revealed -- in the french alps helicopters back in the air searching for victims and what little is left of the plane. here's what's clear -- the germanwings literally disintegrated on impact. from there, the mystery grows, investigators still trying to figure out how it crashed mid flight taking all 150 lives with it. the voice recorder was recovered, but badly damaged. >> french authorities analyzing it now, hoping to find out what caused the jet to descend 32,000 feet in eight minutes with no distress signal from the cockpit. germanwings forced to cancel other flights yesterday after crew members expressed concerns about getting on board, this as family members head to the crash site we have this crash covered the way only cnn can. we begin with senior international correspondent nic robertson, near the crash site in the french alps what's the scene there, nic? >> a scene of activity this morning, the helicopters moving

quite frequently. we've seen a lot of french police helicopters, the occasional italian helicopter flying in here. the interior minister saying the operations were delayed and slowed overnight. the recovery operations appear to be in full swing. the interior minister spokesman saying that right now the focus and the effort is all towards recovering the victims of the crash. this morning, thousands of feet up in the french alps recovery of the obliterated germanwings flight 9525 continues. the crash site a picture of horror says germany's foreign minister. wreckage of plane strewn across ten acres of rocky terrain. all 150 souls on board, including 16 school children and two babies presumed lost. a storm front pushing rain and possibly snow into the higher elevations today, may hinder the recovery effort.

>> the mountain weather often creates clouds it's a very challenging situation for the rescuers. >> around 10:00 a.m. local tuesday, the airbus 320 was on the ground in barcelona, its takeoff delayed by 30 minutes. the company says it was air traffic control issues not the plane itself that delayed departure departure. once in the air around 10:45 a.m. headed towards dusseldorf germany. the plane reached a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. then suddenly flight 9525 descended rapidly for eight minutes. the pilots making no distress signal. >> there was a controlled descent. it doesn't appear it was a loss of control in flight. we don't know if there was problems with their equipment. with their radios. >> at 6,000 feet the germanwings flight lost contact with french radar, crashing into the side of this mountain. the flight's cockpit voice recorder has been recovered.

but is damaged, according to the french interior ministry. who are now reconstructing the elements. >> it's devastating says the ceo of germanwings parent company. there are very small pieces of debris which let you deduce the energy with which the plane hit the ground. now some germanwings crew are reluctant to fly, horrified after this mysterious crash. the airline forced to cancel a small number of flights. >> so it's on this field here that the first, the first, the victims' bodies will be brought back to by the helicopters, it is french police with mountain mountaineering equipment that are being dropped into the site to secure it the interior ministry spokesman saying right now the priority to recover the bodies of the victims. chris? >> nic, we know they're making a massive human effort on that level. 200 on the team expected to get to 500, the terrain very

forbidding and slowing things up. now the 150 people were on that doomed flight they came from nearly 20 countries there were a group of german school kids on board, as well as dozens of victims believed to have come from spain. so let's get to cnn's carl penhall live outside barcelona, that's where 9525 originated. carl? >> yeah absolutely chris. we're at a village here just north of barcelona, this is where 16 german secondary schoolkids had spent the last week in a language and cultural exchange program. those kinds of programs are so common across europe you drop into classes in spain, learn a little of the language stay with a host family and friendships are forged. friendships that could last a lifetime. and it was here now that students are having to come to terms with the loss of friends. this was the return leg, because spanish students three weeks ago were in germany and so over the last few minutes in a short

simple and very private ceremony friends, parents and teachers have been remembering those german friends who are now dead. but of course it wasn't just germans, nor just spaniards who are on board that flight. lufthansa is now trying to put together a list of the numbers of nationalities that were on board. i counted eight or nine different nationalityies, mexicans argentinians colombians japanese australians. this is a tragedy that is transcending nations and generations. because also remember barcelona very cosmopolitan city it's a tourist center people coming for vacation and also for short weekend breaks retirees from northern europe coming down here looking for a bit of winter sun. it's also a commercial hub as well. and we understand that some of the people on board that flight were also business men heading to trade fairs in germany. back to you, alisyn. >> karl terribly sad, thank you

for that report. we want to bring in mary sciavo a cnn aviation analyst and former inspector-general of the department of transportation. good morning, mary. >> good morning. >> i know you've had a chance to look over the available data. what stands out to you about this crash? >> well to me what stands out are two things. one, that there was no radio communication new york city distress call no mayday no squawking of any trance ponder codes to indicate a problem was going on. no communication and there that there was no deviation in the path. once whatever happened at 38,000 feet occurred the plane continued on a descent with no change in direction. no deviation up and down. so you know based on prior crashes that i've worked on it certainly sounds like they either had some sort of a loss of compass tags of the pilots or a loss of the ability to steer, control, change the pitch or the attitude of the plane, if you will or the direction. so there have been accidents

like this in the past but they're quite rare at this altitude. >> there were two other airports that were close to the flight path that if there was an emergency, the pilots could have deviated to. and the fact that they didn't do that it does speak to your theory of incapacitation. >> you know there have been accidents in the past crashes in the past i'm remembering alaska air back in 2000 where they had a problem with the plane and they passed up some airports and they were doing an in-flight, en route trouble shut is what we call it there was a lot of discussion after that and it was said take the first available runway. i think pilots are pretty well trained to take an airport if they've got a problem. not try to fix something in the air if they knew it and had the ability to go back to that airport, they would have. >> what causes pilot incapacitation? >> well usually, not usually -- it's rare. there are a couple of things

one is if you have a rapid decompression and the pilots are not able to get on their auxiliary oxygen masks fast enough. or it's such a catastrophic depressurization depending on where it occurred in the plane and so they pass out. apoxia lack of oxygen. the second reason could be some kind of smoke or fume event, a fire on board, which again, the pilots have emergency oxygen but sometimes it's so quick, and the plane can fill up with smoke and fumes from a fire very quickly. so those are the two things that have happened in the past. >> the european air safety commission recently issued a warning about something they discovered that could put a plane into a descent. do you know anything about this? >> yes. what they had looked at and the united states federal aviation administration also flagged this but what they looked at was it was an attitude indicator. in other words, it tells you if your to put it simply if your

plane's nose is up or down what is the exact position of your plane with respect to the horizon. are you pitched up? or are you pitched down. and this is a tube on the port of the plane. on the side of the plane, and it reads this by having air flow into the plane. there were some problems with others, air france 447 had some indication there is might have been these tube problems. and one is called a pedo tube and the other one is a port that takes in information. and the airline did come out with a statement saying they had made those changes to this plane and other planes in their fleet. they had done their changeover on the fleet to comply with this warning. whether that's true or not, of course the french bea, the investigators will find that out, first thing they do in addition to try to assess if there are any survivors is start grabbing the records of the maintenance of the plane. >> we know that both black boxes have been found, but the voice recorder is damaged. does that mean they will not be able to get information off it?

>> not necessarily. and it's a good thing it was on land. if it had been damaged, if the heavy, heavy container, it's sealed up in a very heavy metal box and it's capable of withstanding tremendous impact. but not all impact. had it been under water and had saltwater damage in addition to having the casing breached it can be very difficult. what they're going to try to do is get any kind of data off of that that they can. but if it's a mechanical the flight data recorder i feel very confident will have it. it literally records hundreds of parameters of data. it will have the air speed, the attitude the positioning of the engines, the positions on the engines, how, what were they set at. and just all sorts of data. it looks kind of like a very zensive ekg. you have an ekg at the doctor and you have the lines of data running across the paper, that's what it looks like when you print out a flight data recorder and experts are able to take each piece of that and

reconstruct the flight. as long as the flight data recorder is intact i think they'll solve the mystery quickly. very sad mystery, but they'll figure it out. >> germanwings had to cancel several flights yesterday because flight crews didn't want to get back on board. is that -- certainly we can all understand the feeling of being overwhelmed by emotion. is that true on american airlines as well? is that commonplace? >> it's not commonplace, but this is a very a very strange mystery. i think probably the closest analogy is back about probably about 20 years, we had an odd situation on 737s, older 737s, not the current ones that are flying but on 737, i think 200 model, there were mysterious hardovers, the plane would make a dramatic veering, it was a rudder hard over and no one could solve the mystery. it remains one of the largest unsolves for a long time and people were very skittish about that. back in the late '80s, early

'90s, people were skittish about the dc-10, it had an engine loss over chicago. an engine fell off. not a engine shut down. an actual refuse to fly, no. but if you think about it this is a huge plane and this is a huge mystery, on a clear day the pilots if conscious, would have seen the mountains. so we know that they didn't intentionally or they couldn't do this if there was any way to control the plane they would have changed the course of direction. so it's a very frightful thought to a pilot and i can certainly understand the emotion. >> it is all so troubling. thanks so much, merry,america mary nice to see you. certain members of congress are dismissing a "wall street journal" report that basically, that basically benefitted from israel's spying on u.s. nuclear talks with iran. president obama not commenting however the administration is not happy that classified information was shared. cnn's michelle kosinski live at the white house this morning. not commenting, but is there a

connection between recent tension and what white house knew was going on? >> i mean there really seems to be. even the way this came up in the press is weird. this is now leaks about the leaks. in nuclear talks with iran. allegations of spying that were allegedly discovered through spying. but it's not even the spying that has the administration questioning or particularly upset. it's the putting out there of sensitive information, seen as further damaging this relationship. >> did israel spy on its allies' negotiations with iran? that's what anonymous official sources quoted in "the wall street journal" are accusing full-on eavesdropping on communications and pulling sensitive details out of informants. all allegedly discovered by the u.s. in turn spying on israel. publicly the administration won't talk about it. >> i don't comment on intelligence matters in a big room full of reporters. >> we're not going to comment on

intelligence matters. >> israel dunn it is calling the allegations utterly false. the state of israel does not conduct espionage against the united states or israel's other allies which is interesting, because it's well known that ally does spy. and israel isn't denying spying on iran which allies are working directly with but the u.s. officials in the article are most angry about what what they say was israel's sharing of confidential details with congress. which members of congress deny. >> frankly, i was a bit shocked, because there's no information revealed to me whatsoever. i'm baffled by it. >> none of those cases have the israelis discussed with me anything that i would consider classified or even all that sensitive. >> we heard that again and again from a number of members. some of whom suspect it's the white house that used that article to add another slam on israel's attempts to derail a deal with iran. >> this can't be reduced to a

matter of somehow let's all hold hands and sing kumbayah it's a matter of figuring how to get through a real knotty policy difference that has great consequences for both countries and for the region. >> you know a couple weeks ago we started to see the leaks come out of the talks. very specific details. things like the negotiation, negotiators were looking for a ten-year timeframe on a potential deal there was a one-year breakout period. the approximate number of centrifuges, it seemed to take the white house by surprise they clearly blamed israel. saying that putting information out there like that betrays the trust between allies. and that's not how allies are supposed to behave. >> it sounds like that is true. thanks so much. let's talk presidential politics because one of the biggest crusaders against obamacare signing up for obamacare. gop presidential candidate senator ted cruz says he is simply following the law.

cnn's chief congressional correspondent dana bash sat down one-on-one with senator cruz. fascinating interview. >> i wanted to ask this question because on cnn.com, mj lee had reported that ted cruz was needing health insurance. he was getting it from his wife's company, goldman sachs, she was leaving to help him with his campaign. asked him the simple question how are you going to get insurance, this was his answer. >> she's taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job. we're transitioning, we'll be getting new health insurance. we'll do it through my job in the senate so we'll be on the federal exchange like millions of others on the federal exchange. >> you will be getting obamacare effectively. >> it is one of the good things about obamacare is that the statute provided that members of congress would be on the exchanges without subsidies, just like millions of americans. so there wouldn't be a double standard. >> so frankly, i didn't expect him to say that i didn't know what the answer was going to be.

i thought maybe he would say, we would do cobra, which a lot of people do when they leave their job. they extend their health insurance. >> his wife's insurance. certainly you can buy insurance through the private sector outside of the exchange through the individual market. their campaign argue thats individual market is decimated because of obamacare. he's investigating this looking into it. afterwards he was pretty clear firm that he was doing obamacare afterwards his people were like well he's still considering it. >> you also asked if he would be taking the so-called subsidy or employer contribution. something like $1,000 for a family per month. that you get from the federal government. did he answer if he would be accepting that? >> he didn't answer when i asked that question. but his campaign got back to me afterwards and said no he's not going to do it a lot of republicans who do take obamacare, because that is the law of the land protest by saying we're not going to take

the employer contribution which is effectively an employer subsidy. >> thank you so much dana. president obama says 9800 u.s. troops will stay in afghanistan through the end of the year. the administration had planned to reduce that number to 5500 in the same timeframe. the revision comes at the request of afghanistan's new president, ashraf ghani. he is set to address a joint meeting of congress. today the u.s. will lead much-needed air strikes in tikrit to take out remaining isis positions. surveillance and reconnaissance air missions began tuesday. this is the first time the iraqi government has asked fr american assistance in the region. an offensive up until now waged largely by shiite militia with backing from iran. the snag here has been that the u.s. position is it does not coordinate directly with iran. >> secret service director joe clancy gets another earful from angry lawmakers criticizing him for not letting agents testify

about a march 4th incident where two agents allegedly drove a government vehicle through a bomb threat investigation. and nudged a barrier after a night of drinking. lawmakers also got their first look at surveillance video of the incident from the washington metropolitan police department. the secret service footage of the incident has been not been released. the footage will be key, right? >> sure. what's the difference did you push a barrier out of the way, did you nudge it? >> it's interesting how the story has sort of morphed. >> a lost guys and women in the secret service weren't happy about this from the beginning, because they said the story had gotten ahead of the facts. it started off the first word that we got was that they smashed through and they were ripping drunk and here's another example. and the story is getting walked back. sometimes it's better to wait. we'll see what happens. >> they never took a field sobriety test. >> there are questions, sure. what do you think the cause is of this tension between the u.s. and israel? spying to tip off congress

right? maybe not. not a single lawmaker will confirm ever being contacted. we're going to dig deeper.

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there is a twist in the israel spy scandal. the accusation is that israel snooped on the iran nuclear talks and shared sensitive information with members of congress. that's what the "wall street journal" reported in citing political chaos. but israel denies no member of congress will 'fess up and the white house doesn't seem to be up in arms. so what's going on here? joining us is cnn counterterrorism analyst former c.i.a. counterterrorism official mr. phillip mudd. mr. phillip mudd the direct question is, do you believe this to be a spy scandal? >> no i don't, i think there's a big difference between intelligence collection and spying. intelligence collection you can walk into a room in the foreign ministry in britain or the foreign ministry in paris, if you're an israeli official and say, what's going on with next talks? maybe somebody says you have a valid interest official in

acquiring this information and this is what's going on. i suspect the israelis collected a lot about this they have a national interest in understanding this and i suspect they went to congress and said this is what's going on if you want some ammunition in going after the administration. in my world of intelligence at the c.i.a. there's a big difference between collectsing that stuff and spying on americans, you might be seeing the gap between that right now. >> help us understand this, mr. mudd to the rest of us that sounds like spy doublespeak. collection versus spying. do you believe that israel was doing anything sneaky and giving it to congress like your brothers and sisters in the u.s. intelligence committee have suggested in "the wall street journal." >> i think there's a almost a certainty the israelis were picking up intelligence by collecting against the iranian target. they might have had technical collection intercepting communications from iran indicating what was going on in

the talks. by definition if they're collecting on the talks from the iranians they're picking you on the american side. you don't have to spy on the americans and use spy techniques to pick up on what's going on in the talks. you can spy on the iranians and say now i know what the americans are saying i just heard the iranians talk about it on a telephone call. >> so you say you're sure there was spying but it's what kind of spying and why they were doing it. >> correct. and who they're targeting. there is something in the intelligence business called passive collection if you're spying on the iranians and they're talking to the americans, passively, you pick up what the americans are saying. that doesn't mean you targeted the americans for collection. when i saw this story, i immediately wanted to say show me the money. were the facts that they were actually targeting an american and not just picking up knowledge or intelligence from another source big difference. >> so why did your brothers and sisters in the u.s. intel committee say they were spying on us and we know it because we were spying on them and caught them spying on us.

>> i want to know who said that and whether they know what they're talking about. this story looks to me to be pretty straightforward. i'm guessing my friends in langley are sitting back saying congress and the white house is fighting we don't have anything to do with this. what's happening here is congress has a lot of knowledge about the talks. a lot of members of congress don't like the talks, they're going to put that knowledge on the street to undercut the talks, the white house doesn't want to talk to congress because they're afraid they're going to leak. this is republicans versus democrats, white house versus congress. this is not a spy story. >> you don't even mention israel in your analysis of what this problem is. >> i think israel probably provided some knowledge to members of congress. i don't think that knowledge is necessarily highly classified. they might have picked it up by talking to diplomats in western europe. this is about political impasse in washington and partisanship. it's not about israel and it's not about spying. >> speaking of that you were in washington, d.c. is that true mr. mudd?

>> do you have any confirmation of that? >> i have multiple bar receipts. you were there to testify before the congress and were you there to give a message that you believe in the fight against extremism, there's a very neglected front, which is on the internet. what is your thought about this? >> when i started out, after returning from the white house, to the c.i.a. in 2002 i had been on a white house assignment we owned intelligence and technical knowledge that is information like email and phone knowledge about al qaeda. the u.s. government owned that knowledge. today, 15 years later, this war has changed hugely. kids in places like denver we saw some 15-year-old girls from denver recruited on social media into al qaeda several months ago. that knowledge is owned by people like twitter and facebook. the u.s. government doesn't own the data world any more any more in the intelligence world than they do in the public world. silicon valley owns that. what i was saying is we need a better relationship where we talk to silicon valley about

what's appropriate to collect about americans' activity in social media and what is technically, what we're technically able to collect. back 15 years ago, the u.s. government owned that stuff. today i think silicon valley does and i think the roles are reversed. we ought to go to them and say help us understand how we can do better to prevent a 15-year-old kid from joining ices is on the internet and let's make sure we do it so we protect american values and american privacy. >> we see the lack of coordination out of australia, as many as 200 of their youths were recruited to extremism through the internet. so clearly we don't have the right handle on how to combat that. mr. mudd that seemed like a worthy effort on your part down there in washington let's see if it bears fruit. >> i'll send you the bar bill thank you. >> michaela? be sure to stay with cnn for continuing coverage of the crash of flight 9525 in the french

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helicopters in the air this hour helping in the recovery of the germanwings flight 9525 that crashed into the french alps. investigators studying the damaged voice cockpit recorder for clues, all 150 people on board are presumed dead. search teams spotting human remains scattered among the debris. it's unclear why the jet descended 32,000 feet in eight minutes with no distress call from the cockpit. u.s. officials reportedly are negotiating with syria to secure the release of mcclatchy journalist austin twice, who was abducted back in 2012. discussions between the u.s. and damascus began before secretary of state john kerry talked about the need to have dialogue with syria last week. those talks reportedly being mediated by a czech diplomat. the long legal saga of

amanda knox could end as soon as today. it is italy's supreme court getting ready to decide if her murder conviction will be upheld. if it is italy could ask that she be extradited back to italy. knox was convicted the first time you'll remember and then acquitted in a retrial. that verdict was thrown out. knox is in washington state vowing never to return to italy. >> such a fascinating case. still years later. >> and the fact that you wonder will italy press the u.s. government to extradite her? what does that do for italian american relations? >> and would the u.s. turn her over? >> these are all interesting legal questions. they don't have to press, because they have an extradition agreement. however, that agreement has been violated in the past by both sides. when it suited what was seen as national government interests. so would amanda knox fall into that category? there's a big carve-out, we'll discuss it late anywhere the show with experts who have been following the case.

not to be forgotten is there's a huge amount of people in this country who say this was a bogus trial. there are a huge number of people in italy and elsewhere who disagree. >> and in britain where there's a young woman being mourned, still. >> where amanda kircher was from. >> really two sides. coming up later, right now, it is cnn money now, chief business correspondent christine romans in our money center. a huge merger this morning. >> it's a mac and cheese and ketchup merger. heinz is buying kraft. packaged food companies have been struggling food tastes are changing very quickly. people are seeking out healthier options, causing big challenges for these food companies. a lot of talk about the low-cost airlines and their safety records, now budget airline does cut corners on conveniences like leg room and free bags. but experts tell us they do not cut corners on safety.

safety for the budget airlines same requirements same rules as for the big major carriers. where the differences are, on the low-cost carriers their pilots may be paid a little bit less, sometimes their airplanes are a little bit older, but they have the same same requirements for safety as the big airlines. >> thanks for all of that christine. there are still more questions than answers in the crash of germanwings, the passenger jet. what causes a plane to descend 32,000 feet in an eight-minute span without a word from the pilot? and i know you think you know ted cruz but when you hear what he said that he's going to do now, after everything that this man has said about obamacare, you will not believe a position he has just taken. we'll tell you about it.

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distress call? hopefully clues will be revealed as investigators analyze the flight's voice recorder recovered from the crash site. here to talk us through the big questions are cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector david soucie. we know the voice recorder has been found. this is a flight recorder this is not the same thing. but they do have the voice recorder. it's been damaged, david. good news but bad news right? >> the good news is again the voice recorder we look to that to find out why it happened. the flight data recorder will tell us what happened and how. but the why part is always what's happening in the cockpit just before the accident. >> it's the sounds of the voices inside the come pit. >> communication what's going on. they're going to tell the story of what happens in that cockpit. >> they said it's damaged. but they're going to reconstruct it what does that entail? >> that's very concerning. understand that the box is usually damaged at every accident scene. there's some kind of damage do it it took a really heavy impact. they're designed for that.

that information is stored in ecron chips, chips that they store information, regardless of whether they have power or not, they store information. the fact is that this was damaged, the box was damaged, that's by design. hopefully the data inside wasn't damaged. >> the data recorder is still vital. that's something they want to get their hands on. let's talk about this. we know that this flight the accident occurred in the cruising altitude which is kind of rare. >> it is. >> why is that? >> during the cruise the reason it's rare is because you think about all the millions of different things that are going on in this airplane. all the time. so when it's taking off, you have a lot of really complex things going on. plus you're taking off power, you're pushing those engines as hard as they can go the wings are under stress everything is going on at this point and that's lot of activity. the activity dwindles off. when you're in climb, everything is stable. you stabilize climb. and the cruise is set, auto

pilot is on. this is the point at which the pilots might be able to get a cup of coffee or something like that during this time. typically nothing much happens during that time. it's events versus probability of occurrence. >> and landing, sometimes weather-related, otherwise, this is a another big cause of accidents. >> it is and another big factor that goes into this the auto pilot, at this point, the pilot has full control of the airplane. at this point it's mostly in the auto pilot mode. and landing, you're back in control, it's a human error has a lot to do with that. >> there's been a lot of questions about this the altitude dropoff. we know that at 10:31 the plane descended without authorization. at 10:35 air traffic control sent a warning. the plane disappeared from radar. we saw this steady dropoff of altitude. i'll let you draw it. >> this is steady. but it's fairly extreme.

this is about 3400 to 4,000 feet per minute. a normal descent as you're coming into land would be about there. okay so it's not like they were lining up to land at some airport and got distracted. that's not what happened. something took control of the aircraft something changed the direction. >> you speak of control. because there's a thought some people have wondered were the pilots incapacitated. were they not aware that the altitude was dropping so much? does this speak to them being in control or perhaps on auto pilot? >> no the necessarily. there's two or three things that could have caused this to happen without the pilot's input. one is that if the aircraft is trimmed to do this. as the aircraft is flying the fuel center of gravity changes in the airplane. as that happens, the fuel burns, this sort of thing, the aircraft tilts forward and aft. as it burns the fuel it adjusts to that you have trim indicator and trim controls that you can

trim the aircraft to make sure it's flying straight and level even without auto pilot. >> let's look at the debris field here. the plane essentially disintegrated. what does this tell you about speed, about ha happened? what does it indicate? >> extremely high-speed impact. but even at cruise speed, if this was at 500 knots or so and it hits straight, flat ground whether it's at a peak or whether it's in the ground this way, this is what you might find this is what happens in this type of accident is that when it hits the ground there's what we call splash back. i know this is hard for people to hear and please excuse that for me. but accident victims have told me in the past they like knowing what happened. when you hit the ground some of the aircraft starts coming back at it there's a splash-back effect. as that happens, other part of the aircraft is coming this way, you have huge collisions of debris that are both coming and going and hitting each other and collapsing. that's the bad news the good

news is there was no suffering in this accident. >> this is the best news. >> instantaneous. less than a second this all happened. it's amazing to think of that. but in less than a second. >> little comfort, but it is comfort for the families that are grieving. david soucie we're so glad you're here with us to walk us through this. chris? >> mick thank you very much. ted cruz is in the news he wants to kill obamacare and that's a huge understatement all right? but if he is elected president, he said that's what he's going to do. get rid of obamacare. so why did he just sign up for it and say there are good things about it?

you will be getting obamacare effectively? >> it is one of the good things about obamacare is that the statute provided that members of congress would be on the exchange without subsidies, just like millions of americans, so there wouldn't be a double standard. >> this is the point in the conversation where you hear the needle drag across the record. and you come to a full stop. the nice thing about obamacare?

ted cruz hates obamacare doesn't he? compared it to the nazis, what green eggs and ham was like is nothing compared to how bad this is. it needs a tsunami and he was going to bring it? what's going on here? let's bring in republican strategist tara setmeyer and senior adviser of the usa priorities pac, paul begala. tara what's going on with your guy ted cruz. who hates obamacare. >> ted cruz is not my guy. he's on our side of the fence. i accept him as a principled conservative. >> where's the principle now? >> because his wife has taken a leave of absence from her private-sector job which provided health care for the family. >> goldman sachs. >> now the family because of the law has to get health care.

so one of the options is because they put in senator grassley put it in the legislation that yeah congress should not have any exemptions they should have to follow the law just like everybody else. >> could he get it any other way? >> he could. he hasn't made the decision if he's going to do it or not. but because of obamacare, the barriers to private health insurance are so high and costly he may have to go onto the exchange. because it's the law. i think it's ironic that people are flipping out over this yes, because he doesn't like the law. >> he says it's illegal. he says it's unconstitutional. >> but as of right now, it's the law on the books, that's why it's in the courts. why are we arguing over someone who is a lawmaker following the law. >> because he didn't need to do it. it's not amazing at all. it's very obvious. >> he hasn't done it. >> they have not decided whether they're going to do it or not. >> he said he was going to do it. >> will not be taking the subsidy. either which i think is principled still. >> in fact after dana bash's

interview with him where she asked him about the subdy zi and he said i will follow the law and the staff said he will not be taking the subsidy provided to lawmakers. senator cruz says he doesn't like obamacare, but he will follow the law. >> in his famous 21-hour filibuster trying to kill obamacare, ted cruz read the book "green eggs and ham." i read it 1,000 times to my kids. at the end the guy tries green eggs and ham, and decides he likes them. i signed up for obamacare, not for political statement, just because it was a better deal for my family. i think if ted cruz follows through with this he might end up like the guy in green eggs and ham. he might like it. i'm glad it's available for him. >> not necessarily it's amazing

to me that people are sitting here and saying this is a bad thing that a lawmaker is going to follow the law. we don't like the irs law and tax law, we have to follow that. you don't get to pick and choose unless you're the president of the united states. >> ted cruz did make that point there are other health care options he could have gone to. cobra. >> that's temporary. >> the point is there were other options, for him to choose the one that's most odious to him. >> he's not chosen it yet. >> yesterday did did sound to dana bash that he was going to sign up for it. >> it's an option. the other thing about this is from a political standpoint. first of all, people the they only read six in ten americans only read headlines, how the headlines read is going to try 0 dictate the narrative. for him politically, if he does join obamacare, he can say as a real person i understand what a nightmare this is how difficult it's been how expensive it's

been. this has not exactly been roses, that's why there's been 49 changes, 30 unilaterally by the president, multiple delays senate democrats just sent a letter for another delay with the employer mandate. obamacare isn't all peaches and cream. just ask all the people who lost their health care because of obamacare, and all the people forced into part-time work but we're not here to discuss obamacare. >> i've never seen chris more quiet waiting for his turn. >> you are earning your keep this morning. i want you to know that. >> the truth about obamacare? love it. >> this man who is brilliant by anybody's estimation. those who taught him, those who work with him he has said without any qualification that this is the worst thing that's probably ever happened in american history, obamacare. he compares it to the worst things. for him to even consider and by the way, think you're going way too short on his commitment to

joining obamacare. if you watch the interview, he brought it up he said that's what he's going to do he said like millions of others. since when does he acknowledge that millions of people are on obamacare? i thought it was like six and the white house was lying about it. he said i'm going to follow the law, since when is this the law? it is illegal, it's unconstitutional. was it a mistake that he made yesterday? or is he just showing that he was a little too political when he was so against it and now he's going to back off a little bit. >> no i don't see it that way. is there irony in this? yes, because of the optics but again, the choice for him is you have to get health insurance because they put -- >> his wife is partner at goldman sachs, they can buy it on the private market i promise you. >> if they choose to do that they can do that. >> why didn't he bring it up first? >> i don't know i'm not his spokesman. >> he didn't say it's an option. he said like millions of others. >> if he decides to do that if that's the best interests of his family for now, and that's what

the law requires then that's on him and that's what a campaign is for. he will have to explain himself throughout that and good luck to ted cruz i think he'll be capable of getting behind that. >> he should hire you, immediately. >> paul begala we owe you one. we will give you some air time tomorrow next time we see you. i know you don't mind you're enjoying the view down there. >> i'm loving it. you're doing a wonderful job with an impossible mission, so good for you. >> not necessarily. >> tara paul great to see you guys thanks so much for coming in to talk about this. >> he hit it out of the park with this is how "green eggs and ham" ends he was done. this is one big story this morning, but a lot of news, so let's get to it. >> the horrible reality in the french alps. >> the passengers on board would have had no idea no clue what was coming. >> such a terrible and sudden loss. >> did israel spy on its allies' negotiations with iran? that's absurd and absurd notion

that congress would have to rely on any foreign government to gain insight into the nuclear negotiations with iran. >> i'm not sure what the information was. but i'm baffled by it. it's video the secret service did not want to share. >> this is bigger than the secret service. this is about the security of the most powerful person in the world. angelina jolie has undergone another major preventive surgery. >> it could be the most important thing that a woman ever does in her entire life. in order to preserve her life. this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone welcome back to your "new day." up first, search crews in the air at this hour investigators analyzing the cockpit voice recorder from the germanwings jetliner that went down in the french alps yesterday. they're trying to figure out what caused the plane to descend 32,000 feet in eight minutes before slamming into a

mountainside with no distress call from the cockpit. >> 150 souls on board, all presumed dead. recovery teams are in the air now, looking for victims and wreckage across hundreds of yards of very very rugged terrain. this disaster has impacted families from more than half a dozen nations. so cnn is out there covering it like only we can for the crash of flight 9525. we're going to start with senior international correspondent nic robertson, near the crash site in the french alps what's the latest? >> well chris, the latest is there's a criminal investigation team on sixt because there were deaths involved in this accident. there is an air accident investigation team on site as well. you can hear the helicopters coming in here as part of this recovery effort. flying over my head here. but what we're being told by the interior ministry just to recap that with the helicopter passing right overhead what we're being told by the interior ministry spokesman here is that the priority is to recover today

the bodies of the victims. this morning, thousands of feet up in the french alps recovery of the obliterated germanwings flight 9525 continues. the crash site a picture of horror, says germny's foreign millster. the wreckage strewn across 10 acres of terrain. 150 people on board presumed lost. a storm front pushing rain and possibly snow into the higher elevations today, may hinder the recovery effort. >> the mountain whether off creates clouds a very challenging situation for the rescuers. >> around 10:00 a.m. local time tuesday, the airbus 320 was on the ground in barcelona. its takeoff delayed by nearly 30 minutes. the company says it was air traffic control issues not the

plane itself that delayed departure. once in the air, around 10:45 a.m. headed towards dusseldorf germany, the plane reached a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. then suddenly flight 9525 descended rapidly for eight minutes, the pilots making no distress signal. >> there was a controlled descent. it doesn't appear it was a loss of control in flight. we don't know if there was problems with their equipment, with their radios. >> at 6,000 feet the germanwings flight lost contact with french radar, crashing into the side of this mountain. the flight's cockpit voice recorder has been recovered. but is damaged, according to the french interior ministry who are now reconstructing the elements. >> it's devastating, says the ceo of germanwings parent company. there are very small pieces of debris which lets you deduce the energy with which the plane hit

the ground. now some germanwings crew are reluctant to fly, horrified after this mysterious crash. the airline forced to cancel a small number of flights. here's the thing on the ground despite the effort and the focus and the priority being on the recovery of the victims, we've talked in the last couple of minutes here with the head of the coordination recovery effort and what he tells me this morning is that medical teams have to go in and record the location of all the bodies and then medical certificates have to be provided on site for the death of all the victims on board the aircraft. so this coordination chief we talked to a few minutes ago says he thinks it may be today that they actually not able to bring any bodies off the mountain. another helicopter flying over here. you get the sense the pace of operations is picking up. the reality on the ground they may not be able to bring any bodies off the mountain today.

chris? >> the urgency is obvious, nic and 0 obviously what they're all trying to do there is give dignity to the people who lost their lives, make sure everything is done the right way. we'll check back with you. there are details emerging overnight about the victims. 16 german high school students and two teachers returning from an exchange program are now feared gone. cnn's diana magne is in a small town in germany dealing with the tragedy. >> you can see some of the friends of the students gathered behind me paying their respects this morning's assembly the head master said was an incredibly painful emotional affair and there are psychologists here to look after those who are left. we've seen pictures that some of the students here have been drawing. where they've written flight 9525 why? why you? i hope that where you are now, you are happy, rest in peace. the head master of the school in a press conference just now said that a week ago he had sent 16

happy students away. and now there was this tragedy and that he had kept hoping right until the last minute that those students on board that plane that they weren't his students. but yes, this really is the epicenter of the tragedy here in germany, where 67 lives were lost in that crash. 16 of them students at this school and two teachers also. >> diana, thanks so much. the grief is immeasurable. thank you so much. cnn's karl penhaul is just outside barcelona, a country mourning their lost. karl parents imagining to send their kids off to have worldly experiences, only to have this happen. >> absolutely michaela. those kind of language and cultural exchange programs are so common in europe. and this at this school that is where the 16 german students had spent the last week making

new friends, bonding with host families. all that of course now over. but it isn't just about those students of course. on that flight a passenger list that really spans nations and spans generations as well. babies died we know that one of the babies was the child of a german opera singer who was returning to germany after a season singing at barcelona's opera house. and among the information that we already have, i've counted at least nine different nationality nationalities that were on board. we know in addition to the spaniards and the germans, we know that from at least three latin american countries, passengers were on board. we know japanese australians, and britons were also on board. some people of course would have been vacationers, because barcelona is a very cosmopolitan holiday tourist center and but it's also a commercial hub and so we know that some of the passengers on board the flight were probably spanish

businessmen heading to german trade fairs as well. so certainly many different countries, many different age groups now trying to come to grips with what happened. back to you, alisyn. >> it's all so sad, as you were speaking we were showing moments of silence happening right now in france and spain about all this. we want to bring in now, cnn aviation correspondent and host of "quest means business." richard quest and ntsb chairman deborah hersman. >> i know you've been looking at the data and you see the descent differently? >> it matters not in the great scheme of things but the descent is nearer to ten minutes, than to eight minutes and if you look at the rate of descent it's not this sort of very even 3,000 feet a minute. sometimes it goes into 1500 then it goes up to nearly 4,000, so i think perhaps what we're seeing is that the descent was more erratic than first thought.

it was slightly longer but it doesn't avoid the core issue, that we don't know what happened. this plane took off got to its cruise altitude stayed there for a couple of minutes. and then inexplicably began this ten-minute descent to the ground. >> deb, we've heard just unusual this is for a crash at mid flight. when you look at everything that's come out in the past 24 hours, what stands out to you? >> you know i think the thing that really stands out is that we've got experienced pilots we've got reliable aircraft and inexplicably we've got an aircraft that's descending towards mountainous terrain. that's not where anybody wants to be in aviation. in these early morning hours we're grasping at any kernel of information that's available. once the investigative team are able to provide specific details, we're going to have a lot better picture of what was going on in that cockpit and why

they weren't communicating when they were being held by air traffic control for so long. >> something else peculiar happened yesterday, germanwings, the airlines to which this happened had to cancel several flights because flight crews were not comfortable getting on board. >> no we don't know that. we don't know that. we don't know the reason why. some have portrayed this as they had safety concerns. but the way i read the statement last night from germanwings, it was they were not comfortable flying. or they were emotional. >> they were two emotional. >> there's a big difference. some are suggesting that they had worries about the airline and the planes the other is i don't really feel like flying today, i've just lost a colleague, i've just lost a friend. >> great point of clarification. but even that other flight crews being too emotional. aren't flight crews trained to

get past those things? >> not on that germanwings is part of lufthansa. but it's a very close-knit part of lufthansa. it's the budget airline, point-to-point division of it. i was not as unless you have a mass sort of we don't think it's safe and there's no evidence of that. none. zero. before anybody goes off to the races with that. >> i'm glad you're making that point. we have a statement from the pilots union that says just what you're saying, let me read it it has nothing to do with safety. the pilots have friends and colleagues who have died that is such a heavy emotional burden. that it is better not to get into the cockpit. do you see it the same way, deb? >> absolutely. you always want crews to be at their best when they are in the cockpit responsible for other passengers. if for any reason they need to mark off or not fly, whether they are fatigued whether they are grieving it is in the best interests of every single passenger who is flying on that airline for that company to have a policy that allows them to do

so. >> investigators have not ruled out terrorism. they say this morning, though the french minister says it is very likely it is not terrorism. can they assess that this early in the investigation? >> i think they probably can. but the and deborah has much more experience of having to weigh those decisions. but if the inexplicable nature of what happened that leads you to say, in this case normally i'm the first one to take something off the table, but i'm also now saying leave everything on the table. >> deb, do you agree, are they leaving everything on the table at this point? and should they? >> you know i would say that it's traditional in investigations to really assume that something is an accident until it is determined that there was criminal intent or that you have evidence that shows otherwise. and so the general response is

to consider it an accident. but i do think they're going to have to look very closely at exactly what happened. any sign that there was something amiss or that there was some criminal activity you can bet they will turn it into an investigation that's fully focused on that. >> they have found the cockpit voice recorder but it's damaged. how quickly might they be able to get usable information off of that? >> so it's no surprise to hear that the cockpit voice recorder is damaged. because of the type of crash that occurred and the damage that occurred to the rest of the aircraft you probably expect that outside housing or the casing that holds the recorder to be damaged. what's most critical is that the information that's inside the data is protected. these are crash-worthy fireproof boxes that are designed to withstand the forces and so it will be important for them to pull that information off, if it's usable and they should be able to do that. within hours, if the data and

the solid state recorder is not damaged. >> that's interesting. it would be so helpful to have answers within hours. richard quest, deb hersman, thank you so much for coming on. president obama is not commenting on the "wall street journal" report that israel spied on the iran nuclear talks. there does seem to be more white house reaction however, to what israel may have done with that information. lobbying congress in an effort to destroy the deal. one thing that's for sure -- those nuclear talks with iran are still going on right now. and coming down to the wire. the deadline to reach a framework for an agreement just a week away. former democratic congressman jesse jackson junior will be released from prison tomorrow will serve the final months of his sentence in a d.c. halfway house. that according to a former house colleague. you'll recall last year jackson pleaded guilty to using campaign money to go on a $750,000 spending spree. jackson's wife also pleaded guilty to filing false tax returns over six years. she is expected to begin a one-year sentence in prison a

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welcome back everybody, let's get you right now to "inside politics" on "new day" with john king. good morning, john. >> alisyn good morning to you, chris and michaela as well. a busy day in politics, with me to share reporting and insight, julia pace of the "associated press," ron fournier of the "national journal," here's a sentence i thought i would never speak. ted cruz is joining obama administration obamacare. he's the conservative texas senator, just announced his presidential campaign. his wife to her credit, is taking a leave from her job to

help him in his campaign. she's giving up her health insurance. the big government shutdown two years ago was over trying to defund obamacare. here he tells cnn's dana bash i'm about to sign up. >> we'll be getting new health insurance, we'll presumably do it through my job in the senate. we'll be on the federal exchange like millions of others on the federal exchange. >> you will be getting obamacare effectively? >> it's one of the good things about obamacare is that the statute provided that members of congress would be on the exchanges without subsidies, just like millions of americans. >> i'm almost speechless. i'm almost speechless because he said one of the good things. by his view look i'm going to defend him for a minute. like i said to her credit, his wife wants to commit to the campaign that she's giving up her job. he's got two young kids of course he needs health insurance, he's signing up and saying there's a good thing in

here. it's t-ball if you want to beat him up. guy says repeal obamacare, now going to join obamacare, you have the floor. >> you're right, sit the right thing for her to, do it's a wonderful thing for her to do he's got to take care of his family. they could do cobra through her former employer. they could not have insurance, do it privately. he could pay the tax or the penalty. but he's decided to take obamacare, which is you know rich in irony one of his supporters told me it's better than nothing. and i said well that's the point. obamacare is better than nothing. i think it's great. we should have as many people as possible sign up for obamacare and really judge, is this better than nothing or not. what could be done it make it better. instead of demagoguing and saying everything is wrong with it, it's lawless, it's good to have him on board to say, okay, is this better for my family or not. >> he's for repeal effective after the election. >> it is striking to hear him say, one of the good things

about obamacare, because he has been one of the sharpest critics in basically saying there is nothing good about it. often you have critics who point out provisions that cover people with preexisting conditions or cover kids while they're under 26 and a lot of them can stay on their parents' insurance. he's been all repeal. there's nothing good about this law. i'm curious to see whether he walks this balk does find another option. because i think that it will be difficult for him to continue to maintain this full repeal argument on the campaign trail while he is -- is for obamacare. >> apparently he's doing this to follow the law, well that's bs can i say that on the air? >> you just did. >> because there's other things can he do. he doesn't have to sign up through obamacare. >> i don't know if he could get cobra, because she's technically on leave, not unemployed. we'll see how it plays out. >> it's not like obamacare took away options for him. he would be facing the same choice without it now he's able to go through the exchange and negotiate for a price that's best for his family.

>> it will be interesting. to see if he explains why, if he walks it back or see if the explanation plays out. another thing we couldn't get to yesterday hillary clinton the other night in washington, d.c. gave two big events, one during the day, she talked about her economic agenda. the other night, a press dinner in honor of a great political reporter of the "new york times," who had the gift of figuring out the politics of policy. we lost this reporter a few years ago, there's a foundation in her name and hillary clinton gave the keynote speech at the dinner and said i know i have rough relations with the press, maybe we should start anew. >> my relationship with the press has been at times -- shall we say, complicated. and when peter asked if i wanted to spend an evening with a room full of political reporters i

thought to myself -- what could possibly go wrong? a new grandchild another new hair style. a new email account. why not a new relationship with the press? >> here's the question is it genuine? or is it forced? >> yes. of course she wants a better relationship with the press she wants to be president, it would help if the press validated her message or at least didn't discredit it. which is what we've been doing lately because of her actions, as you know i've covered her for a long time. her coverage has expanded has gone from the range of fawning to viciously unfair and cruel. and the problem is she takes the fawning coverage for granted. and internalizes the negative coverage. and it is created this culture around her, of mendacity and

disingenuousness and the ends justify the means. attacking the media. if she wants to have a better relationship with the press, she's going to have to -- >> take risks. >> take risks. >> she has evolved in so many ways. i met you when were you in arkansas as the a.p. state house reporter, covering the clintons back then. she was the first lady of arkansas. she had a tough ride in the arkansas press over her maiden name. then she was the first lady, secretary of state she has evolved several times as our business has. she doesn't like on the right she's viewed as polarizing viewed as horrible. >> you were there for the tea and cookies thing. >> yes. i was in the room for the "60 minutes" interview. i had an interview the same day, super bowl sunday. which he she did the not just the tammy winynette standing by my

man. she's charming and engaging she's a great conversationalist and she is the midwestern funny. and she became paranoid after whitewater, ken starr. >> and if you talk to her as people did though ho covered her when she was secretary of state. they tell a different story. she was steeped in policy. she was friendly, she was warm. if you talk to her people who are starting to sign up for her in this campaign that's going to announce in the next couple of weeks. they're saying all the right things in dealing with the press. the question is going to be what the message from the top is going to be. is she going to be comfortable with her campaign putting out a little more detail. putting her out enter more publicly? are they going to revert back to the old style from 2008. things have changed so much. we saw with the email controversy, how quickly something can really spiral. >> she quickly needs an intervention of spokesman who understand the media, that can explain to her, they're not your enemy. they're not your friend. if you want to get the benefit

of the doubt from the media you've got to be honest accessible. flood them with access and with initiatives and as you say, take some risks. you -- >> trust yourself. >> yes, she has to get that. >> she's the ceo of the campaign now, she's the boss she has to listen to that advice. if she's going to do this it has to come from her. alisyn, think email controversy when you think about this from david letterman and talking about secretary clinton. >> the president obama and hillary clinton had lunch, they had lunch. and of course hillary had a private server. >> got to laugh. >> i get it. >> that will test her new relationship with the press, can she laugh at the jokes? >> she's making it a little bit her own. she should be able to laugh at that one. john thanks so much. well oscar winner and megastar angelina jolie once again sparking a women's health

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it could be the most important thing that a woman ever does in her entire life in order to preserve her life. >> that was angelina jolie-pitt's breast cancer surgeon dr. christy funk discussing the revelation that angelina jolie removed her ovaries and fallopian tube because she carry as mutation of the brcaa-1 gene. her decision really sparking an important conversation about women's health and some of the very difficult decisions. want to turn to dr. yasmine, a former cdc disease detective, now a staff writer for the dallas morning news and dr. cohen. such an important conversation. dr. yasmine, we should talk off the bat, talk about how common this brca gene is and even the

cancers that angelina jolie can trying to avoid. >> we no that breast cancer mutation gene is actually quite rare michaela. about 2% 3 to 4% of women will carry the kind of mutation that angelina jolie has that increases their risk many many times compared to general population. >> i think it's so interesting, what one writer has called this angelina jolie effect elizabeth. that it is seemingly has launched. we have a graphic here that sort of highlights what has happened since angelina jolie made her announcement in 2013. the number of people that have gone in to get the brca gene testing done in america was about 350 per week. after her announcement in 2013 up 40% to 500 women per week. so interesting to see the effect that this is having.

>> right, it's very similar to actually years ago when katie couric got a colonoscopy, the doctors i talked to top experts in cancer and genetics they're glad to see that more women are aware and getting testing. they say look only get the testing if you have a family history of breast and owevarian cancer. i don't have that history, i haven't been tested. you only want to get tested if you have the family history. >> dr. yasmine, you're going to be concerned that there's going to be a rush to overtreatment. we often see the knee-jerk reaction. it's one based in fear so we have to give a liberal dose of facts. >> over-diagnosis is really important it talk about, it can lead to over-treatment. it's great that we have screening tests about things like cancer you want to be careful you're not diagnosing things early on that wouldn't cause symptoms, pain or death and you run the risk of putting women through surgery and

treatment they may not need and may be harmful to them. >> we look at the surgeries that angelina jolie has had, her breasts removed, her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed. you've written an op-ed, elizabeth about it. >> the experts said she was right on the mark. that this was not an extreme thing to do. it was a right thing to do. she has an incredibly high risk of getting breast cancer. so if we look at it this way, michaela. any woman without these terrible mutations has about a 12% chance of getting breast cancer in their lifetime. she has an 87% chance of getting breast cancer. so removing your breasts, and removing your ovaries, they say are a really good thing to do. now it's interesting, the doctors said look you don't have to remove your breasts, can you do mris frequently, that's an alternative. but the removal of the ovaries is extremely important and should be done as soon as you're

having children. if you're at a high risk like angelina jolie is as a matter of fact they wanted me to get the word out, they felt like she waited too long. >> interesting. >> she waited too long. she was concerned about going into menopause, because that's what happens when you remove your ovaries. as long as she was done having children she should have done it very very quickly and not waited several years. >> i want to get to the point that elizabeth brought up dr. yasmine. i think this idea of putting a 39-year-old into menopause strikes fear in the bodies of most women. we know it's coming cath avoid it. but this is a different kind of menopause, correct? explain that to us. >> it is a different kind of menopause michaela. it's very abrupt. think about it happening to a woman in her 40s maybe 50s, it happens over time. women have the symptoms they gradually become worse and they go into menopause this is removing the ovaries, the organs that produce the hormones and overnight women will develop symptoms of menopause, it will happen a lot quicker. >> i'm curious how you think

this is going to change the dialogue, elizabeth, the final thoughts as we move forward with the revelation that she's made, a bold decision a challenging decision at 39 she has many children, she has a partner. the testing was expensive, she is a woman of great means, do you think this will change the dynamic and dialogue for us in america? >> i think it will change the dialogue. i want to be clear, yes she's very wealthy and has access to all sorts of things. but this genetic counseling and the testing, the prices are coming down all the time insurance does typically cover it if you have a family history. so many of us do have access to the kinds of services that she got. now what we don't always have access to is you know angelina jolie can pick up the phone and call anyone and get an opinion and talk to them. so we can't all do that. but we can follow her model. think things through. be an empowered patient. talk to as many people as you can. think through your decision. and do it at what i liked about her op-ed piece, it showed that she wasn't emotional about how

she directed this. very pragmatic, thought it through and got good people on her side to help her think it through. >> we have good people on our side to help us our excellent medical team here at cnn, dr. yasmine and elizabeth cohen, thanks so much. we'll take a quick break. we have breaking news on flight 9525. they just released more information about the victims on board. and there were americans. stay with us. when account lead craig wilson books at iaquinta.com. he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can settle in and practice his big pitch. and when craig gets his pitch down pat, do you know what he becomes?

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flight 9525. let's get right to fred pleitgen. they just had a press conference. many victims from germany. what else did we learn, fred? >> reporter: hi chris. we certainly learned a lot more about the nationalities, about the breakdown of the nationalities of those who were killed. this comes from the ceo of germanwings, thomas winkelman. he said there were actually americans also on board this flight two americans perished on this flight. the breakdown is 72 germans, 35 from spain, one each from great britain, the netherlands colombia mexico denmark, japan, belgium and israel as well as two ace stralians, two from argentina, iran venezuela and two americans as well. this is information we're just getting right now from the ceo of germanwings. of course very sad news that's coming out there from the

headquarters of germanwings in cologne, germany. >> the obvious reaction is what an amount of diversity was on that plane, 15 different countries involved and new information there about that including americans. >> reporter: yeah. >> that information only as good as it is to the families of those 150 souls on board. what is the latest on any chances at recovery? >> reporter: well certainly at this point it still is very difficult. we've been hearing that the terrain in that area is one that's very difficult. it's hard to get to. the process of that recovery is taking quite a while. the weather conditions of course, are a big factor as well. it's something where germanwings is simply saying this is going to take a bit of time. nevertheless they say they are out there in force, there is an operation going on. they want to do this as fast as possible. also for the sake of the family members of the victims. chris, you know now i am standing in the town of haltern

that was badly hit where 16 high school students were killed as well as two teachers. the people saying they want this recovery effort to happen as quickly as possible. they want to know that the bodies of their loved ones will be taken away from the mountain side as fast as possible chris. >> fred of course in haltern where you are, these high school kids over a dozen of them and two teachers lost. it's a small town. it's a huge hit for them. i know it's very emotional there for you. thank you for giving us the information that there were two americans on board. who they were we're going to have to wait to find out. fred thank you very much. 15 different countries involved. >> right. barcelona to dusseldorf. >> around the world. >> we know the breaking news two americans on board and we will find out what we can about their ages identities where they were from. stay tuned to "new day." we do have continuing coverage of the recovery effort for flight 9525. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day.

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150 passengers and crew killed in that doomed germanwings flight that crashed mid flight yesterday into a mountain side. 15 different countries involved. >> incredible. search teams in helicopters are back in the air. one of the plane's black boxes has been found. investigators hope that that can help determine what brought this plane down. we start our coverage with cnn's aaron mclaughlin. she is close to the crash site in france. what have we learned this hour erin? >> reporter: hi allyson. that's right. just a short while ago the ceo of germanwings held a press conference. in that press conference he confirmed that two american citizens were on board that doomed flight. we are still working to get more information about their identities. we now know that some 15 nationalities in total constituted the 150 people that were on board the plane.

nationalities such as australians, colombians germans, spanish, even turkey. we do expect this hour the leaders of france, germany, and spain to arrive here in this area to pay their respects. they're expected to meet with emergency workers in a show of appreciation as well. meanwhile, the recovery effort this morning well underway. the field behind me as you can see, a hive of activity. all morning helicopters have been landing and taking off for the crash site. helicopters full of rescue workers, forensic experts as well as mountaineering experts. we understand according to officials that some have managed to reach the crash site which is located in an extremely remote area very hard to reach, rough terrain. we understand from local officials that the crash site is

grim and horrifying. the wreckage strewn across a whole wide area including human remains. and the priority of these officials right now is to begin the grizzly process of identifying and repat try eighting the victims as well as figuring out what caused this crash. alisyn? >> erin, we can see what an active staging area that is where you are. thanks for all the information. so one by one, names and identities emerging of the victims of this crash. among them 16 german high school students and two teachers returning from an exchange program near barcelona. cnn's frederick pleitgen is near the school in germany where fellow students are trying to cope with the news. fred. >> reporter: yeah alisyn. as we're getting the breakdown of the nationalities, it's getting clearer what nationalities were on the plane. this is one of the towns most

hard hit by the disaster. 16 high school students from haltern in western germany were there as well. just a few minutes ago i was able to speak to one young lady that was very close to a lot of students on the plane. i want to listen in to what she told me. >> i knew all of them. they were all in my grade and we were very close. we already planned things for the future what we were going to do when they returned from their trip so -- and it's very hard to believe that we cannot do that. >> so, alisyn as you can see, these were young people who were making plans, very excited about their future. that's one of the reasons why this town why this whole community is so devastated. i was able to speak to that young lady's mother. she said right now she's, of course very much in a state of shock. she said she breaks down into tears every time she thinks about what happened. she said at this point in time she sees it as her mission to try and speak to the parents of

the children who perished and try to comfort them these very difficult moments, guys. >> fred, i would imagine that grief and shock replicated in 15 nations around the globe. 15 nations with people who perished. two that came from the u.s. and dozens of the victims believed to have come from spain where the flight actually originated. karl penhaul has that part of the story. karl. >> reporter: hi, michaela. we've been in the spanish town where the german students had come. for the last week they've been forging friendships with young spaniards here spaniards who had spent time with german host families just about three weeks ago, but in addition of course to the germans that have died the other nationalities, don't forget the spaniards, of course according to the latest information from germanwings, 35 spaniards on board. 15 nagstionalities were among the

victims of this flight, that really speaks to the cosmopolitan nature of barcelona. it is a commercial hub so we understand that some of the people on board that flight were spanish business men heading to german trade fairs. we know there were a couple of opera singers on there. germans. one from kazakhstan. but it's a city that's also a tourist hub as well. a lot of people come here for vacations, northern european retirees coming down here for a bit of winter sun. the younger crowd that maybe coming in for a weekend break to enjoy the real sights, some of the architecture some of the clubs, some of the cuisine of barcelona. that is why we're seeing 15 different nationalities represented here, different age groups as well really converting it into a tragedy that is trans skending nations, that is trans skending generations. back to you, chris. >> karl tremendous diversity

that all wound up sharing this same faith. let's bring in jen psaki. >> good morning, chris. >> let's talk about people before we talk about politics this morning. the news of two americans on board flight 9525. are you aware of this before the press conference? are you been able to reach out to those families? >> well chris, here at the state department we're very careful about what we confirm out of sensitivity to the families and obviously their privacy, and clearly our hearts go out to the families of the victims, whether they're american or whether they're from any country. but certainly as soon as we heard the news of the crash, we go through a process that we've unfortunately had to go through recently to look at the manifest track what the background is and of course go through the family notification process. but that is still ongoing on an official basis. >> were you able to find out before this press conference? were you able to get ahead of the situation for the family's sake? >> well chris, we have a process that we go through

internally here and i'm just being very careful out of respect for the family about where we are in that process. >> okay. >> but we certainly start working on it as soon as we hear tragic news as we did yesterday morning. >> that obviously am' asking out of respect as well because as we have learned in incidents like these in the past, the families will need your help. >> absolutely. >> very specifically something that happened all too far away. that's why i'm asking. >> you're absolutely right. in situations like this or any tragic situation around the world, that's what the state department is here for. we will certainly be in touch with any families of any victims of american citizens. >> so then we shift to the other news of the day. the israeli spy situation. i want to ask you about another question similar in form. when did you know that israel was spying on the iran talks? >> well chris, i don't confirm the policies of the united states as it relates to intelligence and i certainly don't confirm the policies of

other countries. this is a case where we've been briefing the israelis consistently throughout the process. we've been doing that on a regular basis after pretty much every round of negotiations. that has continued. we've also been briefing congress and really the heart of the story that came out yesterday was the notion that congress would need information from a foreign government. that's just not the case. we've provided more briefings to congress on this issue, more detailed briefings than perhaps any other issue we've worked on in at least my time here. >> well, they felt closed out, right? that's the perception we hear. while i understand your point in wanting to say we haven't been closed off, do you believe that iran was spying on the -- that israel was spying on the iran talks? >> again, chris, i'm not going to speak to the policies of another country. our focus right now is on the final weeks, the final days even of these negotiations. if we can reach a deal that cuts off the four pathways that

prevents iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, we'll continue to consult the israelis. we've talked a little bit in the past before about our concerns about private information becoming public because it puts the talks at risk. that's something we've taken into account in how we've been briefing various parties. >> there is something that can't just be dismissed of the pro forma of process and the urgency of the talks. the secretary himself has been outspoken about his frustration of the role of israel being disruptive here and the question i have is are you more upset about the means, you know the spying or is it that it was used to go to congress and frustrate the efforts? what's the big concern? >> well chris, there's a great deal of information we've been providing to israel about the negotiations and we've continued to update them on the status after each round of negotiations. the same with congress. i think our issue here is we have some disagreements about how we should get to the point what the process should be for preventing iran from acquiring a

nuclear weapon. we believe the best way is to do it through negotiations through cutting off the four pathways to get to our p5 plus 1 partners. israel has some disagreements with us. but ultimately our question is well what's the alternative because going back to the status quo before the joint plan of action is certainly not appealing. it would mean that they would be moving forward on taking steps to developing and acquiring a nuclear weapon. >> right. >> that certainly is not what anybody wants. >> the simple situation is where you set the bar, i think, jen. for them they say you're going to cut a deal with iran that will allow them to get a nuclear weapon it's just a question of when and that is unacceptable from the israeli perspective because they have an existential threat on their hands. >> chris, any deal will be judged by the content and there will be a full fulsome debate

and hopefully that will be something we will be engaged in if there is a deal. the fact is, without these negotiations iran was moving towards a nuclear weapon. their breakout time is a few months. we're working at the breakout time towards a year breaking off the pathways towards increased transparency. we're not seeing solutions being offered. we're trying to bring greater security not just to the united states but to israel and the entire global community. >> it is not a situation of if only when isn't that fair criticism? >> well no, it's not. the fact is a breakout time is certainly different from when they would have a bomb and what we were doing is we would be extending the time to give us and the international community time to track. also by being able to have verification measures increased transparency measures we know exactly what they're doing. that's not something we knew,

had real insight into. >> may know in terms of inspections and how open they are with that. that's an unknown. one point of testing here breakout time. is that a fancy phrase for when deal ends? >> not when the deal ends chris, it's when they have the materials necessary but, again that doesn't mean that they would be at a point where they would be able to use a weapon. so there's a difference here and what we're doing here is extending the period of time giving us more time giving the international community more time to track and watch what they're doing. and up to this point we've had a lot shorter time. most outside analysts will tell you that that is plenty of time for the international community to have. >> we do understand on the subject of time you only have about a week to get a framework -- >> we do. >> -- in place. the administration has been very clear that any deal is iffy at this point. we will continue to stand by. thank you. >> it's a key week.

thank you, chris. >> mich. chris, interesting turn of events. staunch opponent of obamacare signing up for the law he's voting to repeal. ted cruz calling the move anything but ironic saying he's simply following the law. cnn's chief congressional correspondent dana bash sat down one on one with the senator to hear what he had to say. i'm so curious, dana. >> michaela he has been able to be politically pure ideologically pure on this issue because for years he and his family have gotten their health insurance through his wife's job, which was goldman sachs. i say was because she took a leave of absence on monday so when we sat down i wanted to know a simple question how now are he and his family getting their health care. this was his answer. >> so she's taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job. we're transitioning. we'll be getting new health insurance. we'll presumably do it through my job in the senate. we'll be on the federal exchange

like millions of others on the federal exchange. >> you will be getting obamacare? >> it is one of the good things about obamacare is that the statute provided that members of congress would be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of americans so there wouldn't being a double standard. >> so threw see that he is saying that he is in all likelihood going to take obamacare. afterwards i should say that his campaign aide said, well he's not fully decided. he might actually go ahead and do something else. he does have other options, options like cobra. when people leave their jobs like his wife heidi has done temporarily, you can extend your private health insurance. you could go outside the exchange system and get it privately, although again, his campaign argues that that is incredibly expensive and they argue that the individual market is just not the same because of obamacare. but the bottom line is when you look at the optics of this any

republican will admit it's not so great for him and that's why i think, guys that he is kind of trying to figure out how to mince this and parse this. >> how to get as far away from what he said to you as possible. i hope your face heels from the jaw drop answer. >> i was a little bit surprised. >> i bet you were. >> great interview, dana. thanks so much for sharing it. another rough day before congress for secret service director joe clancy. lawmakers got testy claiming that he's keeping the public in the dark about the latest scandal. surveillance video of the troubling incident was finally provided but not by the secret service. cnn investigative correspondent has more. what do we know, chris? >> reporter: hey, alisyn. for the first time we're seeing what was kept behind closed doors. it has the secret service on the ropes again. the first images from a washington police video show how two secret service agents rolled

through an active bomb investigation at the white house gates. watch as the car slowly drives in and bumps a barricade at the scene. it's video the secret service did not want to share. >> why would you not turn over all video footage to this committee? >> reporter: and on tuesday lawmakers grilled director joe clancy on why he would not turn over his agency's video to congress. >> will you make a copy of it available so we can retain custody as opposed to simply showing it to us? >> i will not release a copy of this video at this point. >> reporter: lawmakers criticize the new director for not knowing about the incident until five days after it happened and then only after hearing about an anonymous e-mail circulating around the agency. the top democrat on the committee read the e-mail aloud. it said the agents drove through crime scene tape after returning

from a retirement party. >> duty officers said they were both extremely intoxicated. ud officers were going to arrest both of them but the ud watch commander said not to. what really bothers me is it appears we have an agency at war against itself. >> reporter: clancy promised lawmakers he'll take action. >> i am resolved to holding people account annualable for their actions but i want to make clear i do not have the ability to simply terminate employees based solely on allegations of misconduct. >> reporter: frustrated lawmakers plan to hold clancy accountable. their next step bring in the agents involved foreclosed door interviews and ask them what happened that night at the white house. >> chris, thank you very much for the coverage. appreciate it. we have breaking news out of yemen. righters reporting unidentified war planes are firing missiles in the district where the president's compound is located in the city of aiden this morning. forces loyal to the president have been holding off an advance

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we have breaking news right now. we have learned that two americans were among the 150 victims on flight 9525. investigators are looking for any clues as to what cause the the germanwings plane to crash. let's turn to david soucie and former faa safety inspector and richard quest, cnn aviation correspondent and host of "quest means business." nice to see both of you. two americans were on board. richard, is it unusual for it to take 24 hours for that to be released? >> not unusual. you have to remember what lufft tan is a, germanwings, one and the same, you have loads of nationalities on board. >> we have 15. >> right. they want to make absolutely certain that they get it right, that they know exactly nationalities, families are informed. it's not -- this isn't just

bureaucracy, this is ensuring you give the right people the right information. >> we don't yet know the ages of these victims or where they lived, if they lived in the states so hopefully we'll be getting that information, soon. david, you've been looking at this for the past 24 hours. what's your latest thinking as to what went wrong? >> you know it's still perplexing to me. there are no answers. we have the cockpit voice recorder. the flight data recorder tells us what not why. right now at this point i'm thinking that something happened on board the aircraft that incapacitated the pilots either them or their ability to communicate at that point and then it continued down in an automated fashion. >> that's the only thing that makes sense, that they were incapacitated. otherwise, for eight minutes why wouldn't they communicate with the ground? >> absolutely. you can throw in what i always call the nef fair yous option. >> should we throw in the nefarious option? >> i think on this occasion you have to leave everything on the table. i think it's very risky.

i'm normally the first person sitting at this table saying to you all get rid of the hijacking theory terrorism, all of that. on this occasion you have to say simply because what took place is so out of the ordinary. a plane gets to its cruising altitude stays there for three minutes and starts an inexorable descent and flies into the ground. these things do not happen in the world of aviation normally. >> i'm ruling out the nefarious, and the reason why is there are so many ways for them to communicate, the pilots to communicate the fact that there is. those are things we can't say on air. those are things they can do and none of those things were done. there are four different ways in which we could know if this happened. none of those happened that we know of yet. >> david you say one critical factor is that the flight maintained a 26 degree flight path. why is that significant? what did it mean? >> it didn't try to change path. when they found out something happened typically what happens is you make a decision.

is there a place to land. you have alternative airports places to go. there were airports within 32 miles of this aircraft when it first started to descend yet it flew for 132 miles. why did they not choose that. that's why it's significant. they didn't change the course at all. >> also related to that the control surfaces. did something go wrong with the elevators, anything like that? well if it doesn't happen the plane would have drifted. it could have gone off course. this thing maintained its course. it was under -- i say under control, but it appears to have been. >> and typically when that happens, if you lose engine power you don't want to turn because you lose a lot of energy. you want to keep going straight keep finding what's ahead of you to land. that could have explained. when engines go out it has a smart trans ponder that codes 700. that -- 7700.

that didn't happen either. >> there was some confusion about the time line of events. that confusion persists today. there are two different versions what happened. according to the french national police at 10:35 the controllers in the tower sent out an emergency warning and they believe that the plane crashed about 10:37 yet the airline, germanwings says at 10:45, so later they believe that's when the plane was at its cruising altitude. they believe they lost contact with the plane at 10:53. in other words, a 16-minute discrepancy. >> the crisis. absolutely nothing more than somebody putting out a statement from germanwings that didn't have all the data that was necessary at that particular moment. i think so. >> well, that's part of that but part of being prepared for an accident involves this preparedness and communications between them. this is indicative of someone who's knot preparednot prepared for

a crisis. this needs to be done nationally and not just at the local authorities. >> i'm going to take issue with you on that. >> imagine that. >> quick point. >> quick point. i mean the airline has to be ready for this. this is an airline issue. somebody put out some information that was erroneous. this thing happened at 10:30. the plane went down over a 9, 9:30 minute period to 10:40. >> thank you so much for your expertise. for more information on the crash and for ways to help those impacted by air disasters go to cnn.com/impact. the long strange saga of amanda knox may be over as soon as today. the italian supreme court has her fate in its hands. will italy ask for her back if her conviction is confirmed? what would the u.s. do? we'll explain the possibilities ahead.

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breaking news for you. we have learned more about the victims aboard the doomed flight 9525. we now know two americans were on board. let's get to fred plight again where a majority of the victims were from. fred. >> reporter: of course michaela. that's the big breaking news. there were the two americans on board. they're saying the majority on board were germans which shouldn't come as any surprise. 72 germans on board. they say 35 spaniards on board. the spanish rescue authorities say 49 spaniards are on board. there is a bit of a discrepancy. back to germanwings they said there was one from great britain, netherlands, colombia,

mexico denmark, japan, belgium, israel two each from australia are argentina. we're starting to piece together where those people were from. we're seeing it's not only people from all over europe but, indeed people from all over the world. chris. >> fred thanks for staying on it. we'll check back with you. now it's time for this week's human factor. nascar driver brian vickers is working to overcome health battles because he wants to stay on the track. dr. sanjay gupta has more. >> reporter: nascar driver brian vickers faced a red flag in 2010 over his health. he was diagnosed with deep vain thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. he was diagnosed with a hole in his heart. >> i was having some pains in my chest, like trouble breathing. i largely ignored those signs and symptoms. you just think you're invincible. it almost cost me my life. >> reporter: vickers was treated and went back to racing only to

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expected to hand down a final ruling today in the case against amanda knox. if her murder conviction is upheld italy could ask for her back. what happens then? let's bring in retired supervisory agent steve moore. nina burley is national correspondent from newsweek and author of "the fatal gift of beauty." so many different pieces and parts. chris is here. we have to talk about the lethality, do we not? >> yeah. it is a legal situation. steve, you've been following the case very carefully. confirmation by the highest court of this now conviction two times over would be very usual, right? it's unusual for at this stage there to be a departure of the most recent decision. so what do you think happens today? >> well unfortunately i'm afraid what they're going to do is just go ahead and convict her again. the fix is in. the juror has already said from the last case that she was

pretty much told beforehand what the verdict was going to be. so i'd fall off my chair if they didn't convict her. but right now they need -- amanda actually needs a conviction from this court to go ahead and go to the european high court of human rights and get this thing thrown out. >> nina, i'm really curious what you think this is about. is it more about the evidence or is it more about a case of serious national pride? >> i would say a case of the manual guess straight's pride. the judiciary system in italy is protecting itself as prosecutors and judges tend to do when they make mistakes in any country, but it's definitely what's happening here. >> cover up to that point or more just -- >> well i -- you know italy has laws that affect journalists who criticize judges and there have been lawsuits filed against the family there have been lawsuits filed against journalists and that's why

people don't -- journalists would not use words like cover up but certainly there was bias there was -- there was national bias there's legal bias here there's gender bias going on. and, yes, there are problems with the police work as well. absolutely. >> but the problem is you know both steve and nina will disagree with this supposition, but there was also a lot of proof that was pointing right at amanda knox and her boyfriend from the beginning and neither of them helped their cause with anything that they did. at the end of the day every legal system even italy's, yes, which is certainly flawed compared to the u.s. system is about people. steve, i know you're shaking your head. i know you don't like that supposition, but the way they acted, the story they told definitely had holes in it that led to suspicion that led them down this road with prosecutors. everybody's shaking their head but, steve, is that fair criticism or not? >> no, i don't think it's fair criticism. i don't think it's educated criticism. if you look directly at this

case and every detail you will understand what i did. i went to try and prove amanda guilty and what i got out of this is there's no way she's guilty. you can say -- not you but the courts can say anything they want about amanda and if everything they said is true then yes, she's guilty but nothing they've said about her is true. so based on what you've heard from the italians yes, i understand your statement, but what they're saying is a lie. by the way, i'm not a journalist. i'll use the word cover up. >> nina you agree with steve? >> absolutely 100% chris. >> you know the critics basic is large. >> i watched the trial. we went through -- with a team we went through all of the documents. we looked at the interviews with witnesses before the arrest after the arrest the way that things changed after the arrest. look it was a pagan scapegoating ritual. that's what it looked like to me. like steve, i went over there thinking i was going to write a

book about an american girl who looked like a j. crew model who turned into charlie manson. after a month looking into it all of those things you were talking about, the so-called evidence is not in the record. the bleached -- the googling the bleach the students standing outside the door with a mop and a bucket none of that is in the record. the prosecutor who i interviewed repeatedly wouldn't even confirm it okay? so these things all of this circumstantial evidence has to do with this strange girl being seen on the scene the day of the murder. first person on the scene. that's who the police looked at. >> how she was seen this story, the actions became very much about her. >> it's all bias. >> to steve's point, criticism or not, certainly not uneducated. i followed that case. i covered that case. i would argue i put amanda to the test over information the way nobody else has and interestingly we did ask her about what she would do in this. she is facing the biggest fear of her life because if she gets

pushed here steve's right, she could go to the international court and get thrown out. if it doesn't happen these two countries have an agreement for extradition. her life will be more up in the air than ever before. we'll have to see what happens today. >> we'll be watching that. cnn is continuing to cover that. nina steve, our appreciation to both of you. alisyn. controversy continues to look for that. now a former orca trainer is speaking out in a new book with exclusive new plans. were whales deprived of food to make them perform? there there's much more. stick around. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™.

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studio. from that clip it seems like seaworld was in your blood, your dna. you worked there for two decades. >> right. >> when did you start to see things that bothered you? >> it was my identity from my whole childhood. i believed in that company. i was 100% loyalist to seaworld. first i started seeing what would happen with the trainers the exploitation of the trainers. seemingly untouchable star trainers who i wanted to become one day, but i was, you know very low level at that point and how quickly i would see them fall from grace if they challenged management. so they would be defamed. they would be moved to another area. a lot of trainers were nearly killed. they sued seaworld for negligence. >> you mean they were nearly killed by the animals? >> that's right. >> that never came out? >> they kept that hidden. some of the aggressions that you see in black fish that just scratches the surface. we had so many more near

fatalities with the whales. what they would do is as soon as the trainers would sue, they would very quickly force them into settlement. then they were gag ordered which is exactly what seaworld wanted was the gag order so they could never speak about it. >> in the book you also talk about you didn't like how the animals were treated. let me read a portion from your book about food deprivation. >> animals receive all their food regardless of howell well they perform. this is false. i know those who usually get 185-200 pounds their food was restricted. it would not be good for businesses to say the stars of the show were not given food in order to make them perform. it has happened. i have been part of inflicting the policy myself at the request of a supervisor. what was going on? so they would punish the whales? >> exactly. so there's only two acceptable reasons you should withhold food from an animal. one is medical and the second is

if that animal just simply refuses to eat. you try multiple times and they won't eat, which is usually reflective of a medical condition. but when you withhold food just because the animals are choosing not to cooperate or they're doing the incorrect behavioral -- you know behavior you asked for, you know that's just poor training. that's poor management. whenever those decisions were made a manager had to approve it. it wasn't like a rogue trainer that went off and said i'm going to cut this animal's space today. you had to pick up a phone, call a manager. they were poor behaviorally can we grind their food? they would say yes or no. >> seaworld obviously is not pleased with your book and revealing this. in fact they take issue with many of the things that you say. here is their rebuttal to your claims about food deprivation. they say our policy is simple. killer whales receive an amount of food determined by our veterinarians based on their

age, sex, overall health any departure requires a veteran's approval. >> right. it's so easy to explain those things away. for example, if you have a whale that's been performing poorly not cooperating and say their base was 250 pounds you can very easily the next day say, i've dropped -- say it's casaka af he dropped casaka's base from 250 pounds to 180 pounds because she seems a little over weight. reading between the lines it's she's not cooperating the way we want her to cooperate so we're going to drop her food amount. >> seaworld says that they don't believe your story and they even say that you yourself contradicted the story that you now tell in your memoir by this tweet that was sent out a year ago. here is your tweet. you say any trainer that held back food from a whale was a poor trainer and using techniques not taught to us in

the seaworld training. how do you explain that contradiction? >> i don't believe it is a contradiction. it is a poor trainer. >> that doesn't sound like you were blowing the whistle. that sounds like you were defending the choice. >> what i was defending is as a trainer, as a good trainer you should not be withholding food from whales for behavioral reasons. if it's medical or if it's because the whales simply refuse to eat and you've tried multiple times, you've done all you can do. i was fortunate enough that throughout my career i learned from some great trainers but there are trainers in the system that are not very behaviorally strong and they don't follow that system. so you'll see them withhold food from whales because they're frustrated because the whales didn't give them a good show or like i said they weren't cooperating for whatever reason. is it the seaworld policy to withhold food from animals?

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