister netanyahu has to say.
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>> so you'd rather hear his message than send a message? >> well that's right. i think it's very clear that the way this was done was very heavy handed that it was not the way we normally do diplomacy. there has been tremendous bipartisan support for israel in the past. that should continue and the kinds of efforts that we've seen among some quarters to undermine that doesn't make sense. >> senator jeanne shaheen, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you. >> nice to talk to you. let's go over to chris. we have some breaking news to tell you about. very troubling situation that's developing in missouri. here are the reports so far. 9 people have been killed 4 separate locations. this is in tieyronetyrone missouri. the houston herald cites the county sheriff who says there may be even more crime scenes so multiple scenes. certainly there have been lives taken so far.
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the question is what is motivating this onslaught. we are working details. stay with us. the white house is sending national security adviser susan rice to apac. the timing could not be more important. relations between israel and the u.s. are frosty at beast. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, as we just said will address apac on monday and then a day later he will address congress about iran. two dozen democrats are planning to boycott that speech. >> you've been sounding off about the morning's most crucial debate. what color is this dress? do you see black and blue or gold and white? the dress debate tearing the internet apart overnight. people looking at this very same image seeing different colors. the colors you see means how your brain interprets light. >> for sfleel. >> yes. >> this is the blue and black dress and look at them side by side. so are you a blue and black or a white and gold? tweet us.
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>> do you still see those as the same? >> the first image we saw i saw white and gold. this imbe maj next to the blue and black i see blue and black. >> you think those look exactly the same two dresses, blue and black? >> one is darker. >> you see white and gold? >> i see periwinkle and gold. >> leave it to you, chris cuomo. i see white and gold. crazy talk. >> i see blue and black. look -- >> please tweet us. we'd love to know what you see in that picture. >> it broke the internet. it broke the internet. this is what everybody is talking about. meanwhile, harrowing video shows an unarmed man running away from police with his hands up. moments later he's killed with a hail of bullets. is there more to the story and is enough being done to investigate? we'll let you know. but do you really? [ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. can your makeup remover do that? [ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover.
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another case of cop shooting an unarmed man and it is raising questions. the story may be unique though because of how little attention it's getting. in this video the event is on video, it's recorded by a witness in pasco, michigan. an unarmed man is running away and he stopped and faced officers. we're not going to show you. they shot him 17 times. police say he was throwing rocks at them. felix vargas is a business leader and former green beret. he's been working with the family and pushing for the d.o.j. to do an investigation.
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important to note mr. vargas you are not a local elected. you are not a local official. you say you are just a local resident and a concerned citizen here. what is your concern? >> what i'm concerned, chris, is that this incident which occurred 17 days ago has shocked the conscience of this community, indeed our nation and what we're concerned about is the next steps that will be taken, that they be seen as credible. we have an ongoing police investigation of a police shooting which in our view is not credible and lacks any impartiality. >> why? >> the track record the history shows so that's the problem. >> why? why do you not have faith and confidence in the investigation, sir? that's what i'm asking. why? >> we don't have confidence in it because the police themselves have this association with the shooters of this particular incident and they're too close
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to the case chris, basically. they've not -- they've not led any conviction of officers in the past. we really need an impartial objective investigation, and that is simply not possible under the present circumstances. >> the da's office says this our office is waiting for complete reports from both pathologists before making any conclusions. our goal is to be able to present this information to the inquest jury. that's from the prosecuting attorney. again, your reaction to that. >> well that's fine. they are waiting for this. as you may know, there have been two autopsies and just this morning we've learned there's a third autopsy. in the two there are discrepancies in the number of shots fired, the impacts and the direction. the first autopsy said there were no shots from behind. the second autopsy preliminary report states that there were in fact two shots fired from behind so we need some --
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some -- some conclusions here as to what really happened on that day. the coroner's inquest will also follow after this. all that and then the determination will be made by the prosecuting attorney to determine if there are sufficient grounds to levy charges against the three officers involved. there are a lot of moving pieces here. the more eyes the more credible the investigation why the greater chance that we'll have some justice here in pasco. >> right or wrong, as you know in these situations there is a scrutiny of the victim who is involved in this shooting, in this case the mexican man that you're talking about, mr. zembrano mantes. he has a history. arrested for assaulting an officer, throwing objects at the police in that case. may have tried to grab an officer's pistol. do these facts reading into the situation make you more likely to believe the police version of
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events? >> well chris, the reality is that there has been this fascination into what mr. zambrano was up to the days and weeks before this and it's -- it's of concern to us because we see a clear effort to lay a bias against mr. zambrano so as to make it seem like he had it coming to him. we do not believe that any of these circumstances, he was a troubled young man, he had mental illness, he suffered from substance abuse. none of this as he ran away from police warranted any actions by the police of excessive force. shots against him and then in effect executing him on the streets of pasco. by the police own acknowledgment there was no knife and no gun in his hand when this happened. >> they say it was the rocks, right? >> this is not normal behavior. >> they say he was throwing big rocks and that an officer was
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hurt. when he turned they shot. you find that uncompelling? >> that is not compelling. most of the time that he was shot in that final volley he had a small pebble in his hand. none of this rises to the level of an imminent threat involving potential death or serious injury to a police officer to warrant that. and if you read the policeman ul governing practices and procedure of the police there is clear guidance. those provisions and there are four including the use of force and a use of limitations on use of force which were clearly violated by the police on that day. >> i know that you feel that the cops in the area have a tendency to go to the gun too quickly, that they're not given the proper training in dealing with people who may be mentally ill. what do you think the chance is sir, that you will get an outside review either by the feds the d.o.j. or an independent body there in the investigation at this point?
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>> well i'm confident that the department of justice is monitoring this very closely. i met with the u.s. attorney general for eastern washington two days ago. he gave us assurances that he himself in addition to the fbi is monitoring this incident. the attorney general himself -- sorry, the u.s. attorney will become engaged. we would like a formal response by eric holder. it's been 11 days since we've submitted our request. we note mr. holder's remarks about ferguson and florida. i wish he would take notice of the situation here in pasco. >> that's why we're reporting on it. we know about the protests we know about the feelings and that ethnicity is involved in the judgment. we will follow it and the developments. thank you for coming on "new day." we'll speak to you again. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn. chris, a scandal at the irs is deepening. new revelations that e-mails that supposedly vanished may
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and we are just getting breaking news into our newsroom here at cnn. this morning in missouri nine people have been killed at four separate locations in tyrone. that's about 130 miles southwest of st. louis. the houston herald is citing the county sheriff who says there may be even more crime scenes. there is no word on what is motivating this onslaught or who is behind it. we do understand in tyrone missouri however, the school district has asked officials to arrive early today for counseling services. not to suggest this is a school shooting but somehow in tyrone authorities are telling people that there will be counseling services available. so we are just getting information into our newsroom. we will go to our affiliate there as soon as they have a news conference and we'll bring you more developments as soon as we have them. >> information is coming in. the sheriff is saying it could be four maybe even five different crime scenes that involve the nine deaths reported
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so far. we don't know about others or injuries. neighbors have been calling in reports that very early in the morning, like 3:45 local time officers were on scene asking for injured inside the home. it gives a sense of the very randomness going on with this event as if they were moving along with it. another neighbor said that they too, had been told to stay indoors. we do know the state police have set up a mobile command center in the area. as we get the information, we will bring it to you. please stay with us for that. we do have another big development to tell you about this morning. the irs investigation, looking into those mysterious e-mails and how they disappeared belonging to former official lois lerner. chris freitz is developing that story for us. what do we know now? >> reporter: chris, we now know that the watchdog investigating the missing e-mails is looking into the possibility of criminal activity. the news broke late last night when the deputy inspector general testified before a congressional committee. he didn't elaborate on who might
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have broken the law or how. he reminded lawmakers that the investigation is ongoing. he cautioned them to jumping to any conclusions. the news that there is a potential criminal activity is important. remember lois lerner was the irs official at the center of a huge scandal accused of targeting conservative groups trying to get nonprofit status. when congress began investigating the scandal they said lerner's e-mails were lost and uncoverable. last year they were able to find a lot of those lost e-mails, and last night we learned that officials had found even more computer backups that might have additional e-mails on them. when i talked to house oversight committee chairman jason chafatz after the hearing, chris, he told me quote, the irs had as a lot of investigating to be. >> you're an investigative reporter. you don't have to be. when they say that you will have
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a problem going forward. please stay on that for us. we know you will. today's cnn hero recognizes a 12-year-old hero who saw a problem, thought of a solution and waited to act. lily born noticed that her grandfather was having a problem drinking from a cup. he has parkinson's. she invented something to make his life a little better. >> my grandfather has parkinson's disease that causes him to shake. he spilled all the time. so i decided to make the kangaroo cup. i came up with the idea when i was around 8 or 9 years old. i wanted to put legs on the cup because i figured that it wouldn't be as likely to spell. i have a design team and they really do help me so much. colorize? the blue? >> yes. >> lily has sold about 11,000
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well funding for the department of homeland security could expire at midnight tonight. we are 15 plus hours away from that unless congress passes a bill today that will extend the agency's budget just for three weeks. the bigger concern could be a possible shutdown allowing a terror group to gain an advantage here. let's bring in michael smerkonish who's a cnn commentator. he's host of cnn's "smerkonish." congress because they can't make a decision they push everything to the brink. we're sort of used to that now. >> i think that's true. i also think it's political malpractice. take a look at the front page of any newspaper, it's all about jihad johnny, it's about the pillaging of assyrians. the brooklyn three, the potential tleet on the mall of america and what is the gop targeting? funding for the department of homeland security. they must be crazy. >> they say, hold on we're not
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targeting anything. the president took extra constitutional actions. he is putting it on dhs because that's who will have to enact his orders. did he this not us. >> so i would say to them target commerce. target some other department. target education, but at this juncture in time to be jeopardizing the funding for the department of homeland security it's not going to play well in the country. that's my point politically. >> there's the big irony that parts of the immigration system are run by fees and a judge has already stopped the president's order already so it's really political and symbolic what they're trying to do. >> you've got to get pretty far into the weeds, i think, tounder stand what the geo perspective is. i think there will be a superficial decision that we need the help of the department of homeland security. >> is this really threatening our national security? or will essential workers continue to show up and once they figure this out even the nonessential workers will get back pay? >> i think that's the reality.
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it's a battle for perception. i would hate to think that they haven't planned for this contingency. i suspect there will be a vote it will be saved. if not, within the next three weeks it will be resolved. how embarrassing to tinker with national security in the name of partisanship which is what i think this is about. >> how embarrassing. then you have jeh johnson saying it's not nonessential we need all of them. i don't have enough as it is. don't mess with us. we don't ever know which element will make us safe. >> it's embarrassing to give them an iou. we'll say, we'll pay you later. >> agreed especially those with an important task. let's talk about what's happening next week in congress. benjamin netanyahu's visit. now 30 democrats say that they're going to be boycotting his address to congress. do you think that he should be coming? should democrats be boycotting? where are you on this? >> where i am on this position is i think it sets a dangerous
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precedent? >> boycotting or bebe coming? >> no bebe coming two weeks from an election. i would encourage people to look at this as a refr ren demerendum on obama. imagine that it's president rand paul and that it's speaker pelosi has decided to invite a foreign head of state. i don't like that precedent because on matters of foreign policy they're not following it. >> that's a strong point. the other side is of course that they say, first of all, we can invite anybody and there's a huge issue at stake here with what's going on in iran and as fellow supporters of israel, which is a very strong poll bipartisan one, this is bad policy. the president is on the wrong side and we want to give this voice. >> i am unsettled. i was unsettled when eric cantor came into his leadership
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position and had a meeting at the regency hotel as it was reported with prime minister netanyahu and gave the assurance, don't worry, we have your back. i didn't like that. this reminds me of it. they're saying we have your back against whom essentially? against the commander in chief, the president of the united states? i'm all for defending israel but you have to put american interests first. if you're contravening the commander in chief, it's a bad precedent. >> you wanted to talk about the public polling. do you want to start? >> michael's the guest? who do you sfliek. >> it's a republican poll. it's a poll of gopers. >> 70 something. >> 70 some percent who question the president's love for the country. what i would say is these are the folks that are gathered at cpac. these are the folks who control the primary and the caucus process. i don't think they speak for all-americans, but this is what will shape the gop nomination.
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>> they also have in the poll that over half of those polled among the republicans say that christianity should be our national religion and a very small number disagreed with that notion in a separate question. it's very interesting. even though that is a direct contravention of the constitution and what we're supposed to be about, it shows that as we're fighting religious extremists -- >> right, let's be like them. let's establish our own caliphate. >> it's a reaction to them. want be to go about christianity because it's under threat and imperilled around the world. >> i like chris's analogy. the proponents of this i'm sure would be thumping their chests and embracing the constitution of the united states. >> the word god is not in the u.s. constitution and there must be a reason for that. >> freedom of religion freedom from religion. that's what it guarantees. >> michael, great to see you. >> you as well. >> check out "smerconish" on
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cnn big into the ambitious projects and they have another one, "finding jesus." an in depth look finding the artifacts around his life and death. it's his alleged burial cloth. the shroud of turrine. let's bring in the co-authors of the book "finding jesus faith, fact forgery" produced in conjunction with the series. of course the big question was there a jesus? >> oh, yes, absolutely there was a jesus. it's fashionable to say he might not have existed and it was an invention, but i think the one thing for sure is that he existed. our quest was to figure out what he left behind. >> why for sure? give me the confidence boost.
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>> because they know there are contemporary references outside the gospels of historians of the day who talk about this jesus and mainly about the followers who left behind this church that grew up from nothing. again, this guy, you know he was crucified. he was supposed to be the messiah who was going to become the king of israel that was going to lead the people. he was crucified as a common criminal and yet this amazing community grew out of this -- you know we've got this guy who died a death that nobody expected. >> right. so one of the things that you explore is the shroud of turrin? what is it? >> in and of itself it's a burial shroud from the first century. what we've disz covered is the more science you bring to it the more mysterious it gets. >> mysterious meaning you don't think it is real or if it is real is it connected to him? >> the more science you can't disprove it. in other words, science hasn't
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yet said it's a forgery. they've tried. >> they've sampled the fibers and the material on the fibers. >> yes. >> what they have found? >> they did it in the 1980s. they took a sampling from the edges. three independent labs checked it out and said it was from the middle ages. the sample they took from the edges had been handled by all kinds of grimy middle-aged hands. could be a polluted sample. subsequently theories have cast out on that. the only for sure way is to take a sample from the middle so we have to look at other ways because that's not going to happen. >> how did that image get on there. even if it's only 1,000 years old, how did it get on there? if it was 2,000 years old, is that the face, the image of jesus? nobody's explained these things adequately. we delve into this. >> 2,000 years on why is this so fascinating? even people who don't believe in jesus christ and the church that grew up behind him, people are fascinated by jesus, what he
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looked like and any kind of tangible evidence around him. >> well, i think, you know, when you look back at what he was trying to do he was a rabbi. he was going to shake up judaism. the central character of that religion is still fascinating to us because we want to understand the man behind the message. >> for believers it may be more compelling because, yes, you believe, but wouldn't it be great to have proof? i know that's not what faith. >> believe me i know i know. i hear a new voice from above telling me the same thing, but the counter evidence you also have the sudarium of oviedo. what does that do and what does that do in terms of throwing a wrench in the mix? >> actually the gospel of john tells us two cloths were found in the tomb. was was the burial shroud and one was the face cloth wrapped around the head after he died.
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that winds up in spain. tests have been done on it to show not only do the stains show the blood type. >> could that be dna of jesus christ. >> ab. what are you? >> a plus. what are you? >> i'm d minus. >> he walked into that. but so it's dna. dna, all of the progress we've made in dna is it going to crack the code? >> no the dna you haven't been able to extract. there are still some doubts. you have the blood type match, it's not a slam dunk. there are always these -- i don't want to give too much away about the show but there are always these kinds of doubts that, again, despite our advances in technology and science, there are always some lingering doubts. again, even if we prove that this is 2,000 years old, it's the image of a crucified man, is it jesus? >> right. such good stuff. david gibson michael mckinlly, we'll be watching the program. >> we don't usually let people
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come on here and ask them a question and you answer a question. the premiere episode of "finding jesus" this sunday on cnn. here's a lilt bit of it right now. here's the promo. >> an unprecedented cnn event. he didn't vanish without leaving a trace. >> for the first time in history we're able to place these relics. >> and grasp something that changed the world. >> this is really the moment of truth. >> this is the story of jesus. >> the rock upon which the church was built. >> an icon of scientific obsession. >> his extraordinary archaeological piece. >> what do we really have here? >> why did judas decide to betray jesus?
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♪ slip sliding away ♪ just talking about exactly this here on the couch because it's such a good story. certainly the "good stuff." the hero of reservoir road. the ice storm turned it into everything from a frustration. enter wayne shaw. lived along reservoir road for 11 years. knows the drill. spent an entire day helping those who don't know the drill. >> i've only given rides to three people. driven four cars up the hill. gotten three out of the street so they don't get hit by the other cars coming through and various assistance to probably another dozen. >> that's right. he knows how bad it is so he took it upon himself to help people. threw chains on the truck, got busy all day. he said it wasn't completely selfless. >> i was raised out in the country, help your neighbors out, and that night on about 15
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cars piled up in my driveway too, so -- >> he didn't want the cars piled up either. we have one more bit of "good stuff." our audio engineer simon boun and his wife had a baby boy, 7 pounds 3 ounces. congratulations to them. >> congratulations. get back to work. get to the newsroom with carol costello. >> thanks, you too. "newsroom" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we start with breaking news out of rural missouri. nine people have reportedly been shot to death in the south central part of that state in and around the community called tyrone. that's accords to the local paper, "the houston herald." the sheriff says there are four separate crime scenes but there may be more. alexander field is gathering information on this

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