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about that. if you're going to say, for instance, in a lot of states have choose life. >> i understand. >> plates that are pro-life. well then the other side of that is pro-choice which a lot of people i know are. >> yeah. all right. >> they're controversial issues. but -- >> i understand. we have to leave it there. we've got to leave it there. thank you very much. >> i hope we can pick it up sometime. thank you for having me on. >> i'm randy k. thanks for watching today. waffle starts right now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. wherever you're watching from around the world. thanks for joining us. let's get right to the breaking news on yemen. new pictures have just been
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released by isis showing the suicide bombers in last week's horrific attack. stake a look at these. more than 130 people were killed in those terror attacks, hundreds more were injured. the worsening situation there leading to the deck collar ration from a united nations envoy that the country is inching ever closer to a full-blown civil war. let's go to our senior international correspondent nic robertson. what can you tell us about these new images we're now getting from isis nick? >> wolf, one of the interesting things about these images, they are all yemenis. they're sort of in their deepest fighting at the moment. we hear of al qaeda killing houthis here. but these are potentially former al qaeda members, certainly isis members now from this part of yemen that's in a deep fight
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with the houthis. and this is propaganda nows a well additional propaganda on top of the attack. isis trying to do what it does in other countries which is make a lot of propaganda which is attract people to its fight and away from al qaeda as well wolf. >> over the weekend we learned that the u.s. pulled out its remaining 100 or so special forces from yemen. the u.s. embassy has been evacuated a couple of months earlier. britain has now followed suit is that right? >> britain has followed suit. and you have a call from the yemeni foreign minister to get the gulf to bring military intervention to help him and the rest of the country. of course this is the government at the moment the internationally recognized government is in the south in aden less than 100 miles that the hugh think rebels have just
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taken. >> a cue airport in southwest yemen, the third largest city has now been overrun as well. tell us about that. >> that's sig can't. the rebels came into taiz the third largest city in yemen. they took control of the airport. they arrived by air and road. they also took control of certain government buildings, police buildings, interior ministry buildings. this is a city that does not broadly support the rebels yet they now appear in control and are literally a relatively short drive down the main radio to the city of aden. also thursday last week, the president's house in aden was attacked by fighter bomber jets believed to be houthis. really what you're saying right now is the potential for the internationally recognized government to get further squeezed in yes menyemen.
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>> very dangerous situation in yemen. nic robertson in london thanks very much. yemen is clearly split three ways there's the elected government forced out by the rebels. those rebels are these iranian backed houthis who control areas of the capital and are now in the southwest as well. then's al kei ga also known as aqap. they're in eastern yemen. let's talk about all of this with our cnn military analyst retired lieutenant colonel from california. our cnn intelligence and security analyst, former cia operative and our cnn terrorism analyst. colonel, with the u.s. and british special forces now out, are there any eyes and ears on the ground specifically as related to aqap or even isis that could help the u.s. appreciate what's going on? >> this is a major blow. we've lost our ability to find
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out what's going on on the ground. british have lost theirs. without the embassy, we've basically got nothing there. we can view this from the air using drones. but it just makes it that much harder. this has been a big problem for us. >> last september, bob baer the president touted yemen as a success story. this is the president of the united states on september 10th of last year. >> the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. >> since then the u.s. has evacuated, abandoned yemen. the same exists in somalia, no u.s. embassy there. is he getting bad intelligence from the u.s. intelligence community or is he simply wrong in these kinds of assessments? >> no. he got bad briefings. he got bad briefing on syria and
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iraq. he called that the jv team. he called yemen a success. the intelligence community is way behind on assessing what the islamic state is and it's time to change advisers. yemen is a mess. you've got large parts of the country falling under the al qaeda or the islamic state, you've got the president, the elected president, he's on his way out, you've got houthis marches on aden. they're getting closer. and you pof got the former deposed president siding with the houthis. that chances of a civil war not breaking nout a major way in yemen, draw in the saudis drawing in the arabians with it's almost certain it's going to happen. >> paul, are we headed for a faceoff now in yemen, a face-juf between sunni aqap and the largely shiite houthis.
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>> i think we're already there. there's been fierce fighting in the central parts of yemen, in the province between these two groups. and this is all really playing to the advantage of aqap al qaeda's affiliate in yemen. it's getting a recruitment windfall from june any tribals. been able to expand its operations throughout the country. it now has more resources than anytime before. this has been the most active al qaeda affiliate when it comes to launching clocks against the united states. it has more resource to do that than ever before. this is a group that wants to blow an american airliner out of the sky. they've been making sophisticated devices. this is of huge concern to washington, d.c. right now for all of our security. >> yeah. they're saying it may be teetering towards civil war. certainly does look like civil war already. looks like another syria in the
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making in yemen. i want all of you to stand by. we have a lot more coming up include this. a group claim to have tying to isis threatening u.s. troops here in the united states. how real is this so-called hack attack. how serious is their so-call hit list targeting u.s. military personnel for death. and later, the texas senator ted cruz he becomes the first big name to officially enter the 2016 presidential race but is an early entry an advantage? we'll take a closer look at what's going on.
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against u.s. troops. the group calls its the islamic state hacking organization. they posted the names and addresses of u.s. military personnel. how real is this threat and how is the u.s. military and law enforcement responding? let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what are the officials over there saying about the threat? do they take it seriously? >> well certainly very upsetting to the military personnel and their families on this list. what pentagon officials are telling me is that yes, they're taking it seriously. all of the military service is now notifying their members who appear on this list. the navy and marine corps are doing in-person notifications directly to the people listed. but in the initial analysis what they also say is they don't see any hacking. what does that mean? they don't believe a military database was cracked into if you will by some isis organization. it appears that most of this
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information comes off of these people's social media accounts. that's what it appears to be. that someone went into you know online social media and just started looking for any names and addresses of military personnel. so once again the pentagon is reminding all military personnel to be very careful about any personal data they post online or that they post in their social media account, probably good advice for all of us out there in today's cyber world. so it starts with that notifying everybody, making sure everybody looks one more time at their social media account. they're not being dismissive of it. but right now we're being told they don't see a particular imminent threat. >> so basically what the threat is there's 100 members of the u.s. military some active duty some retired, their names are on the list, their pictures their home address. and isis is basically urging
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their supporters in the united states you can't come fight in iraq or syria or yemen, fight in the united states. go out and what kill these people? is that their something they're telling their supporters? >> yeah. you know it certainly seems to be that is the message of these types of things and the message of this account in particular. and that -- i mean nobody is being dismissive. there's constant concern about all of this and we have seen the so-called lone wolf attacks all over the place, haven't we. so people who are somewhat inclined to engage in this level of violence have plenty of opportunity out there if they want to go look for it. this perhaps underscoring the threat to military personnel that is out there, that they are likely targets for people who want to engage in violence. right now no imminent threat but taking it seriously and notifying everyone involved. >> are these people being provided extra security? these family?
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they must be terrified, members of the families of these 100 u.s. military personnel. is law enforcement providing them protection? >> we don't know that. that would be up to the individual military services and they're not discussing any specifics in that regard at this point. but, wolf, let me put something else out there. this is a list of names and addresses. military personnel in the country often move change city move to new bases, new locations. there may well be some addresses out there where they no longer live and there may be other people living at those addresses. they may have sold their house and moved a year ago. this becomes a very corp kated issue to try and track all of these people down. and for both the military and local law enforcement in these towns and city to decide the best course of action. >> yeah, pretty terrifying situation for these families. thanks very much. let's get back to our panel to talk about this our intelligence and security
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analyst and former cia operative bob baer is with us and paul crook shack. colonel, what do you think? should these family members of these u.s. military personnel and these military personnel identified on this list their names addresses, pictures should they be provided security special protection in. >> the problem with that is it's a resource issue. there's not enough people to provide the protection that would be needed and there's probably not that much of a threat to all of them. but as we've talked in the past it only takes one attack to make the impact that they desire. and there's so many targets out there, almost impossible to secure it. the lone wolf attacks are called that for a reason. it's one person going out and doing something. they're almost impossible to detect ahead of time and almost impossible to stop. unnorth un unfortunately this poses a threat. one thing i did was to go on to the social media sites looking
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for this type of information. although the defense department and the central command particularly have put out bulletin to their people to watch what they post on social media, to change their names and take other steps to safeguard their private data it's all out there. i was able to pull probably dozens of people's personal information, where they kids go to school what athletic events they're going to attend where they're going to be. it's all out there. it's just data mining. it's not hacking. we have to be very careful and hopefully the service members are going to take these precautions. >> they should. bob, this group calls themselves the islamic state hacking organization. we don't know if it's part of isis, not part of isis. it's pretty terrifying because this information is as the colonel points out, pretty much available online. what you do about a situation like this? >> well yeah it's data mining. any of this stuff i could find
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your address you could find my address. you do credit checks go to a bank. any of this stuff is available. but it's even worse on social media where people post this stuff and the special forces they all keep this off because they know they're potential targets. . this is a call to these lone wolves. you know where this is the list that we want you to go after and whether this is actually the islamic state or al qaeda, it doesn't really matter. they're looking for the one lunatic to go out there and attack uniformed military personnel and i would take this very seriously if i were the military. >> what's your analysis paul? >> i absolutely agree this needs to be taken seriously. we've seen past attacks on soldiers in canada. we saw two canadian soldiers being killed in two separate attacks last october, in the uk in the streets of london, in may
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2013, a british soldier being hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets of london. isis are calling on their supporters in the west to target soldiers particularly american soldiers. we saw a plot in the united states last may, an isis supporters in rochester new york discussing planning to hit returning servicemen from iraq in the united states. so there is precedent for this and i think it's of concern. >> certainly is. all right, guys. stand by. we have more to discuss. just ahead, medical students who may be working in hospitals controlled by isis in syria. one lay maker says they were brainwashed. our panel is standing by. we'll talk about the lure of isis and its ability to recruit medical students to enter their battle. you're not you. tylenol® pm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. we give you a better night. you're a better you all day.
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they've been brainwashed by isis. that's what a turkish lawmaker says about 11 medical students. they're suspected of traveling to syria to work in hospitals controlled by the terror group. nine of the 11 are seen in photos here. check them out. the turkish lawmakers say the parents have asked for help tracking down the students. withdraw may remember last year a 19-year-old woman from colorado was arrested at the airport in denver. she was about to leave for an isis camp hoping to work there as a nurse. let's get back to our panel to talk about isis recruitment, the lure of the terrorist group. paul we hear a lot about these
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disillusions young people. but these are medical students. some of them were finishing up their fourth year of medical school getting ready to start their residencies. how unusual is it for isis to attract medical students like this to leave their schools, go to turkey sneak across the border and start helping isis? >> well believe it or not, quite a few medical students have actually traveled to syria and joined up with groups like isis. many originally sort of went there for humanitarian reasons and then were radicalized. we saw a kidnapping plot in 2012 by a british nhs trainee who was accused of wanting to kidnap john cantlie the first time john cantlie was kidnapped. another british medical student who was actually at the same university as these other nine was recently arrested in the uk in october in a plot to target british soldiers and police on the streets of london.
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there's been some precedent for this. and of course the paramount leader of al qaeda worldwide is dr. zar war he. many of these medical students families family members are camped out on the turkish side of if border. they vow not to leave without their children are now with isis inside syria. how difficult is it let's say, for one of these medical students to get out of syria once they've joined forcings with isis? >> well wolf, once they've taken in by this cult -- it is a death cult -- very few come out. i mean it's the rare one that gets away escapes, breaks this brainwashing. so i think the chances of these families actually convincing their children or convincing the
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islamic state to release them is dero to none. it's too late. the switch went off in their heads. they have to go to syria or iraq and defend islam, the caliphate. once the brainwashing has taken affect effect it's hard to get them back. >> a year ago the president was swer viewed by the "new yorker" magazine and he said this. the analogy we use around here sometimes and i think it's accurate, is if a jv teams puts on lakers uniforms they didn't make them kobe bryant. he's belittling isis saying it's a jv team. we now know it's not a jv team. it's a major international threat. is this an intelligence community blunder? is the president getting bad information here or is he misinformed by his senior
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advisers over at the white house? >> i'll have to say it's a combination of both. bob and i both talk to the people in the intelligence community. the ones i talk to seem to have a fair appreciation of what isis is and how dangerous they are and they tell me that they're sending up the reports but they're not sure they're being read or heeded. i'm sure there's blame enough to go around. but i think everybody under estimated the ability of isis to not only operate in syria and iraq but to expand now to a region wide operation. >> sort of reminds me of when the intelligence community assured president bush that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction, stockpiles, it was a slam dunk. the secretary colin powell went and assured the world that the intelligence community was right. then to see after the invasion it was wrong. clearly some of that is going on right now. there's some intelligence community explaining that's
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going to have to be done as an aftermath of what the president has now been saying. up next we'll switch gears. here in the united states ted cruz the senator from texas, he's officially in the presidential race. we're going to hear how he announced his bid. we're going to talk about the road ahead. what it means potentially for someone who wants to be the next president of the united states. you. tylenol® pm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. we give you a better night. you're a better you all day. tylenol®.
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world. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. here in the united states senator ted cruz became the first major name to officially announce the 2016 presidential run. after a twitter announcement in the early morning, the texas republican grabbed the microphone at virginia's liberty university >> and i believe god isn't done with america yet. [ applause ] i believe in you. i believe in the power of millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of america. and that is why today i am announcing that i'm running for president of the united states. [ applause ] >> all right. let's get some perspective. here is where ted cruz sits in the latest cnn poll. he's tied for eighth with the
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former texas governor rick perry. well behind the front runners right now jeb bush and scott walker. but neither of them have officially declared. he's discuss what's going on with our cnn political director david chal onand our national political reporter peter ham by. first of all, david, the decision to announce at liberty university why there? >> it's because of the evangelical wing of the party is the one that ted cruz is going to try to own. it's a crowded lane in the republican nomination with mike huckabee and rick sanatorium. but he wanted to lay down the marker early saying this is going to be my base of support, incollide the republican party that's going to launch this campaign. remember some 40% of iowan republican caucus goers identify themselves as evan gel chal christians. >> he's trying to get a step ahead of rick santorum or mike
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huckabee. >> there are so many players in that space. and by trying to plant a flag early, he could sort of box them out a little bit. lay claim to it. david and i were talking earlier in his office and we were saying that look by going first, you know he's guaranteeing perhaps -- other than hillary clinton and jeb bush -- most of the media attention. we're going to see media buzz in the next few weeks. >> most of the cable nations took his speech live today. that's what he wants. >> without a doubt. peter was saying he also wanted to change the conversation a little bit. the conversation about the republican nom nax fight has really been about jeb bush and scott walker in the last several weeks. not about ted cruz. he wanted to alter that. jump out early, be first and get all of the attention to be being first. and then of course there is the money demand. the second fund-raising quarter
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begins april 1st. sit going to be a tough battle with jeb bush scott walker chris christie gobbling up money. he wanted his account open. >> he told the student to texas him and they're going to get fund-raising solicitations. he's making a play for the evangelical voters. but the influence of that vote in the general elections, he made a call that if millions of evangelicals show up to vote we can win again. but they've been showing up in strong numbers for many elections. they showed up and voted for mitt romney and he still lost. and that's because you have another part of the population that's getting bigger. you have hispanic american catholics, black protestants and they're voting in bigger and bigger numbers as those segments of the population grows. he can say if we rally the troops we can win a general election but there's still a
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limitation there. >> this is a fundamental conundrum. he launched today a campaign to win the iowa caucuses first. but you've seen many of these nomination contests. the most successful candidates are able to launch at the starting gate with the same something message they can raid all the way through to the november election. ted cruz the way the demographics are going, has got that challenge. he's running right now just to sort of capture the base of the party to launch a candidacy for the nomination less about the ground swell from the country for the nomination. >> for our viewers who may not be familiar with ted cruz he's 44 years old, he's a son f a cuban immigrant to the united states. he was born in canada. his mother is american. there's no questions of birthism or anything like this. he's a natural born u.s. citizen even though he was born in
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canada. nobody is raising that issue as they did obviously with president obama, even though he was born in hawaii. >> some on the left tried to raise questions about that saying aha, there's a double standard here. we may not be a u.s. citizen because he was born in calgary. he denounced his canadian citizenship just last year. >> we have a lot more to discuss. we also have some breaking news we're following. the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has now apologized. stand by. we have details. we'll be right back. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that.
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citizens. let's go to elise, our global affairs correspondent joining us from jerusalem right now. he's issued a pretty dramatic apology for what he said on the eve of the recollection right elise? >> reporter: that's right. well you know these comments have really reverberate, the comments that the prime minister made about trying to get the right wing voters to come out to prevent arabs that are coming out from drofs from unseating him. those comments really taken poorly. not only about the israeli arabs here in israel but also around the world and in particular the united states. today prime minister netanyahu met with the group of minorities and he just put on his facebook page just moments ago, he said i know what i said a few days ago damaged israel's arabs. i had no intention of it. i'm sorry for that. i see myself as a prime minister of each and every one of you, all citizens of israel without
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any distinction of religion race and gender. now as you know wolf the prime minister has tried to walk back those comments over the last several days saying he wasn't talking about arabing in particular but talking about a wider movement with money coming from the outside to unseat him. but israel's palestinians that have israeli citizenship, 1.6 million who did very well in the election came out in droves actually they did. did very well in the election. the third biggest block. very hurt by those comments and now the prime minister trying to soften that blow and trying to say that he is sorry, wolf. >> as you know over the weekend, the president, in an interview on the huffington post, he was pretty critical of the prime minister for those remarks saying it represented not the best of israel's tradition. when he hears the president of
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the united states criticizing him sharply for the comments on the eve of the election that arab citizens of israel were coming out in droving, that must have had a serious impact on the prime minister. >> reporter: well, it did. and you know, israeli officials have been saying that they felt they were trying to clarify those remarks saying listen we're not against a two-state solution in theory. but right now with all to have chaos in the region the islamic extremism engulfing the middle east and the international criminal court, they also cited the unity government and hamas as all evidence that this is not the time. but israeli officials say they do want to work with the white house on a two-state solution. but i also might add, israeli officials are also saying that that think the white house may be hyping this spat and his comments over israel's arab
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citizen to deflect what they call is a bad deal shaping up in switzerland, a bad nuclear deal with iran. and they feel this is an effort by the united states to deflect attention away from what they call a very bad deal for not only israel but the world, wolf. >> once again, the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu formally apologizing saying i know what i said a few days ago damaged israel's arabs i had no intention of that. i'm sorry. we'll get reaction from the citizens and from the officials here in washington. much more on this story coming up here on cnn. when we come back we'll return to our discussion of senator ted cruz he has just become the first republican presidential candidate of the race for the white house pledging to what he says will be the restoration of the american dream. his big initiative he says we'llill
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let's get back to our developing political news here in the united states. the announcement for the texas republican senator ted cruz that he's now entered, officially entered the 2016 race for the white house. our senior washington correspondent jeff zel is joining us now from lynchburg, virginia over at liberty university also back with us our cnn political director and our national political reporter pet ter ham by. jeff how did it go over there
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at liberty university. i listened to the whole speech. it was about a half-hour. he told the story of his life told the story of why he wanted to be president. much of it was devoted to a tough attack on the president of the united states. >> reporter: no question. that was the central point of this. he went hard against president obama. but there was also perhaps more interestingly a few subtle attacks at jeb bush the former florida governor who is the republican establishment candidate in race. that's what this was all about. he was here on the campus of liberty university to say that the is offering a different type of republican presidential candidacy candidacy, an e vn gel call candidacy that he will go against the establishment. he was offering an alternative. we'll see if these republican voters accept it. >> how was he received? >> reporter: i thought he seemed good in his speech. he seemed very -- he gives a
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good speech. and in fact sitting in that rally of some 10,000 students who were required to attend it reminded you of an early barack obama campaign rally some eight years ago. of course many, many differences between their candidacies. but he certainly gives a good speech. his tough part starts now though showing he's someone who can govern instead of just stir thing up. >> he's a very intelligent guy. went to law school. as of all of the students who went the harvard law school he may be among the top five most brilliant harvard law students. that's quite a compliment. >> it is. i don't know that that's won him a ton of friends in the united states senate. he has that reputation at not being there to sort of go along, get along. it's way john mccain called him part of the what cobird caucus of the party.
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when you're there leading the party and leading a government you're not going to win a lot of invitations to lunch. >> yes. at cpac a few weeks ago, he called himself the uber of politics. that's what he wants on be. he wants to disrupt the republican party. but this is a suspicious bet that he's placing, that he can win the republican nomination just based on conservatives. that hasn't happened since 1964. it happened at the convention. the way we nominate presidents ss now is very ted cruz gets to a frontrunner having they will try to knock him out of the race. >> we'll have a rotlot mout throughout the day. thanks guys. still ahead, we're going live to kabul, afghanistan for a cnn exclusive. how isis is offering cash to
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afghan president is here in washington. he's already met with john kerry and ash carter. under this new leadership, afghanistan signed a new security agreement with the under under united states and open to keeping troops beyond the current can deadline. isis attempts to recruit fighter this is europe and had been making headline but now they're moving even further away from its base by recruiting in afghanistan. our senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has this exclusive look at how they're doing it. >> where there has long been faith and war, in afghanistan serene hills a newed a modern
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playing has now come. you're seeing rare pictures filmed by our cameraman of what we are told is an isis recruitment session in afghanistan. brothers i'm here to tell you, the recruiter says about syria. after a decade of war, taliban is strong but fractured and the u.s. is leaving. the u.n. warns isis is getting a foothold in afghanistan and this may be how. this afghan says he's come back from fighting in northern syria and is one of five recruiters. his pitch is simple. come fight true jihad for al baghdadi for a $500 wage. some are driven. my aim is to fight infidels one says in syria or if they ask me to in afghanistan i will. others aren't sure and just poor. i definitely need the money but will stay here and hope peace
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comes. there is a bit of theater here. isis application forms for them to complete on camera. but also a clear message to angry young of a gaps disillusioned with taliban, wars and even now a more ruthless choice you can make. isis. >> nick paton walsh is joining us live from kabul. nick does isis have any specific broad appeal to afghanis? >> reporter: i think if you look at the taliban's condition right now, they're potentially going to some of them talk peace maybe with the satisfy began government and also advancing in some areas militarily too. that may leave some of their more younger radical frustrated and disgruntled and that might mean isis i'd control gi is attractive to those. that's what i think has u.s. and u.n. officials most concerned.
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they weren't so much worried about isis military capability or territory, but more they could become a flag pole for those who get disgruntled with the taliban. >> what is it like in kabul now? you're back there on the scene because the new afghani president is here this washington and asking to keep troop there is i don't understand the expected scheduled deadline. >> reporter: it's tense it's fair to say. there have been an enormous amount of helicopters in the sky. streets feel much emptier. there is no minister of defense now. is the taliban military here? seems to be the case. it isn't look like afghan security forces. they seem to be losing tens of thousands according to pentagon figures thisin the past year a lot
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weighing on the minds of those living in kay living in kabul. >> thanks nick. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room". newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. here we go top of the hour. you're watching cnn. just a heads up we'll go live to charlottesville any minute now. let me set this up for you. we may finally learn what happened to this young woman at the university of virginia by the name of jackie. jackie. whose story of an alleged gang rape in "rolling stone" magazine just a couple months ago caught all kinds of national attention last fall. any moment here you can see some of the members of the media, this is a packed packed house in this room. they're waiting to see the police chief, potentially other investigators step up to this podium and explain what exa
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