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i'm michael smerconish. secretary of state john kerry and iran's president both expressed optimism that an agreement can be reached on iran's nuclear program. kerry told reporters in switzerland this morning there is substantial progress in the struggle to reach agreement. >> over the past few days i had lengthy negotiations with iranian team about the steps that iran must take to demonstrate that its nuclear program now and ongoing into the future is exclusively for peaceful purposes. over the past months the p5+1 have made substantial progress towards that fundamental goal. though important gaps remain. >> iran's president told reporters today that a deal with the u.s. is within reach and

achievable. but what will bebe do? it was the iranian issue that caused prime minister netanyahu address our congress. this deal is at the heart of the broken relationship between the u.s. and israel and the question that will be raised in the event of an agreement is whether prime minister netanyahu might try to scuttle it by working with the republican controlled congress. recover let's get to israel now. a journalist and foreign policy analyst, secretary kerry speaks of the p5+1. there is an important voice not in that group, it's prime minister netanyahu. how might he respond? >> reporter: he will try to undermine it by speaking again against it and trying to rally the republican party. we know that john boehner will be in israel soon they will be absolutely talking about this they will be pressuring aipac and many organizations so they

can pressure but it's too late. the iranian deal is a done deal that's a huge victory for iran huge victory for the united states and absolutely will further push the relationship between obama administration and bebe netanyahu far away from each other. >> rula i'm reminded of the address that prime minister netanyahu delivered and toward the end he said words to the effect of the days of israeli passivity are over. israel will stand alone if necessary. i interpreted that as a thinly veiled threat to launch a first strike against a nuclear capability. i might be reading too much into it. how did you interpret that part of his speech? >> reporter: he was campaigning. he was absolutely campaigning. remember when he came back to israel and in israel he is the prime minister still the prime minister. he have to deal with his security apparatus, meaning that

the army have to agree on this and the secret services the former musad, together with former head of the internal secret service in israel both sides said if netanyahu would have went along and attacked iran they would have resigned themselves. they can break the relationship with administration but he can't break his own relationship with his security apparatus, and he will have to have the army behind him. i don't think a military option is on the table. however, an overt operations would carry ochblt remember all of these dead scientists in iran some nuclear facility were blown up i think israel's behind that and will continue doing so. >> you know that here in the united states there's great debate over the statements that he made on the eve of the election seemingly renouncing a

two-state solution. in israel were those words dealt with by surprise or confirmation of previously held beliefs? >> reporter: i think in israel israelis and palestinians both sides are absolutely not delusional about a situation. the good thing for the americans and for the i want national public opinion, the mosques are up all of the mosques dropped off and it's clear. it's not what bebe is saying it's what he has been doing for the last i would say 20 years in politics. and what he has been doing is the opposite which is two state solution. now he says he doesn't want it and he created facts on the ground that are irreversible. i'm talking 200 settlements and 350 settlers already living in the west bank. it's de facto. >> i want to share with you and i'll put up on the screen something that tom friedman published that i think

encapsulates. he said now if there are not going to be two states for two peoples in the area between the jordan river and mediterranean then there is going to be only one state, and that one state will either be a jewish democracy that systematically denies the voting rights of one third of its people or will be a democracy and systematically erode the jewish character of israel. that's what you're addressing. >> i don't know when the last time tom friedman has been visiting the settlements but i would invite him to go and see what's happening here because it's already de facto in one state with separate sets so you have the jewish majority around 6 million people who have certain rights and the jewish people who are living in the occupied territories with their own, meaning roads that they can run only by themselves. their internal schools, their protection and it's gated areas, and they live already in

occupied territories, they are building all around jerusalem, all around the west bank it's already one state. however, for the palestinians it's bad for arab israelis because he has been campaigning against them and obviously his victory is an open season against arab israelis in congress and in the streets, for palestinians in the west bank and occupied territories it's hell because they live without rights. so we have an apartheid state on one hand and we have i would say an agnocrisy. >> i want to bring in a scholar at the woodrow wilson center and former adviser to six secretaries of state, on the arab israeli peace process. pick up on the last part of what rula said commenting on the tom friedman piece and the reality of what a one-state might mean. >> i think we're getting ahead of ourselves, michael. the one state is not a solution.

perhaps it's -- it would be historic outcome years and years as a consequence of israel's retention of the territories, no effective palestinian governments there. in fact on the ground make a comprehensive israeli withdrawal as well as security requirements from the west bank impossible. but again, i think we really are getting ahead of ourselves here. if you believe the reports that derive from john kerry's 14-month effort to create the parameters for a two-state solution prime minister of israel despite his public walk away which he is now walking back apparently has made some far reaching concessions on the issue of israeli withdrawal based on the june 67 borders with territorial land swaps. whether you get back to that sort of brokered process, i don't know. but again, we're talking more in

terms of the future here than the present. i'm not going to jump off the cliff right now and surrender to the forces of cynicism despair and hopelessness by assuming in fact everything is lost and there is no chance at some point of a negotiated two-state solution. i think frankly, that would be unwise for everyone. >> aaron, on the front page of today's new york times, relative to the relationship between the united states and israel this administration you say in a way the administration has already won. what did you mean with that comment? >> well on the issue of iran i think there is no question about that. if in fact kerry's comments today reflect reality, though they made these statements before. that in effect you're getting closer to a framework agreement that at some point would produce a slower smaller, more transparent, what were all the risks, slower smaller, more transparent and easily monitored

iranian nuclear program to buy time and decelerate iran's putative nuclear weapons aspirations then the admission i called it a historic breakthrough though there are risks about this agreement. the administration would have pulled off quite an enterprise. in opposition to republican controlled congress over the objections of the israelis by the way not just the israelis the saudis there's a lot of regional concern about our iran sen trach policy. be that as it may the administration would actually have achieved i think, the president's most important objective in this region which would have been to slow and constrain iran's potential to secure a deliverable nuclear weapon. so in that sense i think the administration has won. the real problem michael, for the u.s. israeli relationship and i watched analyzed beggen and carter and bush 41

netanyahu and clinton in their first incarnation. i was part of that. you had even in that dysfunctional -- those dysfunctionals duos you had production. you had significant accomplishment accomplishments. here you have dysfunction without production you have a public feud and the question that remains in the last 20 months michael, are we talking meltdown hurt? or are we talking dial down. and that's the real central question. both the prime minister of israel and this president. >> i know your expertise in the policy realm but i know you to be a very astute political observer. do you believe that the duo of netanyahu and boehner. have the political ability, should they seek to use it to scuttle this deal? >> well i think that will not see during the life of this republican-controlled congress

the lifting of the banking and oil sanctions, which are critically important to iran. do not think a republican controlled congress given their perception of this president is going to do that. but the president by executive authority can in fact suspend some sanctions. now, whether or not bob corker and others can find a way to pass legislation that compels the administration to summit the graept to review and congress by the way, does deserve some sort of role in this enterpritz. i don't want congress running our foreign policy but i work for the state department for 24 years, i don't want the state department running our foreign policy either. it's a struggle between the two and the white house to try to figure out what is the wisest and most prudent policy for the united states. i have a great many concerns about the risks and uncertainties involved in this deal. i think, though that you know yurks not going to make perfect the enemy of the good on this one. the deal is coming congress is not going to be happy about it. they will try to constrain it.

one more point. i'm not running a pr operation for benjamin netanyahu here. but let's be clear. he is pushing on an open door. he's pushing on a congress that is looking for a way to define its own foreign policy republican congress as we approach the presidential elections and you have to keep that in mind. >> aaron david miller thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up we have more great guests he is one of the most outspoken sport commentators on television but this time he's making waves on race and politics. espn's stephen a. smith joins me to explain why he thinks every black person in america should vote republican. plus fraternities under fire after a wave of scandals at campuses across the country. naomi wolf joins me to talk about the future of fraternities. and kareem abdul-jabbar explains why he thinks starbucks stepped into the brew this week.

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welcome back. espn host stephen a. smith is not one to mince words, often sparked controversy with his commentary on hot button issues. listen to this, he said that every black person in america should vote republican for at least one election. stephen a. smith is joining me now. who are you trying to send a message to republicans, democrats, african-americans, all of the above? >> i'd go with all of the above. that sounds about right. specifically the democratic party from the standpoint that i definitely believe that the black vote has been taken for granted. and primarily the black community is at fault in my estimation in that regard simply because on one hand we're giving one party our vote because they successfully gone about the business of convincing our community that the other party, the republican party, is completely against the interests of the black community.

as a result we've been transparent in our support, we voted hook line and sinker look at the republican party, not every one of us but majority of black americans look at the republican party as they enemy, the democratic party as our support base and we are transparent in our support for them. because of it they have a license to take us for granted. the republican party has a license to dismiss us because they believe they will never get our vote anyway and we end finding ourselves devoid of representation whatsoever because nobody is really competing to garner our vote and our support. so i said what i said because i wanted folks in my community to stand up and recognize that if you go to a house or you go buy a car or whatever the case may be you don't see something you want and say i want that tell me what the price is and i'll pay for it. somebody has to flatter you in order to garner your dollars and your support. i think the same should apply to

politicians who represent us. >> let me put this in context of 2016. because i think give at any monolithic nature of the african-american vote a lot of republicans don't even make the ask. rand paul is making the ask. is there anything that he can say that you think can change this equation? >> first of all he can highlight the inconsistencies the opposing party might be throwing in our direction, things that we may not know. that's number one. two, one of the things that you need to do as a republican particularly if you're running for the presidency you have to surround yourself with a bunch of folks that look like us and not just you. that look like hispanics and not just you. take the hispanic community in consideration. right now it says that african-americans are approximately 12.3% of the population. that it's dissipated from 14.8%. okay. now we can debate what the reason for that was. but what is unmistakable is that when you look at the hispanic

community their populous has risen up to over 17% where we have 40 million african-americans in this country, they have 54 million people and what have we been hearing about for years and years. immigration reform you know why we're hearing about that because whoever successfully goes about the business of dealing with this matter immigration reform successfully in a fashion that the hispanic community deems favorably to them, you're going to get their vote. therefore you're going to lock up a voting bloc you'll be in that kind of power. guess what the hispanic community is doing say flatter us. what are you going to do. this is what we need because you're not getting our vote. yeah you might vote for them -- you might go the liberal route but in florida you might not. i'm saying. >> i'm for increasing participation. what bothers me the way you pitch this is it's as if you're saying hey, what are you going to do for us what are you giving to us in terms of bennies

if we -- >> why does that bother you? >> i don't think we want the reward particular groups. i don't like the politics i like what's in the country's best interest not of african-americans versus whites versus hispanics. that makes me uncomfortable. >> let me say to you that i can respect the fact that you are uncomfortable, but what i would -- my retort would be is that i am a black man, from a black community and i watched us suffer religiously. whether it's with unemployment where we're constantly in double digits whether it's the incarceration rate whatever the case may be there are so many things so many problems. i love everybody. i don't hate anybody. i think that the interests of the country is paramount and should usurp other interests. if you're talking about my community i'm going to speak on what's affecting us and how we can alleviate those concerns. i'm not saying i'm not concerned about the country, but i'm

saying i can speak more directly to the experiences myself and others from my community have. that's all i'm not trying to value cannize anything. >> i certainly respect the historical differences between you know us and people who look like us. but you sure wouldn't want me going into a booth making a determination what's in the best interest of the white community. >> no. but i do expect you to go into the ballot booth and make the decision about what's in the best interest of you. and so what i'm saying to you is that when i'm talking to black folks and thinking about what's in the best interest of the black community it's because you are suffering. the country could be prospering but if black folks have nothing to show for it and i'm not saying that's the case but if black folks are suffering and we have been for decades upon decades and tried something, one thing after another, it's the same over and over and it's not reaping results, then what do you expect somebody to do? you are going to address it with

the fervor and directness and candor that it deserves that's what i did here. all i'm trying to say, i'm not trying to encourage anybody to vote republican to vote democrat i'm simply saying let's not be so transparent in our support for one party over another when that does not appear to be working for us. force people to flatter us. white folks do it. jewish folks do it hispanic folks are doing it. why can't black folks do it. that's all i'm saying. >> i want to ask about a related sub. the president spoke and raised the idea maybe we should go the way of countries like australia where voting is mandatory. what's your reaction to that? >> according to the reports i there'd he was speaking relatively tongue in cheek and articulating that this wouldn't be such a bad idea. but in this country that we live in part of free speech is having the freedom not to speak or not to make your voice heard if you so choose to do so as opposed to being forced and

compelled to do so. so the president knows that everybody else knows that and i think we need to follow those lines unless there are laws put in place constitutionally speaking i might add, that obviously deviate from that and show something that supports what position he was taking. >> next time you're here don't hold back, tell us what you really think. >> i'll try my best. i have to take a break. when i come back, headlines from a slew of outrageous behaveiors at fraternities. naomi wolf joins me to talk about the future of greek life.

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american classic national lampoon's animal house. i lived at a fraternity in college for three years which probably explains why i loved that movie all 14 time i've seen it. life imitated art, there have been recent reports of fraternity-related bad behavior leading some to question whether to end what i regard as a classic part of american collegiate life. naomi wolf joins me to talk about this. you can't dispute i wouldn't dispute that there have been a number of high profile incidents of fraternity members, but are they necessarily being driven by their fraternity membership? >> no. i don't think so. the interesting thing about what's going on on college campuses with these examples of bad behavior is they are nothing new. i have been going to campuses for a couple decades. there have been horrible stories of racism sexual assault, ritualized statism but they have been hushed up.

there's more transparency more people are tweeting or leaking to whistle-blowers or blogging or posting or investigating. so it's more scrutiny. i don't think anything has necessarily changed how perverse some of these organizations can be. >> i know you were in a secret society at yale not a sorority. i'm not sure what that is by the way but i'm sure they wouldn't let me in. how do you see the future of greek life? >> well that's a good question. i mean there is still something very serious happening which is again i wouldn't say a problem with the organization of the greek system it's a problem with cover-ups on college campuses michael, and you know about this obviously if you were in a fraternity. when you've got college campuses you've got police that are loyal. they are weirdly campus police which is a bizarre system. when there is a sexual assault

or some crime on campus it -- and the university doesn't want it to get known, doesn't want donors upset, doesn't want wealthy parents to get upset, legacies they cover it up. so a terrible thing that's happening with i should be investigated and should be exposed is bubbles of impunity on college campuses where especially with sexual assault, if women or young men assaulted complain to sexual harassment grievance boards it's supposed to be impartial, but in fact it's often and i expose this in new york magazine in 2005 with yale which covered up for 20 years sexual assaults it's actually a way for the university's lawyers to protect the university from exposure of these criminal investigations so i'd say if a crime takes place on campus whether it's in a fraternity or anywhere have the jurisdiction of the local police and hold these people accountable. >> i would never defend what we all saw take place on that bus

at the university of oklahoma nor that which is coming to light via facebook at penn state university. but when i look at those incidents i wonder if they represent a failure to manage alcohol than exacerbated or life shown on them by social media. i think we need to demystify booze. i'm an advocate for lessening the drinking age zmxt how would you do that with young people >> i think what's taking place is that colleges across the country have all -- all clamped down on drinking underage drinking and i recognize they are trying to respect the law that was imposed about i the feds but what they have done is driven it underground. i lived in a house where beer was plentiful. we were constantly on tap. there was no pregaming, no binge drinking. if you could drink when you wanted to beer you weren't inclined to be a shut-in and get hammered on a fifth of jack. >> there's a lot of truth to

what you're saying. europe has a lower drinking age and less stigmatizing of even 16 17-year-olds going in a pub. and i think there is less binge drinking on college campuses and less crazy assault, crazy sexual abuse that i'm aware of. i do hear this from young women, i heard it recently on campus in upstate new york that what happens with the greek system which isn't so great is for some reason that i don't fully understand men control the liquor and so fraternities have like access to alcohol and sororities don't, and so the young women do definitely complain and you wouldn't think this is at the top of the list but i can see how it leads to terrible situations that in order to have a party if you are under 21 you have to go to the frat house, young men have access to all of the alcohol so young women feel sexually pressured, at a disadvantage that they have to put up. it's not the same as being

coerced or forced into a sexual assault situation, but they do feel they have no equality in sexual negotiation ss >> it's access issue the way you defined it. >> why don't sororities have alcoholism. i don't get it. >> i'm all for giving it to them. >> of course. like if the boys can drink why can't the girls? >> thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. dartmouth college is one of schools making changes to behavior. banning hard chor on campus. one says the school's crackdown may not work. >> joining me is nick the editor of the dartmouth review the school newspaper. he is a member of sigma alpha epsilon. i lived a at fraternity. in the era that is epitomized by animal house we were on tap

24/7. there was no binge drinking and no pregaming and it makes me wonder is there an old school solution to what ales fraternities today? >> i think so. there certainly is no doubt there are problems with greek life on campus in this day and age. it's my belief that i think there is more in the way of solutions within the greek system within the greek system's history as well that can be brought to the fore as a potential way forward for solutions on campus at large. >> what do you think the impact is going to be at dartmouth. hard alcohol wasn't part of what we had going on. it was all about beer and my thinking is that because of liability concerns, because of the crackdown against fraternities they tried to rid the campus of booze and they aren't going to be able to do it. >> i agree. i certainly think that hard alcohol made resurgence at dartmouth but in college campuses across the country more

broadly. i don't think a blanket ban is going to have the desired effects for safety of students and for the campus atmosphere. >> isn't the reason for the spike in the appeal of hard liquor the flakt has been a crackdown and has driven students behind closed doors where they want to get hammered in a hurry they can go out to a party where they could not drink? >> i'm not sure it's as tidy as that. i imagine there is a correlation. what we are seeing is a lot of people bringing hard alcohol having parties behind closed doors for no other reason than hard quol issizier to hide or store. so i imaginite not going to change. it may get worse where you have people in their dorm rooms in sort of closed atmospheres drinking hard alcohol in ways less than safe. >> is the answer to reduce the drinking age to 18?

>> in my opinion i think that would be really positive step. i think 18 may be too low. i think 19 would be ideal. simply because if you have 18-year-olds at college parties chances are the high school parties the freshman at the same party is going to be able to access the alcohol as well. i think 19 would be a better age in terms of the specifics but the political atmosphere behind i think a fight like that would be difficult. >> nick let me ask you as someone who is living a greek existence now on a campus with a very rich tradition of greek life do you worry about the sentiment in the country today that these bad actors i would never ask you to defend them because who could, but do you worry that the blow back from some of these high profile incidents will be the shuttering of fraternities across the country? >> i think longer term we're starting to see a trend in that direction which is my concern. i think the greek system has been valuable to a number of mying friends. when you have incidents like

this penn state, this a few weeks back you can't help but wonder when those high publicity events form a trend and become the defining features that people think about when greek life becomes a buzz word. what people need to understand those are not representative of the totality of the greek experience for all of the bad pub publicity publicity. it's not adequately given voice to. >> for the benefit of those who never lived in a fraternity fraternity brothers what are those to which you refer? what is the experience that you think is critical to your dartmouth undergraduate training you take from living in a house? >> sure. for me personally i think the biggest has been the network of friends that i have through my greek experience. someone who writes for the newspaper, does a lot on campus i'm not the most active. some free time what i'm doing on

campus or off terms for a study abroad programs or internships it's a fantastic home to come home to. to have your friends, have space you can call your own, to have sort of that aspirational quality of people coming together and sharing academic experiences, social experience that's difficult to replace. i think that's the reason it's popular. it serves a need nothing else can. so i think talk about shuttering to talk about closing it down i think is to miss the point and i think is to run the risk of getting rid of something good and throwing the baby out with the bath water. >> nick thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up starbucks brewed major back lash with a plan to talk race in america. nba great kareem abdul-jabbar thinks it's a bad idea. you'll want to hear what he has to say when he joins me, next. heart: i maximize good stuff like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol.

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ritas to write race together on coffee cups to start a conversation about race. in a column kareem was in shock and awe. kareem abdul-jabbar joins me now, by the way he has written a book called "stealing the game." you say you were in awe of his chutzpah and shocked that he thinks it will work. why won't it work? >> well i think that you can't get into a serious in depth conversation in a coffee shop among strangers. it's a good idea certainly to plant the idea that we need to talk about these things but i think you know to get into a meaningful conversation you need more time and more intimate circumstances for some change to come about from it. >> 56% of african-americans believe that there's a lot of discrimination in our country. only 16% of whites say the same thing. >> there's a great example of

black americans have to deal with a lot more discrimination because they are seen as part of the problem. whereas white americans do not get discriminated against in the same way black americans do and until they see it live and in color like with the rodney king case until that happens, white americans were disinclined to believe that cops could be that violent and you know carefree about beating people. it took something like that to change people's minds. >> here's what i was thinking. i share your concern there is a practical reality, the baristas at my starbucks are so busy they wouldn't have an opportunity for a conversation about race. but on my radio program this week we also roll played. it's very hard to start a conversation about race. so i've got a cup of coffee for you. it has your name on it. kareem. i'm ready to serve it.

if we were to begin a dialogue about race how would we broach the subject? >> i think we would broach the subject by just understanding the history of our country, the fact that violence against black americans and all different types of attempts to exploit them financially have made for a very miserable time for most black americans here in america. and we can point out the historical examples of how that came to pass and how it continued to perpetuate itself. >> is at conversation that's necessary or something more than a conversation? >> i think it's a conversation because we can point to specific historical examples. and say that these things keep happening. you saw what happened just recently the report from the justice department about what was going on in ferguson. that's going on for decades.

most americans would not believe a government would exploit people in such a wanton and cynical way as was happening to black americans in the st. louis area. but finally the justice department report really cleared that up and showed why there was so much anger there and why it was so hard to deal with that type of resentment because these people were victimized on a regular basis. exploited for their money. >> finally, when the president's legacy is written relative to this issue, what will it be? >> well i think you know the president has stayed away from this issue because he does not want to be seen as being biased and just being the president for black americans. he is the president for all americans and he has to take a certain stance just to be fair minded. >> kareem abdul-jabbar thank you so much for being here. >> nice talking to you, michael.

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civil engineers, asce gives letter grades to our nation's infrastructure in 16 different categories. in 2013 the overall assess sment warranted a d plus. in the category of roads we received a "d" for poor. the remainder of the asce report card has grades that would make any parent wins. take a look at these. airports "d," dams "d," hazardous waste "d," levees "d" minus. 32% of america's major roads are in poor or immediate owe ker condition and that costs u.s. motorists about $324 per person. aaa mid atlantic told me the annual cost to mort tests of poll holes alone is $6.4 billion which might be exceeded this year due to weather. he faults our political leadership for not addressing the infrastructure issues.

ed rendell was the chair of an organization called rebuild america while he was governor of pennsylvania and included his founding of building america's future and told me infa structure is important first and foremost to our public safety. we see what happens when bridges collapse or pipelines burst it's important to our quality of life to our economic competitiveness, the ability to move goods swiftly is crucial particularly in the global economy and lastly it's the best producer of quality middle-class jobs that pay 60 70 $80,000 a year and you don't have to have a college degree. well rendell knows a thing or two about winning elections. he amassed a career record of 12-2. so i asked him, what would happen to a 2016 congressional senatorial or presidential candidate who premises their campaign on addressing infrastructure. he told me that if such a candidate talked about the cost of doing nothing, compared to the little cost of raising a tax to help pay for infrastructure

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