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joining us. we start with breaking news out of tunisia where a trip to view some of the world's great archaeological treasures turned to tragedy. tourists in the capital tunis caught in a militant attack near the bardo museum. 17 tourists were killed others were taken hostages. now those hostages are freed. rescued in an anti-militant operation. our atika shubert is digging into this story and is joining us from london. atika, bring us up to speed on what happened. >> reporter: well the prime minister has said that 19 people have been killed in this attack. but that number is likely to rise. a number of people were evacuated, wounded to nearby hospitals. some of them critically. so we're keeping a watch on that. but what we understand happened was that around mid-morning, at least two gunmen stormed the bardo museum which is connected to the country's parliament. they then opened fire on tourists as they were
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disembarking from a bus. and as you can imagine, it sent everybody in the area into a panic. you can see those pictures there of people inside the museum that were trapped there, trying to escape. security there was also trying to usher tourists out of the area. the gunmen also then went into the museum and took a number of people hostage. the stand-off went on for about two hours. ultimately though however, security officials ended up killing two gunmen and say the operation is over in the area. but up to three attackers may still be at large. so there is a manhunt ongoing in the city of tunis. >> these were terrorists militant islamists as they're being described by the tunisian government. do we know if they were directly affiliated with isis or al qaeda or some other terror group? >> reporter: no group has claimed responsibility. all we have is that description from the spokesman of the interior ministry saying they're
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islamists. and there are a number of groups this could be. ansar al sharia al qaeda in the maghreb is there. tunisia has the most number of jihadi fighters in syria and iraq more than 3,000 by the government's estimates. and over the last few years, hundreds have been returning home. so turkey -- turkish security officials have been warning for some time of the possibility of an attack like this but clearly weren't able to stop it this time. >> baa compare it to its neighbor libya, tunisia has been very very positive in terms of the fallout from what used to be called the arab spring relatively peaceful a lot of tourists still go there, as we see today, atika. so this is highly unusual for an attack like this to occur in tunisia. >> reporter: absolutely. in fact tunisia was the
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birthplace of the arab spring. and it was considered the success story because it had successful peaceful elections. but even as the lid was lifted off the political landscape in tunisia, it also meant this explosion of very extremist political islamist thought. and we have seen a number of groups like this operating in the area. and, again, the influence of isis cannot be underestimated. so it's a particularly shocking thing for tunisians because when they've seen attacks like this it's always happened perhaps on the borders of libya or algeria, but never specifically targeting a tourist attraction like this. >> atika, stand by. i want to go inside tunis right now. a journalist is joining us. tell us what you're seeing right now. i assume there's a significant military presence. any tourists around? >> reporter: the tourists have all gone. they never actually came outside
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here on the street. we saw them leaving in buses and they all looked very relieved. so yes, it's a lot of locals here. this is such an unusual event in tunisia that so many people have come hundreds of people have been here all afternoon, the past five hours during the attack. >> and do authorities there still believe that some of these militants, terrorists might still be at large? >> reporter: we haven't had any updates on that but the latest news i had was, yes, they still are at large. so imagine the authorities will be doing everything they can to track them down. as we know two of the gunmen were killed on the scene. >> why have so many tunisians, young tunisian men mostly been recruited successful to join up with isis go into turkey and then cross the border into syria and join forces with isis? why are so many tunisian men
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attracted to isis? >> reporter: well this started as a trend in 2011 actually and it was -- in the beginning, it started with i guess, the idea of revolution. tunisia had the revolution here and then some young men maybe wanted to go to syria to share the revolution in the beginning when the protests were so brutal. and then we saw isis emerge only really last year. and so a lot of the tunisian fighters -- we don't know how many joined isis but we do know at least 5,000 tunisians have left over the last few years. not all of them joined isis. many of them were with the free syrian army initially. many of them have been killed. but certainly for sure there's hundreds at least of tunisians in isis. and whether they're coming back is a big question everybody's
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been asking for the last few years. that would be a major cause of instability. >> so many of those hopes from the arab spring which originated in tunis have dissipated. tell us about the bardo museum which was attacked today right next door to the parliament there in tunis. i understand it's a major attraction for europeans and other tourists. >> reporter: yes, the bardo museum is the biggest museum in tunisia. and tunis because it has a roman history, greek history, tunisian history, it has beautiful artifacts, mosaics, roman statues. and they're all gathered in this museum. so when people come to tunis, this is the museum they come to. and the tunisian parliament is actually part of the same complex. and it's a really beautiful palace as well. and fortunately for the politicians, the security on the
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parliament is very tight. that's been the case since there was an assassination on parliament in mid 2013. it's very hard to anyone to get through. there's a strong military presence even outside the parliament. but that's not the case for the museum because you have tourists coming in and out. and unfortunately that's what we've seen happen today. >> so it looks to me as if this attack these gunmen simply went to that museum with the intention of killing westerners as many of them as possible for whatever sick reason they might have. is that your understanding as well? >> reporter: yes. the understanding here with the tunisian crowd speaking to a lot of them over the past few hours, everyone is really upset and the people i was speaking to feel like it's an attack on tunisia because actually the economy depends on tourism. tourism is the biggest industry
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here. and tourism has suffered since 2010 2011 with the uprising and everything. and so late last year we had the presidential elections, the parliamentary elections. and people were really hoping 2015 would bring some kind of stability. the economy might be able to get back on track. and now this is just right the beginning of the tourism season. so whoever planned it was obviously knew what they were doing and there's a lot of symbolism in that and clearly planning to derail tunisia's tourist season. >> it's a real pity, real sad. i remember visiting tunisia a few years ago. i covered a visit there by the then secretary of state hillary clinton. it was peaceful right in the aftermath of the arab spring. there were such high hopes walking around was easy. the security situation was obviously very, very good. but unfortunately these attacks could undermine all of that. yasmine ryan, thank you so much for joining us. be careful over there.
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maintain a high level of vigilance and take appropriate steps to enhance your personal security. another u.s. embassy shutting down at least for a day because of security concerns. the other day, the u.s. embassy in riyadh saudi arabia was shut down for consular services for a couple of days. several u.s. embassies have completely shut down including in sanaa, yemen, in recent weeks. certainly in tripoli, libya, the embassy has been shut down. damascus, syria, as we all know. worrisome situation of what's going on. right now, i want to get back to our top story, at least 17 tourists mostly europeans, killed in an attack in the tunisian capital of tunis. joining us to talk about links to terror groups our cnn terrorism analyst, paul cruickshank and yousef sharif tunisian analyst. no claim of possibility not yet anyway. how likely is isis linked to this terror attack at that bardo
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museum in tunis? >> this could be isis clearly. more than 3,000 tunisians have gone to syria and iraq. many of them joining up with isis. there are more than 500 that have returned. also earlier this week a group in tunisia said that a pledge of allegiance to isis was imminent. so it's certainly possible this attack could be linked to that. the timing here could be linked for maximum impact. but as you say, there's been no claim of responsibility yet. there's also a powerful group called ansar al sharia in tunisia, they have up to 40,000 followers in the country. a few years ago, they were responsible for trying to storm the u.s. embassy in tunis. so there are various jihadist groups that could be responsible. but i think the scale of sophistication in this attack
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the apparent preplanning all points towards a major group like isis. >> 3,000 tunisians left tunisia to go join isis in syria, supposedly more than any other country. what's your analysis of what happened today in tunis? >> it's correct to say that tunisia has the biggest number of jihadists. but you look at morocco and jordan and something like 2,000 fighters -- it's not like tunisia is the one that emerges above all of them. what happened today is clearly something that was planned for a while now. we received a lot of threats, mainly from isis-related groups that were threatening tunisia first of all as kind of a secular regime as a civilian state, not a bureaucratic state. and tunisia as a democracy as well. tunisia was clearly threatened from the beginning by these
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groups that totally refused democracy, totally refused the fact that in a country, people can debate about all kinds of topics, politics, religion or else. i think what happened today is the achievement of these threats. and maybe there would be other attacks or maybe this is something like the "charlie hebdo" attack in paris that was limited to two days of attacks and that's it. i think security forces now will be more aware and more ready because the place where the attack happened today was not very well protected. you could get in without going through any scanner, without going through any serious security check. this is what happens. i think this is a wake-up call for the tunisian security forces and for the tunisians in general to be more aware that they're in a country surrounded by libya which is a country facing civil war. and in a dangerous moment where attackers can attack anywhere
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anytime either in europe in other arab countries or in tunisia. and this one happened today sadly. >> very sadly indeed what worries me is that the chaos next door in libya with isis now beginning to take hold at least of some parts of libya, we hope it doesn't spill over into tunisia which has been so so radically different over these past few years. we'll get back to you both. there's more breaking news to share with our viewers. threats to the life of america's most high-profile ambassador. police in japan are now looking into threats against caroline kennedy as the nation hosts another american who could be a major target. and right now, the race among potential candidates for the 2016 democratic presidential nomination here in the united states isn't even close. but will it stay that way? we have brand-new cnn poll numbers. much more coming up.
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there's more breaking news we're following. tokyo police are now investigating death threats against the united states ambassador to japan, caroline kennedy. japanese media reporting the threats were phoned in in english to the u.s. embassy in tokyo last month. we're awaiting a state department news briefing potentially they could be providing more information. we'll have live coverage. you're looking at live pictures from the state department here in washington right now. all this comes just two weeks after the u.s. ambassador to south korea was injured in a knife attack raising serious questions about the type of security american ambassadors around the world are afforded.
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let's discuss what's going on. cnn correspondent david molko is joining us from hong kong on the latest. what do we know about precisely the nature of this threat? what's going on? >> reporter: an extraordinarily sensitive time in the region given everything that's happened here over the past few weeks. you mentioned that attack on the u.s. ambassador in south korea. the threats were phoned in last month in february to the u.s. embassy, not only against caroline kennedy, the u.s. ambassador but they were also directed against another u.s. interest the consul general in okinawa, that southern japanese island with a heavy u.s. military presence. the threats, this is coming from japanese press. some saying they were from a male who phoned them in, he spoke english. the japanese police in tokyo, also the u.s. embassy not responding to requests for comment. but we had a statement come in
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from the state department. the quote, we take any threats to u.s. diplomats seriously, we take every step possible to protect our personnel. we are working with the japanese government to ensure the necessary measures are in place. wolf this coming at a very sensitive time not only of course with caroline kennedy, the u.s. ambassador being as high profile as she is but with other high-profile officials, former president bill clinton and the first lady in japan. >> the first lady michelle obama, she's in japan now for three days. i assume security -- it's always very intense for her. i assume in the aftermath of these threats, it has even been increased. are you hearing that, david? >> reporter: she has a jam-packed schedule in tokyo and beyond. she's meeting with the emperor and the empress. also very public places she's going to kyoto, the japanese imperial capital later in the week visiting one of the most famous buddhist temples there, outdoors on the side of a mountain.
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keep in mind these threats did come in in february. so if they have been assessed to be credible it's fairly certain that the plans for her trip, they have taken these threats into account. >> which would be wise. you always want to err on the side of caution on these kinds of matters. david, thanks very much. let's get more analysis of what's going on from someone who knows firsthand about the security u.s. ambassadors receive. tom schieffer served as the u.s. ambassador to japan from 2005 to 2009 and earlier served as the u.s. ambassador to australia. ambassador, is security surrounding american diplomats, special ambassadors, tight enough right now? because we know the threats seem to be increasing all the time. >> well we live in a dangerous world, as you've been reporting this afternoon. and unfortunately a u.s. ambassador that serves anywhere in the world is a target. there were death threats against me in australia and in japan as well.
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there was an off-duty policeman from out of tokyo city that threw a molotov cocktail into the compound one day. so i'm afraid that this is not unusual. but one thing that is important to remember is that the japanese government in particular will take this very seriously. they provide the bulk of the security for an american ambassador. they are aware obviously of the past things that have happened. president kennedy's ambassador to japan was actually stabbed and almost fatally stabbed while he was serving in japan. so these are not unfortunately things that are unusual. but i am confident that the japanese will do everything they can to protect ambassador kennedy. she's a good ambassador. she works hard at the job. she's out in japan.
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and i of course am concerned for her security. but i'm confident that the japanese will do everything they can to protect her. >> i'm sure they will. but it does follow two weeks ago, ambassador mark lippert, the united states ambassador in south korea and seoul, he was at an event, he had one bodyguard with him at the time. and you saw some individual come up with a knife, slash his face, his cheek, slash his wrist. he spent a few days in the hospital. fortunately he's okay right now. but it was pretty terrifying. what worried me at the time and i wonder if it worried you, that there could potentially will copycats out there? how much of a concern is that? >> that's a concern. but i'm always concerned about security at a embassy because we are targets. but the threats from people come in three different kinds of
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people the mentally deranged the ideologues and the terrorists. terrorists are everywhere in the world. and none of us is safe from the threat. we have to do everything we can to protect it. but it's a pretty dangerous part of the world. americans sometimes don't often comprehend that. but you have a situation with north koreans who have tried to blow up the south korean cabinet in the past. you have just kind of garden variety extremists. and a lot is going on in that part of the world. it's very important part of the world as far as our security profile. we have a lot of assets there. there are 50,000 american troops that are stationed in japan, more than anywhere else in the world. so it's a top-flight target for people who want to do harm. but i also think we have to be careful -- >> a small number ambassador but there are some japanese who
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hate the fact that the u.s. still has a military presence in okinawa and elsewhere. they're very adamant about that. hopefully they won't take any physical or any threatening action. but as you well know firsthand, they hate the fact the u.s. is still there. >> well there are over half of the troops stationed in japan are in okinawa. so there's a tension that always exists there between the people in okinawa and the american presence. but we've managed that over the years. but it is a potentially volatile situation. but we also ought to be careful here not to panic over the revelation of these threats. they really are not unusual. and they are followed up on -- every one of them is followed up on. and with a thorough investigation. but i can guarantee you that the japanese are doing everything that they can this morning and this evening to be sure that ambassador kennedy is safe as are they doing it for the consul
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general down in okinawa. >> and the first lady of the united states is there as well. ambassador tom schieffer, the former u.s. ambassador to japan, thanks very much for joining us. i want to go to the state department. the briefing has begun. let's listen in to jen psaki. >> i will note the numbers were based on the prime minister's numbers. we extend our heartfelt sympathies to the victims' families and loved ones. we commend tunisian authorities' rapid response to the violence and their efforts to resolve the hostage situation and restore calm. the united states stands with the tunisian people at this difficult time and continues to support the tunisian government's efforts to advance a secure prosperous and democratic tunisia. >> before getting into broader questions about what this might mean for u.s./tunisia relations are there any implications security-wise for them to see or american government personnel in tunisia as a result of this attack? >> well you may have seen that we also put out an emergency message from our embassy to
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inform them -- to alert u.s. citizens to an ongoing security situation around the bardo museum in downtown tunis. the embassy remains open and is located ten miles from the museum. all employees have been accounted for, informed of the situation and urged to avoid the museum and surrounding vicinity. >> to the best of your knowledge, none of the victims of this attack in the museum or connected to the museum attack were american citizens? >> correct. we're not aware of any u.s. citizens being among those killed or injured in today's attack. the prime minister said during a press conference earlier today that german italian, spanish and polish tourists were among those killed. >> more broadly, tunisia has been considered for some time a success story, one of the few to arise from the arab spring. it was the birthplace of the whole -- of the arab spring. and i'm just wondering if this attack gives you pause in
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holding up tunisia as a success story. >> well this horrific attack happened just this morning. there haven't been any claims of responsibility at this point. obviously while we mourn those who were lost i don't think we're at the point of drawing conclusions about what it means. certainly we also would commend, as i did -- or the secretary did in his statement, the rapid response of the authorities in this case as well. certainly we'll be continuing to engage with authorities there and our counterparts there to discuss what this means moving forward. >> it has been pointed out that tunisia is the source of quite a few recruits to isis or isil. and i'm just wondering if you don't suspect or see any link between that fact and this attack. >> well we just don't want to draw any conclusions at this point.
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tunisian authorities and the government have the lead. certainly we'll be in touch with them and hear more about what their findings are. >> is this being treated as an isolated incident or as part of a pattern that is likely to grow? >> again, this just happened this morning. there have been no claims of possibility. so we're not going to draw any conclusions at this point in time. >> but up to this point, tunis, tunisia, was considered a high-risk area for u.s. diplomats, a medium security risk -- how do you do it now? how do you treat it now? >> we put information out publicly we make it available. we haven't changed or recategorized or anything along those lines in response to the attacks. we obviously do provide emergency messages or put up emergency messages whenever incidents like this occur. any more on this before we continue? >> second thing having to do
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with security is this news coming out of tokyo about alleged threats against ambassador kennedy. can you say any more than what you said in your earlier comments written comments? >> i don't have more to convey. i'm happy to repeat or reiterate those. we take any threats to u.s. diplomats seriously. we take every step possible to protect our personnel. we are working with the japanese government to ensure that necessary security measures are in place, which is something we would do and continue to do around the world. we're not going to comment on the specific details of any threats or steps we take to address them. >> can you not at least say, confirm what the japanese reports are that whatever threat this was or whatever it was happened last month and is not something that is recent like within the last day or two and more specifically after the attack on ambassador lippert in seoul? >> i certainly understand your question. i would have to check with our
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team and see what we can confirm from this end. obviously we often defer to host governments. but we also are very careful about what information we provide in order to protect our diplomats. but i can check on that and get back to you. >> given that the first lady arrived today in tokyo and these reports emerge today, although i believe the threats were made previously last month, as matt said has it changed in any way the security posture surrounding the first lady. >>? i would point you to the white house. i think it's unlikely they discussed the first lady's security posture. >> the embassy, though? >> the embassy, there has not been changes to our embassy -- >> has there been any change in the security posture at the embassy post the attack in seoul on ambassador lippert? any sort of review of these low-threat posts? >> well we evaluate day by day, week by week separate from the awful attack against ambassador lippert. we don't discuss that publicly because that would defeat the purpose of doing a security
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review or making any changes as would be necessary. if there are changes that are necessary, we will work with host governments to put them in place. >> can you put this maybe in perspective to us? from what we take from the reports, it was basically a caller who made threats. does this happen a lot at u.s. embassies? is this just one we happen to be hearing about, in other words, where you get these types of threats? is this an unusual threat in any way? >> i'm not going to confirm what the threats are or are not, just as a matter of policy. i certainly understand why you're asking the question. obviously we deal with threats around the world every day. that's something that we are prepared to do and our diplomats serving overseas are prepared to do. but i'm not going to analyze it more further. >> for example, similar phone calls aren't being received in abuja -- >> it's clear there are parts of
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the world that pose a higher threat where diplomats are living and working and certainly they're aware of that when they go take those positions. that's something we talk about frequently here. >> does she have security when she leaves the embassy? >> i don't have more details. i can share about the ambassador's security -- >> one of the criticisms about lippert was that he had one unarmed guard, local guard. so you couldn't characterize -- >> i can check. there's more to discuss about the ambassador's security -- >> it is correct that neither seoul nor tokyo is considered particularly high risk? >> that's correct. >> i understand there was news just happening as we were coming in that the embassy in djibouti has been closed or shuttered -- i'm not sure -- >> i don't have anything on that at this moment. i'm sure we can get you something -- >> it's tomorrow. they say they're going to close to the public to review their security posture. so the question that i think
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that we would like answered is was there a specific threat to the embassy or is this just a -- embassies do this relatively often, just routinely close down. >> yes. >> but they also sometimes do this when there is a threat. >> understood. i will check. >> following up on that we also heard the last few days the embassy in saudi arabia has been closed. any change in that? >> they put out a new security message two days ago on the 16th. making clear that it will continue to be closed. they will put out a new one when they reopen. i don't have any prediction for you in terms of when that will be. >> let's go to the israeli election. >> i bet that's what you want to ask about, sayyid. >> the secretary's phone call to prime minister netanyahu -- >> we're going to continue to monitor jen psaki and her state department briefing. we have much more on the israeli
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elections coming up. i want to go back to the former u.s. ambassador to japan, tom schieffer, get your reaction mr. ambassador from what we just heard from the state department spokeswoman about the threats that are out there right now to u.s. ambassadors around the world, this latest phone threat to the u.s. ambassador in tokyo, caroline kennedy. what's your reaction to what you just heard? >> i think the spokesman described it just as it is. there is a lot of security around virtually every american ambassador particularly in open societies. curiously enough in totalitarian regimes you have less protection than you do in open societies. but there is protection in japan, it is good, it is sophisticated. and it is heavy. so this is not something that is new to the japanese. but it is something that will concern them greatly and that they will follow up on and they will work with our intelligence
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agencies in addressing the threat as to whether it's credible or not. but i can guarantee you that they will not relax what they are doing and that security is there. in most countries, certainly in japan and in australia where i served the security that i received was the same as what the prime minister of the country had. i had much more security in both places than people like the foreign ministers or the defense ministers. i would also add that the israeli ambassador receives the same kind of security protection that the american ambassador does. it's just what you do. and ambassador kennedy is well aware of that. she has worked well with everybody. and i don't think it's in anybody's interest to give a whole lot of detail about what the security profile is for an american ambassador. but it's heavy. and people are concerned about this because it has happened.
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and i think the american people sometimes don't realize how dangerous it is to sometimes be an american official anywhere in the world. >> good point, i think you're absolutely right. ambassador tom schieffer, was the u.s. ambassador to japan and australia. thanks so much for joining us. appreciate it very much. just ahead, we're following breaking news here in washington on the man accused of flying a drone over the white house. new information coming in. our justice correspondent pamela brown is standing by.
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our justice correspondent pamela brown is here with me. i understand you've got some news learning new information about the individual responsible for that drone flying over the white house and then crashing onto the grounds of the white house? >> that's right. it caused a huge national security scare. we have learned the u.s. attorney's office for d.c. will not pursue charges against the man who flew that drone onto the white house grounds in january. this is according to a government official. the man who flew the drone was actually a government employee with the geospatial intelligence agency and his story checked out. on the night of january 25th he was flying a borrowed drone from a friend and then he watched the drone go about 100 feet up at
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about 3:00 a.m. and 100 feet high over tenth street in d.c. and fly west. the man says after that he lost control of the drone and was unable to recover. he then went to sleep not knowing where the drown ended up. and according to the investigation and to a law enforcement official i've been speaking with he woke up the next morning, saw reports of the drone on the white house lawn and self-reported, as we know. through the investigation, a forensic analysis showed the drone was actually not under the man's control of when it went down. however, important to note here the faa is still conducting a separate review of the incident. but you remember this really shined a spotlight on national security issues and the whole issue of drones and airspace. how do you regulate this? why didn't the secret service catch the drone? what if it presented a bigger security threat than it did? we know according to officials it was harmless. but what if it wasn't? it shined a spotlight on that issue. we know the department of
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justice and the faa are collaborating right now trying to figure out how to better protect our airspace when it comes to drones. but we are learning that this man, the man, the drone operator who crashed the drone into the white house, caused a big national security scare, will not face any charges. >> will he continue to have his job -- geospatial operations here in washington. continue to have security clearance and stay on the job? >> absolutely. he was off duty when this happened. he still has his job, has the same job he had before the incident. he's a scientist at the agency. this incident has not impacted his status at the agency. >> thanks very much pamela brown, breaking news here on cnn. thanks very much. let's get to the israeli elections. the prime minister benjamin netanyahu's likud party, scored a victory in tuesday's vote. now they're looking ahead to form a coalition government. the secretary of state john kerry called today to congratulate the prime minister. the white house says president
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obama will be calling the prime minister in the coming days. joining us now, new york democratic congressman elliott engel. congressman, are you happy netanyahu won? >> well i'm happy that israel's a democracy and that the israeli people decided who their leader is going to be. i'm happy about that. i never take positions in other countries' elections. but i think it shows that in contrast to every other nation in the middle east israelis go to the polls just like we do and vote for their leaders just like we do. >> how concerned are you in the days leading up -- the day before the election the prime minister reversed his position since 2009 he supported what's called a two-state solution a new state of palestine emerging longside israel. then on the day before the election, he said on his watch, no two-state solution which has caused enormous concern not only in the u.s. but around the world. are you concerned about that?
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>> i think that in the rhetoric and in the heat of campaigns, there are lots of things that are said and i think when they get shaken out, i think we'll find pretty much to not much has changed. there are many people who support a two-state solution. i personally do. and i think that hopefully we can have negotiations between israelis and palestinians in the not-too-distant future, seems remote now. but i think the goal would be to have israelis and palestinians living side by side in paegseace. i'm not worried about what may or may not have been said in campaign rhetoric. there are lots of issues to be tackled. israel and the united states have always been close allies. and i think we will continue to be close allies. >> what you're saying is netanyahu really didn't mean it when he said it 24 hours before the election it was only campaign rhetoric and now that presumably if in fact he does succeed in the coming weeks to form this new coalition
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government he's going to go back to his earlier position? >> well, i don't know what was in his head. i can't really speak of it. i assume he says what he believes. but i think that there are always nuanced positions. and i suppose as the days go on that position might well be nuanced. but its's impossible for me to get into his head. i just think that israel is a democracy and i'm happy that the people of israel expressed their desire for their leader and who they want to lead them into the coming years. and i think we in the united states have to respect that. there are not many democracies in the world. and israel's one of them. that's why the u.s. and israel have always had a strong relationship relationship two democracies, shared values. that's why we back israel. >> what do you make of all the concern in israel certainly by his critics, there's concern expressed here in washington as well that some of his statements seemingly belittling israeli
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arab citizens of israel warning the arabs are voting in big numbers, coming out in big numbers. he's really getting criticized for that for going against 20% of the israeli population israeli arab were you upset when you heard that kind of commentary? >> well i think that you know it's hard again, to get into somebody's head and see why they said it. i think he assumes that the arab parties, which have unified for the election, were running on one slate and that the arabs of israel were not going to vote for him. so i assume he was saying to his supporters that the others who are not going to be voting, you better come out to vote to counterbalance that. perhaps it wasn't the right choice of words. perhaps it wasn't but i think it was, again, campaign rhetoric and i wouldn't read too much into it. >> eliot angel is the ranking democratic on the house foreign relations committee.
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thank you. >> it's a pleasure. >> new polls show hillary clinton is way ahead among her fellow democrats when it comes to the race for the white house, but is the e-mail scandal taking a bit of a toll on her popularity among democrats? we're taking a closer look at numbers. what that could mean for the gop race. gloria borger is standing by.
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a new cnn orc poll shows hillary clinton still a dominant force as the country heads towards the 2016 presidential election season with no potential candidate on either side coming within ten points of her. in a poll of little more than 1,000 adult americans, mrs. clinton has a nearly 50-point advantage, 50-point advantage, over her potential democratic challenges from others the closest being the vice president joe biden. he comes in with just 15% support. right now she also holds a sizable lead over potential republican challengers more than a year and a half before the 2016 elections. her closest potential republican challenger is senator rand paul and at this point she holds an 11-point advantage over him. with me to discuss the poll's finding is our chief political analyst gloria borger. gloria still obviously very early, but these poll numbers pretty good numbers for the former secretary of state. >> you know if hillary clinton were the democratic incumbent she would love to have these numbers. i mean these numbers are in the
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stratosphere. it shows you why no democrats have really stepped forward in a huge way to challenge her, including the sitting vice president of the united states who only polls 15% in this poll and so you know the waters have parted, and the democrats are waiting for hillary clinton to officially declare so they can get 100% behind her, because when you also look at the numbers up against the republicans, nobody is within ten points of her at this point, so, again, as you point out, it's early. she's been the inevitable candidate, inevitable nominee before early, but if i were in the hillary camp right now i'd take a look at this and say wow great. >> she's had some controversy in recent weeks but she still has 53% favorable. that's down from november. >> yes. >> unfavorable, about 44%. 53% still pretty good. >> again, most incumbents were
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take that number and run with it. i know president obama would probably take that number. >> sort of in the mid to high 40s right now. >> and love to have it. you and i talked about this when you look back at her when she was secretary of state, her approval rating was at 69%, wolf so what this means is that she's gone down from that because she is in the realm of the political again. when she was secretary of state, people were like she was above politics. now her unfavorables are at 44%. that's not zero wolf and her poll numbers have taken a dip since the e-mail controversy. it remains to be seen how hillary clinton wears as a presidential candidate. we've seen her as a candidate before, wolf. she wasn't the best. she obviously got beaten by barack obama. it remains to be seen how she wears on the campaign trail. >> on the democratic side in the race for the nomination at least now it doesn't look like much of a fight. on republican side on the other hand, a clear fight, about 10 11 months away from the first
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caucuses and primaries. right now take a look at our poll. jeb bush 16%, scott walker the governor of wisconsin, 13%. senator rand paul 12%, mike huckabee 10 and then down to dr. carson chris christie and rubio, 9% and 7%. still pretty tight right now and still 10 11 months to go before the actual balloting takes place. >> exactly. and what polls this early are about is really name recognition. jeb bush obviously the bush name very well known. the person that i would think who would look at these polls and have a little bit of worry right now is chris christie. chris christie has had some problems. he's got to try and get donors together. he's in single digits in the polls, and if you look at the internals of our poll wolf you'll see that he's under water on his favorable and unfavorable ratings. he's got a 25% favorable rating and a 44% unfavorable rating and he's only at 7% in the
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polls. this was somebody who everybody assumed would be in the top tier of republican candidates and if you look at chris christie right now he is not. >> yeah. a lot of these candidates most americans haven't even heard of them. take a look. we asked are you unsure about, heard about, dr. carson 64% don't know much about them. >> why would they? >> scott walker doing well. 58%, what's going on in these numbers. jeb bush only 23% say they haven't heard or don't know much about him. >> they don't know much about him. what's going on right now is the washington primary. each of these folks, i guarantee you, will get their 15 minutes of fame wolf until people start focusing on the campaign. >> so there's still plenty of time. >> oh, yeah. >> for all of these men and maybe there's a woman on that republican side. carly fiorina on "new day" this morning. gloria borger that's it from me. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room."
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to our international center cnn "newscenter" and for our american viewers, newsroom" with brook baldwin starts right now. >> i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. right now we've got to tell you about this manhunt under way for three terrorists accused in a mass killing. these people here managed to escape this rampage, but at least 19 others most of them tourists did not. the siege unfolded at this museum of tunis, the capital of tunisia. obviously, you're looking at pictures for instance side the building here as people were running quite literally for their lives. they were visiting the bardo museum connected to tunisia's
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