nne moos and she is amazing. >> just to understand that the weasel was trying to kill the woodpecker and it is not cute, it is devious. >> that is it us for us tonight. thank you for watching. >> cnn starts -- oh okay. this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon. >> the people of ferguson have known it all along and the police department has a race problem and they live it everyday and now a justice department has confirmed it. by no means is anybody suggesting that the every officer is racist but the numbers don't lie. take a look at this. the justice department says that 85% of the people subjected to traffic stops are african-american. and 9 of 10 receiving the the citations, black. and 93% arrested, black. many in 88% of the cases where force was being used it was used against, you guessed it black people. bear in mind 67% of the

population in ferguson is black. and 97% of the police officers are white. and then there is this racist jokes shared by police and court off officers. barack obama wouldn't be president for long, because, punch line what black man holds a steady job for four years? there is more are where that came from, and we have a lot more with the bold speech from benjamin netanyahu and also, who does isis want dead? we will go if ferguson and ed lavandera is there, and also e e evan perez is in washington for us if this evening. and evan walk us through the details of the justice department finding. >> el well, don, there is stark findings from the the justice department investigation. you just hit just a few of the high points, but or rather the low point, right? but this is the department according to the justice department investigation was

using traffic stops, jail sentences, and targeting african-americans routinely for very minor offenses and they went p beyond the ferguson police department accord ing to the justice department investigation, the ferguson municipal court system was also used to essentially raise the money off of the backs of african-americans, and low income people in that area, and hi will give you one quick statistic that we expect to hear more of when the justice department releases the findings but according to the justice department 21,000 people who lifve in ferguson, 16,000 people who have outstanding arrest warrants and most of these are for very minor offenses like minor traffic tickets and parking, and don what it means is that people can't afford the show up in court or pay the fines, and they end up being thrown in jail because of that. >> and evan, what is next after

that, and after the justice department formally announces the finding? >> well the justice department then seeks to enter into the consent decree which is an agreement with the city of ferguson under which the city will agree to fix the police department and make some changes with training perhaps leadership changes to to make sure that the police department will for once begin to be protect and serve the community it serves there, and then beyond that we expect that the department will also the jus justice department will also an announce that there are no charges against darren wilson the officer who shot and killed michael brown. and those are the two big announces that we expect from the justice department tomorrow. >> thank you, evan perez. i want to bring in neil brunburg er who is the attorney for the man who shot and killed michael

brown, officer darren wilson, and what is the findings? >>le w i have not heard from the justice department, don, and they have not called me to tell me about the findings, so i have given the same information which is the same as everyone which are the leaks that have come out in the newspaper, and in in terms of the information, we have to make sure that we don't rush to judgment before we say anything. i have read the numbers, and i know that they are not looking good. i am not saying that in the situation where someone's activities were not racially motivation we should not take action, because we should, but the justice department owes us a explanation, but to release just these facts and information and adds little as this is and so bare bones and so incomplete, and for us to draw conclusion prs this is hard. we have to go forward and make changes burk from this, and it doesn't strike you as odd, don, releasing this now?

why this way? why not give us all of the information to drill down into this? i think that it is going to raise more questions than it answers. >> and you know, it is no different than the other reports that have been over the recent years that have been closer to st. louis, in the missouri area. it is not very different from other reports, and so some people are saying it is not anything new. neil? okay okay. we have lost neil bruntrager. when we get him back, we will talk to him. and now over to charles who is a contributor to cmnnn, and a columnist, and what are you makeing of this? >> yes, i agree, we want to wait to see the entire report tomorrow because in media reports of this, you have heard two the things and one is that there is systemic bias and these numbers if they are

correct, they would support the system of bias, but the word "targeting" denotes intent. that is a different construct. if you are targeting, and it is not just that the system itself is biased and that it is implicit bias, and people are not necessarily h operating on the conscious level to oppress, but that the system is oppressive that is one thing, but if however, you are targeting with the express intent to pad the coffers of a local jurisdiction, that is a whole other level of charge. so i want to wait to see what the actual report says. number one. and number two, we need to the back up and remember one thing. the if it were not for the killing of michael brown and for the people who came into streets to protest around that killing, we would not have had an investigation in ferguson.

we would not have had the justice department looking at two years of data for this tiny place in ferguson, and if the findings are correct as they are being reported tonight, those people who lifve in ferguson would still be suffering from a that oppression going forward and that is a really important thing the, and that situation, what happened there is not in vain. it is not people just venting, and blowing off the steenl, and something happened from that. >> and what you saw on the street, and there is more than just michael brown, pause that is the thing that tipped it off. it is the last straw so to speak, charles. standby standby, charles. i want to bring back in neil bruntrag bruntrager. i want say that you said that you want to know more as does charles blow. and is so now 29% white, and 4%

other, and the rest of the population is african-american, and the ferguson police department 53 members. 50 white officers and 3 black officers officers. do we have that? okay. and then ferguson, the the arrests in ferguson from 2012 to 2014 2014, 93% of the arrests were of african-americans, and this is the police department that when you look at it, it is 50 officers three african-american officer, and that is stark, neil don't you think? >> well again, let me say it this way, we don't know what their recruiting histories have been, a a been, and they don't mention it in the article at all, don. when they talk about these number, i don't have any information on the effort of ferguson not to hire the mi authority officers, and the other problem is the 67%, and they want to compare that number

to all of the number, and when you look at ferguson and the surrounding municipal tis on ferguson, you have berkeley on one side which is 87% african-american, and on the other side jennings which is over 80% african-american, and in terms of the people who are stopped, are they from ferguson, jennings or the city of st. louis? we don't know that. in order to understand the numbers, there is so much more that that we need to know. until with we have the information, we have to be careful to withhold the judgment. this the effort to releesase this information is manipulative. i think that this is design ded to basically create thoughts in our head without any underlying supporting information, and anyone is going to tell us in order to make something of this and make it truly useful, and take the tragedy of august 9th, and make it useful we have to understand it all, and then we can invoke real reforms, and we have to do that? nobody disagrees with you, but when you put the numbers up -- >> good. >> and unless there is something

out of the ordinary in explanations one cannot say unless you go in and out of ferguson to shop and they are not only black people but there are people of all ethnicity tis, and the number of people in the newsroom comparatively and the number of people diverse, that is is stark. i though that there is an effort by the many police offices to recruit black officers, but the numbers are stark the at the surface. >> look. what we do in the city of st. louis when it comes to the numbers. we collect this information on all of the categories that you have talked about the in st. louis, and we send it out to sociologists to drill down on this so we have an understanding. they look for the outliers, and look for the police who tend to arrest or stop more african-americans than white when it seems it does not fit

into the area, and again, we need so much more to understand this, and i am not trying to e defend defend these numbers, and we can't. >> nobody disagrees that we need more to analyze them better and from what we have now, that is where we are, and we are where we are now. >> sure. right, right. >> and i want to ask you about darren. you spoke to darren today, and is he optimistic and how is he doing? >> well, i mean, you know, like anyone else who would be in his situation, he is anxious for the answer and anxious for it to be done. and again, tomorrow, we will see what it bring, and we are hoping that there is an answer tomorrow. i have been told in my capacity as the general counsel for the police association, that it looks like a determination tomorrow the, and the justice department is looking out to a lot of people, and nobody has called me don, and nobody has said that this decision is coming tomorrow, so we will see and i hope it does, and again, i hope that after tomorrow, after tomorrow, we can all sit down, and we can all learn from this, because as charles said and hopefully something good is going to be coming out of this

terrible tragedy. >> as we said not every person in ferguson is bias or racist, but it is something to be built into the system and acting upon that they are not aware of but does darren believe that there is a pattern or practice of discrimination against the african-americans among the ferguson police department? >> don, i did not talk to him about the contents of these newspaper articles basically because we wanted to make sure that we had all of the information before we said anything and i'm not in a position to the speak for him tonight, and tomorrow when there are decisions, i can do it better, but tonight, i can't speak to that. >> all right. neil, i want you to hang around, because i want to bring in charles and other guests as well, and hang around, neil bruntrager, because there is a justice department scathing report on the police and we

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and the ferguson police department won't be released until tomorrow afternoon, and ed lavandera is with us in ferguson and what happened many that meeting? >> well we understand that they are presented with the report, and there have not commented on it officially don, and we understand that they are reviewing the report, and they are holding a press conference wednesday to talk about it but no official response. i know that i have talked about several community leaders about hit the ferguson area and what they are saying about it is that

it is a wakeup call akcross the st. louis area, and to understand why they say that is because st. louis is a small city, and st. louis kouncounty is made up of many cities like the city of ferguson, a & people arend what many people are saying is that it is not just a ferguson problem, because it is a municipality problem of what occurred in august. >> i want to bring in neil bruntrager and charles blow and also a community activist to come on as well. and i asked a few people to come on, but they said not until i have had a few scotches first. so the information is hitting them hard. and so jeff when you hear that there are 90% of the citations went to african-americans, and 9 393

93% of the arrests were a african-americans, and you live in the area, and what is the reaction to the justice department findings? >> well don, to me the most shocking statistic is that 100% of the police departments of the justice department investigates for pattern and practice investigations have engaged in some bad practice. i think that that would lead one to the conclusion that every police department in america engages in the bad practices, and that is not the case. i don't believe that the viewers believe that is the case. >> you don't believe that every police department has a few bad apples and surely every company has a few bad apples and no department or company is perfect. >> right. but what do we accomplish by painting this entire police department or all of law enforcement with one brush because of the few bad apples as you describe them? >> well, do you see this as

painting every police department with a broad brush, john gaskin? >> absolutely not. i think that it puts the neighboring police departments on notice. unfortunately, i have to disagree with jeff on that one. the ferguson police department has been his tortorically known to have these problems as you mentioned in the coverage earlier tonight. this is no surprise to the residents or the people of st. louis county. we have known that the statistics are way, way out there, and obviously much higher than what they should be but what i'd like to know, and like to see is the d.o.j. remain committed to taking a look inthe practices of police departments in neighboring communities so that we can shed the light on these types of problems, because of the -- >> is and tthere a shared sense that

something is being a justice accomplished here? >> yes, this is what people were talking about, a level of accountability and transparency and it is unfortunate that mr. brown had to be killed, but as mr. blow mentioned, his death is not in vein, because there are changes moving forward and i'm encouraged by what we have heard by the leaks and i am looking forward to the doj's full findings released tomorrow hopefully. >> when i was on the ground in ferguson and we went there with the intention to listen to people to both sides the police officers and the people of ferguson, a and a lot of people were expressing the frustrations with the police department, and i want you to take a listen to some of them. >> how many of you trust the

police in this area? >> you can go three feet to the left and three feet to the right, and you are in a different municipality, but any day, they are flooded with the black people, and they are out there, and pagedale and hineline and ferguson and traffic court which is makeing up most of the budget. most of the budget comes from the traffic tickets which is the black folks. >> and so that conversation went on live for at least 20 minute and i kept hearing, and keep going, keep going, because it is a great conversation, and we went on for 20 or 35 minutes with the people in the community, charles, all saying the a same thing, and you are hearing that a man suggesting what the department of justice's review will say, that through the citations, and the court fines, and that is a bigger issue, isn't it? >> well, it is the intersection of the povrerty and minority populations, right.

so there is you know we will wait to see what this particular re report says. the larger issue is whether they were preying on people who are overlap overlapped significantly of poorer mi more ti people who are baited into the system that cannot get out. and if you are poor already and you don't have the money to pay the fine, and then the warrant is issued, and you can see how the snowball begins to roll down the hill right? and that is the what becomes the problem, and what you are hearing on the street is people's lived experiences. and what this report appears to be is the data to back up the lived experiences in in america. and one of the things that the gentleman before said that the justice department finds some level of bias. i think that for your viewers

who don't believe that the inverse is true that if fact what we are demonstrating is what the sociologists tell us is that bias is embedded manyin the american psyche, and that when they, if you go looking for it you will in/* fact find it. what we need to deal with is not the looking at the police officers and saying woe is them, because the bias has been pointed out, but look at the victims of that bias and the people who are operating on the architecture of that oppression and look at what effects it having on that population. >> i want to talk to you, jeff but with all due respect, do you think that you are so close to it that you can't see it? because basically what i am hearing, and you can tell me if i'm wrong that the police cannot do anything wrong and can do no wrong, and if you are listening to the people of leadership in ferguson, there should be some

degree of acceptance of what they are living is true, and you have to listen to other side and say, and relent a little and say, okay maybe you are right, because if the you stand your ground and say, we are not, and we haven't done anything wrong, and they say we haven't done anything wrong, and how do you accomplish anything? >> i agree don. there needs to be that level of dialogue, and there hasn't yet, and i think that -- >> you don't appear to be open to it jeff and knowing that when the numbers say, and doing the arithmetic and here sis the numbers and we have to -- >> well, give some context to the numbers, and 67% tells us -- >> and i have to say that with any police department across the country and ferguson. >> absolutely, and i get that, don d, and i hear what the folks are saying but 67% tells us who is lying in bed at night in ferguson and tell us the census population and who is sleeping in bed at night, and not who is

there in the day and who police are having more contact with and we have to put context to the numbers and understand them, and michael brown will have died in vain if we don't go back to the problem, and to go back to the point of mr. blow, the real problem is in relation to the overlapping phenomenon of race and african-americans in this country being more likely to be in poverty and being more likely to come into contact with the police, and as a result, we have what looks like racial disparity, and when really it is something else. >> neil one more question to you, but i have to unfortunately go and we will see you back tomorrow if you guys will all come back tomorrow when the information is on and thank you for being candid. >> this is easy, don, because i didn't have to say anything. >> thank you, guys. i appreciate it. did he convince the critics, including the angry white house.

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there has bneen praise and criticism for benjamin netanyahu addressing congress to freeze the nuclear program of iran threatening the existence of israel. they say it was all talk and that netanyahu offered no viable alternatives. we are joined by michael smerconish and newt gingrich the former speaker of the house and also a cnn contributor. and newt did prime minister netanyahu convince americans we are on the road to making a bad deal? >> well he came to say that no deal is worse than a bad deal and the shape of the deal that secretary kerry is negotiating is a terrible deal.

the e speech was effective, and for the 2/3 to 3/4 of the congress open to persuasion they left there much more unified this in being opposed to a bad deal. >> okay. take a listen to both men, and first netanyahu makeing his case and then the president rebutting. >> we have two major kon kegs sessions one leaving iran with a vast nuclear program, and two lifting the restrictions of the program in about a decade. that is why this deal is so bad. it doesn't block iran's path othe bomb, it paves iran's path the bomb. >> this is how the president responded to that. >> the alternative to the prime minister is no deal in which case iran will immediately begin once again pursuing its nuclear program, accelerate the nuclear program without us having any insight into what they are doing, and without constraint.

>> and so michael, first, who is right? >> don, i think that benjamin netanyahu delivered a provocative and forceful speech and you knew it would be forceful, because he has the skillset, but the substance does not alter whether at this time he should have come to deliver it. i think that a better course of action is to give the president and the secretary of the state the opportunity to negotiate some type of a peaceful resolution of the situation. i 'm not convinced that we know enough about the deal where he can weigh in so forcefully today can and say it is a bad deal. >> speaker gingrich? >> well, the israelis have a clear sense of what the agreement is going to be and the objective fact is that if if you are israel as the prime minister said at one point yesterday, we talked about national security and israel talks about survival and we are terrified of an iranian nuclear weapon, and they believe that this deal will lead to the iran

iranian nuclear weapon within a decade if not sooner and they have a powerful case that the iranians are lie ing to the atomic agentcy over and over ax and we have no reason to believe that the iranians are going to be telling the truth. >> and most of the democrats skipped the speech. nancy pelosi did go and she said that ne and the yaw hue was and the yaw -- netanyahu insulted the intelligence of the american people. >> well, he was essentially painting the president with the plat tooitude -- platitudes of the speech as a patsy, and being duped, and that is not fair. and it is not the precedent that this sets if if in 2017 president rand paul is in at spat with speaker of the house

debbie wassermann schultz, and she takes it upon herself to invite a foreign leader who is in disagreement to come address the congress, we are in the same position and that is not where we want to be. >> and the prime minister is where the president of the senate usually speaks, and he is insulting the president, and says he is being suckered into the bad deal and has anyone criticized a president like that? >> well, i don't foe if any foreign leader has, but people like barack obama when he was a united senator, were pretty enthusiastic about attacking president george bush and i'm intrigued about democrats who at attacked george bush now say that you should not attack a president. the pact is that the israeli prime minister is driven by a genuine sense of impending disaster which could mean

literally the end of israel as a state. and the iz and the palestinians say they want to wipe them off of the earth as a state. they are quite cheerful about saying it and if you were an iz ray ly, you would be very deep fear of nuclear-armed iran. >> would you have invited a foreign leader to speak without president bill clinton's knowledge? >> if i were boehner and been through what i have been through with president obama, i would have done it. he has done everything he can to run over them around them and everything he can to violate the constitution, a, and there is zero grounds for the republicans to worry about obama's feelings. >> michael, the last word? >> well, benjamin netanyahu has concern about the fate of the

nation. i am concerned about the fate of his nation, but he is concerned about the concern of getting re-elect re-elected and so that will be in two weeks, and so there is no reason that this speech could not have taken place two weeks into the future, and i would say that they should focus on the last two paragraphs of the speech where he says that days of israeli's pacifism is over. and what are you to take from that? they rare ready to strike. and that is going to be putting us in an unkom fortcomfortable position to where our allegiance to israel could really be e tested. >> thank you michael smerconish and newt gingrich. >> thank you. >> thank you. and next we will talk about a muslim collar who believes he

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we have seen the brutality of isis around the world, and now increased fears of ter tror attacks at home. my next guest was targeted by isis after he condemned the shar

charlie hebdo attacks. and now joining me is a memphis professor, a ndnd tell us why you are more afraid of one group than another, and why is that? >> well, don, thank you for having me on the show. well, the fact of the matter is that i have been getting death threats from two camps for the last few year and around 3 1/2 years ago, certain segments of our own american public who are misinformed of the islamic faith, and assume that every muslim are of one belief and a doctored audio tape that i am a stealth geejihadiist belief.

and so then i dealing with that and then because i denounced isis i was denounced by them and threatened by them. both are projecting their fears on me. >> and you say that you are more afraid of the right wing radicals than isis? >> yes, i am. >> and why are you -- you said that obviously, you were targeted by the groups on the right on the intert net, and how did you find out that you were being targeted by isis though? >> well, i'm an academic and professor, and so i have a number of friends who are specializing on the jihadist literature and goes on the web sites, and reads every publication of isis, and he texted many me when he said that you know that your name is nin the latest magazine, and a few hours later, the fbi contacted

me and said that my name and my picture was in the latest magazine. >> and you are talking about the magazine that we are all aware of, right? >> yes, exactly. they have a magazine and it is not sold at the local newsstand, but it is a online magazine and they had a color photograph of myself which i can see on the screen, and they call canned for my assassination, and assassination of myself and another individual in america. >> are you worried? >> of course i'm worried, of course. but at the same time -- >> do you walk around looking over your shoulder every moment? >> no no not at all. as a religious person i do put my trust in god and the koran say s says the if you put your trust in god, he will take care of, you and as an american muslim i'm not concerned about isis, because they don't exist in america, and i feel safe being in any mosque in north america, but i am not believing that the

muslims are going to take this call to action, because the american muslims have nothing to do with the isis, so of course, there is a element of precaution. >> and what about a lone wolf or someone who is going to try to prove something to eyeisis who may want to join the organization, and may not be muslim? we have seen that? >> well don, the lone wolves occur on both sides of the spectrum and we saw the chapel hill killings which is what a man was killed by a hate crime that killed those kid ss. >> i agree with you, and so i am wondering if you are concerned about that because you said that the you are not walking around looking over your shoulder for any of them? >> well, looking over my shoulder gives the indication that i am always worried. well i am taking simple

precautions, but at the end of the day, you can't protect yourself against a lone wolf, you do what you can and put your trust in god, and that is all you can do at the end of the day. >> and you spoke to the fbi, and what did they tell you? >> they told me some common sense precautions, and reach out to them in case there is any issue. and there's a direct lines of communication between us. as of yet, they are monitoring the situation as am i. >> why do you think that isis continues to grow? what sis the appeal of this terror organization in your estimation? >> good question. so isis is coming out of the particular social political circumstance and situation, and one really does need to look at what has happened in iraq for the last 30 years. the instability, the political revolution and the chaos generate and the economic sanctions, and the bombings and the invasions, and isis is the

creation of the political and social situations, and not the koran, and the appeal is that they are fighting on the behalf of the oppress and fight the invading army which is mainly us, and protect the innocent people from the intransjen sis of the third party, and the romantic and the nostalgic notion of the caliphate, and so there are a few misguided young men and women who are idealistically looking at these claims but again, the root problem is political and not theological. >> and thank you, professor. please be careful. >> thank you for having me. i will do that. >> and coming up, being targeted by isis is no laughing matter, but if you don't laugh at this, do the terrorists win? >> it looks like you are right. >> you be careful, okay? >> dad, it is just isis.

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any time anywhere, and we wonder how afraid we should be of them? joining us is juliette kayyem and now, you heard my last guest who say s thas that isis sees him as a threat? >> well mostly because he is muslim. and isis will target individuals from their own faith who they don't believe is devout to their cause, so it is not atypical for them to focus on their own religion, and those who are criticizing them from within, because they are essentially wanting a fight within islam aed on the get people radicalized and to support them and so it is typical technique by isis at this stage. >> and the guy can't win. you know someone who is muslim was considered like them and then on the right, he is being discriminated against because he is not like them, so it is very interesting. are you concerned about isis

targeting people who are in this country? >> yes, i think that we are starting to see it as we are seeing with some journalist and academics that you know sort of them targeting a specific individual who lives in fear or goes into hiding something that gives them tremendous power, and terrifies the rest of us. it is not easy for a member of isis to come here right, and to target the individual but what they are clearly trying to do is to motivate others who are radicalized or interested in the cause to target these individuals. so sit so it is a sort of like a hit list many which they are trying to val ga niz others who are sympathetic to isis to go after individuals who speak against isis. >> and we are learning about jihadi john pny.

why do they go after him? >> well, he is british, and good looking, and like everyone's best friend. it is perfect casting, because he is not like some crazy guy, but the guy next door. it is smart of hem to use him, because he is the fact that we are all agitated by the fact that we might know him. >> he is not a lost poor person, but person pof means. >> and so there sis a more common theme of people leaving home to be radicalized, and it was even satirized on "saturday night live." >> you be okay all right. >> dad, it is just isis.

>> all right. listen that may be funny, but often we learn through humor or sat satirization, and how does law enforcement stop from targeting people? >> well, obviously, lu

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that is it for us tonight. i'm don lemon and thank you for watching. i will see you right back here tonight on cmn. the isis threat on ac360 starts right now. good evening. an isis 360 special report starts right now. a terror group that threatens to destroy the world. they have slaughtered thousands and taken hostages for ransom or simply to kill. they have sponsored jihad at home and abroad. jordan's king abdullah calls the fight against isis the third world war