aisle he close with this. one of the early tests to prove you can raise the money, the big money for the long haul especially in a wide open race. the first lap in the money chase ends at the end of this month. that's when candidates have to report their first quarter fundraising tolls. there's no doubt there will be the strength of the jeb bush money machine. team bush got a bit dismayed when several allies started talking about a record smashing $100 million quarter for his right to rise political action committee. now some bush allies are bragging a $50 million figure would still be a big deal. are they trying to over state expectations? we'll know in three weeks. that's it for "inside politics." we'll see you soon. "state of the union" starts right now. chaos and confusion on mh flight 370 and heavy blow back over hillary clinton's e-mails. this is "state of the union."

>> this is cnn breaking news. good morning from washington. i'm michael smerconish. coming up i have the first television interview with a a. s. ambassador who thinks he was fired in part for doing what hillary clinton did. first, breaking news on malaysia airline flight 370 which vanished one year ago today. richard quest, a report has just been issued. please give us the very latest. >> reporter: this is the report michael. there are hundreds of pages in it. no major new revelations. nothing that will necessarily tell us what happened in the cockpit or indeed where the plane for certain actually is but we do know for instance that they are more satisfied that the pilot, the captain involved have no mental instability. he was not anxious. he had no family or domestic problems so that rules out that as a potential cause. we also know that on the night

there was an enormous amount of radar confusion between the different areas, between who he chi min city and kuala lumpur and finally, michael, we are starting to see just how long this search and rescue took to get underway as a result of people going backwards and forwards an inability to locate the plane or to indeed realize they were watching the plane fly back across malaysia. chaos and confusion in many cases. certainly it could have been done better. >> one follow-up. cnn viewers will remember when a year ago it seemed that the search was try angulated by pings that were being heard by searchers. is the assumption today that none of those sounds were actually coming from mh 370s black boxes? >> reporter: the so-called underwater beacons, the pings, they tell us according to the paperwork, the batteries on one of them the flight data

recorder that one had been expired. that might have been a technicality and may not be true but it shows the recordkeeping was true. to the gem of your question yes. we don't know why. they've never said why they actually thought it was the pings and what it really was, but it was a complete wild goose chase. it was not the pings. >> thank you, richard quest. and now was a u.s. ambassador fired when like hillary clinton, he used a private e-mail service? as hillary clinton looks set to make a 2016 run for the white house, she's facing growing questions about why she may have used personal e-mail for official business while she was secretary of state. the controversy is being further fueled by new scrutiny of america's former ambassador to kenya, scott grash shonn. he's a retired air force general. his support of barack obama's

campaign was there. a report by the state department inspector general in 2012 cited gration using a private e-mail account and he had to resign from a job all on hillary clinton's watch. the ambassador has lost the respect and confidence of the staff to lead the mission. he joins me from nairobi, kenya. given that which has been revealed about hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail account, do you view that as a double standard? >> as i look back i may have. as i was going through it i did not perceive that it was a double standard because i did not know of secretary clinton's use of a commercial e-mail account. but as i've reflected on it in the last couple of days it does appear like there was a different standard that was used

in my case and that has been used in hers. >> it occurs to me as i read the inspector general report pertaining to your tenure in office and there was much more in this report than just e-mail but there's also language that speaks to you being reluctant to accept clear-cut u.s. government decisions pertaining to quote, the non-use of commercial e-mail for official government business. that's language that seemingly would apply to what she has done. >> that's true. the language should apply to all of us sings we're all in the state department but i need to correct something. first of all, i would say that i was complying. i used the open net at work and in my residence, but at the same time i questioned some of the policy and tried to get some of it changed and so i wasn't avoiding it i wasn't flouting it i wasn't being in

noncompliance, but i did raise some serious questions about the use of commercial accounts because i thought that they were helpful to me in the course of my duties as the ambassador to kenya. >> and, again, what i'm trying to do sir, is understand the parallels between your case and secretary clinton's case. it occurs to me that the chief of staff for the department of state, cheryl mills, is the individual who fired you, again, in part because of your use of a private e-mail account. do you presume that ms. mills would have known at the time she fired you that secretary clinton was herself using a private e-mail account? >> in the end we'll have to ask cheryl mills that question but i would assume that she knew. secretary clinton and cheryl mills were in very close dialogue on all issues and i know that in my view that she would have known that secretary

clinton was not using the open net. so i do find it sort of unusual that she stated this was one of the reasons why i had to move on. and as i look back it seems a bit unfair. >> let me just drill down on that one step further. presumably the secretary of state would have e-mail. secretary clinton would have e-mailed the chief of staff for the department of state, and to the extent such e-mails would have taken place, then ms. mills would have seen she's communicating with me via a private e-mail account, not our department server. >> i see it the same way, but i was not there and these are questions that we'll have to ask cheryl mills, but certainly one could make that assumption and it seems very very logical. >> finally, sir, you've had such a distinguished career a career i should point out that included flying 274 combat missions in iraq. that public career has come to an end because of this issue and some other things i've made

that very clear. how does it make you feel to watch the news unfold with regard to secretary clinton knowing that this brought a stop to your public career? >> for me this is a dream job. it was a job where i felt i was making a significant difference in light of america's interests, what we were trying to do here to protect americans. and to have that terminated over some allegations that were in the end proven to be false, and i was exonerated. these claims were dismissed. to see this dream job of mine come to an end was very disappointing to me. and to now find out that in reality other people in the department to include my supervisors, were doing things differently and were looking the other way, i think that's hard. i didn't break any laws willfully. if i made mistakes i apologize

for those, but i don't believe i did anything wrong. and i can't speak the same for secretary clinton. other people have to make that decision. she'll have to work that out herself. >> mr. ambassador thank you so much for joining us from nairobi. >> thank you very much mike. i a preerk yatppreciate the opportunity. we invited the state department to send a representative to this program, they decliebd. we also contacted hillary clinton for reaction to mr. grash shonn's comments. they had this response. >> all of the reasons the department took their actions are well-documented in the department of state's inspector general report. i want to turn to bill schiff and republican congressman darrell issa past chair of the house oversight committee. congressman issa react to what you've just heard. >> well i think that this double standard is worrisome, but more importantly, in his

firing when they talked about confidence integrity, ambassador records are seldom foia'd. in this case in addition to the benghazi investigation which clearly would have wanted some of these communications countless of freedom of information act requests would have gotten those documents had they been in the public domain and we may never get many of them because we don't know what we don't know when it's on a server where the click of a button can delete records forever. >> ambassador gration, congressman schif, was fired for a number of issues. his firing was because of nonuse of a commercial e-mail.

here's an ambassador under the umbrella of the secretary he gets canned for this. >> i want to be fair to the ambassador but it's clear he was urged to resign for a number of reasons, most significantly his management style and the fact that the embassy staff lost confidence and it lacked cohesion. that was the graveman of why he was let go. if they want to make an issue of this, they can do it. the democratic national committee can make an issue out of jeb bush's use of a public server. what's not appropriate is for a taxpayer government committee, which is what we are, to be using our power, our subpoena to become an arm of the republican national committee. that's what happened this week and that is deeply disturbing. michael, we have the secretary's e-mails. she provided 55,000 pages of them to the state department. they provided the 900 pages

relative to benghazi to us. we have looked at those. there is nothing at all corroborative of any of these conspiracy theories any of the standdown orders that mr. issa claims were ordered. >> congressman, isn't this a problem of control? in other words, you have that which she gave you so the decision has now been made further upstream in terms of what's being released to your committee as compared to a scenario where she would have maintained two accounts two phones one to plan chelsea's wedding and to set up dental visits and the other for all her official visits. when you make a request, here you go. it simply gets handed over. >> as a matter of law we have moved as of last year to a requirement that official e-mails be used for official business. we have to evaluate and consider the secretary under the law at the time. the law at the time was she could use her personal e-mail as long as she preserved it. given the fact that she provided 55,000 pages, she clearly did

preserve her e-mails. this was not provided in response to a "new york times" article, this was provided last year when a request went out from the state department to all former secretaries and she has given more records than any other prior secretary of state so she followed the law in place of the time and that's i think the relevant point. >> congressman issa doesn't he have a point when he says jeb bush was using an account like that colin powell was using an account like that. one other point if i might. yesterday i interviewed the former head of litigation for the national archives, he said while he finds this extraordinairery and highly unusual, there were no laws broken that he can see. >> well the requirement to preserve is a requirement and expectation to preserve in government hands, not in your own hands. hillary clinton's statement would be that she met the preservation it would be like somebody who paid their taxes

five years later. i kept the money in the eventuality eventuality. if you use a nongovernment e-mail you forward it to your official account or you print it out and that preserves them and it's left in government hands. she left office with her documents. that's not preserve for freedom of information discovery. the fact is there were three subpoenas issued while i was chairman. some of these documents were clearly responsive to it. they were never produced. 2 1/2 years ago four brave men died in benghazi and in fact adam schiff is talking about spending money. one of the reasons there's a select committee is that we got double talk and false statements for years from this administration and the existence of these e-mails was hidden throughout the rest of her tenure and beyond. so did she comply with the public integrity requirement? no she didn't. did she break a law for which there is a penalties at this?

not -- penalty? not really. but there's a difference between being open transparent, honest and having integrity and only when you get cute do you turn in documents. >> let me address this. >> finish up. >> we only have -- we only have the documents she gave us. that's not the basis. normally an inspector general searches through all documents to find which ones are appropriate. you don't necessarily -- >> let me allow congressman schiff to respond. as part of your response, address this. hasn't the unforced error now allowed the, quote, benghazi issue to be transformed from something that only appeals to partisans to something that will dog her through the 2016 race? >> first of all, to my colleague's point, the fact is from all prior secretaries of state from clinton back have maintained personal e-mail accounts. she was the first to submit them to the state department. let's not hold this secretary to a different standard than the

other secretaries. colin powell has acknowledged that he used his personal e-mails. second in terms of the benghazi investigation, we knew as of last summer that the secretary used the private e-mail account. this is not something new. we knew also that she was cooperating, she was giving us everything she asked for. nothing changed except that the pressure on the republican members of the committee this week became too great for them to exist from the stop hillary people, the rnc people. they issued a subpoena for records we already have. now the secretary has called for those records to be made public. why isn't the chairman doing that? why aren't we doing that? the reason is we've read them. there's nothing in them. now my colleague says how do we know we have them all? the reality is if this secretary or anyone else e-mailed a standdown order, as this mythical claim exists out there, there would be several discoveries on the receiving end of that e-mail. there would be people at the pentagon there would be people

in the field who would have to receive that order. >> congressman -- >> there's no evidence. >> it makes me wonder. congressman issa quickly, you can have the final word. it makes me wonder who is doing the screening. if you have 50,000 pages. she' not sitting there with the former president in the rec room going through this. who are these people? what kind of clearance do they have? there are a whole host of questions. take a quick final comment? >> tre goudy and adam schiff have two things in common. they served in the attorney general's office. a subpoena which tre goudy issued is so that in fact it will be a crime if she knowingly withholds documents pursuant to subpoena. he needed to do that because she wasn't forthcoming 2 1/2 years ago. she, in fact hid the very existence of this until she was caught. the fact that they knew in august -- >> michael, quick rebuttal -- >> there's no more time. >> no need to issue a subpoena

last year. >> there was every need for a subpoena. >> she has provided the documents we asked for. the only reason to give a subpoena for documents you have if you want to politically grandstand or make a political issue. >> adam i'd love to see your history of that. >> i wish we had more time. thank you. when we come back does the e-mail controversy spell trouble for hillary clinton and the democrat's hopes in 2016? when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over-producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. the leading allergy pill only controls one, flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase the 24 hour relief that outperforms the #1 allergy pill. so go ahead , inhale life. new flonase. six is greater than one. this changes everything.

you know our constitution is being shredded. we know about the secret wire taps we know about the secret military tribunals, we know about the secret e-mails. >> that was hillary clinton in 2007 slamming members of the bush administration for their use of a private internet domain domain. with me white house special counsel during the clinton administration and s.e. cupp cnn political commentator. i want to put up the tweet that was september out by secretary clinton pertaining to this controversy. i want the public to see my e-mail. i asked state to release them. they said they will review them for release as soon as possible. you attended yale but she never read your book. your book was about telling it early, telling it all, telling them.

>> i could have added better late than never. this was the right move. she could have done it in 2013 and no one would be talking about it today but she is the first secretary of state, others have used private e-mails, but she's the first one to say, i want the public to read it. and she's ready for that to happen. so i think it is a good move. if it had been done earlier it would have followed my advice. >> you told me yesterday when i asked you the why question you said convenience. did your phone ring last night? were you asked to rein that in or was that the answer? >> so i'm glad you reminded everyone that i'm a friend of hillary clinton's for a large number of years and i am speaking for myself. but i have an observation it was for convenience. i'm not saying it was the same thing that jeb bush for eight years used his private e-mail and server nothing wrong he did. colin powell. i think it is convenience. i think it is wanting to preserve some access to your own e-mails and be able to know who's going to be looking at it

or not. but right now she's completely exposed. it will have to be verified at the state department. they say you gave us 55,000 we want to see what else is there. she's now open to complete verification so the issue of whether it can be trusted or not i think she's now say said i want everybody to read what i've given you. of course, the state department can ask for more. >> how will we know what she hasn't given us? >> is it the glass half empty analysis? this isn't about convenience, it's about control. >> sure. >> she's in the complete power seat of deciding what comes out. >> exactly. it makes you one be der -- it makes you question the way government responds to hillary clinton, right? no one at the state department, no one in her inner circle no one in the white house said even just to spare yourself a future headache get yourself a dot gov address. it makes you wonder if she's not

too powerful if no one says you're getting in your own way. >> it's a very fair point, s.e. and i don't say they're the same but you have too wonder after eight years and 3 million e-mails why jeb bush kept his own server and why they didn't say the same thing to him? he has cherry picked what he's distributed. i agree with both of you, she's now got to be subject to verification. no one can take her word or her staff's word. she's now open to that. the subpoenas have already been issued. she will have no choice but to respond. the state department might ask for more. verification transparency is the end of what is a legal -- we both agreed yesterday with the expert. she -- everything she did was legal. she followed the regulations. the law changed in 2014. now it's a crisis management. >> the optics are terrible. s.e. i want to show everybody what you wrote in your "new york daily news" column. you said there are two possibilities, either clinton

was told these were bad ideas and she ignored the advice or no one around her had the temerity to tell her the truth. either way, this is very very bad not only for hillary's presidential aspirations but for her to be an effective public servant answerable to all rather than accountable to none. when i read that the worst critic of the clintons would have to admire their intellect. they are very bright individuals. i'm sure this was done with a great deal of thinking and your point is that somebody should have reined them in saying you're making a bad mistake. >> for her own good. right. to preserve her future potential as a candidate. the problem is she's become too big to fail. she's become an institution with so many investors who want her to succeed. over 30 years that no one's telling her, this is going to be bad for you. i'm on your side. help yourself. >> we got the guy to ask. is there an emperor has no clothes problem with her? >> no. >> people say, this is goofy.

why are you doing this? >> i think wisdom is in hindsight. i won't be surprising you that this is much to do about nothing. we had a lot of headlines and a lot of feckless comments with all due respect such as yours, with something called white water. three years later, $70 million, nothing. this is a big nothing. >> this is a problem when people like david brock or her friends tell you the sky is green when you can see that the sky is blue this does her no favors. to pretend that she is the victim of a republican smear campaign or the media, let that sink in for a minute. i think that does her a huge disservice. that will be the campaign mantra for her presidential campaign any time somebody asks a valid question. lany davis. >> i didn't say that and i don't agree it is a smear campaign that i think is analogous to white water. >> thank you both for being here. a everybody proo yat your time

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the reviews of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's speech to congress about iran this past week depend on whom you asked. republicans uniformly praised his address while president obama and some democrats in congress were critical of the prime minister's remarks. ron durmer israeli prime minister to the united states. thank you for being here. do you wish in retrospect that when speaker boehner extended this invitation that you said i think we ought to loop in the white house? >> hindsight is 20/20.

we regret partisanship before the speech. that was the last thing we wanted to do was inject israel into your partisan debate. it's always been above that and it's important for the u.s./israeli alliance that it remain clear. >> was the invitation speaker boehner's idea or your idea? >> speaker boehner called me and i assumed that he was going to inform the white house. he did, but he did it only a couple hours before. i hope that now we can get beyond the protocol beyond the politics and we can talk a little bit about the substance because it's a serious issue. >> we will. i watched the footage of this protest in tel aviv yesterday. it seemed like tens of thousands of people came together in opposition to the government. do you worry that prime minister netanyahu may lose his position because of the blow back to this visit? >> look we have a vibrant democracy in israel. we'll have an election in ten days. there are rallies on all sides. we'll allow the israeli voters

to vote ten days from now. it's a right that we have in israel that unfortunately many of our neighbors do not have. >> some have noted that the prime minister did not use the word zero in his comments to the congress his comments perhaps leaving open the door that he's willing to find acceptable some number of centrifuges. are we reading the speech too closely or is that not fair? >> we're not in the negotiating room. the lead powers are negotiating with iran. israel does not have a vote. we do have a voice. the prime minister used that voice very effectively on tuesday. what he was telling the leading powers of the world, he said look the deal that's currently on the table is a very bad deal. in order to make that deal a better deal you have to extend the break which is to leave iran with less infrastructure. the second thing is you have to link the removal of restrictions on iran's nuclear program to a change in iran's behavior.

they have to stop their aggression in the region stop terrorism around the world and stop trying to destroy israel. if you link that together then we can be sure that when those restrictions are removed iran is a different country and won'ting won't be the same country as today. >> the days of passivity is over and israel is prepared to stand alone. i was wondering is he saying if a deal is negotiated that he finds unacceptable that israel will launch a first strike against an iranian capability? >> what he's saying is israel reserves the right to protect itself. they have surrounded israel with three terror tentacles in the north in lebanon through hezbollah, on the syrian golan they have a couple of thousand of iranians who are there now through hamas and islamic jihad.

you have these three terror tentacles. they are vowing to detonate israel. understand it's not just a threat to israel it's a threat to the region and it's a threat to the world. what's interesting, michael, is israelis and arabs are on exactly the same page when it comes to the issue. when israelis and arabs are on the same page people should happen. that happens once in a century. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you being here. up next a new justice department report offers new disturbing details about racism in ferguson missouri's police department. former attorney general alberto gonzalez and what it can do to make ferguson right. that's next.

the subject of race in america came full circle this week with the 50th anniversary of the selma march for voting rights and a scathing new justice report on ferguson. joining me now is alberto gonzalez who served as president george w. bush's attorney general and is now the dean of the belmont university law school. first off, great to see your boss in selma yesterday with the former first lady. i thought that was appropriate.

>> i do too. president bush is really someone who believes very strongly in building relations with the people in this very, very diverse country. i think that sent a very powerful message to have him there as well. >> general, with regard to ferguson we've all seen the data. i want to put it up on the screen for the cnn audience if we might, how 67% of ferguson is comprised of african-americans yet 85% who are pulled over for car stops are african-american 93% arrested are african-american. another data set, 95% of those african-americans who have a citation are charged with walking in the roadway. 94% of those charged with a failure to comply are african-american. here's my question for you, is there any benign nondiscriminatory explanation for this data such as economics? >> not to the percentage that we're seeing here that's why the numbers are very troubling

to me and i believe that the department of justice was correct in raising this as a civil rights violation system wide in the police department and in municipal courts in ferguson. so i believe that this is something that needs to be -- has been identified as a major problem and now a corrective action needs to take place. >> do you wonder general, if we went to police department anywhere u.s.a. if we would find a similar finding? >> i would hope not quite honestly. we obviously made significant progress in race relations since selma, and there are a number of -- i don't want us to paint with such a broad brush in terms of what happened in ferguson that we ignore the very positive work that's being done by police departments and community leaders all across the nation but we still have racial problems in this country. that's why we have civil rights laws that's why we have a civil rights department at the department of justice to address

these kinds of issues. it's important for people to understand that our laws can't change people's hearts. our laws can't change people's behavior. it's going to take grace, communication and understanding before we change people's hearts. i'm hopeful we can do that soon. we're making progress. i'm hopeful this country will have a leadership to take us there. >> how do you rate attorney general holder's response to ferguson and his handling of this case? >> i think he received some criticism about the fact that he went there and raised hopes about civil rights prosecution. the department of justice, the feds were invited into that community after the shooting of michael brown occurred and i think his presence there, general holder's presence there sent a soothing message to all of the feelings in that community. i don't fault him for that. the only concern i might have is again, acknowledgment that all around the country every day police officers put their lives on the line irrespective of the color of the victim and the committing of a crime. we need to acknowledge the fine

work that is ongoing but we need to have further work. >> i agree with you. but for the shooting and killing of mike brown, we wouldn't know what we know about ferguson and yet in that particular instance police officer darren wilson will not be charged by virtue of the conclusion reached by the attorney general's office. >> not only by the attorney general's office but also by the grand jury there on the ground. so obviously going in my understanding was based upon the civil rights laws and the expectations that we have in the department of justice, that's a very tough hurdle to try to meet. now the facts have been looked at and now we need to see what we can do to address system wide problems in ferguson. >> general, will it's also talk more about the parallel between ferguson and what we saw yesterday at the ceremony commemorating the 50th anniversary on the march from montgomery to selma. president obama spoke passionately about inclusion and voting rights but also briefly made reference to recent racial tensions across the country.

>> together we can raise the level of mutual trust that policing is built on the idea that police officers are members of the community they risk their lives to protect and citizens in ferguson and new york and cleveland, they want the same thing young people marched for here 50 years ago, the protection of the law. >> i want to bring into the discussion cnn contributor l.z. granderson. but for the michael brown incident we wouldn't know what we know about ferguson. do you fear there are many fergusons out there and that ferguson might be typical of what you might find if the spotlight is shown? >> i don't know if it's typical but certainly you will find some racial behavior. if you look at what happened in cleveland, tamir rice if the department of justice went in there twice to criticize the department about the behavior then look at what's going on in chicago. just two weeks ago there was a report about the so-called black sights where police officers are

taking suspects and hiding them for two days while interrogating them off the books. when you start looking on what's been going on in major cities certainly you can think of smaller towns in the south, there are some fergusons, maybe not to the extent be. >> in the buildup to the march in selma, john lewis made the point that he worries lessons of nonviolence and nonviolent protests are being lost on america's youth. >> we saw that in ferguson. that is very unfortunate. there are ways to get the message out, having your voices heard. i think john lewis is the exactly right messenger to try to educate our youth about how do we make change? how do we achieve change in this country. >> i was thinking l.z. as i watched the footage from selma that john lewis was billy clubbed for people to exercise the right of the franchise, many of whom aren't carrying that out. >> i always burst at this notion

of nonviolent protests. we're marking bloody sunday because there was violence presence. we shouldn't villain niez all of the police departments, but when we talk about what happens, is there violence happening on the other end? if so how are we shining a light so it doesn't happen again? buy didn't solve it 50 years ago. i was in ferguson. i was tear gassed. it didn't happen last summer either. >> i guess i'd link all of this together for the obvious reason that you look at the population statistics. 67% african-american and yet i think only 4 black police officers out of a force of 50 or so. you wonder well how can that be? presumably it's because people aren't exercising the franchise. only 12% came out to vote before the mike brown incident. they've got to exercise that right in order to have power in the system. >> no question about it. people have to participate. that's not solely true with the black community.

>> all communities. >> hispanic community. you think about a black individual and looking at that police force they're not going to be encouraged to join when they look at the numbers, to be one of just a few. i think the department and the city needs to do a much better job in sort of welcome being black recruits. there is much more that the community can do that the police department can do to make progress in that community. >> are you personally uncomfortable with the so-called ballot security initiatives that many states have initiated in response to the voting rights act? voter i.d. and limiting when people can go exercise the franchise? >> i believe that our vote is one of the most precious assets that we have and we need to protect it. i really do. i have no problems with doing so, but to use voter i.d. laws to exclude voter racial voting that's intoll ler ranl. >> i was in ferguson i spent

some time reporting there. one of the things that shocked me part of the way that i report is i like to go into the community. i ate at some of the restaurants that were black owned. i got my haircut at one of the barber shops in town. i asked, have you ever cut a police officer's hair? have you ever served a police officer? i count find a single person that was in the community that talked about serving the police officers there. they were not of that community. when you look at what happened with officer wilson and the fact that his previous department in jennings was disbanded because of racism to go to ferguson you can't find anyone in the police department who actually went to the businesses in ferguson you begin to see that the police department wasn't necessarily representative or in the community that they served. they came from outside the community to impose. those are two different relationships. >> gentlemen, it's a great conversation. i wishing we had more time. attorney general roberto gonzalez and the l.z. granderson. america's full scale entry into the vietnam war.

how that changed the country's fabric and psyche when we come back.

lation of america's involvement would go on for a s.e.c. aid cost 50,000 american lives and end in military defeat for the united states. fast forward today in the fight against isis with some 1600 advisers on the ground in iraq is the u.s. on the path to another vietnam? joining me now former senator bob kerry. he fought in vietnam as a navy s.e.a.l. and was awarded medal of honor for heroism in combat and author who wrote a book and anti-war backlash entitled "they marched through sunlight war and peace, vietnam, and america." so david, today, 50 years ago

3500 american marines landed in vietnam. why don't we seem to note the milestones of that conflict the way that we do with our others? >> vietnam is apart from most of the other conflicts in american history partly because america lost that battle but also because divisions of vietnam are still with us 50 years later in so many different ways. not just the soldiers who endured the fighting which is always something to remember that goes on for decades after a war is supposedly over but so many ideological and cultural ways. vietnam will be with us as long as my generation and senator kerry's generation is alive. >> some will look back and attribute the lack of success to lack of american resolve. was it ever winnable? >> obviously the cost-benefit ratio was decidedly against a

victory. it would have taken tactics unacceptable to american people. moreover we voted to cut off military assistance after we left. it's not the first time we tire of a war. president lincoln would not have won in 1864 had it not been for sherman taking over atlanta. americans get tired of war in a hero. >> david, let me ask you about the battle on the home front. in the book you referenced juxtaposed what was going on in a bloody battle in vietnam with a protest movement at home in madison, wisconsin. my question is this. would the protest movement have been as potent at home absent the draft? >> i doubt it. i think the draft fueled so much of the fire of the anti-war movement. all movements are a combination of ideology or idealism i should say, and self-interest. the idealism was there, too, no

doubt about it. people were firmly against this particular war but the self-interest also made it such that every young man my age, their girlfriends, their parents, everyone had to talk about and deal with the war in some way or another, were you going to fight, enlist go to canada. all of that was fuel for the discussion which made it much more intense than anything going on today. >> it's not just the war going on in 1967. i'm sure you've seen "selma" or heard controversy about "selma." five days after johnson signed voting rights in 1965 we had watts, the substantial backlash. there was a cultural war going on backlash other things besides the war in vietnam. >> senator kerrey the nation is at war today, yet there's an absence of any protest movement. do we care less as a country when there's a volunteer force

snapchat no,? >> no i don't think we do. there's a big gap between military. theres a concern. all volunteer forces is an improvement you do have dubai. americans care much more today about men and women serving. >> that's one of the lessons everyone has learned from vietnam. you can oppose the policy but you don't oppose the soldiers. i think we didn't know that 50 years ago but that's something i think everyone agrees on now. >> gentlemen, some are saying there are parallel between the current situation and with regard to isis and what we went through in the '60s. argument goes something like this handsome young, democratic harvard educated president is leading us into a quagmire. david, respond to that. >> parallel more uniquely fit with the iraq war. isis is a separate issue. i'm not sure if it's going into a war or not.

but 10 years ago you had america fighting in a place where the soldiers didn't know the language or culture, there were no front lines. there were questions about why the war started, how it would end, what the role of patriotism and descent were in american life. all that hauntingly farm familiar. isis in my opinion, just my opinion, i think it's in a separate category. >> senator kerrey? >> i agree with that. you've got a handsome harvard graduate traumatized by the war in iraq an not using military force the way it ought to be. syria, pulled our troops out of iraq in my view too fast creating a power vacuum. his unwillingness to use conventional forces put boots on the ground common vernacular i think in some ways a trauma of vietnam, more the trauma of iraq. >> david, senator kerrey thank you so much for being here. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, michael. >> we'll be right back.

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