to $1,400. >> we charge the customer $15 an hour for labor. market rate is about $100 an hour. we don't do any mark-up on the parts. so we are a lot less. you're looking at about 300 bucks. >> three? okay. i'd even give you guys more, you know? >> a car that works allows them to meet the basic needs of their lives with dignity. thanks for your patience. >> a hug. it's just a lot of weight off my shoulders. >> thanks. take care. it's about moving people forward and moving their lives forward. >> i am back at the top of the hour 7:00 eastern here with more news. right now, smerconish. i'm michael smerconish. welcome to the program. breaking news. cnn is learning of some real doubts about the latest scandal swirling around the secret service.

questions about whether aspects of it are true. let's start at the beginning. this week "the washington post" reported on the troubling incident involving two senior agents who allegedly went out drinking and then drove a government car into an investigation of a suspicious package right in front of the white house. all of this was particularly frightening since one of the men is the number-two agent who directly guards president obama. but now two law enforcement sources tell cnn that story was overblown. officials tell cnn that the agents simply drove up to the investigation scene, not into it and there's not clear evidence that they were drinking. nor is it clear that there was any discussion of giving them a sobriety test. still, there are serious questions about the incident. let's go to cnn's erin mcpike stand big at the white house with the latest. erin? >> michael, we should point out there has been no public accounting from this the secret service about what actually happened. it has all been background information. the only thing that we do know

from the secret service from their spokesman is that there is an investigation into this incident. now, the incident occurred on march 4th and what happened is that there was a retirement party at a bar in chinatown that is seven blocks due east of the white house. and these two senior secret service agents were at this party for their colleague. they came back at the end of the night in a government car so that the other agent could get his car, which was located here and at the time there was an area blocked off by the barricade at the white house because there was some suspicious activity, there had been a bomb threat and there were secret service agents investigating that. the two men in this car drove up to the edge of that activity and their car tapped an orange barrel that was outside the area. there was no collision. there was no damage. there may not even have been an ask for a sobriety test. that's what we still have to figure out. but the problem here is that the incident wasn't reported to joe clancy who is the director of

secret service, until five days later, and that's what's raising a lot of questions about the culture at the secret service and has clancy really restored credibility to this agency since he took over several months ago. >> but erin, if the incident was overblown, and you're making it clear we don't know at this stage, but if, in fact, it was overblown in the presentation in "the washington post," that might explain why it wasn't brought to the atengts of the director for those five days. >> that is exactly right. what is clear is that there was potentially some sort of misconduct but because it made it into "the washington post," it is clear that joe clancy needed to be involved in some way. it also has made its way to the white house, but they're looking for some answers so joe clancy will be giving those answers to capitol hill in a series of private and public briefings on monday and tuesday. and we have already heard from the house republican who leads the committee on government

oversight and reform and he has been very concerned about what joe clancy knew and when he knew it. and those questions will come out in the coming days michael. but there are some details we just can't know because obviously at this point there cannot be a sobriety test because it's ten dais later. >> the image that was created at least in my mind by the initial reporting of this incident is these individuals had had way too much came barreling out of play the white house, smashed into a barricade and interrupted what was then an active crime scene. that might not be the case. that's the take-away. right? >> absolutely the take-away, that they may not have been drinking at all, they may have had one drink or two, much earlier in the night, and may not have been drunk at all, and just came back and were around the area where this investigation was going. but nothing may have hammed. there could have been a lot of misleading information give on the "washington post." >> erin thanks for that report. joining me now is ron kessler. he's a "new york times" best-selling author of several books about the secret service. he's also an award-winning investigative reporter.

ron, what do you make of this latest development? >> i think this is a typical cover-up by the secret service, and i'm very used to seeing that because they've tried to cover up revelations in my book "the first family detail." "the washington post" reporting on the secret service problems has been very accurate and why is it that these two very high-ranking individuals were removed from their posts and put in nonoperational positions? obviously something very serious happened there. and this so-called -- >> you used the word cover-up and perhaps that's what the evidence will show. i'm far more concerned that their reputations -- these men are innocent until proven guilty -- that their representations have been besmirched with a rush to judgment. >> well you know, the so-called pushback is all anonymous. if really there was a factual basis, the secret service would issue an on the record statement about it. and the fact they removed these individuals tems you that in

fact they were involved in wrongdoing. and joe clancy, the new director appointed by president obama despite all the recommendations of his own panel that he get an outside director to shake-up the secret service, is very good at covering up. i'll give you one example, there are many at a hearing on the house -- in the house he was asked why is that the secret service issued false information about the intrusion by mr. gonzalez at the white house? why is it that the secret service said he'd been apprehended at the door? that was not true. he went all the way into the white house. why did they say he was not armed? that was not true. he was armed. and is anybody going to be held accountable? and the answer from clancy was, oh there was no problem there. >> but, ron, respectfully in this case he wasn't told for five days. the criticism is that he was out

the of the loop so how can you possibly say that he's been involved in some degree of cover-up? may i share with you what most troubles me about this incident that hasn't been reported on in the media because i think our attention has become diverted to what happened at that quote, unquote, crash scene, which apparently wasn't even a crash, it's this -- a woman shows up at the white house, comes to the perimeter and she -- you know, as initially reported drove a government car into the white house security barricades after drinking late at night at that party last week. but the underlying incident was that a woman comes up to the white house and says i think this is an f'ing bomb and throws an object later revealed to be a book has some kind of a skirmish with an officer outside the white house, and gets away. and wasn't apprehended for two full days. i hate the idea that someone can come up to the perimeter of the white house, pose a bomb threat and be able to escape without being apprehended. what's your thought on that?

>> i don't see that is necessarily a problem. you know law enforcement doesn't have supernatural powers to apprehend everybody. >> at the white house? at the perimeter of the white house? what if she were a radical islamist and she was a member of isis or some affiliate group and, in fact it were a bomb and thank god they were able to stop it before it detonated? we'd all be talking about that. that's what concerns me is that the white house is vulnerable. >> that's certainly something that should be looked into. there are not very clear examples of secret service screw-ups that are very scary and agents tell me that it's a miracle there has not already been an assassination given all the problems that are coming out. in my book "the first family detail," i go into dozens of other examples. for example, agents will let people into events without magnetometer screening or metal detector screening. that's outrageous. >> let me ask you this question and i can put up on the

screen -- there have been a number of high-profile incidents recently involving the secret service. let's just remind our viewers of some of the things the prostitution issue in columbia drunkenness in amsterdam, the white house fence jumper the guy who was armed and on an elevator with the president, and now this more recent incident that we're discussing. in your book you write that the obamas have been very considerate of the united states secret service, that they have treated the united states secret service with dignity and with respect, which i think is a wonderful thing. but might that be to their detriment? in other words, might the president be too reluctant to put the hammer down to protect his own security because he is so respectful of the secret service and the role they play? >> i think that's a very good point. he is mesmerized by those agents who are very impressive and he thinks well the whole secret service must be like that. but somehow the rest of the world knows that this agency has become an embarrassment.

and really at this point, there's one person responsible for the problems at the secret service and that is obama, because over and goempb going back to the intrusion at the state dinner at the white house by the salahis, the party crasher, obama keeps saying i have full confidence in the secret service, and over and over again he ease said that. the fact is he needs to bring an outsider for example a former high-ranking inging fbi official who could shake up the agency not be beholden to the interest within the agency. whenever any organization is in trouble you bring in someone from the outside to shake it up. >> ron kessler, thanks for your expertise and for being here. ? thank you. ferguson missouri is unraveling under the question of which official may be the next to go? i'll tell you about one possible solution to ferguson's problem, truly a radical idea. and more fallout from that racist video that took down the

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welcome back. ferguson missouri is unraveling. the city manager has stepped

down, the police chief has stepped down now protesters are calling for the head of the last man standing, the mayor of the city james noles. but the mayor tells cnn he's not going anywhere. >> i think it's important to recognize that there's a lot of people who may be angry at the situation, a lot of people who are frustrated in this community with the way things have gone down but there's a lot of people who still expressed it to me expressed confidence in both my willingness and members of the council's willingness to listen to be responsive and to make changes as necessary. people in the community recognize this. not everybody. i didn't win every time 100% of the vote but i can tell you there are ways to remove me if that is the will of the people. >> this as a massive manhunt continues for the person who shot two police officers after a fresh round of protests this week. so how to fix ferguson's deep systemic problems. one man says ferguson is so bad that it simply cannot be fixed, get rid of it he says abolish the town.

jarvis debary has put forward that idea a columnist for the "new orleans times-picayune" and he joins me now. you quoted james baldwin this week who 55 years ago wrote "a ghetto can be improved only one way -- out of existence." is that how you see ferguson? >> yeah. it pretty much is how i see ferguson. you know st. louis county which isn't a large geographic area at all, has 89 municipalities which is just jaw dropping to me that a place of such a compact size would have that many municipalities. and reading the justice department report about all the things that have happened in ferguson there is clearly a despicable philosophy guiding that government which is basically that we are going to go after anybody and everybody we can, grab them by the ankles turn them upside down and shake all their pockets out just so

our government can keep existing. and i think that a government that is doing that to its people routinely and as a matter of philosophy has lost all legitimacy and ought to be abolished. i understand the argument that says 89 municipalities you've got to feed the beast, you've got to be able to fund that apparatus. >> yes. >> here's what worries me about the solution. let me show my viewers and read to you what "the new york times" reported last sunday on its front page about the surrounding area. "if the shooting of michael brown had take nl place about 500 yards to the southeast he would have died not if ferguson but in the neighboring city of jennings. the court system which is overseen by a white judge but has almost exclusively black defendants routinely sends peel to jail for failure to pay minor traffic fines, a new lawsuit alleges. had the shooting occurred 3 1/2 miles to the north, the world might turn to a city where police stop black motorists at a

rate nearly three times the share of the population. court fines and fees accounted for over 40% of the city's general operating revenue last year." so perhaps i guess what i'm saying is there would be a cost savings if you were to go through consolidation, but the net-net would be the same result as it applies to minorities. >> i can't dispute that report. but the problem is much bigger than ferguson. the problem is st. louis county as a whole and i think ferguson just happens to be the place that michael brown was shot and it just happens to be one of the worst offenders. the justice department report which to me everybody ought to read is required reading for i think an american citizen these days talks about how not only were the ferguson officials bragging and boasting about the amount of money they were taking in but they were also boasting about the amount of money they were taking in relative to other

municipalities in the county. so they saw themselves as kind of i guess the dubious leader in an amount of money that they were getting out of their citizens. no i don't say that other municipalities in st. louis county are better. but i think a message has to be sent that you can't have all of these little municipalities competing against one another and then competing against one another to see how much money they can extract from obviously poor people. >> mr. deberry thanks for your comments. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> now for a different point of view. for many who protect and serve in this country, our police officers the deep tensions in ferguson have a whole different meaning. many in law enforcement believe events in ferguson have sparked a war on them fueled by anti-cop hatred and rhetoric. joining me now milwaukee county sheriff david clark. sheriff, welcome, and respond to what you just heard about this notion of consolidation. would that change anything? >> i don't know. you know we have to look at

what has led to the rise of the american ghetto in the united states to begin with and i think it's failed liberal government policies that have torn a black family apart, created a lot of dysfunction. some of this is self-inflicted. when you have kids out of wedlock, you don't embrace education, involve yourselves in drug and alcohol abuse. you're not going to do very well in life. however, some of what was mentioned about what's going on in ferguson and other cities across america is also happening at the federal level with the irs, and i don't hear too many calls for abolishing the irs. so what we need to do is take a look at -- >> i understand the comment about the breakdown of the family being a contributing factor to crime. i happen to share that. but i don't understand what that has to do with the irs. >> it has a lot to do with the irs. picking people's pocket turning people upside down and shaking their pockets out to create revenue to spend on these failed liberal government policies. if we want to straighten this

out and we really want to get to the heart of this matter we're going to have to eliminate the dysfunction that happens in many of these american ghetto where is people can't find meaningful work. they have to send their kids to failing k-12 public schools. there's chronic unemployment high unemployment in these areas, and they're crime riddled. those are the things that i think we need to have the discussion about instead of laying this at the foot of the american police officer. i'm tired of these two-bit politicians and bureaucrats taking all of the pathologies and maladies of the american ghetto and laying i at the feet of our nation's finest our community's finest. we have to go in to save other good law-abiding people. the overwhelming majority of people that live in these areas are good law-abiding citizens and we have to keep them separated from the criminal element which involve assort of policing. when things go wrong in our world, and they can, and they often do like what happened in ferguson then what we need is

for responsible people to use their heads and not inflame the situation, not rush to judgment and then apply the facts and the evidence to the rule of law, and we have to accept the decision. we don't have to like the decision that comes out of these grand juries but we have to accept it. and until we start to do that you're going to continue to see this assault on our nation's finest, the american police officer. it happened in l.a. it happened in san francisco. it happened in new york. this is happening all across america. and that's why i say they need to stop laying this stuff at the foot of the american police officer. if we don't go -- who else is going to do it? who else is going into these crime-ridden areas, these american ghettos, trying to save other black people? >> is there a benign nondiscriminatory explanation for the data that has made so many headlines? you know the data that african-americans comprise 67% of the ferguson population but account for 85% of the car stops? that's just one of many data

points. is there a nondiscrimination explanation behind that that you could offer? >> sure. you could cherry-pick data all you want. that wasn't an objective report by attorney general eric holder. he came to the conclusion first and went out and found information and found data to support his claim. you know he finds a couple of distasteful, disgusting e-mails. out of how many that he looked at? we found the same thing at sony picture, yet i didn't hear anybody indicting the entire motion picture industry as being racist. what eric holder did not mention in his report was that blacks -- the astonishingly disparate rate of criminal involvement by young black males and the astonishing rate of victimization of other black people as well. in milwaukee, for instance, in 2014 72% of the homicide victims were black people. 80% of the known or named suspects were black as well.

those are astonishingly disparate figures that we have to add to this report as well but eric holder chose to dismiss that. >> you anticipated my next question which is to say would we, if we looked at the data points for your area come to a similar conclusion. i wish i had more time because i enjoy what you have to say. we'll do it again. thank you. >> thank you. coming up sigma alpha epsilon is fighting back and lawyering up. the high-profile attorney for the disbanded sae chapter at the university of oklahoma says he's not ruling out suing the school.

welcome back. two students have been expelled from the university of oklahoma for singing that racist song. and the school's president says more expulsions could be coming. steven jones, the lawyer hired by the fraternity is hoping that the issues can be resolved

out of court. here's what he said at a press conference yesterday. >> we are not here because we are interested in a legal solution. we hope and i hope my statement will make it clear, that we seek to have some other resolution of this matter. >> let's bring in a professor at ucla law school. he's also the author of a great blog. professor, is the reason that he says he is seeking a nonlegal solution because he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on? >> i think when he says nonlegal solution he means they don't want to have to go to court. and there's a good reason not to want to go to court because that's going to be more bad publicity for them. but he's a lawyer. if he's going to be asking the university to do something, it will be because he has a legal argument and his legal argument is strong. the fist amendment protects all

sorts of view points including racist viewpoints. there is no exception for racist heat or hate speech or for speech by university students. >> so you think that the claim on behalf of the fraternity against the university if it were to go to litigation, is a strong claim. let me now talk about those two individuals who have either withdrawn or been expelled depending on whom you ask. does the president of the university of oklahoma dave boren, does he have legal standing to expel them for their racist speech? >> no. in fact the first amendment protection for those students i think is even stronger than for the fraternity. as to the fraternity one could argue that the fraternity is being punished not just because of the speech but because the fraternity may have acted in a racist way and excluding, for example, black applicants and the like. it's an interesting question and the university seemed to stress just the speech. but you could say the fraternity

would be liable there. but the students are being punished solely because of their expression of these awful ideas, but, indeed expression of racist views, and that's something that the first amendment does not allow. >> what if those students are actually acting on their racist views? what if in fact there haven't been bids offered during the pledge process for african-americans interested in joining that fraternity? would that strengthen the hand of the university president in expelling them if that's what he chooses to do? >> well the university president actually stressed that it was the racist speech of the students that was the reason for the expulsion. it's not like there was any fact-finding that well there were particular students excluded by the fraternity and such. but if indeed there was discrimination by the fraternity not just speech but conduct, then indeed the kind of punishment that is normally meted out for violation of these kinds of rules could, indeed, be applied, so longs as it's not a

pretext for expelling the students based on their views. i highly doubt that the university regularly expels students for violations of, for example, fraternity admissions rules. as i understand it, for example, there's been at least one incident in which it hasn't expelled a student even though the student was guilty of a violent attack. i believe his girlfriend, in my recollection. so if the university president says oh we think you may have been involved in a discriminatory action as a member of the fraternity that's going to get you expelled that's not something that a court is going to take very seriously pip think the court is going to see through that and say, well this is actual lay pretext for expelling the students based on the viewpoints they're expressing. >> professor, final question. i lived in a fraternity for three years, and at the university that i attended as an undergraduate, there was a house for every personality, a house for every ethnic or racial stripe. and it makes me wonder, don't all fraternities to a certain extent discriminate? there was a stoner house. there was a jock house. there was a wasp house.

there was a jewish house. hopefully you get my point. >> well many universities have rules that say that fraternities may not discriminate based on race religion and similar characteristics. they could discriminate based on other things obviously any selected fraternity necessarily selects those whom it likes, but they can discriminate based on those criteria. i should say even if they discriminate naturally often birds of a feather flock together so maybe even without discrimination there may be houses identified more with a particular religious group or ethnic group precisely because even without discrimination that kind of social sorting takes place. >> professor eugene volokh the volokh conspiracy. thank you. >> thank you. join meganow is jonathan davis. he was the first african-american member of sae at the university of oklahoma. jonathan, what do you make of the news that your old house has

now lawyered up? >> i think initially when i read the headline it was that, you know there was a planned lawsuit and i certainly disagreed with that. and then as i watched the statement that was given, i actually do believe that they're not looking for, you know, to go to a lawsuit. from what i understand, you know and what i would say is that, you know there are a lot of guys who weren't involved in this incident specifically. i'm ip credibly upset about the whole thing as an african-american nicheof that fraternity to sing that song. i could do go off on a tandem. i won't. i believe fully in my heart not every member of that fraternity is racist or engaged in that type of behavior. and i think that for those people who weren't involved they

have -- again, they're getting threats of physical violence and are -- they deserve to be treated fairly the ones that were not involved with this incident and i don't think that you can say that every single essay on that campus, you know you can't pay them in the exact same light. >> you lived in that house in 2002. how many people of color were then members, residents of the sae house? >> do you mean specifically african-americans or do you mean minorities overall? >> all diversity. explain it in whatever terms would be accurate. >> i would say that -- gosh, you know, we had i would say maybe dozens of guys that were, you know of a different ethnic background not just strictly caucasian. >> the song. had you ever heard the song before before it all came to light in this video? >> i actually was a song

chairman at sae, you know, during my active period there, and i had never heard that song. and talking with my good friends and fraternity brothers none of them had ever heard the song. and so we were all floored and so hurt and disgusted when we heard it. and to know that it was our chapter -- you know, our fraternity our chapter at our university was -- i mean we were all just completely bewildered. we'd never heard that. >> you know, there have been reports of other sae chapters and i'm wondering if more shoes will drop to the extent that they do i'll be asking whether there's something particular about this fraternity. >> well i don't know the whole story. i don't know where this -- the impression that i get from this song is that someone did, in fact hear it from another chapter of the fraternity. i have no doubt that the

national organization had no idea this song was being sung again. i was a member -- song chairman. i had no idea. i'd never heard of this song. had i known of this song, i would have never affiliated myself with the house. i would have turned in my membership. so we really had no idea that this was out here. you know clearly this country has a very interesting and i think unfortunate history with, you know racial relations and racial tolerance. and it's possible that this song may have been sung and, you know a far by gone era in the united states and specifically with the fraternity. it could have been kept alive somehow by word of mouth. it certainly was not sanctioned by our chapter, our house, or the national organization whatsoever. >> jonathon davis, thank you. appreciate your being here. >> thank you. benjamin netanyahu is

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overshopping. welcome back. it's possible in a matter of days israel may have a new prime minister. tuesday israelis will vote and polls show they may not re-elect benjamin netanyahu. the controversial trip that he made to our congress hoping to help his re-election may have backfired. cnn's oren lieberman is stand big in jerusalem with the latest. what did the final polls taken before the election show? >> according to this last round of polling which came out

yesterday, benjamin netanyahu's party is falling behind. in the upcoming knesset he'll take 22 seats and his rival will take 26 seats. that's not a huge margin. he's not fall beg hind by some great margin. but it's important to notice that only a few weeks ago, this was neck and neck. they were each right around 24 seats, maybe 25 23 one way or the other. in these last few days these critical days before israelis head to the polls benjamin netanyahu is falling behind. so four seats not a huge gap but a very significant one this close to the elections. >> or ren, even if netanyahu's party, the likud party, doesn't garner the most votes, he could still keep his position right? >> and that of course is the complexities of israeli politics and how the knesset works. it's not just about winning the election. according to the polls, the polls suggest the zionist union will win the election and take the most seats. the real question is block put together a coalition government put together a team of at least

61 seat half the knesset. this is where netanyahu may have an advantage if the right-wing parties don't fall too far behind in this election. he is the an expert deal maker, a master politician and ideologically his likud party lines up with a few other parties on the right naturally. there are some natural alliances there. if those parties do well it could be netanyahu who's pinned to make the next coalition and to be once again israel's prime minister michael. >> and is the belief that the trip was a negative in israel the trip of course i referred to is speaking to congress? >> whether it was negative or not is a good question. it didn't seem to have any effect here though. it certainly wasn't a positive at least in terms of the polls. we saw the polls before the speech. we saw them right afterwards and there was no difference. israelis who liked him before still like him. those who didn't like him still didn't like him. no net effect of his speech. >> i note that he used the footage from that speech in his final wrap-up campaign commercial. by the way, something i think our own rules would not permit a

member of congress to do. >> sure. and whether it was or wasn't political, he of course, the whole time claimed it wasn't. he has since used the speech to hype up his strongest issue, security and the issue of a nuclear iran. if israelis voted on only that issue, then sure netanyahu is your next prime minister and that's the issue he's playing up. of course israeli voters have a number of reasons, not just security and it's the economy seen as his weaker issue and that's where hertzog and his zionist union rivals are hitting hard the last few days. >> or ren liebermann thank you. >> absolutely. a strong progressive fire brand emerging as a potential 2016 presidential candidate. bernie sanders joins me for a candid talk. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we're not just insuring our lives... we're helping protect his. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica.

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the field of potential 2016 candidates is taking place. we know those on the right and those on the left but with all the focus on hillary clinton's e-mail flap some democrat are talking about another name vermont bernie sanders, a self-described democratic social socialist whose four-decade political career has been all about championing causes for the working class. his recent forays into states like iowa and new hampshire have positioned him to emerge as a leading progressive challenger. senator bernie sanders joins me now. have the odds of your running increased due to secretary clinton's e-mail troubles? >> no. i think that is an issue that the inside the beltway punditry is very interested in. but i could tell you that in vermont that i think around the rest of the country that is not an issue of major interest. people are worried about how we create millions of job, how we deal with income and wealth inequality how we deal with climate change how we deal with

this disastrous citizens united a supreme court decision, i think hillary's e-mail issue is not a major issue. >> i would think bernie sanders as a champion of openness would be bothered by the lack of transparency that seems apparent with her e-mail account. >> well i could tell you in the last week we've gotten maybe five seven calls from our vermont offices. look, hillary hatz her problems. i have my problems. jeb bush has his. everybody has their problems. but i think it's imperative that we focus on why the middle class in this country for 40 years is disappearing why the top one-tenth of 1% owns more wealth -- almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. those are the issues that concern the american people. how do you make college affordable? how do we transform our energy system in order to reverse climate change? yeah hillary's e-mails to my mind not much of an issue. >> senator, maybe your time has come with regard to the issues

you champion. the issue of minimum wage seems right. the issue of problems for the middle class seems right. problems of health care and infrastructure repair. do you worry that voters won't be able to get past the s-word with regard to you, they won't listen to what bernie sanders has to say because they get hung on on what does it mean to be a self-described socialist? >> no i really don't. but i do think what does worry me is that at a time when we need more serious discussion about how we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create millions of jobs legislation that i've introduced how we're drawing the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to old people how we end this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision which allows billionaires to buy elections, those are the issues that we need discussion. and what does bother me is that i think media too often gets into gossip and personality stuff and does not allow us to

focus on those issues. if we could focus on those issues i think you're going to have a lot of people nodding their heads and say, you know what bernie sanders is right and maybe we can learn something from some of these social democratic countries in scandinavia and elsewhere, which guarantee health care to all their people, provide free college education. >> can someone such as yourself who is an antagonist to corporate interests raise the amount of money that's necessary to wage a successful presidential campaign? >> well michael, that is an excellent question. as americans, we should all be concerned about the imply kayications and we should all be concerned. when we have to be dependent on big campaign contributors who are very wealthy or be rich themselves, can an ordinary people who don't have a lot of money, which is me iran serious

campaign? that's one of the issues we are exploring. on the other hand i can tell you that we have done pretty well on the internet. the average contribution when i ran for the senate was something like $45. so you need a lot of those types of contributions to add up. but do i think we could do it? yeah i think we could raise a reasonable amount of money. >> if you take a shot, are you going as a d'or or as an i? >> there are advantages and disadvantages of both. i think there's a lot of unhappiness with the two-party system. more and more people are moving outside of it. on the other hand if you run as an independent, as i have my whole political life in vermont it's hard and it takes a lot of energy and money to get on the ballot in all 50 states. those are the pros and the con snoops 47 republicans sent a letter to iran. sit possible they actually did a favor to the administration and to secretary kerry because they set up a good cop-bad cop

routine? it gives secretary kerr tri ability to say to the iranians look at what i'm dealing with back at home you better make some concessions here. >> you know michael, i was thinking about that the other day. i think this letter signed by 47 republicans is an outrage, insulting, not just to barack obama, to the presidency of the united states. in many ways it does give john kerry and our negotiators the opportunity to say to their iranian counterparts look what i've got to deal with back home. let's see if we can reach an agreement. and the goal which i strongly sup sport to make sure that iran does not get a nuclear weapon but to do it in a way which prevents us from going to war, which is something that i think many of my republican friends may actually be looking forward to. >> okay. you're making news now because i think i'm hearing bernie sanders say the republicans helped the negotiation with the iranians.

that's a good thing. >> maybe they did. i don't think that was their intention. but who knows. the point is we have been in two wars terrible wars in afghanistan and iraq cost us just so many good young people in life injury $3 troll $6 trillion in cost. i don't think we need another war in iran. frankly, i don't think so. and i would hope that these negotiations are successful and that we achieve the goal of stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon but that we can do it without war. why? my republican colleagues do not want that same result is more than i can understand. >> teach all of us something about dealing with rejection. i just read a profile of bernie sanders from politico and i learned that you began your career in 1971. you ran four times in five years and never got more than 6% of the vote and look at you now.

how did you put up with the initial rejection? >> that's a great -- funny question. i think the answer may be that i may not be the brightest guy in the world but i'm fairly persistent persistent. in those days i was running on a third party, didn't have any money. it was an opportunity to speak to the people. it go 1% 2% 4% 6% before i finally won as mayor of burlington in 1981 by all of ten votes. whatever my opponents say, i'm a fairly persistent guy. >> saernld base a razor-thin margin in 2016. thank you, senator. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, michael. >> thank you so much for joining me. follow me on twitter. see you next week. know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations.

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