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breaking news on the report of malaysia flight 370. the interim report is out what is called a massive failure of air traffic control. we will break it all down for you. plus. >> what is today? >> tony robinson. >> protesters for the second straight day as madison, wisconsin, police, attempt a teen shot by a police officer was not armed. for the first time, president obama speaks out about the private e-mail used by his first secretary of state. but hillary clinton, she's keeping her mouth shut. your "new day" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> it is 7:00. 7:01 to be exact in case you
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have not looked at the clock today and you think you have an extra hour. >> that could of happened, by the way! >> it could have, yes. >> i'm joe johns in for victor black well. >> i'm christi paul. one year after malaysia airlines flight 370 van issued without a trace, investigators say the plane's captain and crew showed no signs of stress before it took off. >> we just received hundreds of pages of the first interim report from the malaysian government. among these new details, the plane's pinger batteries had already conspired. >> cnn aviation correspondent richard quest sifted through all of the documents. good morning, richard. >> good morning. >> reporter: hundreds of pages of documents supporting background information have now been released. although they don't give us any information about what happened in the cockpit, we still don't know why the plane went missing. or, indeed where it ended up. they paint a very detailed picture of the aircraft, its
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systems, its crew. and how air traffic control performed on the night. it's not a pretty picture. on the question of the pilots, any evidence, there is simply no evidence that the captain was in any way unstable. in fact, the report specifically says the captain's ability to handle stress at work and home was good. there was no known history of anxiety, apathy or irritability and no significant changes in his lifestyle, into personal conflict or family stresses. there is more in this! neither the captain or the pilot or the co-pilot had any financial problems. they had regular bank accounts, regular mortgages, insurance policies and nothing out of the ordinary. in terms of what happened on the night, here we see a very different picture. confusion and chaos. somewhat between coaching men in
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vietnam and kuala lumpur. many hours going by with seemingly nobody having any urgency that this was now turning into a crisis. and the underwater locator, batteries had actually expired. now, we don't know what the effect might have been in terms could they have lasted the full 30 days, but clearly we have been told previously they were good. now we know they are not. the picture we are getting of what happened on the night certainly contributed to the fact that now, we have no idea where the plane has ended up. >> you can imagine, a lot of the families of flight 370 say the decision by the malaysian government to release this report on the one-year anniversary, they believe, is insensitive. they actually gathered this morning for a vigil in kuala lumpur where the flight took off. anna koren is live from there.
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there has been some reaction from the families there, right? >> reporter: absolutely. they know the interim report has come out this afternoon here in kuala lumpur and meaning feeling it's meaningless and doesn't provide them any more information where their loved ones are at the end of the day what they need to know. the detail in between the hours, the days that proceeded the disappearance of the plane they say means nothing and they want to know where their loved, you know, are. you say a vigil held here in kuala lumpur as they come here for the one-year anniversary. a short time, we heard from the prime minister tony abbott who was interviewed in australia. the question put to him, you know, is all hope lost? and he actually said, look, if we don't find the plane in this
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priority search zone that we are currently scour, this 23,000 square-mile area, then we are prepared to look again in an area of a similar size. that is new information coming in, because, obviously, the concern of the families is if there is no debris found in this search zone, in the southern indian ocean, that the search will be called off. one of those people terrified that would happen is danika weeks who is an australia woman whose husband paul was on board mh-370. take a listen what she had to stay. >> i'll never stop searching for him. he gave everything to us. he is amazing. and so if i know if the shoe was on the other foot, he wouldn't stop looking for me. and i'll never stop looking for him either. >> reporter: it's just heart breaking listening to her pain, to her grief. and it doesn't stop. it's not going to stop, because,
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you know, these people have no answers whatsoever. >> because of that, you just can't reconcile anything. anna core n, thank you so much. david sushi is the author of "malaysia airlines flight 370." david, what is your reaction to what anna just referred to there, the australia prime minister's comments that this search cannot go on forever. do you believe search crews are going to find the aircraft in the priority zone? >>, you know, i'm hopeful that it will. the first part of the priority zone that has been searched, the 9,000 square miles, is the highest probably area. as they go further and further away from the highest probability area, i lose confidence that they will find it in the area just because that isn't where they most think that it would be. it's difficult certainly for the families this year's anniversary
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to accept that and understand that, but i do believe there will be a time where they will stop the search. >> cnn's richard quest has been analyzing this report, looking through it, and he indicates there was a massive failure between civilian and military radar and air traffic control. is that your analysis as well? >> joe, that is so critical. richard hit it right on the head with that, because that 17-minute period in which the aircraft had been handed off from one control area to the other, it should have been no more than five minutes of no contact. but there were 17 minutes and during that 17-minute time is when the aircraft made that turnaround and started going back to what i believe is they were heading back to the main maintenance base for malaysian airlines. that is incredibly krl. wh critical. it may be meaningless to the
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families because they are looking for their loved ones and would like to get some answers but not meaningless to the malaysian government and the air traffic control systems down there that are trying to fix these problems and they have to get it fixed. this report is just the impetus they need, the catalyst to make some changes and improve the safety of traveling in that area. >> david, i spent weeks in malaysia following this story and i have toll you one much surprises i heard out of this report is that maintenance records show the battery for the underwater locator beacon had actually expired. the report says there is no evidence it had been replaced. can you talk about how big of a mistake that was? especially since everybody was looking for u.s. some sign of the beacon? >> joe, i remember those reports with you down there and diligently reporting what was going on. if you recall, we had a maintenance person from
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malaysian airlines contact us at cnn and spoke about the battery life, whether it was properly stored or not. now, at this point, knowing this had happened, this is a huge deal. it may seem minuscule to most people, but when you look at maintenance records -- and i've spent 17 years evaluating maintenance operations at airlines -- and those airlines are very meticulous. the fact that this one thing slipped through the crack, this is maintenance 101, joe. this is what you do. when something is due at a certain time, you make sure it's done. there is no room for error here. yet there was error. that indicates to me there may be something deeper we need to be looking at with malaysian airlines. >> again and again and again seeing signs of human error throughout here. we still don't know what happened to that plane and that will probably be the final testament, but thanks so much for that, david soucie. i'm sure we will be checking in with you again on this.
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>> thank you, joe. still to come, more protests, as well as the fact that we are getting new dispatch audio after the shooting death of an unarmed team by a police officer. our rosa flores is in madison, wisconsin. boko haram's pledge is linking up with another terror group. what is that going to mean in the fight against terrorism? your baby is getting more than clean. your touch stimulates her senses and nurtures her mind. and the johnson's® scent, lather and bubbles help enhance the experience. so why just clean your baby when you can give her so much more™? that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare changes. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when healthcare becomes simpler. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare. let's close the gap between people and care.
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to blemish anyone's character, particularly one as young as his and over the circumstances of what his family has dealt with. >> police say the teen got into a scuffle with a police officer after he showed up to investigate a disturbance. rosa flores is live in madison, wisconsin, with the very latest. good morning to you, rosa. what are you hearing this this morning? >> reporter: good morning, christi. this community still coming to grips with what happened here. i talked to robinson's mother yesterday. she is still devastated and has friends and family around her, this is helping but she says it's a very difficult time for her as you might imagine. i want to set the scene. behind me a small memorial has been established here. you see the candles. the crime scene tape is still up which it telling because this happened on friday evening. a police cruiser as well. you look beyond the police
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cruiser. you see a door that is patched with some plastic. all signs that this is early in the investigation. >> reporter: hundreds of demonstrators hit the streets of madison, wisconsin, following the shooting death of an unarmed 19-year-old at the hands of police. >> i just want to let him know that i'm there! >> reporter: tony terrell robinson's mother is devastated and overcome by emotion. >> my son has never been a violent person. never. and to die in such a violent, violent way. >> reporter: police paint a different picture of her son. scanner traffic capturing the dramatic chain of events. >> look for a male black, light skin. >> reporter: police say they received several calls about robinson friday evening. first about the teen jumping in and out of traffic and dodging cars. >> got another call for the same
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suspect. >> reporter: then about an alleged battery incident. >> tried to strangle another patron. >> reporter: the situation escalating when robinson entered what family say is his best friend's house. officer matt kenny arrived, heard a commotion inside and forced his way in, according to police. >> shots fired. shots fired. >> reporter: official say robinson attacked officer kenny, who then fired the deadly shots. kenny suffered a blow to the head. robinson was administered cpr at the scene but later died at the hospital. >> he was unarmed and that's going to make this all the more complicated for the investigators, for the public to accept, to understand that deadly force had to be used. >> reporter: this is not the first time the 45-year-old officer used lethal force. kenny was exonerated for an event that took place almost eight years ago, a fact that
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doesn't sit well with robinson's family and friends. >> he was a beautiful, beautiful young man. he stood 6'4", 200 pounds. >> robinson's aunt and grandmother speaking out not buying the account from the police. >> i think the cop shot him because he was afraid of him! >> reporter: protesters calling robinson's killing their ferguson. >> i'm hurt. i'm frustrated. i'm angry. >> reporter: as another family faces an all too familiar anklewiankl angush. matt kenny is on paid administrative leave. as for the investigation, it's in the hand of the wisconsin department of justice. that is, by law, here in wisconsin, whenever there is an officer-involved shooting, the police department doesn't get to
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investigate itself. back to you. rosa flores, thank you. now let's bring in tom fuentes, the former fbi assistant director and cnn's law enforcement analyst. tom, oftentimes in a situation like this where you have a police-involved shooting, it's politically explosive to bring up the criminal history of the individual who was shot but from an investigative standpoint, is it relevant? >> joe, i think it will be relevant in the long are run if you're trying to establish what the tendencies were of an individual as the individual capable of violence and we understand that grieving parents don't believe that that is possible, that their son is not violent and, you know, so we expect that. but the investigation will be conducted by the state of wisconsin, not by the city of madison. and, you know, we just have to wait and find out more of the facts. additionally, the officer was taken to the hospital also
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friday night and blood was drawn. so there will be a toxicology report on the officer to see whether he had alcohol or drugs in his system. the same thing will be done through the autopsy of the victim. so, you know, that will lend a little more light on the behavior of the individuals involved in this, but it's going to take, you know, a diligent investigation on the part of the state authorities to look at this and see exactly what happened. unfortunately in the political climate we have right now, people on both sides of the issue immediately want to jump to the conclusion that one side or the other is directly at fault. it's too early to know that right now. >> this is a really interesting case study, isn't it? because, on the one hand, you have this victim who was shot dead, apparently unarmed with a criminal history. also, the police officer who was involved in this as well had another fatal shooting in his
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background. so that's something that perhaps would come into play too, yes? >> well, it might. i mean, they could take another look at that and certainly if there is a civil lawsuit later, that whole incident will be re-examined and looked at. but the unfortunate thing is fa for police officers, if an officer earlier in his or her career uses deadly force and it's determined or believed at the time that it was justified, should they just retire right on the spot? because if it ever had to happen again, it would be, you know, it would taint their record to even be involved in an incident like that. again, that incident will be re-examined just, you know, in the normal course as the current incident will as well. >> all of this very interesting case study in light of some of the other police-involved shootings we have seen around the country. thanks so much for that. good to see you, tom fuentes. >> thank you, joe. two of the world's most
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south move, obviously, to give isis a strong foothold. nima has more for us. >> reporter: a new alliance for boko haram. if this is true, this will give isis a scope of allegiance that stretches from one coast of africa to the other through egypt, libya and algeria. where they are eroding most of that territorial gains. they need this razed profile more than ever. they have come together to not only fight boko haram inside nigeria inside their own territories but to block the
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good to have you with us. new details about massive failures that played a role in the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370, one year ago today. joe? >> right. we still don't know why this doomed plane went missing or what happened to the 239 people on board. but in a new report, the malaysian government puts some blame on confused radar operators who went back and forth for hours asking if they had seen the plane. >> the report also revealed the battery of the underwater locator beacon on the flight data recorder had already expired. meaning it wasn't guaranteed to last the full 30 days that search teams were hoping for. >> investigators also found no indications of unusual behavior
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among the pilots and crew and they said there was no sign of bad weather. >> families of chinese nationals lost aboard are saying the report is meaningless as they gathered in bayh jang to moueije ones they love. david, what is happening there? >> reporter: i know it's hard to believe but a year since the flight vanish and most on board were chinese, the family febs who have been grieving all this time haven't managed to get any closure. they wanted to get together and grieve and pray for their family members and look what happened. >> reporter: the family members of those on board mh-370 had planned to come here to this temple which is in beijing to pay their respects one year on. frankly, there are more police here than family at this point.
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some of them say they intimidated. normally, i would be able to get in this area. excuse me. don't push me. normally, i would be able to get in this area and through here family members maybe about ten and they are not letting me get in. come inside, please. you can't do this. don't touch me. this is -- this is family members who are trying to grieve and you're stopping us! 239 people died on this plane and you're telling me they can't come here to commemorate? [ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: i want to know why the police are twereating u like this. we didn't do anything unusual. we are just looking for our families. why are they doing this? my husband was on mh-370 last year and was supposed to land at this time and he never came. i'm just looking for my husband. they want to commemorate one year after the plane has van issued and they are intimidating
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the families and many of the families say they have been detained several times by the chinese authorities and it's pretty tragic a year on. it might seem extraordinarily they are doing this, but in a way, the family has become a liability to the communist party. they don't want to cause a fuss or talk to the international media. all this time, though, they don't know what has happened many of them, in fact, most of them tell me they still have some hope that their loved ones might be alive but they aren't moving any closer to closure with this report, and when asked to say what is going to happen to them next? christi and joe? >> so sad. david mackenzie, thanks for bringi bringing that to us. one of four men arrested in the murder of a top critic of putin is a former police officer. four are accused in the assassination of boris nemtsov.
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grainy video captured his attack. nemtsov is one of russia's most prominent offensive figures walking home with his girlfriend when a gunman fired four shots into his back steps from the kremlin. tony brenton reacted to the news and talked about a possible motivate. i would guess -- obviously, i don't know -- but if you're shopping for a hit man in russia today is the place you go is the north chechen in particular where lots of outraleigh and lots of guns for hire. my guess is if these guys did it were probably hired by someone further back, rather than themselves initiating the crime. >> we know that all four suspects are ethnic chechens and two of them are brothers. president obama is talking for the first time about the e-mail controversy swirling around his former top diplomat. hillary clinton, however, she is
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department. in an interview, president obama says he is glad clinton wants to make her e-mails public. >> as president, when did you first learn that hillary clinton used an e-mail system outside the u.s. government for official business while she was secretary of state? >> at the same time everybody else learned it through news reports. >> were you disappointed? >> let me just say that hillary clinton is and has been an outstanding public servant. she was a great secretary of state for me. the policy of my administration is to encourage transparent and why e-mails, the blackberry i carry around, all of those records are available and archived, and i'm glad that hillary has instructed that those e-mails that had to do with official business need to be disclosed. >> you say you had the most transparent administration ever. you said it a couple of weeks ago. >> it's true. >> how does this square with that?
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>> well, i think the fact she is going to be putting them forward will allow us to make sure that people have the information they need. president obama is speaking out, hillary clinton isn't saying much at all about the e-mails, at least right now. there is a lot of speculation she would address the issue in miami last night. she did not. so will that silence help hillary clinton or hurt her? let's dig deeper into this right now. cnn political comem tatoe comme. >> doesn't she kick the can down the road by not talking about it or is it better to wait until all of the e-mails are out in public and have the debate them? >> i think she did the most important thing, joe, which was essentially say that she wanted the e-mails to be made public
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and that the state department is now reviewing that to make sure that happens as quickly as possible. i don't think she needs to say anything more until she actually announces her campaign. at that time, sure, she will be asked these questions and then she will answer them, but what she will also do, joe, is to put forward a very aggressive and forward looking strategy and platform as to why she should be president of the united states. and what is so puzzling to me, joe, is that what people are not focusing on is that she didn't do anything different than what her predecessors did at the state department. in fact, she has gone above and beyond because when the state department requested for all previous secretaries of state to make their e-mails public or to forward them to the state department for preservation, she, so far, has been the only one to imply. and so when you look at the opposition, jeb bush had his own
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private e-mail account only disclosed 250,000 of 300 e-mails. rick perry destroyed e-mails after seven days. scott walker when he was county executive had private e-mail accounts which were investigated because they were doing campaign work. if we are going to hold her -- either we hold her to the same standard or let's dispense with the hypocrisy. >> let's dig down on this tweet. why send out a tweet and nothing more? lisa, does this just sort of energize republicans and people on the right who can make the case that hillary clinton is not being transparent even as she is moving closer to what could be a presidential one? run. >> she not being transparent and this is different than rick perry or jesh bush because she had top secret information that
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she was e-mailing through a nonsecure server. those issues are of top security concern, so that is incredibly different than someone like rick perry and jeb bush and problematic for hillary clinton because it underscores the initial that hillary clinton is out of touch elitist who is above it pawl. the obama administration has been marred with the lack of transparent andnent and hillary is a part of that. she is anything but! this comes on the heels that the information that the clinton administration accepted foundations from foreign governments who are lobbying the state department and puts into question it was her decision making at the state department influenced by those donations and the fact of the matter is by her e-mailing through private accounts on a private server also raises questions of what information is she is not putting out there? because she had has a private server she controls what information is out there! it underscores her judgment and her decision making ability! the fact she is e-mailing about
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the top national security through an unsecured server! >> i have to jump in here, joe, because the state department has been very clear that there was no -- >> actually haven't! given misinformation about it! >> limited time, please! >> there is no classified information in those e-mails so let's be very clear when republicans talk about this they have to get their facts straight and that is one of the things they don't like to do because if they have to meet hillary clinton on the battlefield of ideas, clearly they come up completely empty. >> okay. so president obama speaking now for the first time about the e-mails. does that actually help or hurt hillary clinton? lisa, start with you. >> well, i think it hurts her because, look. the fact the matter is she is an extension of an unpopular president who has a failed record in the eyes of the american people which we saw during the 2014 elections because hi policies were rejected by historic proportions. i think this hurts hillary clinton. the biggest problem hillary clinton has is the fact this paints a narrative, an existing
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narrative and underscoring an existing narrative she is out of touch elitist and what bill clinton had as well. she is out of touch elitist and above it all! i think this raises a lot of questions in the eyes of the american people and if i'm a democrat, i'm sitting there asking myself, is hillary clinton the best we have? >> maria, go ahead and answer that question. >> i actually think it helps hillary because it was a full-throated support of what a great secretary of state and public servant she is. again, i'll underscore. how many-mf them! >> if anything they can underscore she had a private e-mail account you find me a voter that supports hillary clinton on the issues but refuses to vote for her because of this? republicans are living in lah-lah land if they think this is the only thing they can go after her for, bring it op.
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i think they love this because the benghazi, quote/unquote, hasn't ameounted to anything! >> no! the only time they said this was accepted is when the level official did not! >> idea -- >> when it comes to -- >> all right, all right, all right! >> republicans are empty. >> thank you very much. i don't think this issue is going to change any minds on hillary clinton right now. maria cardona and lisa boothe, thanks to both of you. >> always such a good discussion. were the bones of john, the bapti baptist" really sound is in the focus of brand new episode of "finding jesus." we are talking to the co-author of the miniseries "finding jesus." fact, fact, or forgery? he wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies.
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co-author of finding jesus, fact, faith, forgery and religion sources. it looks at an age of discovery. identifying the bones of john the baptist to see if he was related to jesus. so i'm curious, thanks for being with us, first of all. what goes into deciphering whether these are, indeed, ancient relics or if they are not authentic? >> well, you first have to determine if they are human bones and then you have to do the dna testing and carbon testing to see are they about 2,000 years old?
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then can the dna tell us what geographic region they come from? did they come from the middle east or someplace else? because the relics of the bones of john the baptist have been some of the most popular, widespread relics in all of christianity to the extent that we know the vast majority of them are not true. the question we want to answer, after all of thiessen tris, two millennia, could any of these be the bones of john the baptist who was, we believe, the cousin of jesus? >> what do you think is the fascination behind the search for truth in this, particularly for a faith where faith itself, you know, faith is so reveered and believing in something regardless of whether you see signs of it? >> yeah, that's the central question really. and christians believe that you -- the religion is about
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both faith and reason. god has given us reason as well to perceive, you know, why christians believe, and when you -- you know, you're supposed to be able to look at history, at the signs of the times and to see what jesus was saying back then and how it applies today. so it's really important to know who the jesus of history was but, of course, there's a huge gap. you know, we have the nativity story, the christmas story of jesus in the mining ganger and there's a 30 year gap before john the baptist in the river jordan being baptized launching his ministry. good point. i'm wondering what kind of reaction have you received? what have you been hearing from people? >> tremendous reaction. it's really been gratifying. again, we wanted to do this because there is such interest in the jesus history, but there are also so many exaggerated
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claims. this isn't just a medieval problem where people were sounding off all these relics that weren't the real deal. you see this still today. wat is real when you see these headlines that there's a new gospel, there's a new fragment or something out there. what is real and what is false? and above all, what is the truth about jesus? >> well, there's no doubt it is intriguing and riveting and we're so glad that you're bringing it to us. david gibson, thanks so much. >> thanks for being here. thank you. just a reminder, brand-new episode of "finding jesus" starting tonight at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. christie, a new report on the night of when 370 vanished. some of the findings are scandalous. for the families of flight 370 the last year has been devastating.
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good morning. ahead on "new day," massive failures, possible negligence, shocking new details from a new malaysia airlines flight 370 investigative report, all of this despite assurances from the malaysian prime minister that the missing plane is going to be found. also, we have new information about the unarmed teen shot dead by madison,
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wisconsin, police. your "new day" starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. we begin with breaking news. so grateful to have your company as always. i'm christi paul. >> i'm joe johns. >> chaos, confusion and human error. >> we're learning new information about missing malaysian flight 370. today marks the one year mark since the boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people on board. a new report from the malaysian government was just released. >> the team of batteries on the underwater beacon had already expired because of a maintenance mixup. that would have helped find obviously the flight data recorder. >> officials say there's no evidence of any unusual engine behavior and during the flight's final hours there was chaos, confusing communication between radar operators and air traffic control. >> we're going to take a look at
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