i'm michael smerconish. thank you for joining us. crisis averted for at least one more week. or is it? after a nail biting showdown on capitol hill last night the house and senate agreed on a bill to fund the department of homeland security but only for seven days. it's gridlock in action a dysfunctional display but keeps hundreds of screeners, border agents and others who keep us safe on the job and paid for a few more days. dhs funding has been held hostage because of a group of conservatives want to add a provision to the funding bill that stops president obama's executive action on immigration.

democrats and some republicans have pleaded with them to give it up. the fight goes on. with me now is exactly the person i want to talk to about all of this the nation's first ever secretary of homeland security tom ridge. governor i know that you, too, disagree with what the president is doing via executive action on immigration. but is this the way to go about opposing his plan? >> michael, the cocoa phony in the beltway the past couple weeks reminds me of an expression we heard when we were kids two wrongs do not make a right. the president is wrong i think he has exceeded his constitutional authority, i think my republican friends are wrong in holding the department hostage, these men and women go out daily to try to make us more secure and safer and i withholding their paychecks to accepted a message to the president is wrong. i'm hopeful at the end of the day my colleagues in the house

will embrace a full bill full funding for the balance of the year and then engage the president one on one, executive legislative, do it the old-fashioned way. send it to legislate gags get at this immigration problem and the way we have build compromises that are very much the art of politics and governing. >> you won a couple elections yourself. the political optics of this are horrible for the gop because to me at least it seems they are saying well we oppose the president's amnesty so what are we going to do cut border patrol agents. >> is i think -- the perspective is something i'm afraid some of my friends on the hill my republican colleagues look you and i both know that 300 plus americans outside the beltway have a lot of things on their mind. they want to keep their job, save a few bucks to take the family to dinner, bills to pay. the only thing they are really focused on after the 2014

election is the republicans won the house, and the republicans won the senate so debates over rules, that's all the inside the beltway stuff. if we can't get this done and demonstrate that we are capable and confident in our own ability to govern the ultimate damage is to our reputation. remember action we promised we weren't going to shut down the government and we're flirting with it now and that does not play well outside the beltway. >> you know cnn is reporting that speaker boehner may face a coup that there are a number of conservatives in the house, part of that very conservative caucus that he can't contain, who are calling for his ouster and there could be a move in that regard. what should happen relative to the leadership in the house? >> first of all, i think at the end of the day this band of conservatives nipping at john boehner's heels are just flat wrong. this is one of the toughest most challenging positions in our political system in our system

of governance. he is trying to lead them. he takes a much longer view not only in terms of dealing with immigration but a longer term view over the responsibility of the republican party in control of both chambers of congress to govern. and i think it would be folly on their part to undermine his efforts to try to bring them together to fund dhs and get on with the bills of legislating, get on with the business of dealing with this issue as we've done historically send the president legislation. by the way the president is obviously unable and unwilling to lead newt gingrich and bill clinton worked out a compromise on welfare. remember papa bush 41 worked on foreign policy issues the americans with disabilities act, ronald reagan and tip o'neill solved problems. we don't have a president that wants to engage the congress, wants to be part of that.

i want my republican party, don't worry about john boehner. let's start addressing some of these problems the old fashioned way, good legislation, let him explain to americans why the republicans had a good idea but it wasn't good enough for me. >> i'm glad that you're focused at both ends of pennsylvania avenue because it does occur to me the president has been awol for the last several days as this has played itself out. what could he have done what should he have done, trying to get together the leadership of the house to put this aside? >> i think michael, again, he's unrespectful of the office of the president. he is my president, even though obviously i didn't vote for him. but i think from day one he's pretty much demonstrated his point of view when he told eric cantor and john boehner after the 2008 election hey, i won, what the president has forgotten maybe would have been helpful, he represents the people that voted for him, the people that voted for his opponents and frankly the people that didn't vote. you put those three together

they say there are real problems here. we need coalitions and bipartisan work on foreign policy to defeat isil on health care immigration, and what the president has failed to do not just last several days but i think for the past six plus years is engage understand it's governing is tough. compromises are difficult. there is a give and take to the process, and i don't think whether he thinks he is above or beyond it which is disappointing he is in the middle of it. it's one thing to have the title of president, the job is tough. and that means you got to mix it up engage. unfortunately he failed to do that in most of these critical issues over the past several years. >> governor stay with us, on the threat of isis here this week we saw americans arrested trying to board planes to join isis extremists threatened the mall of america in min. i want to bring in former u.s. delta force commander lieutenant colonel james reese. isis they are savages but they are savvy. might they seek to exploit this

political dysfunction taking place in the united states? >> michael, good were mooing. do i think they will try to yes. do they have the ability right now, no. they don't have the reach right now. they would like to get it. but this exploit or this friction point within our government right now could cause an aspect of where a lone wolf could have an effect on this because right now as the governor said we've got unfortunately our great people of dhs we're supposed to do their jobs trying to figure out what bills are going to pay at the end of the week when they are cut off of money if we don't pass this. >> to pay attention to the newspapers this past week in the united states is to perceive that isis is on the ascent. i'm referring to that alleged threat against the mall of america. i'm referring to the outing of the identity of jihadi johnny. referring to the three from brooklyn the incident in canada as well. is that a proper perspective that indeed things are picking up a pace for isis? >> i'm not sure i'd say that. i think what you see right now

is isil is having degradation done to them in syria and iraq theater of war. isis has several theaters of war but it also shows that they are continuing to try to recruit, bring people in and what i find interesting about the three men picked up in new york is they are from the uzbekistan background. there is the islamic movement. bad dudes and especially guys part of al qaeda early on. so it shows isis reaching out and grabbing these other elements to bring them under their wing. >> governor ridge, there has been a debate playing out since a cover story in the atlantic began a week ago talking about whether there vale a religious motivation on the part of isis. i'm sure you're familiar with it. i'd love to get your reaction to that issue. >> an extraordinary job identifying the root motivation the ideology around isil.

basically combining the notion that mohammed might have been a prophet but also a general in means of destruction involving crucifixion, beheading, the kind of activity we see isil engaged in now. i think at the end of the day we need to accept the fact that this is a permanent scourge, that they are not going away for a long time. and one of the fascinating things is the threats to the malls that existed since i started looking at threat streams many years ago. but the fact they are able to elevate it through social media and through the replay of the videos on tv in large measure helps them to advance their cause of creating a level of anxiety directed toward critical pieces of our infrastructure and potential destruction. we're in this for the long haul and again, this is what we talked about the president's leadership. i think the colonel would say this is not a jv team. i think as i've been reading some reports, if you take a look

at and listen to read that article you know they are in for the long haul. we have to deal with it. they are not jvs, they are sophisticated. we better never got back into that body count notion that we're winning because we're killing more of them than they are of us. you and i have watches, they have time. and if it takes them a decade or two decades to achieve their goal and that's the caliphate, that's absolute control, and the fight against infidels it's a religious war but sunni, muslim christian, jew, if you don't subscribe to their radical interpretation you are an infidel. if you don't believe in their practices, you are the infidel and you are potentially subject to the horror associated with how they deal with you. >> colonel, take my final 30 seconds and recounty to what the governor the secretary said. >> i do agree with the governor on a couple points. the mall pieces we've watched

for years. in the service and now we see these and these other threats they want to try to go against our critical infrastructure. i will tell you we have to also remember that isis whatever you call them they are killing more muslims than they are killing westerners. i mean it's tragic. and as i talk to my folks throughout jordan and iraq and i see it i mean they hate these people. and they do not subscribe to islam, whether you are agree with it or not, there is a point of humanity where they are just killing muslims left and right over there. and how they are bringing these people in you know really from a younger aspect, just because it's excitement and it's the call of duty type of game on the television show. once they get out there it's really not. so some bad people. i agree it's going to take several years and jihadi john is on the hit list and he will go down.

>> thank you both. colonel james reese, we thank you both. company's coming not everybody is rolling out the welcome mat on tuesday israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will speak to congress. professor dershowitz and jeremy benami whether the visit is in the united states and israel's best interest. who are the real presidential contenders and who are just the pretenders? those are the stakes a it the big conservative gathering, c pac going on now in washington. i'll speak to the only gop woman who is eyeing the job, former ceo carlie fee or reiny joins me. plus when he talks about family he's not talking about your average family. john gotti jr. joins me for an exclusive interview he says to set the record straight about life in the mob. for some every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members

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most notorious mobster in america. the ruthless god father of the gambino crime syndicate, the most powerful mob family in the nation. gotti's son not only shared his father's name but allegedly carried on as mob boss. who beat the wrap so many times he was known as the teflon don. i have a rare opportunity to get a look at the fascinating world of the mafia. in an interview with john gotti jr. says he is out of the life a different man than his father. in his new book a tell-all shadow of my father gotti tells the story of life in a mobster family. john gotti jr. joins me now. let me tell you what comes clear from reading the book. you continue to idolize your father. at some level do you blame him, hold him accountable -- >> no. >> let me finish. the fact you went down that road

for a significant portion of your life. >> well from a father's perspective and you being a father yourself you would say well how could you? how could you? i sort of feel the way my father may feel. my son does mma fighting. something i don't want him to do. i -- it's a strain on my heart to watch him. yet my father looking at me i guess felt that i wanted this really more than he wanted it for me. i wanted to be in that world. and i guess he said that look this is what he wants, i believe in this life wholeheartedly. i think it's no different than h.w. bush bringing his son to politics. he believed. he believed he was a card carrying member believed in the political world, believed that he could make a change in politics. while my dad believed he was a card carrying who had lum. he believed in the streets, in the policy of the streets. he thought this is the way it should be.

we're right, they are wrong. that being said why not. >> everything i know about the mob i learned from watching movies and reading your book. you correct me. i thought guys couldn't get out. how did you get out? >> in actuality you could do anything you want to do. okay. now, you make a decision in your life and you could say it's no longer for me and i want to move on. >> they let you go or only if you are john gotti jr. >> look that's my prerogative. to say okay i'm done. their prerogative is a accept it or b, act on it. now, at the time in 2006 of my trial, when all of this noise was being made about that two years -- that i walked away and that now it's being profiled more and more at the trial, there was a death threat. a death threat conspiracy to kill me as a result of my leaving the life which you can't leave the life. in my case in actuality i could have left the life balls my father's power is absolute.

and -- >> you are john gotti's son so you can leave the life. maybe somebody else couldn't. let me ask you something else. i don't understand this. it seems that most of the guys end up dead or in jail. so why is it so intoxicating for street guys to nonetheless pursue the life? do they all think well that's them but it's not going to happen to me? >> i'll tell you from my viewpoint. from my viewpoint, being a i round my father it was intoxicating. when he walked into a room he owned everything in that room. i just would look at him in awe. i was star struck. even in the house i was star struck. he was always erect, always proper. he always had his hair right. he said the right things. >> the suits, 2,000 a pop. >> outside of the home yes. not in the home. he always comported himself like i believed the man should comport themselves. he was a tough guy, a tough

guy's tough guy. and he had -- his ethics i liked. i liked the things he stood for. he would say john you don't do this. you don't do drugs, you don't do that. if i cursed in front of my mother hey pal, something wrong with you? he'd shoot me a look. he did everything right. now, don't get me wrong, when he was hanging around the boys he had a volcanic temper. i'm sure you could hear him on tape choice words that was the other john. the john that i seen in the house was really he was to me perfect. beautiful. >> true or false. you got to kill somebody to get made yourself. >> nonsense. hog wash. >> true or false, when you're made you got to burn a picture of a saint. you write about this in your book. in your hand at some private ceremony. >> right. that's true. >> your father called your mother butch? as in butch cassidy and the sun dance kid? >> absolutely. >> how did she feel about you going into the life? >> she never knew.

he denied denied denied. he denied you know. i guess he had his reason because my house, as in my home my father's home as well that was not her business. however, i am her baby just like my sons are my wife's babies. he always denied it to her and said you don't know what you're talking about. one time in the post there was a picture of me on the cover and a bull's eye on me i was about to be killed. i guess they leaked out that this conspiracy to kill me. my mother she would never go see my dad without me. i come home i race to the house actually to get her, hope she didn't read the post. and she's gone. i ask my boss where's mommy. i don't know. didn't see her. or my sister. where is your mother? i find out she's in marion illinois. she goes to kennedy airport, jumps on a plane. to confront him. how could do you this to my son. i buried a son already.

my son frankie died in my arps in the street. how could you do this to me. how could you do this to me. >> i know it's painful. i want to ask you about frankie. you were 16 he was 12. >> right. >> he is on a mini bike. a neighbor hits him. he's gone. your brother. and soon thereafter the neighbor disappears. presumably your father killed him. or had him killed. >> i couldn't answer that because way before me and look, as i had answered in the book, i said in the book if the you knew my father he's not letting you hurt somebody close to him without hurting you. >> doesn't that vie late this zmod i thought civilians never got caught up in this. if it were inadvertent, an accident as hard as it would have been to forgive, why didn't that take place? >> maybe it was something -- again, if my father did do this it's something that again, a piece of his heart was cut out. nobody heard the tears. my father soldiered up.

my father says now is a time for crying. don't cry again. that was his expectation of me. i couldn't deal with it like my father. >> you heard him crying. >> i wasn't half as strong. i couldn't deal with it the way my father did. that was at the end of it. however, i would hear him through the vent crying in his den. >> your vent. >> my room was attached to his den. so right there. inches apart. i would hear my father. so but at that point he would say hi expectation is you solder on and moven. that being said knowing the kind of man my father was, he loved you, he loved you to a fault. if someone hurt you they had a problem. >> we're going to continue this conversation after a quick break. i want to show a clip of john gotti jr. visiting his late father in prison and telling him he wants out of the mob. the real life showdown between a father and son.

welcome back. continuing with my exclusive interview with gone gotti jr., the fight that he waged with his father the dapper don. john gotti jr. says he reached a point he wanted out. that's not so easy when dad runs america's most powerful mob syndicate. look at this fascinating video seldom seen of the last discussion between father and son.

>> john wants closure. i said joseph that word is not in my vocabulary. that is over educated underintelligent. >> john tell me about that. what's going on? >> that was the final visit between my father and i. that was the visit i was telling you about that the judge allowed me the first time i touched my father in probably 7 1/2 years. >> no glass. everybody knows it's the final visit. >> first time in 7 1/2 years, no glass. the beginning you don't see what's off camera is emotional. he is telling me basically don't give them the satisfaction. i began to cry. and he is saying don't give them satisfaction. because he is a tough guy to the end, my father. and at that meeting you hear saying closure. i sent him a messable. i'm looking for closure. i want to take my time go to jail, and i want to be there for my kids. >> and i want to get out of the life. >> that's closure. you got to walk away completely.

>> didn't want to hear that. >> he is having a hard time because it's like being a quitter. to him it's like you know again, man chooses a path doesn't matter some point you feel it's the wrong choice a man's to be a man has to follow that path to the end. >> the part i have seeing how many guys end up dead or in jail you know why a father doesn't say yeah get the closure, leave this life. that i don't understand. >> i guess he was too much a man. i guess that he -- you know as i had written in the book and i believe this as much as he loved us i think it was second to the life. i think he loved -- >> you think his family was second to that family. >> yes. >> to the gambino family. >> he loved us differently but his whole life was about the streets. his whole life was about that chase, the streets. i believe you know he just -- it was so in him that there is no way he was going to change.

>> do you work today? >> yes. >> what do you do? >> i write. a book screen plays, the movie. >> is that what puts food on the table? is it buried somewhere? >> no. believe me. do the math. they tried to in trial three make it a money case and blew up this and said follow the money. i told them let me know when you're done because you're 0 going to see there is no more money. every case it cost you significant amount of money. >> how was your mother in accepting the family was second to the life? >> i don't think he quite put it like that to her. >> she had to have known. >> she knew what she married. my mother knew what my father was. he was a rough and tumble guy from the moment she met him. she was 17. they were kids together. they lived together very young. from the time they met they were together. and you know what she knew. i would tell she would complain about my father and argue and fight. i said ma is this something new? i mean you're telling me so at

some point he changed? no. so he's always been this way, right. >> friday and saturday nights he's home. he comes home with you. sunday he has dinner on the table with all of us on sunday. the rest of the week you don't see the guy. your whole life has been like that. he rolls in at 4, 5:00 in the morning and rolls out at 11:00 and gone. you don't see him again. you see him in the morning. butch, get my vitamins. get this get that. that's it. bring your socks out, puts his socks on, jump in the car and drive to the club and had someone had his clothes laid out waiting for him. that was it. the barber to do his hair. you saw him at 4 5 in the morning. >> you told how he gets out of jail the car pulls up you're a young boy, he acknowledges you and he has to ask you a question. wham does he want to know? >> he never seen the house. we lived in tlefrn 11 a street imbrooklyn. from there my father went to prison and we moved to canarsie. now my mother told him where the

house was. i would tell the kids in the block i have no father as far as they were concerned. i would say you know my dad's doing construction he used to tell us that he was building the wall. we'd walk in, they were all in the room. like reunion time. yeah yeah. me and uncle frankie and uncle angelo building a wall. one more and i'm coming home. i would tell everybody he's doing construction. almost done. and everybody in the block began to doubt. he doesn't have a father she is a single parent. >> until the car pulled up. >> it was a march, we had snow on the ground and on the block playing with the kids. and this beautiful black -- sorry charcoal brown lincoln pulls down the block. light tint on the windows. it stops, slows by me and the window rolls down. he goes hey dad, used to call me dad, i said there's my father. everybody is in shock. he says where's the house?

i pointed to the one with the green awning. i see it. and the car pulls away. everybody began to come out of their houses and in canarsie you had about 13 steps and i guess the top, the porch up on the top. they were all standing on their porches and the car pulls into the driveway and he gets out. >> walks in there. >> beautiful. he is tony curtis with muscles. beautiful. his hair jet black, he's got chocolate brown overcoat on suit, and matches the car and he looks amazing. he grabs me by the back come on go in the house. we walked in. that was his first time seeing that house. >> john gotti jr., thank you. appreciate very much. >> thanks for having me. fascinating stuff. i've got to take a break. coming up the war within american jews sharply divided over the visit of israeli president benjamin netanyahu this week and from secretary to

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welcome back. the relationship between the united states and israel has never been this tense. with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu just days away from making a controversial speak to congress tensions at a boiling point. among american jews there is a

war within. jay street bills itself as the political home of the pro israel pro peace movement. this week jay street ran an ad against the speech by netanyahu saying his speech was a prop for his election campaign in israel. netanyahu has accused the white house and other world powers of rolling over allowing iran to develop a nuclear bomb. and more conservative jewish groups stand firmly behind netanyahu. let's dig into this with both sides, the president of jay street, jeremy benami and attorney alan dershowitz friends with netanyahu will be meeting with him this week and will attend the speech. jeremy let me begin with you. the ad says he is using it as a prop for his campaign at home. about it the response from prin minister netanyahu is to say wait congress has an important role to play in this issue and i'm coming to influence the congress. what's wrong with that? >> well i think one of the things he could have done is

delayed the speech until after his election. that's what you call for in our campaign over the last few week if the interest at stake here is a seriousings discussion of iran policy there are ways to do that in a closed door setting, there's ways to do it through back channels after the election. this kind of appearance has been used in the past by the prime minister as a campaign ad and that's where you inject the partisan agenda. >> professor, why not delay the speech for a month? >> because the deal might very well have been struck by then. we're told by john kerry it's too early to criticize the deal but once the deal is made we'll be told it's too late. look at the big picture. the most important foreign policy decision of this century, giving iran which is the greatest exporter of terrorism nuclear weapons to put on their icbm's will become a game changer. liberal senators like menendez

and others oppose this. david brooks of "the new york times" opposes this. henry kissinger, "the washington post" editorial page so many well regarded liberals and kndss think this is a bad deal peculiarly the sunset provision. let's give a chance to make his case congress has equal power in foreign policy to the president, the speaker of the house was entirely within his power to invite him. let everybody come and listen. i would like to ask jeremy whether he supports the boycott of israel by some liberal democrats or whether he would join me in urging everybody to come listen to the speech then make up your mind to see whether or not this was good or bad for the united states and for israel. what do you think? >> go ahead, jeremy. >> i think the issue isn't giving iran nuclear weapon allen. i think that we can agree and i think president obama agrees with all leaders of the p-5 plus

one that the goal of this enterprise is to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. and the question isn't whether or not the president or in some way through this deal other countries are trying to help iran get a nuclear weapon it's whether this is the best way to prevent it. if there is no deal then iran will proceed unimpeded toward a nuclear weapon. if there is a deal then we've got at least 10 to 15 years of very strict intrusive inspections, real limits, sanctions that remain in place and are gradually reduced. this is the best way to achieve our shared goal of having no nuclear weapons for iran. >> profess e i'll give you the floor back. i do want to ask the question though of jeremy professor dershowitz' point should democrats because they are the ones in opposition to this stay away from the speech or do you agree with the professor, jeremy everyone should attend? >> it's an individual decision for members of congress to make. that's not the issue. the issue is whether or not this

speech has set back israel's national interest. has this speech done damage the way it was concocted to the u.s./israel relationship. that's what the former director said in intensely detailed interview saying that nobody's done more damage to the u.s. israel strategic relationship than prime minister netanyahu. with the white house and that's the problem with this speech. >> professor, when susan rice ambassador rice is using words like destructive to discuss the u.s./israeli relationship would you concede significant damage has been done or do you believe it's repairable? >> i think it's repairable. and i think we won't know until we hear the speech. the speech is going to be critical. if it persuades members of congress to serve their constitutional function of checking and balancing a very bad deal and you know it's debatable this deal as i said many, many good people liberal democrats, don't agree with

benami and in five or six years the provisions will kick in and iran will be guaranteed a nuclear weapon. if that's the case let's see if prime minister netanyahu can persuade congress. if he can then it will be good for the relationship. people forget that congress has as much power over foreign policy as the president does under the constitution. and must serve as a check and balance. and we will see whether or not congress is persuaded that jeremy is right and this is the best way, or whether increased sanctions, nobody wants to put the military action on the table except as a last resort. but increasing sanctions than giving them a sunset provision which will send a green light, not only to iran but to saudi arabia the emirates and all of which will start getting into an arms race. let's have this debate in front of congress. everybody, come and listen to the prime minister then make up your mind.

but don't boycott an american ally. a boycott is for people that you walk out on bigots but you come and listen to allies even if the you disagree with the way in which this was set up. reasonable people can have disagreement. but come and listen make up your mind. based on the facts and based on the arguments you hear on both sides. >> jeremy do we know enough about the deal to be taking such positions at this juncture? >> well i think the broad outlines are becoming very clear, the broad outlines iran is going to have the ability to enrich to a certain ek tent that is appropriate for civilian purposes only there will be the most intense and intrusive inspection regime that has ever been imposed on any regime. and there will be a gradual loosening of the sanctions in return for actual compliance with the terms of the agreement. that's the broad outlines of the agreement. and turns out that 84% of jewish americans support a deal like that that helps to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. and there are just as many republican experts and foreign

policy professionals and editorial boards who support that approach to dealing with the iranian threat as oppose it. i agree there is a policy debate to be had. but the question here is whether or not the prime minister his ambassador and the speaker of the house injected partisan politics in an inappropriate way in the relationship in a way that damages that relationship for the long run. >> i think this was productive and i appreciate you for having been here to have it. thank you. thank you. >> coming up she is positioning hertz as the anti-hillary clinton among a pack of big name perspective gop contenders making no a308 geepologies for it. >> i will say this. if hillary clinton had to face me on a debate stage at the very least she would have a hitch in her swing. . so how are we going to sweeten this deal? floor mats...

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welcome back. as the 2016 presidential election draws near and the gop field takes shape, there's a lone female emerging which struggled over lack of diversity. carly fiorina the former ceo, had a prime speaking spot at the conference known as cpac which can catapult a contender to political superstardom. she waste in order time going after another, the presumed

democratic front-runner. >> unlike mrs. clinton, i know that flying is an activity not an accomplishment. i have met -- i have met vladamir putin and i know that his am beneficiary will not be deterred by a gimmicky red reset button. mrs. clinton, please name an accomplishment. >> carly fiorina joins me now. we'll come back to cpac. allow meto ask you about some headlines. the house republicans narrowly averted stopping the funding of dhs. is this the right way to oppose president obama on immigration? >> well i think honestly this has been a huge failure of lead everiship on both sides. this has been going on for months now. president obama for his part knew how republicans would react to his executive overreach.

he could have invited leadership to the white house to talk through a solution. of course he chose not to. on the other hand gop leadership knew as well this was coming for many months. was coming for many many months. and to your point, we cannot defund the department of homeland security at a time when americans are rightly concerned about our security. >> some house republicans, the more conservative elements are calling for the ouster of john boehner as speaker. are you supportive of spoker boehner continuing in that role? >> well, look i'm not in the house or in the senate. and so that's a decision for congressional members to take on their own. >> this week israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu comes to speak to congress. do you worry about the president that might set? could there be a day in the future where president fiorina is going to be countered by a democratically controlled house and say we're going to bring someone here without consoling

you? >> you know i listened to your previous segment on this issue, and i believe the reason that prime minister netanyahu is coming here is because he has tried to talk behind closed doors to the president. he has tried to say to him that this deal that the president seems determined to reach is a danger not only to the region but to the world. i remember sitting in prime minister netanyahu's office five years ago, and what he wanted to talk about then was iran. i believe he's coming here because he needs the american people and congress to understand the dangerous path this president is on. i believe he is in fact trying to put pressure on the situation so that we can avert a terrible deal. and so that congress steps up and does its job bypassing bills for punishing sanctions and by playing the role they rightfully need to play. this deal is headed in a bad direction. and i think prime minister

netanyahu has been consistent for at least five years on his views about such a deal. >> a question of similarymantics if i might. here you are contemplating a run for the presidency. what's the word choice for which carly fiorina is comfortable and why? >> well, i think we have to acknowledge what the islamic state wants us to acknowledge. they are very clear that their goal is to return the world to a middle age state. they are very clear that a radical interpretation of islam is at the heart of their political philosophy. they are very clear that they are perhaps misinterpreting this

and are willing to destroy priceless works of art in order to return the world to the middle ages. if we are not prepared to speak the truth about who they are and they speak the truth about who they are, then how can we possibly defeat them? >> on a subject of isis scott walker potential opponent of yours, said something interesting at cpac this week. i want to roll the tape. i think you'll at least be able to listen to it. play it. >> i want a commander in chief who will do everything in their power to ensure the threat from radical islamic terrorists do not wash up on american soil. we'll have someone who leads and ultimately will send a message not only that we'll protect american soil but do not, do not take this upon freedom loving people anywhere else in the world. we need a leader with that kind of confidence. i can take on 100,000 protesters, i can do the same across the world. >> would you agree that was a blunder on his part to make a compareson between isis and union protesters in wisconsin?

>> i don't think it was an appropriate compareson. i think he was trying to demonstrate he has fight and clearly has a lot of that but isis is a unique threat in the world. we need to treat it as a unique threat in the world. their willingness to use whatever means are available to them to make their point and to win. and we have to have equal resolve and a clear eye understanding of who they are and what their goals are. >> another potential opponent of carly fiorina is jeb bush. he came to cpac yesterday with interesting words on immigration. allow me to play that for you. >> the simple fact is there is no plan to deport 11 million people. we should give them a path to legal status where they work where they don't receive government benefits where they don't break the law, where they learn english, and where they make a contribution to our society.

that's what we need to be focused on. >> is he right? >> well, i think what we need to be focused on right now is securing the border. it is the first and most important step. we obviously can and we obviously have not. we need to start there because the problem just keeps getting worse when we don't. we need to start there because isis has figured out we have a porous border just as the chinese already have. we are being very naive if we don't believe that the state of our border is an invitation for trouble. and finally, we need to secure the border first because unless we do that people don't have any confidence in government's willingness or ability to do what it says it's going to do. and that lack of confidence and trust becomes corrosive to our ability to do bigger things. >> we have just 30 seconds left between us is your gender an advantage in a race against hillary clinton because you could criticize her in a way that men couldn't? and no one could call you

sexist? >> well, i'm not running because i'm a woman. i've never been a token in my life. but the facts are, i am a woman. and the facts also are that 53% of voters are women and more than half the nation more the majority in other words. and it's completely reasonable to ask people to focus on results and accomplishments. i come from a world where results and accomplishments are what counts. i think the american people are frustrated with professional politicians because results and accomplishments somehow don't count enough. and so i'm going to continue to call on whoever the nominee is to say, what have you done for the american people? talk is cheap and actions matter. >> carly fiiorina, thank you for joining us from cpac. we'll be right back. i think i know what it is. 44 highway miles per gallon. the volkswagen passat tdi clean diesel

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