al neighborhood nearby and it could have been worse. the ntsb are at the scene. h his son ben tweeted that cad is at the hospital. dad is okay. battered, but okay. he is every bit the man you would think he is. he is incredibly strong man. this is c nshgs nshgsnn breaking news. i'm don lemon, and harrison ford seriously injured in the crash of a world war ii training plane. listen to emergency call from the plane. >> sky, e engine failure. request immediate return. >> he was taken to the hospital and his son ben tweeting from the hospital, dad is okay. battered, but okay. he is every bit the man that you would think that he is.

he is an incredibly strong man. ford's publicist says that the 72-year-old star's injuries are not life threatening, and we have the latest on the condition for you. >> and disaster diverted by inches. look at how close this delta flight came to the fringes around laguardia and the passengers tell us the story to night. and also, the boston marathon bomber on trial, and more on the chaotic moments after the bomb exploded in the crowd. >> and beginning with the story we led with about harrison ford. kyung lah is with us to night. all of this happened near the airport where harrison ford took off, and what is the latest? >> so far the ntsb says it is engine trouble and he was trying to turn around to get back to

the airport, and then this, the extraordinary landing. this is what is so extraordinary, because we can see the tree that this tree hit. some of the branchs are broken. and the small swath of green that you are looking at this is a golf course and the nose you can see it right there, and it is bent into the ground, and the propeller is kug into the grass, be look at the body of the plane, itself, and it doesn't appear that it is really that affected. so harrison ford wasn't crushed at all, but he was seriously injured, and the people here did try to help him to get out. but the extraordinary thing is that he managed to land here. neighbors heard the engine stall. here is what one told us. >> reporter: what do you think about the way he landed? in the green space some. >> well, it is amazing that he made it back. i mean he must be a very good pilot, and i think that he has got my neighbor knows him, and say thas

says that he has a number of planes, and he must be a very good pilot and not just acting as well. >> reporter: you can see how the plane, and how close the plane is to me. it is only 30 feet from me, and i'm about 50 feet from the nearest house. the neighbor who i was speaking with said that it is absolutely extroord mare that he managed to land right here and avert all of these homes. don don. >> i will second that kyung. and what about the extent of ford's injuries this is. >> as far as we know, he is in stable condition, and some of the eyewitnesses here have said that they did see him bleeding profusely from the the head. he was taken to a local hospital and he is in stable condition, but they are going to be watching him, because any time you bang up the head, they are concerned about that. >> kyung lah, very near the wreckage of the plane, and thank you. we will get back to you if we get more information. join ging me is phil crumb who saw the plane crash and tweeted the news and he is also a plane himself, and he joins me by

television. good ooef ngevening, phil. you were driving to work when you saw the crash, and with what did you see? >> good eve thissing in, don. yes, i witnessed a single-engine aircraft which is evidently mr. ford's and it was departing much lower than aircraft typically do, and i saw it descend below the treelines and then the land on the golf course. >> you knew that something was wrong, because it was fly ging too low? >> precisely. i did not hear the plane at this point, and the engine was no longer functional and nothing to hear, but it was not normal at that point. >> and the plane crashed at penn mar golf course close to santa monica airport, and did you realize that it was headed in the wrong direction or you just saw the plane flying too low? >> at that point the aircraft was, the golf course is straight off of the end of the runway and at that point, mr. ford was taking off as he normally would be except that the engine was no longer functional and he could

not keep going. >> being a pilot yourself do you know how common the engine failures are like this or how common for engine failures like this? >> it is very unusual before a pilot takes off, whether it is a large aircraft or a pilot myself just on our own time, because you run a series of checks to try to make sure that everything is correct and nothing like this will happen. occasionally, it does, and in situation situations like that mr. ford did everything right. >> all right. thank you very much. i appreciate phil crumm joining us. harrison ford hospitalized tonight after crash landing his plane on the golf course, and he made his name after flying the millennium falcon in "star wars" and he is a pilot's pilot who loves to fly as much as acting. joining us is paul mitt tennesseemitt en who loves to fly and shares his

passion. and so can you tell us about the particular plane and what you know about harrison ford? >> well hello, don. about this plane, it is a world war ii trainer. and trainers are inherently stable the, and for giving aircraft, because you are putting a brand new pilot into the plane and expecting him to fly it and keep mitt the air, and avoid other aircraft and talk on the radios and listen to in instructor and a lot of stuff going on. so a train ser aer is a nice docile aircraft which is ha what gave harrison the ability to get it on the ground and make a fairly safe landing. than thekfully that golf course is pretty much at the end of santa monica airport runway and he experienced the engine failure right after take off so that he was presented with the big green runway in front of him, and albeit with the e trees scattered around it which he did

an incredible job of missing. had he gone a little bit fur further, he would have been over solid suburbia and the outcome could have been a whole lot different, and not as happy. thankfully. >> and so when you look at this the trees around him, and in the area, and also, you heard the neighbor from the correspondent kyung lah there saying that it is pretty close to the homes, but it looks like it takes a skilled pilot to land in these kind cans -- kinds of conditions when you have conditions like that? what kind of pilot is he? >> harrison is a very good pilot, and in fact, a friend of mine did an idaho back country flying with a friend in a cessna 182 which a four-seat cessna, and bit more power han the cessna and while he was flying into the country strips in the middle of a mountain pass with mountains on either side and trees on ooeteither side of the

runway and one option to land he found harrison's plane parked at the same airport strip. and harrison's plane, the haviland beaver is larger and seats six people, and used all over the northwest to haul cargo, and tons of power and the tail dragger which make ss it a little bit more challenging to land meaning that the main wheel s are in the front, and then a tail e wheel at the back of the aircraft once you slow down that the wheel will touch the ground. so you are basically kind of landing on two wheels and balancing the whole thing while it is on the ground. so yeah, he is a very skilled pilot. it is not your average pilot that flies that kind of thing, and obviously flying the e millennial falcon also takes skill. >> and thank you for joining us

now producer of "just another pilot, paul mitton. and joining us is miles o'brien, our cnn air aviation correspondent, and also a former ip vest gator of the ntsb. and so when you see the front of the plane almost knocked off, what does that reveal miles? >> what i see there, don s the end result of a fairly textbook landing at the end of a golf course, and we should point out to people that when you are flying the plane solo, you are supposed to sit in the back seat where he was appropriately which gave him extra measure of safety in the front of the aircraft is fairly crumpled.

and he clipped a tree coming down, and according to the ntsb and perilously crosse to making it back to the runway and maybe hitting the tree may have made the decision of landing and bringing it down to relatively safe land manage the golf course was a good one. >> you know, i want to lis ep miles and david, to the air traffic control audio and then talk about it. >> 53718, engine failure, requesting immediate return. >> clear to land. >> go to three. >> 53178, clear to land. >> and you can hear him saying, engine failure, and he is a seasoned pilot, and how challenging to land on the golf course, david? >> extreme thely challenging, but miles, i want to know what textbook has that landing on the golf course in it, but nonetheless, i am going to be

celebrating the fact that he can. >> and the instructor always told me look for the golf courses because they are good places if you lose the engine. >> i am smiling and celebrating the fact that he did celebrate this, because it is the excellent landing, but what i want to talk about, don, is how the air traffic controller responded, because there is a lot going on in the background that people don't know about. so when he said i need to e return to the runway, what he is assuming is he would come can back to the runway 21 which is the direction coming in the other way, but he had made a quick turn, and maybe a shondell or quick turn back to the other runway and that air traffic controller immediately said, clear to the land and he had to clear every other traffic in the background and making sure that there is nothing else in the way. and once you have declared a emergency, it is up to the air traffic controller to make sure there is nothing to hamper your re return back, and he did a great job to do that. >> and set great to the smile

considering what could have happened. thank you, gentlemen. we have a lot more of the breaking news. harrison ford injured in the crash of a small plane. when we we come back, a man who shares the star's passion for flying james lipton insooidide of the bureau. and also, a close call at laguardia.

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pilot himself, and host of bravo's television show. how are you to night? >> well very good. i was having a birthday dinner and i got word that this happened and i'm very, very relieved to hear that he is okay. >> and considering what we could have been talking about today, and the kind of tragedy that we could have been talking about here. >> yes. of course. >> and he has described the love of flying and what has he said to you. sgr when he was on "inside the actors studio" he has talked about flying a lot. i have had a number of pilots tom cruise angelina jolie, and john travolta and harrison ford ford, and so many others, but when i have had others come

"insooid t "inside the actors studio" and there they is sit, and here we are on the stage talking not about acting or theater or film but about airplanes. you get two pilots together and they will talk. and then finally, i have to call it off. the night that he was on my show, and we talked about flying to such a degree -- >> well, we have a sound bite of it and let's listen to it and then we will talk about it. >> oh, i'd love to hear it. >> and this is not -- this is him talking about it. sorry, this is not from the show. do we have that? okay. let's play it. >> freedom for me in the air. big freedom. great responsibility. i love training. actually i love take theing on new challenges. i like to challenge myself. i always make shurure that i don't

overchallenge myself. i have had a lot of good people look after me, and help keep me safe. >> that is are from the dock documentary "just another pilot." it was not from your show, but as you can see and hear it was his passion along with acting. >> well you know that you called it. >> yes, of course. >> you, when you are at the oak, and when you are at the airplane and flying it one person or whatever the number of people in the plane, you are what is called p.i.c. pilot in command. and pilot in command means that you are responseible for the moment that you rotate and take off until you land. you are responsible for getting that plane and anybody in it up into the air, and back down safely on the ground. and you know the definition of a good landing among pilots? do you know? >> no, go ahead. >> a good landing is one that you walk away from.

>> i think that i have heard it but i didn't want to say the wrong thing on the air. how determined do you believe, mr. lipton do you believe that mr. harrison ford will be to get back into the sky again? >> oh, he le hoh he will be determined. he will get back in the sky again. i should say that when i do the show i don't have anything to eat on the day, because we are on the stage for three or four hours, and the guest comes on and the like going 15 round, and so obviously, i don't eat before the show and i'm almost always famished and i said to the guest after the show, and how would you like to go up to elaine's and have some supper with my wife and i. and so we went up to elaine's and elaine fed us and he sat down on the chair, and he wiped the brow and he sat back with a

gasp and i said, what sis the matter, and he said, i did not sleep for three nights before i was on your show. he said i was so scared. i said for god's sakes, you are indiana jones, and then we talked about airplanes until 2:00 in the morning. and my wife had heard about it so many times before, and we had a long long talk about air airplanes, but he is a great pilot by the way. >> and james lipton, thank you very much, and happy birthday to your wife. thank you for coming on. >> thank you very much. i wish him well. i hope that he does every good thing from now on and flies his tail off. >> our sentiments exactly. thank you very much. coming up, another flight goes very wrong. a delta jet slides off tofof the runway at new york's laguardia runway and nearly ends up in the water. i will talk to a pas sensenger who escaped next.

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more break news to tell you about. take a look at these, live pictures from new york's laguardia airport.

you can see the operation under way right now to pull that delta jet off of an em banbankment next to the runway. again, this is happening live pictures and you can see the cranes set up to pull the jet off of the runway. late the this morning, flight 1086 from atlanta, it skidded off of the runway while land manage the snowstorm crashing into the em ban kbankment, and the plane's nose busting through the fence, and 132 people got off safely and three people with minor injuries went to hospitals. we rare joined by one man on the plane. how are you doing? >> doing, great, don. >> did you think that it was over? >> as i told the folks earlier in the day, there was a few seconds earlier in the day when i was bracing the seat in front of me, and literally a few seconds where i thought that this is either a repeat of what my buddy dave sanderson went

through on the hudson river a few years ago or up, and god was calling me home and my time was up and will was an array of emotions in the plane in the 20 seconds when we were skidding off of the runway and literally came to a screeching halgt with the nose of the airplane facing the water. when we looked and itp stopped no one move and everybody was completely silent, and people were breathing a sigh of relief ment as i looked to the left, some of the photos that i sent to the folks in the media, you can see how close we were to the water. and obviously, it made you really grateful for the protection that god had provided for also the amazing job that the pilot did. >> and the embankment that kept you from going into the water. >> absolutely. >> and i have to ask, and maybe not anything, but the x on the hand represent anything? >> no this is for end it movement and you did a major piece around human trafficking

and that. >> i thought maybe they were accounting for the passengers on board. >> no. >> and how did the passengers handle it and what was the flight crew tell theing you guy ss >> and so, when we were about to land, at first air traffic control and the pilot got on the intercom, he stated that we were going to be delayed because of the snow and the ice on the ground. so we kind of circled the city the metro city for a period of time, and then he was given the clearance, and he announced that we had been given the clearance of air traffic control to land, so obviously, as we approached everyone was for mall and nothing abnormal but as soon as the wheels touched down, the experienced flyers knew that something was up, because you did not feel the wheels take. there was no traction or leverage, and within a matter of split seconds, we were off, and it felt like we were off of the runway and obviously going, and as you feel the bumpy ground you start to think, oh, my gosh,

holy, crap, this is is big, and serious, and we could end up in the water. some folks were praying and some screaming, and some babies and young kids on board, and couple of pregnant mothers on board, and a lady up front who was in the media and she was frantic, and just an array of emotions from the passengers obviously with what we were go ging through. >> yes, and you have three children 10, 12, 14. >> yes, doi. >> i am sewer they were on your mind and the family as well. >> yes. >> what was going through your mind? >> well, as i, again, as i landed and everybody stood there and sat in the seats, i was extremely grateful and grateful for god's protection, and the children that god gave me and grateful for the extended family, and the community i have and one of the things they thought about and i love what my minister louie giglio says god writes the story, and he is not done with writing the stories of all of the passengers on the plane, and i want to give the

pilot a huge hug who came out to tell us how the deplane the plane. i said that i have to go to the bathroom and he said sir, this is not a good time, but again, accolades for him, because he handled it cool as a cucumber and showed the leadership. >> you fly a lot for work. >> i do. >> and because of that you get an upgrade to sit in first class, and often we are thinking it is great to be up there, but you are safer many -- safer in the back. >> no, i noeknow whose hands i sit in, and i'm fine sitting up front, if that is where i get, so no no fears or qualls on my part. >> so what do you say to the family when you see them? >> i give my kids a big hug and tell them how much i love them

and for the gift of being their dad. >> very nice. jared, we are so happy that you rare okay and all of the passengers on board. >> thank you, thank you. >> best of luck to you. >> thank you. absolutely. >> and now, back with me, miles o'brien, and david soucie, and what a story he tells there, guys. guys. >> i should say. >> yes. >> and it gets real in those situations and mile ss you know better than anybody else, because your whole life goes you know passes through you and you realize, what is really important. >> yeah, yeah. it is -- not the best way to learn a lesson, but it is a good lesson, isn't it if you walk away from a day like today at laguardia and say, everyday is worth living, and i want to make the most of it, it is all right. >> yeah. >> you know passengers say everything seemed normal up the till the plane touched down and started to skid. so take us through what a pilot is facing on the runway and especially in the bad weather. do you want to do it david or miles to do it? >> well let miles do that one.

>> and go ahead, miles. >> all right. start out with laguardia airport with 7,000 feet of runway, it is a varsity airport landing site for sure for experienced airliners. the md-88 needs about 1,000 landing runway, and on this day, the ceiling is low and the navigation equipment will allow you the land this in worse weather, and so it chose to land on the runway even though the wind did not favor it, so this particular airplane had a quartering tailwind meaning a crosswind component. and two things were happening. you had very close to the minimums for waeteather. and you had a plane that was going faster over the ground because of a tailwind and they were battling a crosswind at the same time. and add to that, freezing rain situation, and frozen fog was on

the forecastt that moment, and so you have what we call ta contaminated runway slick runway. so a lot of things conspireing to make it a very difficult landing landing. what happened, we don't know yet, and was there some sort of mechanical failure or just not get the traction we don't know. >> and do you guys remember this, because we have the picture of as i looked at the pictures today, i thought back to 1994 and similar incident, and it almost looks like the very same picture where the plane skids off of the runway and goes right to that embankment and it saves it from going all of the way into the water, and what is it about laguardia david? the short runway or something about this particular airport that it happens? >> well, it is not necessarily, if you look at the two different accidents, there is a lot of differences in that one of the aircraft, the first one in 1994 was trying to take off aborted landing and trying the get back on the ground but what is common is the idea to triy to get

on the ground. now, there are little switches on the landing gear, and the little switches unless they are closed and unless you make a good solid landing, the thrust reversers that come out of the back of the engines, and kind of serve as the air brakes for the aircraft and the spoilers that come up to spoil the lift on top of the wing those don't deploy until you have a good solid land landing, and they call them squat switches. when they deploy and until that happens, you won't get any reverse thrust from the engines which you rely on with a slick runway, because your braking effectiveness may not with pbe as good as on a dry runway, and so as miles said a quarter, and the downwind leg, and you are landing with a wind, so everything is at the for thele mall windspeed, and the speed of the wind behind you. so to get the aircraft down in the solid manner when you are hesitant to dropping it down on the slick runway sometimes the landing squat switches don't go

together, and some of the witnesses said that the landing gear that it kind of bounce edd a little bit, and they could tell right up front that it was not a good solid hit on the ground. >> and runway length has nothing to do with it, because when i land at la xward ya, it is almost immediately, they put on the brakes and if you rare not holding, everything is going to fly forward. >> yes, and that is the stress reversers, and if you can't get the thrust reversers out in time the short runway is definite ly definitely an issue. >> let's listen to the port authority, and what they said. they said that the conditions on the run wayway before the accident were acceptable, and that the runway was plow and in good condition. take a listen real quick. >> shortly before the incident of approximately 11:05 two planes landed and reported good braking action on the runways and this particular runway had been plowed shortly before the incident. and the pilots on other planes had reported ded good braking

action. >> what does that tell you, miles? >> well, it is important for the port awe horuthority to keep the landing proper in the runway despite the bad landing, and it is clear for other pilots to understand what is going on. but you have to understand that this is a dynamic situation, because it is shifting from rain to freezing rain and shifting to snow at the time. and one of the things that the airports do is to send a truck out there with a gadget behind it which is going to measure the friction of the runway to make some clear determination to make sure that the braking action is good, medium or nil. and the other thing they need to rely on is the pilot reports, and every time a plane lands in the situations, the controllers will ask them for a report and if the pilot says nil or no braking action, they will shut it down to clean it off, and sometimes the pilots are are reluck tant tore re -- reluctant to do the that. >> miles and david, thank you so

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powerful words in a boston courtroom today. "i knew my legs were gone." that is testimony from one of the survivors of the boston marathon bombing who took the stand on day two of the dzhokhar tsarnaev trial. >> reporter: seen for the first time, this crowd seen outside of the restaurant before the second bomb is placed, and then what is left moments later. smells of sulfur burning hair fireworks, the fourth of july witnesses say, filling the air. the same spot where william

richards' family was all together for the last time. his daughter jane losing her leg, and his brother loses his life. a after the blast, closer to the finish line time slows down. i recall think ing thating that we should go, and the second bomb explodes as they try to. his wife denise and another son, henry, also injured in the blast. outside of the forum restaurant roseanne is bleeding out, and waiting for help, she gives police her sister's phone number, because she said i could not have somebody call my parents and tell them that i died on boylston street. officer thomas harrison plucks a 3-year-old boy, leo, out of the chaos, but nearby medics could do no more for lindsey lao. nurse stays with her until the end. her whole body was shaking,

quivering. krystle campbell could not be saved. officer frank gio lshgsla fought for her life. it was like being under water says allan in how he found his son. there was a crater about as big of my hand and mangled flesh and blood and something that you would see in a war movie, like he was hit by a hand grenade. on the second day of the dzhokhar's trial, the jury hears from the combing through the surveillance videos he hears from a witness of tamerlan tsarnaev i just saw him, and he

didn't look like he was watching the race and it was odd. this is caught with him and the man in the cowboy hat. the world already knew his face. when he woke up in the hospital missing both legs he remembered this face. at that point, it was pretty clear in my mind what happened. he said i know what happened. alexander field, cmn, boston. >> oh, man. joined now by mel rob bininson and cnn analyst and also by a man who was running the marathon that fateful day and dr. shaw it is so difficult to the hear the event oss of that day, and when you see the photographs, it brings it back like it was yesterday. >> it does. it does. i think that living here in boston since that time, it is not something that goes away any time.

so we are sort of living it year-round, and year-round, and i think that the marathon, itself sort of xem pli fis the awakening for boston every year, so we are trying to remember the good things, with but now with the trial going on, i think that we are all hoping for a little bit of closure. >> and you know mel, this is the second day of the extremely graphic and emotion alal testimony. 260 people injured and three killed that day, and that has to impact the jury. >> oh, there is no question don. in particular you know while we don't have the video feed out of the courtroom, you can read some of the details, and in particular you know from martin richards'father and it is possibly one of the most heart wrenching things that you will ever read in your life when you read that he as a father had to the make a decision to leave his son dying, don, because

jane's leg his 6-year-old was blown off, and they knew that they had to get her to the hospital to save her and richard was already -- i mean martin was already dying. i mean, this is testimony that if you are ever going to sway a jury that is on the fence about the death penalty, this is the kind that would. >> dr. shah, and you were one of the heroes about to cross the finish line and you were doing so many heroic things but you have mixed feelings when it come comes to the death penalty when it comes to sarn nef and why is that? >> well, it is something that i have never had to think much about in my personal life and topics that interest me and i think that from my standpoint, whether it is life in prison or the death penalty, the most important thing for people who are injured at the marathon, affected by the marathon and the people who are concerned for

the people here is that justice is served and however the verdict comes out, justice will be served a ndnd i think that we can now look forward to the marathon as something to sell celebrate the city of boston rather than something that brings sadness to everybody here. >> mel n the short time in the short time we have left he talks about closure, and the sadness, do you believe that there is a particular verdict to help more the death penalty or anything like that? >> you know i don't -- and the reser research shows that the death penalty doesn't provide victims the sense of closure that they are seek, because it does not bring your families back. and here's the bottom line, whether he gets the death penl penalty or sentenced to life without the possibility of parole he is dying the this h prison, and it is a matter of life whether we are going to kill him or he is going to be rotting away in some cell and

hopefully forgotten, don. >> thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> thank you, don. >> and coming up, bill weer is traveling the globe on the new show "the wonder list" visiting the most remote places, and he is going to tell you where he is headed to next. sfx: common city background noise ♪ credit belongs to the man who strives valiantly who errs who spends himself in a worthy cause and who, if he fails

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will take us are from the taj ma mahal to the ga lopolous. >> oh, that is the volcano there. >> and now, you are sitting there and with the new gig, and how are you liking that? >> oh, this is the best time. this is the best time. this is fun, this is fun, but there are limitations of the time and space when you have to be live everyday. and like to get off of the planes in new countries and talking to all kinds of people. >> where to this time? we watched you last week spearfish with finding the volcano and this week exotic animals in the galapgos.

>> well, if we put it in our age terms, well shgs, if we pretend that the earth is h my age, 46 and human beings showed up four months ago, and the industrial revolution was 60 seconds ago a and in that time, we have cut down the for est, and dammed most of the rivers and so a lot of the species are going away, but in the galapagos they are trying to stop it. >> so in darwin's old stomping grounds, you are going to try to go face to face with speecies that very few humans ever see up close. i think that you are nuts sometimes, but let's watch this. >> i am headed to a deserted animal with a cold-blooded killer. all right. oh, this is is cool. people don't get to step on

this. >> oh, no people don't get to come here, champion island. >> reporter: his name is carl campbell and big hearted in the name of animals, but cold-blooded in the name of what he is willing to do to save them. >> reporter: i hear the cheap or the chirp. and he has brought me up here to show what has inspired darwin's idea more than any other. hey, what's up buddy? i have come a long way to see you. the florian mockingbird. look at that. he doesn't seem to mind. >> right. when darwin came here, he collected the guys with a stick. >> he just whacked them with a stick. stick. >> just whacked them with a stick. that is how naive they are. >> they don't know how the fear man yet? >> they don't know how to fear anything, because they don't have any predators out here. >> there are maybe 90 left? >> 90 total, and one of the

world's rarest birds. >> why so important? >> well, it is one of darwin's most important species and influenced the ideas on more than any other birds as well, but the idea is that we broke it, and we should fix it, and the reason that bird is endangered is three reasons, human beings who brought rats and cats to the home eyeisland, and they have eaten the egg, and gone after the giant tortoise eggs as well but that guy, karl campbell helped to the save endangered species of goats. >> and why do you call him the cold blooded killer? >> well he shot 200,000 goats from the air, and so we have reach ed reached a point in human evolution where we are forced to play god in deciding which animals have to die so these few can live. >> and you were mentioning this because you have encountering the tortoises here. >> yes, they are the size of the

desk, and amaze, and what happens when the whalers a and the pie pirates were-- pirates were sailing, you can flip them upside down and they would eat the tortoise stew and they would then eat it and it is a fascinating study of the unintended consequences and how fast something can go. and darwin knew they were overhunt overhunted, but they brought a few back on the "beagle" and they were still hunted. >> and where next? >> we are going to an island to the greece where people live to be 100 at a staggering rate but now they are getting junk food and facebook, and now they are at risk. >> and now, i want to spin and you will close the eyes and point, point, and that is where you are going to go. okay. okay. where does it say? >> san diego.

>> no! >> no, you have me down here in cabo san lucas down there. and there are great stories down, there and the monarch butterfly migration, that is on the wonderful list hopefully for season two. >> i would go the cabo. i could stay in the hoetel, and you could go out to look for the endangered margaritas. >> thank you, man. >> thank you, don. >> we will be right back. thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now. could've parked a little bit closer... it's gonna be dark by the time i get there. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years.

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that is it for us to night. i'm don lemon and thank you for watching. "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news to night. we are about to learn much more about the emergency landing that put actor harrison ford in the hospital to night. that is his plane there on the santa monica golf course where he crash land eded. we are expecting a press conference from the ntsb and this