days ago. and also, an e e evacuated bus has been swal e lowed up by a sinkhole, and look at this, carried away by raging waters. this is captured by someone who had escaped that bus just in time. >> incredible. randi. thank you very much. that does it for us. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is cnn breaking u news. the breaking news is evidence that one of the pilots on the doomed planes was locked out of the cockpit at the time of the crash. i'm don lemon and thank you for joining us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is what the new york times is reporting this evening, investigators found evidence on the voice recorder that one of the pilots left the cockpit before the plane began to descend, but he could not get back into the cockpit, and the plane recorder captures the pilot trying to desperately smash down the door, but what is going on inside of the cockpit? what happened to the pilot

inside? why did the plane descend to the doom? tonight, the aviation experts are here to try to make sense of the deepening mystery. let's begin right now with richard quest an aviation expert for cnn and forensic audio expert paul ginsberg is going to join us, and paul elfwall an aviation expert for us. and richard quest, tell us about the cockpit, and we talk about the redundancy if one thing fails, we have another, and if someone is locked out of of the cockpit, shouldn't there be another way for the pilot to get back into the cockpit? >> well, there is a mechanism or procedure if you like that the allows for the emergency or excuse me, for the senior staff to get back into the cockpit, but you don't do it easily. there is a window in which you can alert the cockpit that you are about to open the door, and

obviously, if the cockpit, if they want you to or don't want you to they can lock it. there is a 30-second window, where you say, i am about to open the door from the outside, and if the first captain or the officer doesn't respond, then and if they don't respond it you open the door within the five-second window and if something is wrong, they lock it but there should have been two people here in the cobckpit, and whatever is happening with the locked doors or the not locked door, and why wasn't are the two people in the cockpit? >> that is the question. here is what i have learned from doing the research on this and tell me if i'm correct. outside there is a pad to let whoever is out, whether the flight attendant or the purser or the pilot or whoever, they have 30 seconds to punch the code and then the person inside can lock it, and they can't get inside, and then the person inside can lock the door for five-minute intervals where it

is basically rendered that you can't do anything from the outside? >> well, i am not part on that part of it but the fact is that if you have locked the inside of the cockpit, that it is, and the person from the outside is not going to get in. the dangerous part is that if when that pilot came out, for best practice most airlines have a flight attendant go ging this in, because what you don't want what is what has happened here and somebody trying to get in if the person inside has a heart attack or drops dead or something has gone wrong stwlchlt what iss. >> what is on the recording here ak according to the new york times? >> well, the "times" is reporting that you will hear a calm conversation between the two pilots. one of the pilots, and we don't know whether it sis the captain or the first officer leaves the cockpit, and then the gentle

knocking of someone trying to get in which is followed by fierce banging, which is followed by sounds of trying to smash the door down which is suggesting that somebody tried to get back in, and the door was locked, and that is the way they did it. >> and it is as you said, a senior military official involved in the investigation said smooth and cool conversation from the pielots between barcelona and dusseldorf and then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cob cockpit and could not re-enter, and this is directly from "the new york times'" report and the guy was locking lightly, and then hits it stronger, and never an answer, and never an answer. >> what is disturbing is what we are not being told. with we are not being told if they could hear on the cockpit record recorder the sound of anybody breathing in there and we are not told if we could hear the 30-second warn ging that somebody was about to try it. >> the beeping. >> and 0 seconds of -- and 30 seconds of the access.

long of it all, they are selected in what they rare telling -- and not "the new york times," but what is released it is selective and that is where we don't know. >> and that is where the forensic audio expert is here for for. >> and what is the implications here? >> huge. either medical emergency which means they could not get back in, and that means the question why was the door lock and why couldn't they use the emergency override or secondly, nefarious. >> and now to you, explain to us what we might be hearing if "the new york times'" report is correct, what would we hear? >> i have examined a number of cockpit voice recordings and on them i can hear the breathing if there is an impending run off of the runway or the worse situation happening, so you can hear the breathe and you can hear the even measure the rapidity of the breathing, and you might be able to hear the latch on the door, and certainly, you would hear any alerts or the alarms attached to

the door as well as stall and so on telling the pilot that the plane is in trouble. and we have done experiments enhancing the cockpit area microphone signal to eliminate any of the noise to get through to those alarms. >> and so you would clearly be able to hear all of, this correct? >> we should be with proper processing. >> and stand by, because i want to bring in matthew wall who is an aviation expert and you have reported on this and covered numerous accidents. >> yes, and they will report on who is the one who got up, and left, because there is micro microphone, and this is year ri ekchos of the halloween crash in 1999 where it is clear that the first officer was going to kill everybody on board and put the plane in a dive and various people said why not cobckpit

video, and there is video of everything on the street, and the pilots don't like it, because it violates the privacy in the workplace, and this may be the crash that leads people to want to do this. >> and matthew, it reminds you of the huge implications, but is this the leading to be nefarious, and the pilot got up to go to the restroom or illness? >> well, richard is correct that the fuller accounting of the cockpit recorder will tell us more. egypt 1990, the first officer at the controls where he was called home to be fired because he had been caught literally pulling his pants down in the manhattan and exposing himself to young women, and egypt 990, and that plane descended much, much faster and went from 36,000 effete, and 19,000 feet in 37 seconds, and this plane was in a relatively more gentle dive and

probably hit the mountain intact and egypt air 1990 broke up in flight it was descending so fast, and so this is a clue that it was not nefarious, and on the other hand the captains and the first officers get thorough health exams once a year and some of them twice a year for this reason that you don't want a person who is subject to incapacitation. >> richard? >> matthew, a question for you in order to discuss this point. i was where you were and the early part of the evening i was sort of more medical emergency than the e nefarious, but the more it was put to me this issue, but to create a measured descent of say 3,000, and say, you fall on the sidestick, and without it changing the heading at the same time becomes quite difficult, doesn't it? i mean, how do you effect a medical situation that creates this measured devent?

sgr you know, i wish that there were video in the cockpit, and somebody loses the consciousness and has the hand on the stick. and richard, if you remember the psa crash in 19 886, and the disgruntled mechanic walks into cockpit, and he says something to the effect that i will get even with the management blah blah blahs, and shoots the captain over the captain with the stick, and old airplanes with the stick, and that is also a much steeper descent profile than this and this is likely to become clearer when we have the other black box and when we vhave something more interesting than a scoop of somebody who may or may not have heard the tape. >> and lufthansa said and they are the parent company of germanwings who said that they do nott have information on the recording that one of the german

pilots was locked out of the cockpit, but they rare looking into it, and that is the statement of the germanwings ceo ceo, and that is what he told the reporters earlier, and i want to bring in car can lean pit pitta and dan dukes who is also a american airlines pilot, and i want to put up picktures of inside of the cockpit, and this is the button that is going to lock, unlock the door and leave it in normal or what have you, and can you explain and see this carlene? >> i can't, but i can walk out to the tv and see if i can. it is the on the instrument panel, and the cockpit button and it says "unlock, norm lock." >>k o. i got okay. i got it. >> explain to us what happens. >> as pilots we can allow somebody to come into the cockpit, and every airline has

the procedure, and if we were sitting in the seat, and we needed to have somebody come up to unlock the door, we unlock, the door will unlock. when it is in normal, and somebody needs to get in or tries to get in, you have a code on the outside. they punch in the coat, and gives the alert, and the they were not asked to do that then we push lock and no. and so dan duke a backup as richard and i have been discussing outside of the cockpit door but it can be enabled from inside where you cannot use it. >> actually it is a kind of a pass/fail system so that if the proper code is entered from the outside, the door will unlock unless the pilot reacts to that and locks it. >> i should say disabled outside. yes. >> it can be disabled inside, and you are enabling the door

from the code and then you can come in. if the pilot was incapacitated, he would be able to open the door. if he didn't want you to come in as she said you would lock it. that lock switch is a spring loaded switch so it will go back to the normal position after you momentarily put it in lock. >> what do you make of the report knowing what the procedures are, and what can and cannot be done inside and outside of the cockpit? >> well, i am surprised as richard said that the two-person rule is not adhered to. there should have been p another person in the cockpit when the pilot left. that is what has been our procedure as far as i know everyone's procedure in the states, so either there were two people who were incapacitated which is unlikely or that was the procedure was ignored, and that poor guy had some emergency

and was incapacitated, but what i don't understand is why the voice recorder doesn't know the sounds the buzzer sound, and the thing thass that would normally happen if the pilot tried in the normal way to get back into the cockpit. >> go ahead, paul. >> that is exactly what we have to look at over time, and look for that, and no doubt, the sound of the door lock cylinoid on the door locking, and unlocking may be detectable as well. >> richard quest? >>le well, that is the deficiency in "the new york times," and magnificent scoop, but in the selective leaking from this military official, that is the deficient in the official story there, if that we don't know that if you can hear the 30-second buzz as they try to do the manual and we don't know, and that is what we don't

know, and we haven't been told that particular part of the -- and i suspect because whoever leaked it the senior military official has not made it public. >> there is a lot to learn, and to talk about, so stay with me everybody, and we will back with the breaking reports that one of the pilots on the doomed plane was locked out of the cockpit before the crash. look! this is the new asian inspired broth bowl from panera bread. our hero is the soba noodle. (mmmm) which we pair with fresh spinach (ahhh) mushrooms (yes) and chicken raised without antibiotics. (very nice) then top with a soy-miso broth. that noise! panera broth bowls should be slurped with gusto! (yumm) to explore further order online or visit your neighborhood panera bread. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes it's not likely to go away on its own.

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quest our cnn analyst for aviation accidents. and tom, in flight 9525 there was a smooth conversation between the piet lots in the early part of the flight from barcelona and dusseldorf and then the audio said that one of the pilots left a ndnd he could not re-enter. at first he was knocking polite ly and then hits the door harder and then you can hear him striking the door harder and trying to smash the door down. and he is never able to get in. >> well don, the security measures are working too well to keep the bad guys out and the good guys in. and that is always a question of

the fortified cockpit door if you have air marshals on board or the passengers themselves or another member of the crew if something bad was happening in the cockpit, they couldn't get in to do anything about it. >> and the security measures and the airbus doors engineered differently in germany than america? >> well what i would like to have is one of the reporters there to go to the germanwings' airplane and ask to look at the cockpit door locking mechanisms and look at it. you would see exactly how lufthansa and the germanwing configure ta door. and do they have the lock spring to configure it on and off and how does the code panel work, and how does this happen? and another thing about the leak itself do we have the second voice of the cockpit as we have heard, because it is a

rekwirmt requirement that one of the flight attendants come in so that there are two people inside and can they hear that? one of the thing thass that i'm worried about is that a year ago we were reporting for days nonstop on flight m-370, and there were newspapers reporting fictitious sources that were wrong, and i was involved in a number of the stories where i had information from the senior malaysian officials that the reporting was flat out false, and that is my worry, because this leak is so incomplete in a way that it makes me suspicious of the whole thing. >> and richard quest said the same thing, there is a lot to be had from the reporting that he wants to hear more of. and so i want to know before i go to the other panelist i want

to ask you about the fbi, and terrorism, because the analysts said on the ground, they would leave no stone unturned and look into everything that would lead into terrorism, and will the fbi get involved now that there were americans on board? >> well thaey were involved before it was known that americans were involved, because authorities in france and germany would want the databases checked as the manifest became known to the authorities as well as the people who worked on the plane, and they want it scrubbed through the interpol database and so it was happening from the first day and not something that okay cur canned two or three days later. >> thank you, tom fuentes. stand the on, because i want to bring on the author of "cockpit

confidential" and matthew wald and collene a pilot, she is with us as well, and also joining us by phone, and also i want to tauklk about the pilots, and the precautions. should two people be in the cockpit at all times, and does it surprise you that there was possibly only one person in the cockpit? >> well, don i don't want to spoil the party here, but there is certain security protocols that i am not comfortable to talk about on camera. matt made some good point, and richard did as well. with but the most important of which were that there is so much of this that we don't know yet, and we are dealing with the leaks, and secondhand reports and pure speculation, and i'm

surprised so much is known so soon after this airplane crash. and i know in this day and age that you want fast and quick answer and you just can't have it. and instead of this conversation where i am a part and overanalyzing and beating a topic that we know so little about we should back off and let the investigators do their thing. >> fair enough, but it is a discussion and the new york times is a legitimate news organization and if it turns out, true, but if it turns out to be true, then true enough. but this is the reason why one of the guys went out, but what is true is that at the end of the flight one of the pilots does not open the door and what does it tell you from the reporting? >> well until we know more what does it tell me -- all

right. if "the new york times" is correct, let's just for the purpose of this question assume that "the new york times'" article is correct, then it tells you that there was somebody in the cockpit that locked the door, so that any other mechanisms were not going to succeed. that is what it tells us. >> and so it is a good time to tauklk about the safety and the procedures that go on inside of the airplane correct? >> yes. >> and where everybody flies. >> yes. >> we see the flight at tep dant comes, and they put the flight infront of the cockpit, and you can't come n and sometimes the flight attendant goes n and sometimes not, and one person is in the cockpit, and what is the protocol? >> the protocol of the international standards and practices, which happens at the state level, and the level of which the enforcement exists so in germany for lufthansa, the

enforcement there would look at this, but the actual procedure for what is going on there is set for the procedures and the protocol is by iko is not seekcret or hampered there. >> and you can go on the internet to find it. >> of course of course. and it is publish and part of the regulation and published that way, and so it is not something that anybody could not look up and so i am not divulging any secrets there as imposed there. >> and i can see there the twitter, the tweet world is -- >> we don't care about the tweet world. we are doing our jobs. and let them reaktct the way. and matthew wald in reporting and covering this why would a snippet like this be release sod early on? >> because the people you talk to and military officials don't want to be named, but they want to sound like they are talking about, and often they do know what they are talking about, and often it is the blind man who is

looking at the elephant, and they have a piece of the pick chufr, and not the whole picture, and often they don't know what they are talking about, but often, the first good evidence here, and the destruction is so complete, that we won't determine the pre-crash medical condition of the pilot in the cockpit. one of the few concrete things that they have is the cockpit voice recorder and it is not clear if the military official heard it himself or whether there was a game of telephone here and somebody said something to someone else who said something to him, and he repeated it to a reporter. in journalism, and the world of crash investigation, there are conflicts ethoses here and one thing is that guys in big government want to sound like they are in charge and know what is happening, and they are impatient to get something out, although more serious professional investigators say, give me a year or two, and i will tell you what happened. >> as a pilot, jim tillman, what

is your reaction to this? >> i'm very concerned about the kind of information that we are putting out to the world. i mean, face it, that part of the protech sun in the cobckpit, and the aviation industry is what people don't know. i am not anxious to divulge anymore either, because i have seen things tonight that we are talking about in the open that i never thought would be in the open. and what is my take on the situation? my take is we don't know how many people were in the cockpit, and we are talking about the person in there by themselves, and we don't know that. we don't know any details about how all of that took place. i agree with the philosophy that you heard earlier tonight, we have to be very responsible what we say. it has a lot of impact across the aviation industry, and a lot of lives and money and everything else at stake. so unless we are certain, we should label it as pure speck

you lashgs and matter of be being fair to the people watching us. >> go ahead, richard. >> let's squelch this once and for all as i was say ging. scotch this nonsense that this with which is being discussed is some massive security breach, and we are endangering aviation. i guarantee you, sir that hundreds of thousands if not several million people are well aware of what we are talking about, and every flight attendant who has flown previous and now know about it and videos who are showing what we are talking about tonight, and i find it somewhat i won't say offensive, but slightly strong for you gentlemen to even suggest that we would have crossed that line in this discussion. >> my problem, richard -- >> stand by everyone and i promise to let you respond,

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welcome back everyone. interesting conversation about that report that the pilot was locked out of the cockpit in the doom doomed airplane that crashed in the french alps. nic robertson, i know it is early where you are, but any reaction to the new reporting from "the new york times"? >> nothing on the ground so far. it will be a couple of hours here before the air crews start their missions here and begin to drop the recovery teams into the site. you know that's where, you know the perhaps the rest of the truth of this is going to be discovered, and when they can find that data recorder, the one that the president francois hollande had said had come out of the housing. a lot of the focus tomorrow and the coming hours as well the

families will begin arriving here and thaey will, too, be looking for the answers, but at the moment, so far, no reaction here yet, don. >> and looking ahead to tomorrow's search do the crews believe they will be able to recover any of the bodies? i know it is rough conditions, nick. . >> yes, certainly, a report overnight that some of the victims' bodies have been recovered. what we had understood is that the process was slowed because of the location of each of the bodies discovered has to be recorded and a medical certificate of some kind insitu of some kind. and so some of the bodies they

have to literally lower them by winch, and so it slows down how many people, and how to lower them and how much equipment they can bring in and how quickly to move around on the broken rock face where the aircraft impacted but the expectation is now that they have begun to recover some of the bodies, and thaey have been marking the location of others that process should begin to speed up within a few hours. >> all right. thank you, nic robertson, and we appreciate that. back with me patrick smith, richard tilman and matthew wald and on the phone carlene pettis and david soucie and richard quest and thank you all for

joining us. >> as a faa investigator i want to say that if we are divulging some secrets, but if the seek security is so weak that we have to rely on the communication between the pilots and the crew and then it is seekcret. it is archaic thought to believe that it is controlled by the secrets. it is not. safety is controlled by the mitigation efforts of events from occur, and they are strong and public and anyone can look them up. there are some secrets, of course, and as a federal agent, and federal aviation inspector for several years, we are trained or on that and very well and thank you for letting me defend that. >> go ahead, jim and i will let you respond. >> i apologize to anybody who may be bent out of shape over this but the difference is where the information comes from. if it is coming from the

internet study or whatever else are the best buddy who is in the loop is one thing, but don puts together an elite group of people whose word carries a lot of weight and the best minds on the planet he sticks on the panel, and when the panel speak, and when richard quest says something, it is goes e pel and it is not hearsay and somebody found some information someplace someplace, and it carries weight, and that is what is significant about it and that is why i say we have to be responseible responsible, and not criticizing, but it is what we have to say, and it was on the chest, and we, above all, have to be careful, because we are, as far as the audience is concerned, the experts. >> patrick smith, your book is called "cockpit confidential." >> yes, and to back off on what i said erlarlier, and i am not so concerned that we are giving

away secrets to terrorists or that sort of thing, but what i am concerned about is that we are overanalyzing anything that may or may not have anything to do with the accident in the first place, and don't hate me for saying it but the whole kon conversation is the media's tendencies to fixate on the air crashes and i don't know if it is in spite of or regardless of the fact that air crashes in the space are so comepare -- comparatively rare these day, and back to the 19 880s and when we would have 15 or 20 major accidents worldwide year after year and we don't have them anymore, and so when the accidents do occur, they hold our attention in a way that is very intense and i think unhealthy, because it encourages the people to overspeculate and overanalyze, and giving people

the idea that it is flying that is dangerous, and when statistically, it is safer and safer safer. >> and i have to get to dan duke and then carlene. >> i want to chime in a little bit on the security issues, and i realize that we are not divulging security information about the switches and how to prevent the next recurrence of these accident, and that is what the investigateors will do is to prevent accidents, and that is what they are doing. these people present the news which is a free flowing stream of conscious kind of thing, and it is interesting. i agree with jim that we don't want to lend our expertise to speculation, and as pilots we want exactness and patience and real answers.

but i think that everybody has a part to do in here, and i think that we are all doing it and i respect everybody on the panel for their opinion and what they are doing it. >> carlene pettit. >> well thank you don. i know we want to prevent a reoccurrence and everybody is concerned with the speculation, but we need to shift it to the brainstorming, and try to figure out what happened, and fit takes a year we can't prevent the reoccurrence and to try to deduce what happened with what we do know is a very good thing and what we do know in this case is that a airplane flew directly into the mountain the, and measure and 3,000 feet per minute is not exsescessiveexcessive, and the pilot intervention had to give that airplane an altitude to descend to and go there, and

somebody did this. and on the basis of the pilot getting locked out, and revisit with what happened with jetblue and the good guy did lock out the bad guy, and i shouldn't say bad, but he had mental health issues, but we had the guy this the cockpit locking out the bad guy, and easy with two pilots to convince the other guy in the back that give it a second, and we are fine and every pilot out there needs to honor the security procedure, and not get come playplacent with it, and we are not trained to assess the mental health of the fellow pilots. and so safety and the follow the procedures to keep the sky safe. i am out there flying, and my family and grandkids are out

there fly ging, and i am comfortable with it, and we have to keep it that way. >> and matthew, the last word, quickly, because i am up against the clock. >> well, different idea, talking about the voice recorder it is not tape, but it is chips. and there was a crash in cali colombia where they found the chips and wired them back together, and read the data off of them and the guys on the mountainside tomorrow morning where they r they are going to be looking for the computer chips, but they may come up lucky. >> that is interesting to say the least. and everyone said their peace, and i appreciate it. >> coming up next, the breaking news. the reports that one of the pilots was locked out of the doomed plane. we will go to the reporters in the region. i have verizon. i don't. so i found us on the trail map and took the only easy way down. it wouldn't load.

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our chilling breaking news tonight, one pilot was locked out of the doomed flight that crashed in the french alps and

according to the oarticle h in the "new york times" that you can hear the pilot on the outside trying to smash the door down. and now, fred pleitgen, i know it sis very early where you are, but are you getting any reaction about this new york times' reporting, and you have received any lufthansa response to "the new york times'" article? >> well no reak shunction here on the ground in haltem, but i did get a reaction from lufthansa, and i have spoke to them twice tonight, and the spokesman is a man named boris ogorski who called an hour ago and he said, we have no information from the bodies investigating the incident that would corroborate the report in "the new york times," and we will not participate in the speculation, but we will follow up this the

matter. so it is not a clear denial, but they say that the agencies investigating all of this and they mean the french version of the ntsb and the german version of the ntsb have not give enn them the information that would corroborate "the new york times," but they have said it is early in the matter and they r are investigating the reports, and here in haltem, because the news did come late german time. but i can tell you that being here on the ground, there is a lot of sorrow and this is the town where 16 high school students were killed aboard that flight but there is also a demand for inmore nation,formation and of course people want to know more about what happened to their loved ones, and they are going to be reading this article, and they will be reading it closely and want to know more answer ss. of course, today is the day in germany that many of the, this

is the day of many of the relatives of the victims are set to fly out to the area where this happened to the crash, so it is going to be interesting how the new report will play into that don? >> it is going to be interesting the information of the two pilots, because it puts a big spotlight on them. what do we know about them fredrick? >> yeah well, it is not very much. there was a press conference today by the ceos of lufthansa, and of germanwings, and he did not say much. they give a little bit more information than before. they said that the captain had a lot of experience and ten years' experience of flying the a-320 and 6,000 flying hours which is a considerable amount of experience on that airplane model. they did not say the name of the pilot or the co-pilot, and when asked the name of the co-pilot the ceo of germanwings said that both of the people flying the plane were pilots of lufthansa

and however, they said it is interesting statement the here in europe, because one of the things that he is trying to say to us is that he is ruling out the speculation that it is budget airlines and he is saying instead that they were lufthansa pilots and they were employed by lufthansa, and they were germanwings flight, and you can fly on germanwings, and they fly under same regulations. fred plightgen, and thank you. david soucie is here and reaction right after this break.

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we are back now with the breaking news tonight and it is the shocking report that one of the pilots of the doomed germanwings jet was locked out the cockpit according to "the new york times". lufthansa, owner of germanwings says they have no information about that report. back with david soucie. i want to talk about more information and we talked about the cbr and that is where this report from "the new york times" would have come and also the data re/* data recorders, and there is a chip missing the vital memory chip that contains the data is missing? >> yes, the flight data recorder

which records the parameters as it goes through the sky, and the primary device that you can see, that sis the cockpit voice recorder, but the part that is smashed, those are analog converters converters that take the analog sound like we are talking to put it in numbers, and they are stored in the other device which is reinforced and stainless steel, and many, many layriers of insulation inside of it to protect it from heat, and that is the part on the flight data recorder missing, so they have the shell, the outside casing, but that part where the memory chips are is miss ging, and it does get separated, because it is heavier than the rest of it and it can be separated. >> we will know what happens with the cvr, but if that is not found that memory chip, it will make it more difficult if there was mechanical failure or what.

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where investigators are scrambling to make sense of the report that a pilot was locked out of the cockpit. we are live with the latest on that, and plus sergeant bowe bergdahl charged with desertion, and we will talk to the sergeant who served with him in afghanistan, and he says that president obama should not have traded five taliban prisoners for sergeant bowe bergdahl. and now, a shocking report that one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit. and now, "the new york times" is citing one of the most chill inging details that you can hear on the tape that the pilot