bash in washington. fareed zakaria "gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. coming to you today from the ancient citadel high atop ammon, jordan. the centerpiece of the show will be an exclusive interview with the king of jordan his majesty abdullah ii. his first interview since isis released gruesome video documenting the murder of one of his nation's heroes an air

force pilot. what was his reaction as a king? >> the gloves have come off. >> as a father. >> disgust, sadness to the family. >> how far will his nation go in response to try to defeat isis? >> this is our war. >> then from next door the man who could upset israeli politics. a poll this week has the party dead even with the party of the current prime minister benjamin netanyahu. elections are just 16 days away. what does herzog think of mr. netanyahu going to washington in i'll ask him. but first here is my take. washington is getting enthusiastic about idea yonlg cal warfare these days. not democrats versus republicans

but rather americans versus islamists. having spent the last two weeks insisting we label jihadi terrorist islamic, many cry we must fight them on ideological front. fine. such a struggle against radical islam will be different from vast cultural struggles and will yield somewhat surprising recommendations for action. our image of an ideological war comes from the cold war, a titanic struggle between two complete world views. that struggle was so pervasive and intense because the enemies ideas were potentially attractive to anyone anywhere in the world. communism and capitalism were both secular ideologies each trying to seduce the world's undecides into its camp. it's difficult to remember today that for decades communism was alluring to tens of millions of people. in the 1920s and '30s, many of

the western world's greatest intellectual like irish playwright george bernard shaw and historian hotline g. wells were enamored of it. in 1940s, communist parties got large chunks of the vote in free elections in france and italy, leaving many observers to worry those countries would choose to become communists. around the world the appeal of socialist and communist ideas was real and at times very strong. radical islam by contrast is severely limited in its global allure. almost by definition it is deeply unattractive to all non-muslims. even within the muslim world radical islam does not do well. in the half of that world that votes, indonesia, india, bangladesh turkey iraq and pakistan. parties based on such ideologies have garnered very few votes. thus the ideological war today

is really and crucially a struggle within islam. that's a war that has to be waged by muslims. if outsiders like america want to play a role they should try to listen to and support those muslims fighting the good fight. it's irrelevant what barack obama wants to call isis. what matters is what the locals here in jordan and in other arab countries whatnot to call it. >> against these people -- >> as you'll hear in a moment the king of jordan thinks such people should be described as out allows of islam. whatever the phrase the effort seems similar to that of the obama administration to deny these groups the mantle of religion and in effect to ex-communicate them from islam. the ultimate irony is if one does understand the ideology of islamistings properly it leads in one direction.

graeme wood in his much discussed essay discussion greater military involvement against isis. the biggest proponent of an american invasion is the islamic state itself he writes. the provocative videos are clearly made to draw america into the fight. and invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide. instead koungs containment, selective airstrikes and support from muslims who are working to dissuade their brethren from falling prey to radical islam. in other words, fighting an ideological war against isis actually points one towards a sophisticated strategy that employs military restraint and political cooperation with arabs. i wonder if those clamoring for such a struggle are on board. for more go to cnn.com/fareed

and read more. and let's get started. ♪ >> king abdullah ii ascended jordan's throne just over 16 years ago. there arguably has never been a more tense time during his rein reign. by u.n.'s count ,000 refugees in january, some say the number is higher. one refugee camp is now the fourth biggest city in jordan. outside jordan's borders it has isis in iraq and syria, which is spilled over into lebanon and turkey and now perhaps even further afield. it has the palestinian problem in israel and the west bank right next door. most recently abdullah has had to lead his nation through the sadness and anger that flowed from the brutal murder of one of the nation's air force pilots by

isis. we met in the al husseinia palace in jordan's capital. thank you for joining us. >> good to be here. >> this the first time you're speaking to the world since the death of the jordanian pilot and that brutal video. tell us what was your reaction when you first saw the video? >> in actual fact i didn't see the video. many of uses refused to see what i think is propaganda. lfb oy i had a detailed brief of what happened. we couldn't escape seeing obviously, pictures in the newspapers. discussed sadness to the family. i had met the family on many occasions. my heart went out to the father the mother brothers and sisters, his wife had only been

married five months. anger as son of the army forces god bless his soul he's a brother in arms. so i think all soldiers past and present were disgusted by the brutality of what moab was put through. i think if isis or dash as we call them try to intimidate jordanians i think just have the reverse effect. if you look at our history, we're a country that's used to being outgunned and outnumbered. we've always punched way about our weight. i think if anything dash has us as a tiger by the tail. it just motivated jordanians to rally around the flag and the gloves have come off. >> what do you think they are trying to do with the video? ? >> they are always try to intimidate scare, put fire into

people's hearts. this is a group that works by intimidation intimidation. they are trying to in vent linkage to caliphates length to our history in islam which has no truth or bearing to our history. to bring in deluded young men and women who think this is sort of an islamic nation it has nothing to do with our history. actually the barbarity with the way they executed our brave hero shocked the muslim world, specifically jordanians from this region. it had nothing to do with islam. intimidation is the major lesson. >> jordanian government promised

an earth charlottering response eringshattering response as i recall. what we've seen so far isn't that dramatic. is there more to come? what is going to happen? >> earth shattering from all military capabilities is not something that happens overnight. there has been a massive response electric their campaign. there are continued operations going on in syria. we are coordinating with our friends in iraq. there is a long-term approach to this issue. and again, this is one of the issues that i'd like to point out to you. one of the things that the isis and daesh has been saying why are we picked on by fellow muslims, why are jordanians getting involved in this war. it is our war. it has been for a long time. against these people for lack of

a better term these are outlaws, in a way, of islam trying to use expansionist policy. the minute they set up this irresponsible caliphate to try to expand their dominion over muslims. they try to make themselves look as the victims. it is us muslims preying on them. what about the hundreds if not thousands of muslims they have killed in syria and iraq over the past year and a half. the tribes we have a responsibility to reach out to in eastern syria, important in western iraq that had been executed in large numbers over the past year and a half. so this is our war. we have a moral responsibility to reach out to those muslims to protect them and to stop them before they reach our border. >> in syria, are you not inevitably aligned with the assad government in the sense that if isis is your main threat, winston church hill said if hitler were to invade hell i

would make common cause with the devil. do you have to de facto side with assad. >> there's the history dealing with regime and history of dealing with isis or dash. what has taken prominence at the moment is isis, daish at this stage. are we trying to chew gum and walk at the same time? this has to be decided by the international community. we believe there has to be a political solution that brings it to the table because there is this bigger problem. that has not been clarified at the moment. coalition, arab muslim western, so to speak, can only do so much in syria against isis. but at the end of the day it has

to be syrians themselves especially when you want to reach heartland of isis. >> when we come back with his majesty king abdullah ii i will ask him what he wants to call the radical islamists or radical extremists that president obama doesn't want to call islam, when we come back. put under a microscope we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture everyday. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less.

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. we are back with his majesty of jordan king abdullah ii.

president obama has gotten into a little trouble or received some criticism because he says he doesn't want to call groups like isis islamic extremists because he doesn't want to give them the mantle of legitimacy by acknowledging they are islamic. do you think he's right? >> i think he is right. i think this is something that has to be understood on a much larger platform. they are looking for legitimacy they don't have inside of islam. when we're asked in debate are you moderate or extremists these people wan to be called extremist. they take that as a badge of honor. if you ask me moderate or extremists i'm a muslim. these people terms using more and more they are in a way outlaws that are on the fringe of islam. and if you look at sort of the way they are presented inside

they are inside sunni islam. sunni islam is 1.5 billion muslims. they represent only 1%. out of that may be 200 to 500,000 of these people. out of these -- to label islam under the term extremists and moderates is wrong. making the comparison they are extremist muslims is actually working exactly what these people want. no we are muslims. i don't know what they are. they definitely do not have any relationship to our faith. when baghdadi the leader of isis came out with his manifest okay even extremist organizations completely backed away from what he said. he has nothing to do with the

tent tent tenets of islam. >> who should respond to this arab response muslim response or should the west be in the lead? this has to be unified. i've said this to leaders both in islamic and arab world and to the world in general. this is a third world war by other means. this brings muslims, christians other religions together in this generational fight that all of us have to be together. so it's not a western fight. this is a fight inside of islam where everybody comes together against these outlaws so to speak together. it's a short-term part of this military part of the issue. there's medium part which is security part to it. there's a long-term element to this which is obviously the ideological one. that's the one more complicated and more difficult. >> in sunni islam, as you know no real priestly hierarchy.

there are no popes or really anything like that. but there is historically a great weight given to people who have some family association with the prophet. your family is regarded as descending from the prophet. given that do you think that when you hear talk not just from people in isis but people who did the things they did in paris about blasphemy and punishments of blasphemy, do you think any of this has any basis in islam? >> again, those that are trying to use -- there's a difference and i'm sure we can get into this between freedom of speech and hate speech. both ronnie and i president of paris, the right thing to do to

stand against extremism. also a muslim policeman ahmed, the first policeman to be at the scene of that crime who paid with his life defending the laws of france. we were there to defend those innocents killed in the name of islam, whether it was the 150 odd school children killed in a school in pakistan whether it was the thousands that were killed in a nigerian village in a single day or thousands of muslims killed every day in syria and iraq. so the issue of the blasphemy, if anybody understood the prophet, may peace be upon him, and how he used to look at life he was persecuted at the beginning of bringing islam together and he always forgave. there were some brutal things that happened to him, his family and he always forgave those around him. so for these extremists now to be able to sort of be the

defenders of his honor when they don't understand who he was, i find so insulting in a way, because he would have always forgiven. but that's not what they want to do. they want to create that hatred. my brother again spoke out that the sort of vilifying of religions is something we all have to stand together. then you see the good stories unfortunately not reported enough in the media. so when you look at what's happened over the past several months when people or extremists in sweden went and sort of painted insulting graffiti on a mosque door in the city in sweden the swedish people came out and put paper hearts on the door of that mosque. islamic groups went out chanting

against islam. the great cathedral of cologne turned out its lights in protest against that. last week young muslims in oslo held hands around a synagogue to show a ring of peace. these are the messages that we're all united together against this fight. and not to fall into the trap that the extremists want on either side to create hate between religions. that's what we have to concentrate on. >> when we come back more of my interview with the king of jordan. i will ask him where isis gets its money when we come back.

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mman. king abdullah of jordan. people how they finance themselves sophisticated media operation. let's start with the money. how do they have so much cash? >> money does get supplied by individuals in our part of the world. you've seen u.n. resolution recently to try and move us into

international community to make sure those accesses are cut off. you've also got to remember that isis was fairly successful in taking over territory whether it was in syria and more recently in iraq where they overran banks and managed to capture a lot of money. then they ran their own economic industries so they were selling a lot of oil, producing about a billion dollars worth of revenue a year. that's been degraded quite significantly since because of coalition airstrikes. but they had this own ability to run their own economy quite successfully. >> do you think that defeating isis will require or should require american boots on the ground american ground forces? >> look i think that a lot of us are looking at this it being sort of our fight, arab muslim challenge, trying to keep western boots off the ground is

i think an essential part of how we move forward. i think this is why most of us are looking at it that way. at the end of the day -- >> why? do you think it would be a gift to isis to have americans? >> that could be an element of it because i think sort of the perception they would use occupation as the wrong issue. they will obviously always use the idea of this is a crusade, which it is not. actually this is our fight. at the same time when you look at syria and also iraq it's the integrity and sovereignty of those countries. it has to be syrians dealing with their issues and iraq is dealing with theirs. it doesn't mean they can't be aided by air, possibly special forces types of operations in the future. those are things being looked at. what i think is more important to look at challenges and holistic approach the challenging in 2015. the fixation today is on iraq and syria.

we can't forget the problems of sinai. we can't forget the problems of libya. we must not forget africa boca haram, shabaab and the problems these franchises so to speak, are presenting to asia. haram, shabaab and the problems these franchises, so to speak, are presenting to asia. haram, shabaab and the problems these franchises, so to speak, are presenting to asia.k haram, shabaab and the problems these franchises, so to speak, are presenting to asia.o haram, shabaab and the problems these franchises, so to speak, are presenting to asia. so like minded countries need to come together and bone up to how we can share responsibility work together and deal with these problems in a holistic approach. >> do you think prime minister netanyahu has genuinely be making an effort to create a two-state solution to the palestinian problem? >> at this stage, nothing proactive will happen from either side unfortunately until we get passed the elections. my hope is that once we get past the elections, there is a serious commitment from both sides to move on the two-state solution. the reason is if this is our

generational fight against these outlaws of islam, we have been talking about this global threat. what these people use as one of their main recruiting issues rightly or wrongly, because the israelis will say these problems have nothing to do with us and get upset when i say all roads lead to jerusalem, they use this as an argument. we saw that the spike in recruiting in the summer when the wars happened and 700 women and children died as a result foreign fighters flocked to syria and to iraq because of what they perceive as the justice of the palestinians and of jerusalem. so if we're going to have any chance of winning this generational fight, this third world war by other means, if we

can't fix this israeli palestinian problem, this ongoing situation that's been there for many decades, then we have at least one hand tied behind our backs if we're to deal with this. this is the challenge to both israeli and palestinian leadership. you have to understand this problem has become much bigger than ourselves. how are we going to be able to win this? how are we going to justify us muslims with the international community, fighting with people if this thing keeps bubbling. that's the major challenge, i think. >> your majesty, pleasure to have you on. thank you so much. hi, this is jennifer i will be out of the office until monday, and won't be checking voicemail during this time. i'll reply just as soon as i get back to work. sail with the number one cruise line in alaska. enjoy 7-day cruises from $499. call your travel consultant or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new.

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good morning and welcome to a "gps" newsbreak. i'm dana bash. fareed will be back in a few moments with much more from amman jordan on "gps" including an interview with the man who could disrupt israeli politics and israeli prime minister netanyahu's plans. first we get the latest news this morning. we start in moscow where organizers say more than 70,000 people showed up today to march in memory of boris nemtsov.

he was one of president bush president's vladimir putin's fiercest rivals and critics. he was gunned down friday on a bridge in the shadow of the kremlin. let's go to where we have reporters standing by. we'll start with matthew chance. matthew, what can you tell us about the mood there at this point? is it more sadness or anger or both? >> i think it's a combination of both of those feelings. there's a lot of sadness about the fact that boris nemtso v one of the country's most prominent opposition figures has been gunned down so ruthlessly on the bridge as you say, a short distance from the kremlin. you can see traffic is back here now. just about an hour ago there were thousands of people who turned out to pay their respects to express their sadness but also their anger at the direction which russia has turned with the killing of boris

nemtsov. one of the signs that struck me propaganda kills, one of the slogans brandished on signs. a reference to this idea that russia has become a place where if you're opposed to the kremlin, if you reject what the kremlin says you become an enemy of the state. that's something that's been actively propagated by the governments of this country. it's within that context that boris nemtskov was killed. that's what the people who came to this rally were concerned about. >> what do we know about the suspect or possible suspect. apparently thoughts have a digital sketch. can you give us any more information about that? >> yeah. a digital sketch. it's pretty vague. there's some vague distribution put out by the police. they are looking for somebody who is between 170 and 176 centimeters tall things like

that. i'm not clear it's going to be the kind of description that is going to lead to a conviction necessarily in this case. that's one of the big concerns here too. russia even though it says it's going to bring the culprits to justice in this killing, it's got a very patchy record indeed in solving these kinds of political killings. the killers back in 2006 of a prominent journalist who was a fierce critic of the government. the he has been sent to prison but those that order it have not been found. so russia has a very patchy record. it is a great deal of scepticism amongst ordinary russians that it's going to be any different this time. >> matthew, thank you so much. this is certainly a case where you think you're watching some kind of thriller.

unfortunately it isn't, it's reality. thank you. we're going to go on to other news. yesterday venezuelan president declared authorities have had arrested an unspecified number of americans, including an american pilot, for espionage. maduro claimed united states backed a coup plot against him. the u.s. denied it but the president also announced several high-profile u.s. officials including george w. bush and former vice president dick cheney would be banned from venezuela. that's all the time we have for this cut-in. i'm dana bash. this has been "gps" and a news update. fareed will be back in just a minute from ahman, jordan. he'll have a man that might be netanyahu's political nightmare? no president obama but herzog. isaac her zog, you're going to meet him in a moment. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24,

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ister benjamin netanyahu will address the united states congress to warn it directly of the iranian nuclear threat. it's a move security adviser called destructive to the fabric of the relationship between the two allies. two weeks later israel will hold national elections. labor party chairman and leader of the opposition isaac herzog has emerged as chief rival for the job. a poll had the two parties tied for the top number of seats in the new parliament. he joined me from tel aviv. mr. herzog pleasure to have you on. >> pleasure to be with you, fareed. >> this week you said prime minister netanyahu's decision to speak to the united states congress two weeks before the election without informing the

white house, was political spin. what did you mean by that? >> that we make it clear to the american public and to our viewers that there is no difference in israel as to the strategic threat that emanates from the iranian nuclear program. clearly no israeli leader and me included will ever accept a nuclear iran. however, the way to deal with it in my mind should be different. and i think netanyahu's speech in congress is a mistake. need to work together intimately with those negotiating with the international agreement with iran and make sure that this agreement is ironclad on delivery namely there will never be an iranian nuclear bomb. when arguments emanate, such as the arguments surrounding the speech of netanyahu in congress there are questions that are raised. there is daylight between us and the administration and that's

not good. >> and you would not have gone? hu been prime minister you would not have accepted the invitation to speak to congress two weeks before the election? >> i would make sure that nothing of this sort would be viewed as partisan in any way. the united states was always strategic for us was never partisan. israel knew how to work the floor both sides and keep unique relations with both parties. i definitely believe that it is a mistake to present an elected official in the united states with a question whether he prefers the white house or prefers israel. actually isn't a question. we have common grounds. you know we share the same objective of making sure that iran won't have nuclear weapons. iran is a rogue state, a dangerous state. iran spreads hatred all over the world. iran should be demanded by the international community in these

negotiations to make it clear it accepts israel as part of the family of nations rather than calling for its eradication. these are the issues we should be talking about. we should define intimately between the nations what is a bad deal. the president himself said rightly so a bad deal is no deal. >> israeli ngo has released a report there has been a 40% rise in settlement activity construction in the west bank since last year. a lot of people believe at this point a two-state solution is really going to be very, very difficult. do you believe if you were prime minister that there is an actual path to a two-state solution and what is it? >> it's materialistic. i don't agree with all these opinions. i think that it is viable. however, right now our

relationship with the palestinians is at a dead-end. it's actually one of the worst periods in the relationship. the palestinians opted for unilateralism. they have come forward with unilateral steps both to the security council as well as going to the international criminal court against our soldiers who have protected our nation against palestinian terror from hamas. we will stop unilateral action by palestinians and we will try to reignite the process. i will definitely try to reignite the political process with the palestinians by way of including our neighbors in this process such as egypt and jordan on a regional platform and trying our best again, not to give up but trying our best again. >> what do you make of this recent court decision in the united states awarding damages against palestinian authority? if you are trying to make peace, is that something that is not

going to help because you need a partner, or is it something that has to be done? how do you view it? >> first and foremost we need to negotiate. that's what we need to do. we need to talk to each other. i met president abbas a couple of times in the past year. i must say i actually asked him, do you believe there will be a day when you will be able to come to an agreement with an israeli leader. he wasn't sure about his answer. i say to you and say to our viewers, first and foremost we need to win trust with our neighbors. we need to extend our hand and see what and how they are coming into this again, yet again, not to give up try, and not naive. i think that it will be much more difficult to start again, but we should start again. >> what would be the biggest difference mr. herzog between you being triple and bibi

netanyahu baseball prime minister a month from now. >> there are many differences. internally i offer totally different social economic platform which strengthens and empowers the people which returns money to them which has a better division of income in our society and gives them hope. and secondly, i want to bring hope to our people to my people as well as to our neighbors. i believe that in our region everybody ought to live quiet, tranquil and successful life. we have to do whatever we can to give hope to our children and to the next generalerations. i will try my best i will try again, i will talk to the region. israel should be part of that coalition which fights extremism and works together towards peace and works together towards stability in the middle east. >> mr. herzog pleasure to have

you on. >> thank you, fareed. >> that was israel's labor party leader isaac herzog. we asked prime minister netanyahu to appear but he declined our invitation. next on "gps," the world's longest train journey was completed this week. we'll tell you where it went and why. k on purchases. that's a win. but imagine earning it twice. introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back twice, once when you buy and again as you pay. it's cash back. then cash back again. and that's a cash back win-win . the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided.

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this week the federal communications commission voted to adopt strong net neutrality rules which would give certain internet providers faster or slower speeds blocking sites entirely or potentially charging for preferential service. brins me to my question where does the united states rank globally in terms of broadband speed? second ninth, 15th or 27th? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is actually a play on broadway. it's called disgrace. it's about the very struggle

within islam between radicals and moderates that we've been talking about these past few weeks. it's a riveting production. if you're not in new york you can buy the book. they won the pulitzer prize. the last look. the world's longest rail journey completed this week. a chinese chicago train finished first strip from the town in china to madrid and all the way back again as pointed out. that means it passed through no fewer than eight countries, china, kazakhstan russia belarus, poland germany, france and spain according to chinese state media. the journey was more than 8,000 miles each way and each leg took roughly three weeks. to put that in perspective, the run for distance is equivalent to traveling between los angeles and new york approximately six

and a half times or from l.a. to sydney and back again. the direct link to the west has been called the 21st century silk road by chinese officials. it isn't just isolated route, they announce add fund that would link markets across asia and beyond. it's officially the year of the sheep, or by some translations the ram or the goat. but perhaps the silkworm would be more appropriate. the correct answer to the "gps" challenge question is d. as of this friday the u.s. ranks 27th in broadband download speed, right behind hungary and bulgaria. americans pay a lot for their internet. according to the new america, the majority of the united

states internet customers pay more than their counter-parts in europe and arab. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. coming from amman, jordan. we will see you next week in new york. when in fact the war was 1,000 miles off sea. since then a bunch more. the liberal media, a long time o'reilly foe claims