good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news and the fest video of the scene of an attack on a key american diplomat overseas. mark lippert is his name. the aftermath. his face wounded, bloody. being led away from the breakfast forum where he was attack the by a man with a knife.

according to south korea's news agency the man pushed the ambassador on to a table and then went at him with the blade. the ambassador was taken to the hospital where he is report to be in stable condition. president obama called him there a short time ago. his injuries thankfully not life-threatening as can you see. however, the attack on what is normally a very safe city was obviously terrifying. according to local media, a witness reported somebody yelling north korea and south korea should be unified. the police quickly took the man into custody. his last name was kim. the news agency reporting that he has a criminal record and was opposed to joint u.s.-south korea military exercise that is got underway this week. we have a reporter in seoul. john hancock joins us. what do we know about this attack? >> we just had a police briefing that ended in the last couple of minutes, and they have said that this just happened two hours ago. 7:42 a.m. local time. it was at a breakfast meeting.

according to the police this happened just as ambassador lippert was about to start eating. the attacker was sitting at the table next to him. now, this briefing this morning was actually for reunification of the two koreas. it was a group that's pushing for this and this attacker was a member of this group. so he is not an unknown. we know that just as the ambassador was about to start eating he attacked him with a small knife. earlier it was believed to be a razor blade. police have corrected that. he is in his 50s. he does have a previous criminal record but he was able to be within that breakfast meeting, and that close to the ambassador. >> do we know much about -- >> the ambassador was then rushed to the hospital. stroo do we know much about the security surrounding the ambassador? what's it typically like at an event like this? >> well, the police have told us about security here. they say there was 25 police officers outside the event. this was an art center where

this happened. they said that there were no special requests from the u.s. embassy as the ambassador was there, but they knew this event was happening, and they were able to detain the man quickly because they had police inside as well. just looking from my own personal point of view a couple of weeks ago i went to a dinner with ambassadors and security in this country is not particularly tight. i was able to walk in without my bag being searched without a metal detector, and then was actually sitting next to the italian ambassador. security here even though this is a country which is technically at war with north korea, it is considered a very safe country. a breakfast event downtown seoul is not considered to be a high risk area for any ambassador even the u.s. ambassador. people here even members of the public would have more access to ambassadors than they would in other conflict zones and certainly than they would in the united states. >> for the first time we're seeing video of the man being wrestled to the ground the alleged attacker there.

as you were saying i think i interrupted you, the ambassador in the video that we see of him, he is basically holding up a trish or something to his face to try to stop the bleeding. he was taken to the hospital obviously. >> that's right. yes. police said he was attacked by this knife on his right cheek. his hand you can see him holding a tissue to his cheek. the embassy spokesman said, obviously, he is not life-threatening. he is in a stable condition. you can see him being guided. he is walking, and he is talking at that point as well so certainly they're hoping that these injuries are not particularly severe. obviously, everyone is quite shocked. it's the first time a u.s. ambassador to seoul has been attacked. remember back in 2006 when she was attacked with a knife. herself as well she had a slash across her cheek at a public

event, which just shows that people are able to get close to those in power. certainly closer than they would in other countries. >> paul hancock, very shocking. thank you very much. christopher hill served as ambassador to south korea. he too, joindz us now from seoul. ambassador incredibly disturbing to see this. i'm wondering, what was your initial reaction to the attack and were you surprise thad somebody was able to get that close? >> well frankly, it's very shocking as paula made the point. this is considered a very safe place. when i was ambassador here yes, i had security but often i was able to walk outside by myself. occasionally i would walk home from the embassy. it is a very low security environment. it was just across the street from the embassy wlsh this is not something someone associates with high security. >> you don't want to go into security details on something like this but would you have

people with you from the embassy? do you have security personnel with you, close protection? >> what would normally happen in a country like this and in fact happened was you were asigned a security person from the korean government, and basically that person would kind of make sure that you know you could get to your seat and that strange people didn't come up to you. i don't know the details of what happened morning, but normally you would have someone. in addition i think whenever the ambassador would go somewhere, there would be a discussion between the embassy and then organizers to see what kinds of security arrangements they have, and normally the koreans are pretty well buttoned up and was suggested this morning, there were quite a few police outside. normally within the event itself there would be some security people but in this case, it seemed to be rather remarkable that a member or person seated for the breakfast

actually did this. >> you say a security person assigned to you is assigned by the south korean government so, in terms of u.s. embassy personnel or u.s. embassy personnel, you don't have somebody -- when you were there, you didn't have somebody doing close protection on you? >> it varies. sometimes. obviously in iraq you had a small army accompany you, and they were all american but in a country like this you know according to the vienna convention it is the country that is the host country that is responsible for the security of embassies and ambassadors. at any embassy you'll have marine guards on the inside but outside you'll have host country security people and you would have host country security people assigned to a v.i.p. to the ambassador to make sure nothing happens. unless there's some unusual circumstances, such as those that prevail in plays like iraq you would not have a u.s. security person going around with you. >> the report that the attacker

said something about north and south not being unified and maybe opposed to joint south korean exercises that have recently gone underway i guess it would suggest in a political mindset, and also maybe this person is disturb odd some level, but how contentious an issue is that in seoul these days? >> well obviously it is contentious. this is the month and the year where there are annual exercises. exercise that is have gone on for decades. they per size what are our only gags in terms of protecting south korea in the event of a war. these things get discussed, but the notion that they would respond in violence is -- we'll have to wait for the investigation, but i think

there's something in this guy's head that probably needs to be examined. >> and, finally, just an incident like this does this then change obviously as you said there's an investigation. did this then change the thinking on the part of u.s. officials? will they then relook at the security situation and whether or not they need to up that in terms of the close protection of the ambassador? >> i'm sure there will be a discussion within the embassy about that. obviously you're sitting at a breakfast, and someone from a neighboring table stands up with a knife and attacks you and it's pretty unusual. i have never heard of that. that has to be looked at and what the security was, i don't know what the outcome would be whether they would try to be more security whether they try to rope off the ambassador's table in the future. who knows what they would try to do? obviously they have to look at this in terms of lessons learned and figure out what to do with the next circumstances. >> it's a disturbing incident. thank you so much. >> joining us now on the phone,

cnn's finest graduates -- the u.s. china institute and the secret service agent and cnn global affairs analyst james reeser retired delta force member. >> they say this man cut the ambassador with a knife. to do that you can't bemore than an arm's length from your victim. it's a personal attack. the amount of security ambassador travels with doesn't protect against that kind of vulnerability, it seems like in this case. >> good evening. you're right. you know my concern is that the ambassador represents the president much the united states. they have this way they have to go through what they're going to protect and what they're going to not. the man that represents the president of the united states i got to believe have an agent in charge that is right there within arm's reach unless something happens. the threat came from the ambassador, so i think it's -- i

think really the security has to take a hard look at their -- how they're going to do these with other countries around the world. >> dan, particularly given the threat from north korea and the level of tension with north korea, and north korea in the past has sent agents into soublgt to kidnap people in the like. without presidential level security though there's really no way to prevent something -- somebody getting close. >> there's not anderson. there's always going to be a balance between access and security, and no security is ever going to be absolute. it's only going to be relative but the guest you just spoke with i agree with his assessment there. i think we're going to have to look at big countries we traditionally consider safe. france south korea. we're going to have to reconsider having an ambassador there alone without a secret

service representative. i think that's a really poor decision. the profile of the country alone, along with the ambassador, creates a threat profile significant enough to warrant at least one agent. >> the fact that this guy reportedly attacked the ambassador at least vocally saying something about joint military drills between south korea and the united states whether or not this guy is disturbed in other ways is that a -- i asked the ambassador hill about this a little bit. how controversial a sentiment is that there? how controversial are these exercises these days? >> people on the left are critical of the alliance some who are openly sympathetic to north korea and the kind of emotional issue, emotionally charged issue, division of the korean peninsula since the korean war, and there are people

on the left itself in the south in south korea that blame the wraits for that division so things get -- feelings get stirred up at this time of year. the north koreans have test fired short range missiles and protest the military exercises. two years they reached tensions that there are real fears that there might be some kind of armed conflict. that's the foyt and the context in which this person took the action he did. there are reports indicating that he is also involved in some kind of attack on the japanese ambassador a few years ago. this is something that people feel deeply about and if you are troubled in some ways to begin with it can sort of send you over the top. >> we're fwog take a quick break. when we come back we're going to have more on this late word on the ambassador's medical condition we're getting. details on that ahead. disrupter of supply chains. stealer of bedtime stories.

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at a breakfast meeting in seoul. police do have a suspect in custody. they say he was actually dining at the event with the ambassador. he was a member of the group that the ambassador was talking to. the ambassador was taken to the hospital where he is being treated for nonlife-threatening injuries. just moments ago we got new information on that. we'll go back to paul hancocks in seoul. what have you learned? >> well, we know that straight after this attack the ambassador was taken to a local hospital just about half an hour ago. we understand he was transferred to a larger hospital severance hospital here in seoul. we're being told by that hospital he is currently in surgery. they don't have details of his condition at this point. they say they're waiting for the end of the surgery to give us any kind of information. we also know from police that the attacker himself who is likely injured, we understand that he had a fracture. we're not saying where that fracture was, but at this point it's not clear if he is being treated. we know he is being questioned. anderson. >> paul thank you very much.

we want to bring in barbara star who is a friend of the ambassador. she joins us now. you know ambassador lippert well. what can you tell us about him? i read he was a former navy seal. >> he is a reservist in the navy right now working intelligence issues. he had been assigned to a navy seal unit at this point. like most of the pentagon press corps, professional friends with mark lippert because was a fim familiar figure until a few months ago here in the pentagon hallways. he served as chief of staff to former defense secretary chuck hagel. he served in a number of positions working asian policy. this was his expertise. he had been so excited about going off and becoming the ambassador 20 to south korea, and on his facebook page over the last several weeks after he arrived, some of the pictures really heartwarming. he and his wife just had a baby. they have a newborn baby just several weeks old. he posted a lot of pictures of himself walking around seoul relatively alone with his rather

large basset hound and many south korean children coming up to him to play with the dog. a guy that really likes to get out and about, and i don't think you can emphasize enough in terms of his expertise, asia policy was his expertise -- is his expertise, and he has been very excited about being ambassador there. >> obviously, that you know whether or not he will be able to continue to walk around without some sort of close protection we'll have to see. i understand top u.s. military officials in south korea, they obviously have been briefed about the attack as well. >> absolutely anderson. four star army general curtis scalpperotti the top u.s. military official in south korea briefed a short time ago about the incident. the general right now in charge of running the u.s.-south korean military drills. these are fairly routine exercises. of course it has set off a lot of rhetoric in north korea, which is claiming, of course,

that all of these drills are a precursor to an invasion of the north. the general just a few days ago put out a statement reminding everyone that north korea had been notified about these exercises and that they are purely defensive in nature for the u.s. and south korea to exercise their ability to operate in the event of a contingency emergency. all about keeping stability on the peninsula. this incident very disturbing. >> barbara starr, appreciate the update. back now with dan and colonel jacobs reese. the timing of the attack with this military drill underway as barbara star hassed said those are not popular in north korea. it certainly seems like security should be at least a little stronger during contentious events in the region and, again, north korea has sent you know spies, has sent operatives into south korea to kidnap people in the past to attack people. >> i wish i could tell you i was surprised, anderson but i'm not, having spent 17 years of my life in law enforcement, 12 in the security with the secret

service. the assets are limited. i can't say that enough. you know it pains me to say that on cable news but maybe it will spur someone to do something about it. you know outside of the president and the vice president, you know i got to sound the alarm a bit. the security apparatus in the country around some of the foreign dignitaries and people with significant threat wrapping themselves in our flag doing our business overseas is just not adequate. it's just not there. i wish i could tell you something different. >> colonel, how big -- it's always a balance. something like this this man represents the united states. he wants to be able to move relatively freely. he wants to be able to interact with people in a natural way. he wants to be able to shake hands with people and look them in the eye. at the same time the security considerations it's a balance, i guess, in moving forward from here. >> i'm sure it is. you hit it right. no one wants to have a close security detail around them. you've been in those positions before. they're not a lot of fun.

the bottom line is this. gentlemen like that represents the wraits of america. the propaganda that anyone can get by attacking an ambassador high government official the propaganda about that enough showing that the strong america doesn't have a security sense about it to protect their ambassadors abroad it's not good. again, the ambassadors don't want it. been around it my whole life also but it's something we have to do and it becomes part of the puzzle they have to deal with. >> mike does -- i mean in north korea in the past and there's no evidence north korea is in any way involved in this whatsoever but in the past they have sent operatives down into south korea, haven't they? they've kidnapped people and brought them back across the border. >> the north korean have any number of operations including in the late 1950s in a sense that the father of the current president of south korea.

i think it seems very very clear at this point that it could not at all look like something north korea would be involved in. this guy seems to be a loan operator. i'm not suggesting there's any north korean involvement. s in terms of a security profile and the security picture, i would mention that is something that also has to be taken into account. >> there's no question. and, in fact it is a lot of around the residents in seoul, but this is an event across the street from the american embassy. it was a morning breakfast. there are issues related to the station at the korean peninsula. it's not something where you would think that this kind of thing would happen and ambassador lippert has been notably, even by standards of other american ambassadors, very acceptable.

out walking and he even set up a twitter profile for his dog. he has gone out of his way. i remember when i was the -- walking through cnn, i was doing a live interview with the american ambassador and south korean tried to attack him, but the driver had been rained in martial arts and knocked him on his back flat and the interview continued. thez things happen. feelings run strong. there are -- >> a good driver to have there, mike. grat great to have you on. dan, colonel reese, all thanks. because details are still unfolding. we'll keep you updated throughout the hour if we learn anything new, whether -- when the ambassador gets out of surgery. up next what the federal government now calls the pat esh of police racism. many of the protesters in ferguson are marching about. the racist emails that were uncovered.

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three mills melz. presumably the u.s. justice department does. they provided the descriptions. the first one dated april 20th -- april 2011 shows president obama as a chimpanzee. the second from june of that year describes a man seeking welfare for his dogs because they're mixed in color, unemployed lazy, can't speak english, and have no fridayinging clue who their daddies are. the third e-mail from that october shows a bare chested group of dancing women apparently in africa. the caption reads michelle obama's high school reunion. all three and there are more were sent and circulated among members of the police department and court system in ferguson missouri including supervisors. the part of what eric holder has called a searing report from the department of civil rights division 102 pages long and catalog aids pattern of racism in the nearly all white ferguson

police department and a practice of treating citizens mainly african-american citizens targets to be stopped, cited, fined, and threatened with jail time if they do not pay up. >> it's not as a means for protectsing public safety, but as a way to generate revenue. in a community where both policing and municipal practices were found to be disproportionately harmful to african-american residents. >> well the numbers in a city that 67% african-american are telling. african-americans represent a 93% of arrests, 90% of citations, 85% of all traffic stops, and 88% of all force incidents. that's the toxic back drop to the protest that is erupting with the police shooting of michael brown. the police department did not find any federal charges against officer darren wilson. he has since left the force. his boss the police chief, as well as the mayor of ferguson they are still on the job. late today the mayor spoke out.

sarah joins us now from ferguson with more. what did the mayor have to say? >> obviously the doj putting all that information out there to the public first, so he had to make some kind of response. it was him by himself. not the police chief. not the city manager. he talked about the fact that fer going to do things about those problems, and he talked about the fact that they are going to change the fee structure in the courts and they'll cap the revenue that they get from things like fees that they were going to stop fining people for not showing up to court. all things that have really frustrated this community, but the most concrete thing that we heard today in that press conference had to do with those racist emails and what those employees will now face. listen up. this is what the mayor had to say. >> this type of behavior will not be tolerated, and the ferguson police department or in any department in the city of ferguson. immediately upon leaving that meeting, the three individuals were placed on administrative

leave pending an investigation. one has since been terminated. >> i got to say, sir, it's a little bit late for the mayor to suddenly now be shocked that there's racism in ferguson missouri when we were there over the summer i believe it was, and interviewed him. he was saying that there is no racial issue, that there was no racial issue in the police department in the community at large. it's kind of amazing now to suddenly hear him as if the veil has been lifted from his eyes. >> well to be fair about a month after that initial stop in august all that unrest in august bshgs a month after i talked to him about that very same thing because he did come out and say, you know i didn't realize this community was so divided. he said you know i was wrong. i now see it. i didn't realize people were so upset about some of the things that were happening, including these fees including this ticketing, but we're seeing a very very scathing report from the doj, and i do want to mention this.

i just got this information from a source that is -- has knowledge of the investigation. there's two other people that are on administrative leave. we understand they are not going to survive this investigation. they will not be working for the department. one works inside the department but is not an officer. that's a new information exclusive to cnn. as you can tell you know there is a lot of folks here very frustrated very very frustrated with that press conference because nobody got to answer any questions, ask any questions. they got a statement, and then they left. >> the chief of police did he show up? did the chief of police show up to the press conference? >> no. the chief of police wasn't there. the city manager wasn't there. those are the two that are paid you know to do their jobs. the mayor gets something like you know a few hundred dollars a month to do his job. those other two positions are paid positions, and people wanted to hear from them. they help run the city too. especially the police chief because the doj looking very

heavily at the police department. not a word. not a word to us. not a word to anyone else either. >> all right. interesting to see whether there's transparency. sarah, thank you. attorney for officer wilson and general counsel to the st. louis police officers association and legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sonno hoston. these racist emails what do you think? >> i think i'm just as shocked as everyone else, but i'm more shocked, actually at the mayor's reaction. i mean firing three employees that sent some emails. okay. i understand that that may be a start. perhaps scratching the surface, but we're talking about a pattern of practice of systematic racism found by the justice department after reviewing over 35,000 pages of documents and investigating this case, and so you know i found it. >> it's not just three people. >> it's not just three people. i found it woefully inadequate. why did we not hear an apology? why did we not hear an

acceptance of the doj recommendations? to me i just feel like leadership -- there has to be a leadership change, and the mayor shouldn't be there. i don't think that chief jackson should be there, and i suspect that after the attorney general said that these are concrete steps that are going to be taken and everything is on the table, there has to be accountability and i think that accountability starts at the leadership. >> charles, in this report they talk about one incident an african-american man had an argument in his apartment. police responded. had he pulled the guy out of the apartment by force. he then tells the officer you don't have a reason to lock me up. the officer responds with the n-word and says i can find something to lock you up on. there were a number of people in this report who use racial epitaths and things like that. are you surprised by this? >> it's not a surprise but, i mean the racially charged emails that's actually the easy

part right, because you can get rid of those people and identify who did it and get rid of that person. the bigger part is the systemic part of it. the architecture of authority that is being used as an instrument of oppression because it's not about hurt feelings. this is about poor people to a large degree, many of them african-american people who are getting the short end of the stick, and this is real money. right? if you are running basically a debtor's prison if you -- if there are so many fines on people that they cannot pay them, and then they get -- they have to report to jail. that is a person who has now been taken out of the family. it's money that family cannot use. every time somebody makes the argument that there are too many people on welfare. well every time we engage in these sorts of practices, we're taking money away from actual families real money that real people need and could use. when they were talking about in that report about sales taxes going down well sales taxes are going to go down. these things are feeding on each other. if you take money out of

people's pockets that they could be spending on goods and services and you charge it to them in fees it's going to be into pocket. of course the sales taxes are going down. there's a limited amount of money. this is not about hurt feelings. i want people to understand that. >> it shouldn't be about financial -- >> this should be about public safety. >> i topt bring in neil here. you know, a couple of things. first of all, the justice department decided not to pursue federal civil rights charges against darren wilson. he was your client. what did he have to say to that and also i'm just wondering, would you are take on what the justice department found. this report is scathing. >> let me start with darren. of course he is relieved and glad that it's over. it's been a very long road for him. again, the 86 page report that was prepared by the justice department is a very thorough report and i have said all along that we of course had to be very careful to not reach any opinions or conclusions until we've seen it all. we have now seen it all. that 86-page report really does

set out in great detail the reasons why there should be no prosecution, and we're glad for now. i wanted them to approach this with the same vigor that they claim they were going to do this investigation. i think that the justice department has just like in its 102 page report has a duty to make sure that people understand why they made the decisions they made regarding their -- and i think that has to be clear. if you are going to have confidence in the justice department's decision then you have to really explain it to people. even people that don't want to listen. again, you have to make that clear. i'm glad. in temz of the second report you know again, i have looked at that. i have read it. it's a terrible indictment of the situation. now, again, i don't know all the facts. it's not an apartment that i represent. again, it really does speak to the larger problems that we have that i have been talking about now for at least several months. >> we don't talk about policing or race. >> we got to go because we get

so much breaking news on the attack of the ambassador. now all the talk about transparency and this police department the chief of police to not even show up to the press conference and, you know -- >> it's remarkable. >> stand up and say, you know we have a problem or it's just these people or whatever it is but to not even show up and leave this mayor who is a part-time guy -- >> it's remarkable. it's remarkable that people are saying we don't know all the facts. well just look at the over 100 page document. i think wechb a lot of the facts. >> what about the chief of police? does it surprise anyone that he didn't even show up? >> where he it does. today then fire three people as though gee, we just found out today? again, i don't know all the facts. we don't know all the facts. even the justice department which is 100 pages long has a lot of anecdotal information. >> a lot of facts too, neil. >> unavoidable. the conclusions are unavoidable, and i do think that the idea that today all of a sudden they would decide look we're going to fire three people? again, it seems like a knee jerk reaction to me tooshgs and i think there's a lot of the explaining that has to be done.

we've got a long road we have to travel. >> no doubt about that. neil appreciate you being on. breaking news. new video of the carnage and mayhem moments after the boston marathon bombings nearly two years ago. strangers rushing to help strangers, making turniquettes out of anything they could find. we'll show it to you. [ male announcer ] how do you make cancer a thing of the past? well...you use the past. huntsman cancer institute has combined 300 years of family histories with health records to discover inherited genes for melanoma, breast colon and ovarian cancers. so we can predict and treat cancer. and sometimes even prevent it from happening in the first place. to learn more or support the cause go to huntsmancancer.org.

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and a simple statement through the defendant's lawyer judy clark. it was him, she said. he did it. prosecutors played video unseen by all of us until now that shared what dzhokhar tsarnaev and his brother it. first, the explosion that shakes the buildings. people immediately afterwards some covering their ears. many in shock. also ordinary people taking extraordinary life-saving action. some of them taking items of clothing from the store, making -- rushing outside into the terrible scene. doing whatever they could to try to save people's lives. >> did the defendant build the bombs as he claumz to have done with instrucks he found on-line, or is there someone else, a master bombmaker still on the loose? alexander field is working that angle. sfwroo first, as suspect one and suspect two, but almost immediately after the manhunt that left one dead and the other

captured investigators privately questioned if there were more involved. the reason for the doubts the bombs. court documents reveal questions from the beginning about whether the brothers were capable of making them. these relatively sophisticated devices would have been difficult for the tsarnaevs to fabricate. sempz of the tsarnaev's residences three vehicles and other locations associated with them yielded virtually no traces of black powder. of the two remote-controlled detonators used during the marathon bombings only one was recovered. nearly two years later the doubts still linger. >> these were two relatively sophisticated devices that went off almost simultaneously. they had a very very short delay. it would be my opinion that they had somebody who was more of a skilled bomb maker and engineer if you will assist them in

saying these are the steps you need to go through. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev said he and his brother acted alone and built the bombs following instruction from al qaeda's inspire making sfwleen. investigators say the explosives were made with improvised fuses from christmas lights and remote controlled detonators made from model car parts. not impossible but hard to get right without testing. and the government has never said where the bombs were made or if there's evidence the tsarnaevs tested others. >> that is a big gap in the evidentiary case. >> is it possible that police still believe to this day that somebody helped these brothers build a bomb? >> in the absence of any proof that they had the capability to do it there will continue to be investigations about whether there could have been three, four five others. >> but who? no one has been publicly named as a possible co-conspirator. investigators have focused on the suspected ties to militants. in 2012 the older tsarnaev spent

six months in russia. authorities have kwetd how much exposure he may have had to radicals and whether he could have received training there. it's not clear if either side will suggest that there may have been a third party involved in the attack but the defense will try to pin the blame on others. >> the defense strategy is going to be to create enough doubt within the jurors' mind of swroe car's sort of mental state leading into this. this idea that there might be some evil hand out there telling dzhokhar what to do whether it's his brother or someone who is a bomb maker, fits nicely into that narrative. >> the trial centers on how the jury will see suspect number two. the prosecution painting a portrait of a co-conspirator an equal partner in hideous crimes radicalized through internet research spewing the rhetoric of al qaeda. hey aman who planned to kill and

did. the defense will draw dzhokhar into the mastermind of the older brother. younger, struggling in school abandoned by his parents. an easy victim of deep manipulation from suspect number one. >> alexandra field joins us now. >> the prosecutor is pushing more blame on the oerld brother, huh? >> absolutely, anderson, and that's the strategy. the prosecution really doesn't have to get into who built this bomb or where it was built. they have to prove swroe car's role in the commission of the crimes he is accused of and the defense has frankly already conceded those points. the defense right now has to focus on the sentencing phase of this trial. the death penalty is on the table. their strategy is to prove that the older brother was the mastermind. they believe that could create sympathy for dzhokhar and then we have to see if that sympathy is enough to spare him his life when it comes to the jury's decision here anderson. >> alec anned are a field. just ahead, russia he's opposition leader who was gunned down in moscow in what some say

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the death of opposition leader boris n emt sov. mourners gather to mourn him after he was gunned down after he was walking near the cream lynn. he was one of the most outspoken critics of russian president vladimir putin. putin today called the killing a disgrace. last year cnn's anthony bordain spoke to him about politics corruption and about vladimir putin. it was an exchange they had over dinner that hasn't been seen before where bordain asked if he was afraid of getting killed. take a look. >> given the worrying connection between angering vladimir putin and bad things happening, are you concerned? >> me? >> yeah. >> about myself? >> yeah. >> pain in the ass. >> i'm concerned generally, generally. i want to tell my family are much more concerned than me because if are you concerned every minute the best way is to be killed.

>> why can't you just go on like everybody elts? why do you have to be you know -- why make life difficult for yourself? >> well -- >> this is good question. first, i'm well known guy. this is safety. because if something happened with me it will be scandal not only in moscow city but the world. >> anthony bordain joins me now. he thought in a his notoriety would protect him. >> he was wrong. he didn't seem concerned when i had dinner with him. i really think he enjoyed being who he was. he was fully aware of the danger of the situation in general, and i think he was not surprised by the corruption and the extent of the corruption going on around

him, but you heard what he said. i think he believed that his stature, his position his international profile would protect him. >> i talk to gary a couple of days ago, and he described him as a larger than life character. >> handsome cocky, sure of himself. incredibly smart guy. funny. a dangerous man to you know people who -- he is criticizing. >> do you have any doubt that vladimir putin was behind this either directly or -- >> n emt sov maintains that it is a criminal culture essentially. he says elsewhere in the interview, you know the states canada even scandinavia have problems with corruption but here hes corruption is the culture. it is the way business is done.

it is the system. he is potentially a criminal enterprise. if you worked for a new york crime family and you shut -- shot somebody and left them on the front lawn of the boss without his okay you would be in bad -- bad things would probably happen to you. i think the person who did this wants everyone to know who done it. i don't think there's any mystery. i put it to n emt sov at one point. i don't think there's any mystery about the litvinenko case. someone poisoned this loud critic of putin in central london with radioactive -- they could have shot him or stabbed him. they could have pushed him into a river. no. in central london at a sushi bar an extremely rare extremely expensive radioactive substance was introduced into this man just as with n emt sov, he could

have been killed in a dark alley. he was shot within sight of the kremlin. i think the state of mind is such that whoever did this assumes everyone knows and is pretty sure that no one will do anything about it and i also think they're right. >> i want to play something else he said to you about other putin critics that have either ended up in jail ended up being killed or left. >> i don't think you need to be a conspiracy they'rist to say whoer did this very much wanted everyone to know who done it. >> everybody understands, and everybody is meant to understand. >> everyone understands. everybody understands everything. >> right. >> in this country. >> i mean, he didn't seem to have a sense of humor about it all. i guess in that situation what else are you going to have? >> when you are fully aware of the intricate details of corruption so enormous so

outrageous so blatant day after day after day, i mean you better have a sense of humor or you go mad, and he did have a sense of humor. >> is it strange to have met this guy and realized -- i mean because now, you know you and i -- you talked to a journalist in iran who is now kept and now n emt sov. is it -- >> there was a sense he made you believe that he was untouchable. our dinner was supposed to be at one of the best restaurants in moscow. we had it all arranged in advance. when the chef owner found out that n emt sov was coming he immediately said no no no way. i don't want -- this guy is radioactive. i don't want to be seen with him or bad things might happen to me. i believed you know he made me believe that he would live forever. he was -- he had that assurance, sense of humor. he seemed to not be worried in

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we understand from the name and from the photo that this attacker this man is the same man who actually attacked the japanese ambassador to south korea back in 2010. this was when he actually threw a slab of concrete at the ambassador. that ambassador was not injured, was not affected by this. we do understand that he does have a previous criminal record. we have also seen that he heads up a blog on-line, and in that blog we see a photo of him from february 24th when he is protesting outside the u.s. embassy and protesting against these joint military drills between the u.s. and south korea which anger north korea so much, saying that they are jeopardizing the relations between north and south and jeopardizing family reunions between north and south, so clearly, we can see that he does have a history of being angry about what the u.s. is doing. clearly, police will be looking at that very closely. anderson. >> raises more questions about the security situation and how

much did they vet the people who are in the room? what more now needs to change moving forward for the u.s. ambassador and other u.s. ambassadors and other places that are considered safe? that does it for us. anthony bordain "parts unknown" starts now. ♪ ng special. such a beautiful day. >> probably right. >> absolutely. now we're coming to the most beautiful fascination site the forest of birch. good place.