you can watch us sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. eastern. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, i'm brian stelter, it's time for "reliable sources." a big show ahead today. we begin with breaking news out of new orleans where robert durst was arrested. we found out about it. if you've been watching the remarkable miniseries is "the jinx." he's 70-year-old from the real estate moguls. he's had a very troubled life. he has elsu ifr suspect in the death of three people in three states. he's been never been found guilty. "the jinx" has been exploring

his past in exclusive details including an interview with him. hbo, a shocking conclusion. the tweet says "tomorrow on hbo." it airs tonight. now we know he's been arrested. that's about all we know at the moment but cnn will be staying with the story throughout the day and i'm sure there is more to come. we take a turn here to our other big story of the morning. that is the hillary clinton e-mail controversy. it is something that has dominated sunday morning talk shows, and it is something that is really all people are talking about when it comes to hillary clinton. but there is an important media angle that i want to tell you about. it's a first amendment tug-of-war. everybody has been asking everywhere i go this week how big a deal is it really? how big a deal and is it going to affect hillary clinton? i think it is a big deal. it matters to all journalists for the reason i'll tell you about. associated press filed a lawsuit against the state department. it is trying to get ahold of documents and records about

hillary clinton's time at the state department. it's not just about e-mails but involves e-mails. we have the top lawyer for the ap standing by. really this is about a first amendment tug-of-war. it comes as this clinton controversy is all anybody is talking about. i'm sure you watched, a very intense one with reporters on one side and clinton on the other. you heard what she said about the scandal. >> i have absolute confidence that everything that could be in any way connected to work is now in the possession of the state department. i feel that i've taken unprecedented steps to provide these work-related e-mails. they are going to be in the public domain. >> so clinton says she's sure the e-mails will get to the state department and they will be released to the public. but many journalists are not so sure. the associated press is the largest independent news organization in the world. it is ringing an alarm bell.

it is saying it's getting harder and harder for the government to give up public records. for us in the media and you in the public to get ahold of documents from the government. the phrase "united states of secrecy" sometimes comes to mind. for ap this is about more than clinton's e-mails. i'll tell you why that is. joining me for an exclusive interview karen kaiser general counsel for associated press, at the very top of the ap's ladder. thank you for being here this morning. >> thank you, brian. >> what i'm trying to make clear, what you are suing about isn't just e-mails but does involve e-mails during clinton's time as secretary of state. tell me what e-mails you're seeking. >> absolutely. the lawsuit comprises six different requests freedom of information requests that ap journalists sought from the state department. the requests are very wide ranging. they seek information of critical topics that affect the american public everything

ranging from obama bin laden raid to information about some of clinton's top aides to information about nsa surveillance. so the requests really are very wide ranging. they are not only about e-mails. they include requests for documents, calendar erss, notes e-mails as well. ultimately it is information that should be made available to the american people. >> you aren't suing hillary clinton directly but the state department. why did it get to this point? >> absolutely. we are suing the state department not former secretary clinton. we made the requests because these have gone unanswered for a significant period of time. our earliest request dates backs to 2010 others 2013. they have gone unanswered many years. the state department missed statutory deadlines, others itself for itself estimated completion. we've gone back and forth and they keep missing these deadlines. >> they say they are

overwhelmed, 19,000 last year. did they have enough people at the department to handle all these requests? >> well they did -- they claimed they received 19,000 requests last year and that is an awful lot of requests but they are legally obligated under the law to produce these documents. they have that requirement under freedom of information act. five years is way too long to wait. >> this happens to be sunshine week. i'll tell the viewers about it while you fix isb, sunshine something organized by journalists every year in order to bring attention to these issues about government documents and the public's right to have access to them. we see in state houses all across the country harder and harder kplimt for journalists to get ahold of these documents. karen, if you're back with me do you think there's a solution to this continuing pervasiveness of government secrecy? >> yes, i mean we are seeing continual problems brian. we are seeing continual problems mostly in terms of delays.

on the state level -- federal level, there are tons of delays. as we have seen repeatedly about the state department they are one of the worst offenders when it comes to delays. on the state level, enormous problem, also a problem in terms of redactions. >> a wide range. karen, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. check out sunshine week's website, learn more about this effort. even though we as journalists talk about importance of public documents and using freedom of information acts to get ahold of documents, it's really a law for the public to use as well. where some people see secrecy at work with the clintons others see self-preservation, something that's been seen for decades. as soon as the private e-mail story became public two weeks ago, the hillary clinton hate machine sprung into action. i'm talking about the people who love it hate the clintons. the people who can find conspiracy in even the smallest of their movement.

they have been around for decades. my guest guest used to be one of them. he doggedly chased the story of the white house lawyer that clinton may have had something to do with foster's suicide. the reality is foster's death was ruled a suicide and there was no murder or cover-up. couple decades later he's changed his tune warmed up to the clintons he traveled with former president bill clinton and donated $1 million to the clinton foundation. he says hillary would be a good president if she runs. he's still a conservative. he runs news max and plans to support gop nominee, whoever it is. this gives unique insight into clinton critics and how she can counter that. joining me from florida, good morning. >> brian, good to be on with you. >> i know people are always fascinated by the evolution in your relationship to the

clintons let's say. how do you explain it? >> well it's a long story. i was very close friend with ed koch former mayor of new york. he introduced me to bill clinton i really started to warm with bill clinton after he left the presidency when i started seeing what his foundation was doing and work he was doing as a post president. he really reinvented the job of being a post president. and i think, and i'm still a very big supporter of the foundation bill hillary, chelsea foundation. they are doing amazing work. i have always found it to be very, very nonpartisan. they have extremely competent people. there's always some sort of insinuation that there's something political or something malevolent and i just find those things to be totally bogus. >> you don't think the recent scrutiny by journalists about middle eastern contributions to the foundation is something that's legitimate and actually something that is going to

affect her? >> i think it's really good that the president, the former president went out and used his brand, his name his reputation to raise money all over the world, not just from places in the middle east but private corporations in the united states wealthy individuals all over the world. that money -- nobody really disputes this -- has gone to really good purposes for health care in the third world, poverty aleviation a sustainable development. so look at the result. i wouldn't worry about -- i think it's great arab countries or other countries want to donate to that foundation. nobody has ever really -- all this insinuation, again, no one has proved or said indicated there was some benefit or somehow secretary of state clinton did something to favor one of those donors. there's no evidence of that whatsoever. if there was, i think it should be investigated. >> i know you have unique insight into this world because

of your coverage in the '90s. with that in mind how do you think she handled the press conference last week and how is her organization handling all these questions? i think a lot of reporters have been really frustrated by the lack of answers. >> well i don't think it was really a great performance. but i also think she's in a very difficult position. people forget what the fame work of this whole situation is. every major company, every corporation in america, since the dawn of the internet have been properly storing archiving e-mails. cnn does it. the federal government hasn't figured out a disem yet. in fact president obama four years into his administration in 2012 finally issued a memo and said every agency needs to get systems archived but they only have to implement it in 2016 which just happens to be the year he's leaving presidency. hillary decided to start archiving these e-mails herself on her own server.

probably not a smart move but at least she was archiving. we now know other agencies didn't archive at all. so on one hand i think it's good she wants to release 55,000 pages. in fact she's called for the state department to do that. that's good. the bad side is she doesn't want anyone to look at the server. i think that's going to raise up all sorts of questions and suspicions. what i would suggest she do is an independent auditor come in just to review the server make sure no foreign government hacked it make sure all the data was properly transferred. someone like luis freeh, former director of the fbi, somebody independent to come in. >> you use the word spriggses that's what conservative media is so effective at and what you used to do, raise suspicions even if they aren't fair. >> brian, why are you blaming conservative media about this.

i read "new york times,"time magazine had a negative story. >> the clinton way, they write their own rules. will it work this time. "new york times" is the outlet that wrote this story a couple of weeks ago but i wonder if sometimes conservative media takes it too far and actually helps hillary clinton. >> ed klein was on larry cud low's radio story, various people in the obama administration peddling the story and pushing the story. >> that's exactly what i mean. there's no evidence for that. that's what i mean. >> we also know people on the democratic left original obama supporters they are probably finding great glee in this story. i think conservatives should handle this in the middle of the road approach saying look all the e-mails should be released. there should be a third party review of it but not make any accusation or allegation that

she was hacked or hid e-mails until the evidence proves it. but at the same time if the conservatives go too far, i saw this in the 90s myself clinton won two elections, he's still an extremely -- bill clinton -- still an extremely popular president. these attacks work in the bubble but don't win over middle voters. that's the problems republicans will have. >> chris, thanks for being here this morning. >> great being on with you, brian. >> we're going to have more on hillary clinton later in the program including why one veteran reporter uses the term ptsd. church of scientology new attacks owner documently about the religion. that filmmaker joins me for an exclusive interview next. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security.

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it. this is where former members describe the whole, so-called secret scientology compound where they say members were sent for punishment. >> the doors had bars put on them the windows all had bars put on them and there was one entrance door the security guard sat at 24 hours a day. >> i had to stay there, sleep there, i stunk, there were ants crawling around. you sleep about an hour two hours a night. you were in such a mental state, you're very controllable very suggest i believe. >> scientology has a history spending millions of dollars to silence crib. this time they are even buying google ads, if you google "going clear" you find videos produced by scientology rebutting documentary. here is one example. >> the hbo piece is textbook propaganda. gibbney hand picking sources to serve his version of the truth. less talk a look at what gibbney

sight on scene calls a prison camp. could have chosen administrative offices for church management. here is the reception. here is the conference room and the courtyard. what he showed instead, ants. >> over the weekend, there was another response actually a five-page response to the film. i wanted to get gibbney's reaction to that. i spoke with him a few minutes ago. alex thank you for joining me. >> diluted. good to see you, brian. >> you haven't responded to five-page letter from scientology report to hollywood reporter. when you read it i'm sure you've read it by now, what was your reaction? >> i found it frankly ridiculous. the hollywood reporter asked them 20 fact-based reasoned questions. the church dependent respond to any of them. instead they sent a five-page letter full of nasty invective character assassinations and innuendo which is typical of

the church. there's a doctrine called fair game critics, go after them any way they can to slander them put out all sorts of very mean-spirited attacks. it's interesting to me a church which is a religious organization in theory would spend so much time trying to provoke hatred. >> we're showing one of the videos produced now. in your film you talk about prison camps the church allegedly has. they show their administrative offices and say that's the site of the prison camp so-called prison camp. how do you explain that sort of contradiction? >> look we showed in the film and it's very clearly marked in the film we showed a photograph of the double-wide trailers that were the whole at the time. it's not there now. it upset the church was david

likes to believe his facilities are spanking clean and there were no ants. it was the ant thing that upset him. i think the most amusing thing they showed in the propaganda video, they showed vicinity but no people. the membership of scientology is mysteriously shrinking and shrinking fast. the other thing, they say very openly you can come and take a public tour of these facilities any time. it's not true. >> i'm sure you tried. what was the response from the church when you tried to gain access. >> at the time i didn't try to gain access to that facility. i wanted to go in and ask some very specific questions of some individuals who particularly related to the story. the key guy, because many of these decisions come from the top, recelentlessly refused to

talk to me or anybody. he's the head of the church but refuses to speak. there's other members we asked for comment but did not. >> they said our counsel will consider all options how hard was it to make this film keeping in mind all the legal issues. >> it was very hard. we had to be very careful, we're still being careful. >> in what way? how were you careful? >> we're rigorous in terms of how we checked our story, had it scrutinized by lawyers, not only our own lawyers but hbo's lawyers. we hired outside counsel. there was a headline briefly that hbo hired 160 lawyers. that wasn't true. that was hyperbolic statement meant for effect. as they say in journalism a fact too good to check. now, that phrase in and of itself has been put across my chest as if that's something i endure. i was just remarking on how a

number of press outlets around the country ran with that 160 lawyer figure as if it was fact which it never was. >> a lot of lawyers involved but not that many. let me ask you this full disclosure in business with cnn, film of steve jobs last night south by southwest. apple, of course secret of company, is there any comparison of scientology and any other topics you've ever covered in your films? >> well the -- in the case of apple, we got about the same response to our queries for access from apple as we did from scientology. more musinge amusing in the case of apple they said sorry, we don't have the resources for your request, which i found interesting for the most valuable company in the history of companies. >> i have a feeling they won't be buying google ads to try to discredit you.

>> that's true. that's true. >> here is what it says mr. gibbney avoided contact in the church for two years, then refused to provide the church with allegations to which we could respond. went on to say mr. gibbney was only interested in the story he preconceived and any facts that didn't further his agenda was an inconvenience to him. what would you want them to know before it comes on hbo. >> what i want them to know? >> about the process. >> it was simple. when i wanted to go to the church and i felt i had specific questions i wanted to ask church officials and church members, i went to them and was prepared to interview them and put them in the film if they had interesting things to say. so i felt i fulfilled my duties as a filmmaker and as a journalist. they all declined to comment. >> alex thanks so much for being here and commenting to me. >> thank you, brian.

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the public eye for deb aids. even in the early years clinton struggled with the press and privacy. here she is in 1994 as first lady. >> my sense of privacy. i do feel like i've always been a private person leading a public life led me to perhaps be less understanding than i needed to of both the press and the public's interest as well as right to know things about my

husband and me. i've always believed in a zone of privacy. i told a friend the other day i feel after resisting for a long time i've been rezoned. >> fast forward 21 years later and the conventional wisdom is that clinton still has not warmed up to the media. some don't blame her. she's been hounded at times over the years about monica lewinsky and other matters. still, eight days passed between "new york times" revelation about her private e-mail server and her press conference. here it is. maybe she felt hounded here too. take a look at this. >> why did you wait to turn the e-mails over. >> secretary clinton -- >> i'd be happy to have somebody talk to you about the rule. i fully complied with every rule i was governed by. >> let's look at the future by looking back at the past. i want to talk to two people who understood the relationship over the years.

reporter for "politico" covered in 2008 campaign. d.c. bureau chief for bloomberg news. thank you both for being here. >> good morning. >> glen you said you had ptsd after that campaign. why is that? >> i got a heck of a flashback last week i've got to tell you. i've been in a lot of those press conferences with her. my former colleague and myself wrote a story last year about hillary's very fraught relationship with the press. i think the most telling comment came from one of her long time senior advisers who told us she hates you, she's always going to hate you, and that is never going to change. i think it is fascinating looking at the statement from her about the zone of privacy from that famous pink press conference. i think, if anything it's intensified. in her two-year absence out of the spotlight, she has retreated behind the walls of her two mansions i think that is intensified. what you really saw last week was somebody who was being

pushed reluctantly out into the spotlight. my question is how do you go from being sort of cloistered to being the most scrutinized candidate maybe in the history of presidential candidates. >> i kept thinking last week glen there are stories, she's preparing to speak, address the crisis. walk out your front door up to the microphones and start talking or reapply on twitter. she could have engaged at any time but instead it was a careful press conference. when you watch the press currency and you've seen all this happen in the last few days what do you think this tells us about her relationship with the press and how she's gearing up for a campaign by hiring press aides. >> there's a couple of things that are at work. i don't think the press was her audience at all. she was trying to shore up democratic base get talking points to allies. democrats were eroding from her and saying things on television and talking behind closed doors. i think she needed to address that. whether she handled that or not,

i'm not sure. i think that was the intention. in terms of the relationship with the press, i think what clinton said was absolutely right. this is not a group of people she particularly likes. her reaction to the press and public disclosure is one of paranoia. that doesn't mean everyone is not out to get her. in a lot of cases everyone is out to get her. this is a pattern of behavior from her. they set up an e-mail system in 2009 one set of rules from her very different from the southwest rules from everyone else. watching reaction you asked about her aides, some people suggest not enough of an apparatus, i would say the opposite. there are two many people communicating with her about what to do hold off, get in talk as fast as possible something on twitter, do this do that. she's got way too many inputs and not enough making situations not the right people how to respond to this. >>-of- question rereading parts of the book hrc about her time as secretary of state. i wondered did all of us in the

press miss this giant story about her e-mails? it was hidden in plain sight. she was e-mailing people from a private account. did all of us miss it. >> it's hidden in plain sight if you have access to her server. not many reporters would be e-mailing her directly or them directly. sid blumenthal former reporter e-mailing her about what was going on in libya. maybe he counts. this is a situation where you couldn't possibly know without being on the inside that she had set up this system. look there are a lot of stories missed at the state department. the way in which we missed this one most a lot of us got foia requests denied from the state department that really should have been available to us. >> you're saying that was a sign. that was a sign of something going on. >> right. if you get back to something that says no existing document and you're pretty sure that document exists how the foia letters are often written, perhaps time for other

questions, why does this document not exist in the public domain. >> let me play devil's advocate via rachel maddow here is what she said this week on her program about hillary and the press. >> the media noise and static and nonsense is so loud is hard to have effective reporting about what she would be like as a national leader. seeing the scrum and stupidity around this coverage issue i worry about whether we're going to be well served by a beltway press corps that doesn't know how to talk about bill or hillary clinton without treading into real nonsense. >> glen what's the response to that as we all gear up for another campaign. >> i think that's silly. i think there's a ton of substantive reporting on hillary clinton. if you choose to hear static and noise, that's what you're going to hear. i think that's a convenient argument clinton and a lot of her surrogates make about this. i don't think you can deny some of the early reporting here investigating stuff, it's a choppy business hard to

disclose facts without making an error here or there. i think reporting, particularly on the e-mail story, while it might be a little bit over the top in terms of volume has been pretty good pretty solid. i think if you're only looking for stuff you're going to consider to be derogatory and silly, trust me there's a ton out there. that's all you're going to see. there's a ton of good reporting. by the way, even though a lot has been written about her, there are, as john pointed out earlier, a ton of stuff we do not know about her time at the state department or really even stuff she did in the white house. >> john i have a few seconds left used the word paranoid. wasn't to close with this. what happens if she becomes president. >> she ought to go out there and say any e-mails she sends are going to be available to the public like all records are supposed to be at the white house. that's -- it's something nobody else that done. i think when you worry about giving power to somebody who acts in their own best interest above even rules and laws, you

know she should do something to address that. >> don't hold your breath. [ laughter ] >> that's something we may follow up on in '17, may, may not. thanks for being here. >> take care. >> when we come baca lot of ugly actions and statements coming out of ferguson this week coming out of the coverage this week. feels like some of the media are trying to oversimplify the problem. how can we do a better job? we're going to try to answer that right after this. lly bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.

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hate to say this it's true anything but complex. oftentimes a narrative framed as a war on cops. almost red news, blue news of let's start with fox and friends speculating with motivations, spokesman from the st. louis police officer's association. >> outside a police station. at about something that happened that you should be happy about. the sixth person has been forced to resign. justice department ruled in a way in which i imagined was right up your alley. what else do you want? >> they want dead cops. that was their goal all along and that was their goal last night. >> you see the banner there, good guys gunned down. that would be red news. on the other side the narrative not always but obvious framed as a war on black men. this is msnbc morning joe getting push back from mika brzezinski. >> why you would put protesters in a group of one when there's

people wanting change and protesting peacefully night after night after night. are you sure that was the way to say it? >> it ceases to be a peaceful protest as soon as somebody involves in violence. >> i think what you did was lump them together in a way that was a little ham fisted. >> we see on cnn as well. i guess i'm wondering, can this story be reduced down to two sides? i think the answer is no. we have to ask how can we in the media better cover the story. it's like 17 sided not just two sides. joining me mark lamont hail kmbt. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> we talked about stories like climate change having two sides. this is different. this has many many many sides. there are many angles on topics as complex as race arrests.

when you're on cable news as you so often are, do you feel like cable news and media fails to relay the complexity of this story? >> no we don't. it's so funny. whenever i'm defending a particular perspective, i'm immediately positioned as being opponent of another perspective. i say, look these protesters have a right to be out in ferguson right now. people say, yes, what about dead cops which is like supporting protesters is supporting shooting cops. it's not either-or. i don't want people to shoot cops and i want people to protest. for example, even in this segment we're framing it as some people talking black youth, others war on police. both people have it wrong. the truth here is there is a war on black youth. we may debate the complexity and depth, may have debates what it means, there's evidence black men are getting shot. that's something we need to

investigate. >> but would you say there's also an assault on police in this country? >> there have been assaults on police in this country but there is certainly a difference of -- in terms of the type of assault that happens on black youth versus the type of assault that happens with police. police have a very tough job they sign up for. i never want to see a police officer shot. i think it's an awful thing to happen. it is a job they sign up for. it happens far less frequently than it does for black men in america. it's a different conversation. again, i'm not saying it's not an important conversation they are not opposite sides of the same coin. that's the problem here. when we talk about race in this country, we continue to treat black and white as opposite sides of the same coin. black people have anger, white people have anger, classic obama response to race. the problem is white supremacy lingers, structural racism lingers. as a result they are not the same thing. >> let me put on the screen a tweet from fox and friends got a lot of tank outrage, new ferguson violence after attorney eric holder vowed to dismantle

the pd is this what he meant and referring to shooting of two officers. thankfully the two officers did not die, were injured but did not die. when you saw the tweet and the attention around it what did you think about it? >> i thought it was grossly irresponsible. this the second time this happened. when those officers tragically killed in new york back in december we saw this same thing. this narrative protesters have blood on his hands. like al sharpton has blood on his hands of he's like the boogie man for conservatives, they have to say his things. all this stuff, we can't have a conversation about protesters without linking to something that happens. we never did that with tea party. as a consequence of a tea party rally we wouldn't blame all tea party. if someone did we would say that's groosly irresponsible. i think we're painting an ugly landscape. when something happens we're trying to say people have blood on their hands. that's anti-american, democrat first amendment. >> requires critical thinking

skills structural injustices in ferguson and according to reports, hands weren't raised. it requires some critical thinking skills in these stories. >> that's exactly right. but the problem is we have entered the pro wrestling mode of okay i've said fox news is to news what pro wrestling is to sports. it's kind of like news. the problem is we're all seduced into that good guy, bad guy need hulk hogan to defeat we need two sides and somebody has to win. it doesn't have to work that way. we don't need good guy, bad guy. >> i'm thinking there's a lot of good cops good guys good protesters activists, a lot of good on both sides. thank you for being here and trying to explore it with us. >> absolutely. my pleasure. >> we spent a fair bit of time today talking about e-mails. it might be one of the themes of the show. imagine going without e-mail for a day. one reporter did that. she's going to tell us what it

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welcome back. a viewer named kelly on twitter just said to me she gave up e-mail a year-and-a-half ago and it was the best thing she ever did. i cannot imagine that. but if the controversy over hillary clinton's use of her private e-mail as secretary of state continued to escalate this time last sunday actually secretary lindsey graham appeared on nbc's "meet the press" and made this admission about e-mail to chuck todd. check it out. >> you have a private e-mail address? >> i don't e-mail. no. you can every e-mail i've never sent. i've never sent one. i don't know what that makes me. >> i said secretary lindsey graham. i meant senator, of course. that's right, he's never sent a single e-mail. senator graham is not the only one. john mccain for example. chuck schumer, orrin hatch, even bill clinton says he prefers to pick up the telephone over using e-mail. now that is a concept those of

us glued to our smartphones find it impossible to imagine. but jennifer bendery, a white house correspondent for "the huffington post" issued herself this challenge. "i am giving up e-mail for one day channeled lindsey graham." she joins me now from washington to tell me what she learned. jennifer thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you're back on e-mail now. what was the experience like to go without it for one day but still try to work? >> so i thought this was going to be a fun little experiment to try to channel lindsey graham for a day. no e-mail no social media. just for a day at work. and it was not fun at all. i was in a terrible mood all day long. my co-workers were probably avoiding me. it was because i just couldn't get anything done. like the simplest tasks. like i wanted to work on a story where i would normally just e-mail a few of my sources. and instead i spent -- i don't know how long on the internet looking for their phone numbers so i could call them instead.

and when i found their numbers and i called them i went straight to voicemail and their voicemail messages send to send them an e-mail. so i felt like time became a flat circle and nothing was happening. >> some politicians have pointed out they do use e-mail. barbara mikulski -- of course i e-mail. i'm modern i'm contrary i'm hot, i'm hip. i guess this is now an interesting point of differentiation between our congressmen and women. >> i mean i understand that a day without e-mail is -- for a reporter is not the same as a senator. a u.s. senator has a whole staff. they have people checking eflt mail checking all their social media accounts. but even -- i had a co-worker agree to be my assistant for the day and check my e-mail. i still just couldn't get anything done. at one point i was like -- can you print out one of my e-mails so i can read a report and the printer was broken. then i couldn't read the e-mail for a while. and i could just feel my blood pressure going through the roof. it was not fun at all.

you know i should say, some people were like it sounds like such a relaxing day, just disconnect and be free. but this wasn't an exercise in disconnecting. this was an exercise in not using e-mail while you're trying to get your job done. i basically was waiting until midnight so i could have a cocktail and get back to work. >> i am looking forward to reading your column about this online. jennifer thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> oh boy. well up next -- actually a big name leaving nbc news. you've got to hear who and, more importantly, why. that's up next.

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well this headline may not have surprised you on thursday. it says "dr. nancy schneiderman exiting nbc news. i'm sure you remember what happened last fall when dr. nancy was in liberia, courageously covering the outbreak of ebola there. that's when one of her crew members came down with the

disease. dr. nancy and all of her colleagues who weren't sick came home and pledged to stay home quarantined voluntarily for 21 days. that was the norm at the time when ebola fears were off the clarts. charts. a few days later though when she got home she was seen outside her home in new jersey. her credibility as nbc's chief medical editor was eviscerated. she returned to work in december but things were never quite the same. now she says she's returning to academia taking up a job at a medical school. there is no doubt that dr. nancy screwed up. she said one thing on tv that she'd quarantine herself, then did another thing. yet consider how much has changed since fear of ebola struck last fall. this headline is barely getting any attention this weekend. "ten americans being flown home from sierra leone for ebola concerns." the panic is over. today an nbc news crew member who had ebola is weighing in. he is the guy who was sick but he's fully recovered. he tweeted, "worth pointing out

that dr. nancy snyderman never had ebola and never put anyone at risk. just a little reminder that she was right." she did screw up by seeming hypocritical but maybe we should ask if we all screwed up too. that's all for this televised edition of "reliable sources." stay tuned. "state of the union" begins right now. nuclear war of words. the senate majority leader defends a republican letter to iran and who's guarding the president? more scandal with the agency in charge of protecting him. this is "state of the union." senate majority leader on a letter he signed to iran's leaders. what's going on with the president's protectors? blowback on hillary clinton's e-mail scandal. and jeb bush's debut in the granite state. good morning from washington. i'm dana bash. the u.s. is preparing to begin a new round of negotiations with iran over its nuclear program, but those talks