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because we have and there are times we did not have and somebody gave to us. >> super man usually has a cape on when he goes to help people. i have like three or four back-up capes. >> thanks so much for joining us. "ac360" starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. in ferguson missouri the manhunt continues in the investigation of shooting of two police officers. police chief said detectives are working around the clock following a number of leads. we'll have the latest on that and a live report from ferguson where sara sidner spoke with the mayor but first we begin tonight with new and disturbing revelations about how v.a. hospitals are treating the people who serve this country and the ways they continue to fail them. it's an issue this program has been focused on for almost a year on. secret waiting lists at v.a. hospitals with sometimes deadly consequences. president obama went to 40
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veterans died waiting for appointments. president went for a status report of sorts meeting with v.a. secretary and employees to hear about the agency's progress in trying to make things right. some things changed, no doubt about it. there has been progress. the chief of phoenix medical center and other officials lost their jobs but we found not much else changed at the largest v.a. in the country. cnn uncovered evidence that the v.a. in los angeles is making veterans wait for their first appointment. leading congress on exactly how long veterans are being forced to wait for care. our senior investigative correspondent, drew griffin, tonight keeping them honest. >> reporter: it's still happening. thousands of patients at the greater los angeles veterans medical centers have been waiting more than 3 months just for an appointment. the detailed evidence comes from the v.a.'s own documents obtained by cnn and confirmed by medical and administrative
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sources inside the greater l.a. v.a. hospital system. new patients seeking care are forced to wait the longest, sometimes months to see a doctor. records show this january 15th, more than 1600 veterans who were new patients were waiting 60 to 90 days for an appointment. another 400 veterans had been waiting up to six months and the documents provided to cnn show the lengthy wait times are still happening. all of this comes 10 months after the head of the v.a. general eric shinseki was forced to resign because of mismanagement of the exact same issue. now listen to what one v.a. official from los angeles told congress just last month. >> how long is the average wait time for a new patient at the greater l.a. medical center? >> the average wait time for a new patient right now is about
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four days. >> reporter: that statement is simply not true. according to these v.a. documents, and a half dozen doctors and administrators within the hospital who spoke to cnn, the average wait time is ten times greater. it's not four days. it's 44 days. the delays are even taking place at the los angeles clinic for mental health where documents show more than 300 veterans seeking mental health care have been waiting 30 60 even 90 days. specifically asked about mental health wait times, that same v.a. official dr. sky mcdug l, told congress the wait time is no different. she said just four days. >> is that true for mental health patients as well? >> that's true for mental health as well. >> reporter: according to half a dozen sources on cnn, that is not true. this chart shows as of march 1st
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new mental health pashlttients in los angeles wait an average of 36 days just to get an appointment. los angeles v.a. officials wouldn't talk to cnn about the discrepancies, instead, sent a statement explaining the report given to cnn does not include same-day appointments or in some cases, same-week appointments for those veterans who need care quickly. new patients the v.a. told us typically account for less than 10% of all veteran appointments and are not representative of the whole patient population. the v.a. is also digging by its own math that new vetted waited 4 days for appointments in january, 8 days in march. the real truth, say doctors and administrators is wait times for patients at the los angeles v.a. medical centers extends into weeks and months and are a serious problem. >> drew i mean this is really
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incredible these allegations. these new numbers from the v.a. that show great progress in reducing wait times and hiring new employees and trying to address the needs of these veterans still waiting, i mean are they to be believed? >> reporter: you know from the beginning of this scandal, we've been hearing across the country of this entrenched v.a. bureaucracy, hidden wait lists and come up with what i would call it funny math to show just how great things are when in fact they weren't. now we're hearing in some places it's continuing. no doubt progress has been made anderson but it's really difficult to trust any numbers coming from the v.a. itself. that's why i think today's announcement of an outside advisory council is a good step i think. >> so the four days that the doctor said to congress are they saying it's four days once you include not just new patients coming to the california v.a.? >> reporter: you know we tried to get an explanation. they simply won't talk to us. they won't explain their numbers
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to us. but we're trying to compare apples to apples with their own documents. average wait times for new patients average wait times for new veterans entering the system for the first time in los angeles, our insiders and our inside documents say it's 44 days. that person representing the v.a. in congress said 4 days. >> and has congress said anything about this? because if that's true somebody's not telling the truth here. >> reporter: that's exactly right. i think trust and transparency has been a big part of this issue between congress and the agency and what's worse in this case is that the chair of the house veterans committee back in may said about a scandal brewing in los angeles about wait times and fudged numbers. congressional investigators by looking into this report just not heard back on what they're finding. >> incredible. stay with us drew. i want to bring in louis chelly.
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rehabilitation unit. thank you for being with us louis. this whole time the scandal, the fact veterans are still having to wait so long for care they deserve, it just seems outrageous to me. i just don't get it. 44 days 60 days in a lot of cases? >> anderson it's unbelievable and as a matter of fact the american legion went to the los angeles campus in october before they passed the health care act and we specifically addressed wait times. what we were being told by veterans is if they had had trouble waiting or getting appointments and did have to wait and we expected the choice act to be able to satisfy the needs of those veterans out there. >> the veterans choice act and for people who don't remember that was passed by congress, signed into law by the president last year. it's supposed to eliminate these kind of delays. >> that's exactly right. with new patients that should eliminate the existing patients in the backlogs and free up to
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take care of those. when we had heard that the v.a. was getting ready to kang the way they counted wait times, we understood a necessarily medical wait time made sense. if i came into a doctor and they said i need a follow-up appointment in three months for, you know whatever my ailment is then it's unreasonable to hold the v.a. to a 30 day wait time standard three months then becomes the standard. but for new patients that can't possibly be true. new patients can't have a wait time more than what's medically necessary than immediate. >> right. and drew are you finding that those v.a. managers responsible for the wait times and the hidden wait lists are being replaced are held accountable? >> you know it's very hard to fire these people as we've seen across the country. some have been let go. a lot have been pushed into retirement. but just take a look at phoenix today where sharon hellman was fired, but that was a long process. it turns out she is going to get
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her bonus back and her second in command who sat with sharon hellman in her interview, many months ago and told us there was no hidden wait list he's still at the hospital today. what we're seeing in a lot of v.a. facilities troubled facilities is they're just shuffling the deck chairs and the entrenched bureaucracy that got us all into this mess continues to run the v.a. >> drew griffin, louis chilly thank you so much. a quick reminder set dvr to watch "360" whenever you want. the suspects in ferguson missouri the manhunt under way. detectives will not rest until they find out who did it. meanwhile, calm seems to be holding. but given what's happened in the past who's in charge of keeping the peace? a live report from ferguson next. also later, new twists in the case of the fraternity that was shut down over the racist chant. how the fraternity is now fielgting back when we continue. you pay for your data every month. so why does your carrier take back what you don't use? it's your data!
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investigators in ferguson, missouri continue to follow leads in the shooting of two police officers but no one in custody. that's the word from the st. louis county police chief who said detectives are working around the clock. the calm on the street seems to be holding. st. louis county police are handling security related to any protest while ferguson police are in charge of routine police operations. the looming question is how this community goes forward given all that's happened since last summer. sara sidner spoke with the mayor. she joins me now live from
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ferguson. what's the latest in the investigation? >> reporter: there is a $10,000 reward. we know that the trail has not gone cold according to the st. louis county police who are investigating this. that they do not have anyone in custody, but they do have several leads. that is the very latest that we have heard from st. louis county investigators. we also want to talk to you about what's happening in ferguson and who was actually in charge after the fallout from the doj report. the leadership shake-up in ferguson is vast. but protest groups want to see even more heads roll. >> the mayor needs to resign as well. the leaders in this community knew what was going on. he knew what was going on under his watch. >> reporter: and what does the mayor have to say about that? we asked him. why should they trust you since you were here during all of the madness that has unfolded in the city? >> sure. i can tell you this. there are ways to remove me if that is the will of the people. there's a lot of people who may
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be angry at the situation and a lot of people who may be frustrated in this community with the way things have gone down but there's a lot of people who still and expressed it to me expressed confidence in my willingness and members of the council's willingness to listen to be responsive and to make changes as necessary. people in the community recognize this. >> reporter: that includes black and white residents we've talked to. >> we believe the mayor has done a good job. he's only been there four years and in the four years he's been there, he's consciously tried to reach out to all parts of our community. if we lose mayor knowles, we lose a force for change and it will be harder to make the changes the doj is asking for. >> reporter: but it's an understatement to say race relations are worse. what do you think? >> i think they're definitely more strained than they've ever been in a long time here in this community and probably, you know across the country. but i think right now, there's people here in this community who are wanting to talk about it
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and willing to talk about it. so one of the things we're focused on is bringing people together and bridging that gap. and so whereas before maybe we didn't see any of these frustrations. >> reporter: but when it comes to protest groups in and out of ferguson calling for mayor knowles to step down he said they'll have to recall him because he is not going to resign. look if you want to get rid of the mayor, do it the way everyone else has to do it. do a recall. >> no. i mean he did things that was not right. he did things that was under his watch. he knew what was going on and he needs to take responsibility for it. >> reporter: but there is a legal way to do it right? people can get a petition and recall him from office. why hasn't it happened? >> that could be a step. if not, i don't think individuals are ruling it out. it could be a possibility. >> interesting, sara. calling loud as ever to step down but as you said there is a mechanism to do that. why not already initiate that mechanism if they believe it's really something they should do?
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>> reporter: absolutely. and the mayor said that himself. look if you recall me i will obviously have to step down but until then he said look i'm from this city. i grew up here. i used to ride bicycle up and down. he's not going anywhere unless they use those legal mechanisms to make him go. anderson? >> is there any update on the condition of the officers? we know they were released from the hospital yesterday. >> reporter: no they have not talked to us about that. we know they were at home as you just stated but we did talk to someone from the st. louis police association who said at this point until they get a little more time and heal a little bit more they're not sure whether they'll be able to return to their normal police work. anderson? >> sara thank you. part of the investigation involves figuring out what type of weapon was used in the shooting. see muzzle flashes 125 yards away. gary tuchman went to a shooting range to see how it would be for
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a rifle to be accurate at that distance. >> reporter: the advanced bullets gun range in temple georgia, we come to find out about long-distance weapon firing. and accuracy for both rifles and pistols at 125 yards. the distance police in missouri believe a bullet traveled to wound two police officers. >> this ammunition is 308. >> reporter: a .308 caliber. it's 110 yards away presumed the same as the ferguson gunshots. after a short lesson i take a shot. >> i put it against my shoulder and here we go. i think that's a good shot. >> reporter: indeed the bullet hits the target first try, direct hit. same results with the second try.
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so there's no question such a rifle is capable of the shootings in missouri. but what about a pistol? weapon not as high powered and designed for closer range. this is a glock .9 mill meet ter. >> we do not shoot past 11 meters. >> about 12 yards but will range farther than the target. >> about 110 yards with the pistol. >> reporter: the bullet barely misses the target. the pistol doesn't have a scope. it isn't as accurate as the rifle but it certainly would have hit somebody standing at a group from that distance. >> so there's no question someone can fire it and it will go under 25 yards. >> yes. the bullet will go that far. yes, sir. >> reporter: how much farther? >> a lot much further. it could be 200, 300. but that bullet is going to drop after a certain distance. >> reporter: for that reason the pistol is to be slightly
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tilted up to hit the intended target at that distance. there's also the possibility that in ferguson somebody could have taken a wild shot simply in the direction of the officers. not intending to hit them, just hoping to scare them or the crowd. an act that would be beyond a bad idea. >> safety is number one. there's no more important rule or no more important thing to have ownership than gun safety. >> reporter: something nearly everyone in ferguson missouri would agree with. gary tuchman, cnn, temple, georgia. >> also number of people pointed out to me last night in ferguson at the time of the shooting police were actually bunched pretty close together so it didn't necessarily mean the shooter was all that accurate if they were just pointing in the right direction, the chance of hitting an officer was elevated because of the bunching. police radio dispatch is released. playing a small portion of it now gives you a sense of the chaos at the time. >> shots fired at this station.
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>> officer down. in need of aid. >> dan bongino and cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director, tom fuentes fuentes. how much tougher does the situation on the ground in ferguson make the police's job now in terms of finding whoever did this? >> well anderson the people that are looking for who did this are not the same officers that are going to be out here night after night protecting the protester and responding to that. you have st. louis county detectives diligently working to solve the case doing everything they can to locate the individuals responsible for the shooting. they have enough officers. they have the manpower to be able to do both and they're doing both. >> dan, i mean, one of the critical things though is getting, buying from the community. getting people to admit what they saw. that's often difficult in some
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communities in the best of times. in a place like ferguson where there's such distrust there's such animosity, it's got to make it all the more difficult though. >> good point, but nothing makes a community coalesce more than the tragic killing of those two nypd officers and then violence directed at police officers. outside of a fringe element in the united states very few people would ever support directed targeted violence at police officers. and one of the points they brought up that was pretty good in the prior segment is it did you want matter if they were shooting at the police or those two police. if they were shooting at the police in general, this is the kind of thing that's universally scorn. >> and tom, the fact that they don't know if it's one shooter or two or exactly what kind of gun or at least publicly haven't said what kind of gun was used does that make the investigation more difficult now or does that not really matter at this point? >> what's difficult, anderson
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is they don't have a description of who pulled the trigger to send the bullets at the police officers. people saw a muzzle flash and heard the noise coming from up the hill up the road from where the officers were standing but nobody got a clear look at the shooters. the one vehicle that was seen driving away quickly were the three people that turned out to be innocent. they just left because they were afraid and fleeing the scene which is often what happens in these shooting situations. the descriptions given to the police of the potential shooters are just citizens afraid and trying to get the heck out of there before they get shot. so that's part of the problem here. one dad also anderson from the beginning over the last 200 plus days the days when there was particular violence it was often caused by people from outside of ferguson, in some cases, the greater st. louis area or even coming cross country to cause trouble. so when we talk about the
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difficulty in the community here the community can be helping the police but there might not be much they can do for the police if these were outsiders unknown to the local people. >> and tom, crime stoppers are offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the suspect. incentives like that in the past how much have they actually helped the process? >> reporter: well they do help. and the publicity often helps but it would help a lot more if there was more description as to what happened here. so i think that creates the problem but when you look at publicity in any major crime whether it's america's most wanted or the hunt with john walsh or the fbi's top ten most wanted list those programs are very effective but it's where you have a description of somebody either by name or a good physical description. we don't have that yet in this case. >> and dan, i mean, the chief talked about the reach where there's an absence of credible information coming in saying that's the point at which you need to stop need to regroup.
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does it seem like that because the chief doesn't think they were. >> tom brought up great points. i add to that they may be at an impasse here. anderson they are absolutely going to need the weapon used in the assault. i'm sure they recovered the round sadly from the officer's body. those rounds all leave fingerprints. they're going to need that weapon for whatever if it was a rifle in the barrel and then help outside of that. there's not a lot of information. you might be correct, they're at an impasse. >> hopefully they solve this thing quickly. dan bongino, tom fen tes as well. ahead, the sae chapter, the racist chant, they are pushing back with a high profile lawyer that said members are getting death threats. and aaron schock, a rising republican.
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the university of oklahoma chapter of sigma alpha epsilon
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is pushing back. the fraternity shut down after showing the members singing about black men hanging from trees. two were expelled and in a new twist, the chapter's board of trustees hired high profile lawyer stephen jones. jones said a lawsuit against the university isn't their first choice but he did not rule it out. >> we are not here because we are interested in a legal solution. we hope and i hope my statement will make it clear that we seek to have some other resolution of this matter. i have been retained to represent the chapter and its members where they wish to do and any matters that may relate to the due process of the students. but our first concern is for the physical safety. >> mr. jones said that some members of the disbanded sae chapter perceived death threats and others physically assaulted. did not go into specifics.
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he was hired by the board of the local sae chapter, not the national organization that continues to review the incident. let's talk about now. cnn legal analyst, mark geragos and jeffrey toobin. mark they're not ruling out a lawsuit. they don't want to do that. do they have a case? >> not as far as i can tell. he's interested in a gentleman's agreement. maybe mark can correct me but in my experience when someone wants a gentleman's agreement, they hope for a deal because they don't really have a case. if he had a case, he'd be threatening it. remember. it's not just that the university wants them off campus. it's the national organization of the frat. so they i don't know who they'd sue. how could they sue their own fraternity because it's their own fraternity that threw them off as well as the university. >> mark i mean anybody could file a lawsuit. what would they actually sue for? >> if they were shut down by the president, this is where jeff and i were discussing this earlier today, then i could see the lawsuit against the
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university because frankly, this is right smack dab in my opinion in the middle of the first amendment. it's vile, repulsive speech. but it's clearly protected speech. i don't think it's close. i think the aclu came out today with the same thing. if you see kkk marchers in skokie it's protected speech even though it's repulsive. from what i understand it's their national chapter who shut them down and that's a real problem. what, are they going to sue the national chapter and get the chapter back? >> the incident was on one of five buses, i guess, going to some party for members who were not on that particular bus, do they then have a better case against those who were on the bus? >> i don't think so. this was bad enough for the national organization to shut it down. just because not every single member in the frat was chanting.
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you have to either accept the responsibility for the fact that you're in an organization. >> you believe it's not protected speech. go back and forth on it. >> i don't, but remember. this is not a public march. yes, it is true. they could chant this on the street. but they are also a registered part of the university. the university has a right and an obligation to maintain relationships with all the students and create an atmosphere where all students are welcome and they have a guy. >> if you're president of the university in oklahoma the last thing you want is for people to portraying your university like this but this is not the last kids young kids and they're in college and they do stupid things and they say stupid things and that's what you, to some degree want in a
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university. you want this free throe offlow of exchange of ideas, even if it's repulsive or vile. i think it's an unfortunate situation. i think they could have been suspended or agreed to do training. all kinds of things. i think this is way overboard. >> you look at this on one hand it's great it was captured on tape because people see it and can discuss it and can start a dialogue. on the other side and shourly from the perspective of those who support the people involved here the families of the people involved here you think about, well what stupid things did i do in college, horrible cruel things i did in my past that had it gotten out when i was that age would have ruined my entire life? >> i mean i don't have a lot of sympathy for that. when you're talking about lynching black people at a bus which is a student function i mean it's not in a dorm room. it's not in a bar. this is an organized frat activity.
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>> and clearly something that had been done plenty of times before. >> everybody apparently all knew the words. i don't worry about the chilling effect. if that kind of speech is chilling as far as i'm concerned, good. >> i'm not a parent, but if i had a kid just in this day and age with everybody being video taped, the stakes are so high on young people today. >> in the interest of full disclosure i've got a son. he was a member of sae in college. not at oklahoma. these kind of things just terrify me. you just live for, in trepidation at any moment your kid could do one stupid thing and that destroys them. and i agree with you. this is the worst kind of speech. we've had this argument on this show so many times how i've heard these kind of things growing up and hear it behind closed doors. people say we're in a post-racial society, we're not. i think these kind of things can be pivotal in terms of teaching
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people. >> no doubt about it. >> i don't think we have to get to the point where we take such draconian measures. >> i think you can draw distinctions among different types of embarrassment. i have a kid in college. you know drunken selfies are something everyone worries about but will not ruin people's lives and nor should they but this speech is different. this is really deeply sinister. it's not just speech it's behavior. >> but don't you think -- >> the behavior reflects on actual actions, not admitting somebody to an organization. >> but you've got the public shaming aspect of this which to some degree i think is in and of itself enough punishment. i mean on top of it we're going to pile up? when these two kids idiots that they are, do they deserve to have their lives ruined over this? >> i don't think their lives are going to be ruined. they got thrown out of this college. they'll get into a different college. >> can you imagine being the admissions counselor when they
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vote to transfer? >> admissions essay might be interesting. >> mark geragos, thank you. jeffrey toobin as well. did the secret service agents who crashed to the white house, did they mess up an active investigation? pushback on that story and a lot of details on that. aaron schock ending the week with new questions about alleged ethics labs talking about a photographer he brought with him on a trip to india without disclosing it. over 20 million kids everyday in our country lack access to healthy food. for the first time american kids are slated to live a shorter life span than their parents. it's a problem that we can turn around and change. revolution foods is a company we started to provide access to healthy affordable, kid-inspired chef-crafted food. we looked at what are the aspects of food that will help set up kids for success? making sure foods are made with high quality ingredients and prepared fresh everyday. our collaboration with citi has helped us really accelerate the expansion of our business in terms of how many communities we can serve.
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tonight, different pictures emerging with the latest secret service fiasco we told you about. driving in a government car, crash into a barrier at the white house interrupting an active investigation. one was allegedly drunk. one was second command of president obama's private detail. as reported wednesday, they've been temporarily reassigned but tonight, two law enforcement investigations pushing back on that version of the event. michelle kosinski joins me with the latest. what are the law enforcement sources saying? they call to question the narrative of exactly what happened. >> reporter: exactly. they're familiar with the investigation as well as familiar with what the videotape showed. they say these agents driving in the same car were going literally one mile an hour and that they went under some police tape so they did enter the area that was under investigation because it was a suspicious package, but these sources say
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that they went up to a checkpoint and in getting to the checkpoint they nudged one of those orange plastic barriers out of the way. there was no crash and no damage. they nudged this out of the way a few feet went to the checkpoint showed their badges with the window down about 25 second waved on to the next checkpoint, call was checked and that was the extent of it. they say these agents didn't get out of the car. the whole thing lasted a minute and the sources say they're also now calling into question that allegation that they were drunk. they're not sure where along the process that came from. there's a question now, did that allegation come up sometime later? it wasn't that night, was it a day or two later even after the fact? and why did that come up in the way it did, if it seems that there was nothing on the scene to show that there was a suspicion? that's according to these sources. they say nobody they've spoken
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to can even corroborate that and you have different sources saying different things at different times, anderson. >> and what whatever happened that night, and obviously it seems like it's in contention now, the director of the secret service wasn't told about it for several days right? >> reporter: right and it's possible staffers at the white house knew about it before he did. our law enforcement sources say that should not have happened especially nowadays. he should have been notified right away. somewhere along the communication up the chain, that failed. >> and the woman who left a suspicious package that night, was she already on the secret service's radar? >> reporter: yeah she was. i mean apparently according to people we've talked to they were well aware of her and what was interesting is that she fled the scene in her car. there was a bulletin put out by the secret service to law enforcement to be out on the lookout for her and law enforcement caught up with her in virginia four days later. when arrested her, she had
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sprawled across her car in marker white house bound, told deputies she was running for president and yeah this is someone the secret service was familiar with. we asked the question it took four days for somebody to catch up with her. isn't that another failure? but law enforcement sources we've talked to said well when you look at the secret service, their goal is to secure the scene and they're in fixed position. they can't necessarily go jump in a car chasing someone. that happens after the fact with other law enforcement agencies. >> michelle appreciate the reporting. thank you. we got word that aaron schock cancelled his appearance at the south by southwest festival in austin texas, this weekend. the embattled representative was supposed to speak on millennials, the unstoppable force. tonight, facing new questions. this time a trip to india and didn't disclose information required under house rules. representative schock isn't shy about sharing pictures of himself on instagram. we've seen him parasail and
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posing with famous people. likes to travel with planes owned by donors. used campaign and funds to pay for these is under scrutiny. >> do you want to answer questions? >> reporter: questions keep coming for aaron schock now facing allegations he broke house ethics rules by not disclosing he took a photographer with him on the trip to india last august as part of his work to support clean water initiatives. >> more people own a cell phone in this world and have access to a toilet. >> reporter: the dallas based photographer jonathan link traveled to take photos of schock and the global poverty project. the anti-poverty group that paid for the trip. members are allowed to travel with a family member or a staffer on an outside group's dime as long as they disclose it.
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but name appears nowhere that schock filed after the trip well documented on his instagram feed. it's not clear whether he has photos were taken by link. it was also not clear with link was a staffer at the time of the trip. schock's office paid link's photography studio for work in april and may of 2014 but link doesn't appear on schock's personnel payroll until september 1st a few days after the india trip. schock's spokesman did not respond to questions about link including when he was hired. schock is a prolific fundraiser who brought in millions in the last election cycle according to open secrets. he's hired two high-powered washington lawyers to take a close look at his books after multiple allegations he's used taxpayer and campaign money for personal business. >> i've said that i take my compliance obligations seriously and i'm conducting a full review of that. >> reporter: in the meantime the questions will continue. >> you understand why people are
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concerned? enjoy your time in the 8th district. >> reporter: athena jones, cnn, washington. a rare look ahead at royal life. exclusive interview with prince charles. what he has to say about his trip to the united states next week.
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prince charles is getting personal. the future king talks about his trip next week to the united states. on the agenda another visit to the white house. here's some of max's exclusive interview. >> reporter: the prince of wales just doesn't do interviews often and when he does he doesn't want to talk about anything personal but decided to do so now. he invited us into his home in scotland to do just that. >> i must admit, quite a lot of the presidents of the united states. >> reporter: and quite often, those encounters have taken place at the white house, during charles' tours of the united states. >> it's a country that you've visited many times officially and privately. there must be a country you're very fond of. >> i think i'd be 20 times or something, in the last 45 years.
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>> reporter: as prince charles and the duchess of korn wal prepare for their four-day tour of the exclusive interview. >> invited my sister and i in 1970 at the white house by president nixon for the weekend. that was quite amusing. that was the time they tried to marry me off to trisha nixon. >> reporter: ten years ago, camilla joined charles. their first official overseas visit. [ applause ] >> 2005 your first joint overseas tour with your new wife the duchess of corn wall. what are your memories of that
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more happening tonight. gary tuchman has a "360" news and business bulletin. >> breaking news out of the south pacific. a massive category five sigh loan with winds topping 150 miles per hour in bamawatu. red cross reported unbelievable destruction and humanitarian needs are enormous. mr. obama met the parents of kayla mueller, who was murdered by isis last month. talked about kayla's hands, a foundation set up aimed to improve the lives of others. and rejoins tomorrow saturday is pi day. you see the infinite series of digits that make up pi on the screen. take a look. tomorrow marks once in a century opportunity with one of the first digits of pi. 3.141592653 and don't want to miss it. one thing for sure in 2015 the next time it happens, sadly, we
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