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good morning. i am allison in for christy. now to germany where investigators are searching the apartment and see why he would crash a plane into a mountainside and kill himself and others. >> we're live in germany. >> reporter: well good morning to both of you. i am here right outside of the germanwings headquarterer. at this hour the airline is not saying much. we are learning more of the co-pilot and the medical condition. we know that investigators have been in and out of his apartment not far from here from this airport. last night i was outside of his apartment and investigators brought out evidence and more evidence. before that they found a crucial clue inside of his apartment.

now i am going to turn to our senior international correspondent to talk about this. the build is also talk about his girlfriend and his ex-girlfriend and what she was saying. >> yeah, they have an interview with the ex-girlfriend. now, bill is the biggest newspaper in germany. they have an interview and a photo as well. in that she says that he was a very sensitive man and needed a lot of care and attention and could be flattering. he brought her flowers, but someone that had a dark side to him. they had moments where they had fights and he would wake up in the middle of the night and was someone that loved flying a lot and afraid to lose that in his life. >> interesting. >> when we talk about the medical condition obviously with that interview it is very

interesting to hear the personality behind that. that's something that's going to be important going forward. >> yeah, investigators want to see what's going on. the prosecutor talked about torn up medical notes in the trash ben and a doctor's note for the day that he crashed the plane into a mountain. do we know anymore? was it mental or physical health? >> well, when you know the way that german bodies speak, you know it well. they're not as blunt as they were here. they said that he had an illness, but not what kind it was t. there are publications saying that it was something mental and a form of depression or something. we know that in 2008 when he was a cadet that he had the take several months off. it's unclear why and there are some reporting that it had to do

something with that. this is nothing that's out there officially yet and we have reached out to the university hospital where he apparently went this year to get a diagnostic done. they did not say whether it was depression or other mental ailmen ailments. we do expect to get more information as the week unfolds. >> what are we hear frg the airline? >> yeah, the airline said that they had absolutely no indication that he had any problems. they say that they never received the the sick notes, so they said at what the public prosecutor said. according to their medical staff because the pilots have to have a medical check up, and they get tested when they go into pilot training. he was 100 percent fit to fly and during the time there was nothing that was deemed special

or nothing that was deemed strange. they have a process where if you notice something strange about a colleague, you're supposed to do it. you're encouraged to do this. in this place, none of that op happened. >> reporter: wow, investigators talking with people from the company and those that new him. thank you so much fred. we appreciate it. in fact, cnn has spoke to a glider pilot that said that he knew andra and he would fly around the area frequently. >> i do not think that he picked the place out. i don't know. it would be too much a coincidence if he knew that the captain would in this area. it was just a coincidence. >> reporter: and we know that

rescue efforts there where the crash happened, are resuming but high winds are complicating the efforts there. they have a lot of obstacles and aircraft debris there. very few bodies have been found hole. we know that an access road is being built into the area. we have heard from the beginning how difficult that it is to get to the stop many the french alps. we know that's happening at this hour. allison and victor, i am going toss it back to you and any develops here in germany. >> thank you so much. the questions about the mental state are raising more troubling questions of reporting and self-reporting and what happened with the co-pilot. we have us psychologist to answer the questions. he suffered some serious

depression episode in 08 or 09 and then spent a year in psychiatric treatment. >> well it's speculation, so we have to honor that. it says that there's a long standing issue of medical problems that's present. now, if it's manged in most situations it should not keep someone from doing their job. we rely on someone being responsible enough to report the issues. the difficulties in this situation is that it does compromise the life dream of flying a plane and commercial airplane that he worked so hard to do. >> we don't know what happened in 2008 or 2009 is directed to what qualified him or disqualified him and made him unfit to work and on the day that the plane went down. on the conversation of the mental episode and having some mental disorders and the wall street journal reporting, i am

sure that all mental disorders would not qualify someone for a pilot, which i think that it would. >> when someone is working towards psychotic episodes or not ready to see it accurately, that's something that you're going question the person's ability to fly. when you get in more issues of depression and suicide, what you have to weigh is when somebody is on a medication what are the consequences of that on the ability and the reaction time and planning and impulse control, so we have to look at issues not just of the diagnosis but of the medications which is why the faa and other national agencies take the issues so seriously. the cost is sometimes of somebody not wanting to be open and honest because they fear a loss of the dream and income and

impact of the family. it becomes a selfish choice in a way. >> we talked about that and not disclosing everything to the company's position. how do you bridge the gap? is there a way to protect the privacy right and insure the passenger safety? >> that's a tough balance, and they're weighing that in the industry. that's why so many pilot versus the private physician. it keeps it separate and the privacy rights allow that. when you're in a position of the such importance to the public safety and whether a pilot or bus driver, do you sacrifice some privacy for the better good of the masses? that's what we have to look at and question here. is there a give and take here that people have to be willing to do in order to do the job that they want to do. >> thank you very much dr.

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this morning we have shocking new details of the cop co-pilot germanwings. german prosecutors say that some deemed him unable to work. ripped up including one for the day of the crash. they have not found a good-bye note. let's bring in an aviation expert and a retired airline pilot. john, i want to talk with you. as the pilot if you reveal information like this, do you jeopardize your job? i know that i have talked to pilot in the past and said that there are colleagues that are

needing to take medication for depression, are not going to say anything to the employer. >> well, it's certainly a lot better now than it was five or ten years ago. five or ten years ago if you had to go on medication, you were pretty much done flying. the federal air surgeons over the last few years have changed the process so that probably five or six years ago you could start to take some of the medications that would allow you to continue to function. unfortunately you would have to be done a year and get evaluated. they would change to to about six months. there was a chance that you put the job in jeopardy, but there are ways to get it back. >> the faear of having the stiga keeps them from telling the employee. >> most recognize that this is very very important. if there's a chance that there's

a condition that they have that might affect the flying they're going to do something about it. the other issue is of course it's up to them to tell the employer that they have this issue going on, and although it's a tough call to make, it's a call that most pilot in this situation will do. >> okay. jillian , let me go to you. commercial pilots take hundreds of live in their hand when they fly. should they undergo mandatory psychological screenings? >> yes, no two ways about it. they're in charge -- well lives of 149 souls were in their care. you have to make sure that the person is fit for the job. now i understand that the base of airline pilots they claim to speak for 500,000 pilots. they're having a go at us and revealing the information. they're saying that we should wait for the official report. if it was not for media st

speculation, then nonof this would come out. i am all for it. >> speaking of the details coming out, we're hearing that the co-pilot had their notes from doctors telling him and basically saying that he was unfit to fly. should doctors have a mission to report mental illness if being trusted with lives? >> this is the doctor patient relationship, isn't it. there's no reason for the airline doctor medical surface to have their people on top f it. if they at least suspect and they did not know that this gentlemen had a problem before. he was off for six months, then they should increase the frequency of the examination and testing. now they do tend to rely on the psychological party during the simulator days that they go on

every six months or so. you're in a really stressful situation when you're put in, because they can replicate all. it would have come out then. there's the thinking any way. >> aviation expert and john, you're going to be back in the next hour, and we will discuss more of this. we're going to have more coverage throughout the morning. a live report from german straight ahead. also you can send us the questions at #germanwings qs@cnn. >> okay. thanks allison. take a look at this. an unbelievable bus here. there's the amazing rescue that we want to show you. kids trapped inside and the efforts of the bus driver to get them out. amanda knox's reaction to finally being cleared of murder charges. my cut hurt. >>mine hurt more. >>mine stopped hurting faster! neosporin plus pain relief starts relieving pain faster

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we will have more on the germanwings crash investigation in a minute. time now is 6:22. let's take a look at other developing stories. after years amanda knox can approximate put the murder trial behind her. she made a statement after an over turned verdict on friday. >> you saved my life, and i am so grateful. i am so grateful to have my life back. thank you, and that's all that i can say. right now i am still on on

soshing what this morning. what comes to mind is gratitude for the life that's been given to me. >> knox and her italian boyfriend were accused of murdering her roommate in 2007. former secretary of the state wiped the server clean and deleted all e-mails to the server. that's according to tray who said that clinton's lawyer informed them. they asked that she turnover the server and inspector general for a review and clinton's lawyer said no. late last year clinton turned more than 55,000 pages of e-mails over to the state department. astronaut kelly has -- the longest stretch of time that anyone has spent in space. kelly blasted off last night.

part of the mission is performing parallel studies on the identical twin brother spark kelly. wow. fire burning through a school bus in california. 35 middle students on board when the bus began to smoke. the bus driver here is being called a hero. she was able to get the kids off the bus safely before the explosion that you just heard. the conditions that the recovery teams are having to deal with are dangerous and gruesome. we're going to show you what we're dealing with and why officials say that we're going take a couple of weeks before the bodies are discovered. we're proposing one act in airplan airplanes. one suggest pilot commercial aircrafts.

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welcome back to new day. i am pamela brown here in germany with special coverage of the the crash 2595. right behind me the headquarters of germanwings. we have been learning more of the co-pilot that crashed the plane into the french alps. investigators were at his home taking out boxes of evidence trying to figure out a motive. also build magazine the largest

magazine here apparently interviewed his ex-girlfriend that told the magazine that he had two very different spers personalities. on the other hand he would get very angry and yell at her. she said that he was very fearful of losing his job at german wing withes. meantime at the crash site, rescue workers are combatting high winds. they have two missions -- two main missions at this hour. recovering 150 bodies and recoverying the second black box that flight data recorder. for more on this i am going to go to erin. >> reporter: hi, weather conditions have improved here and that means that they do not have to fly as many choppers and make rotation toss the crash

site. some 40 people at the site today and flying around two choppers compare today the five that they were flying yesterday. as you say the priorities are too full. i was just speaking to the spokes person from the operator that they're still looking for the flight data recorder that's missing. they found a casing for the recorder but not the recorder and the at the scene is really important to give them more information on how the plane was perform asking the commands that the plane was receive nothing the moments before the impact. they're also looking for human e are mains, and it's a grim tasks. a spokes person saying that it's a cemetery up there. the bodies have been thrown across hundreds of meters. what they're doing is every time that they found a human remain, they make it with a number, and they chart it. so that they know where each human remain came from. from there they load them into bags and then lift them to a

separate site and taken to a dna center for cam par tomparative . the families have offered dna. the dna process -- well that could take weeks and only then will the families receive the remains of the loved ones. it could be a long and agonizing wait for them. pamela? >> can't even imagine what that must be like for the family membe members. erin, thank you so much. as erin said it could take a couple of weeks. they say that they're making good progress. we're joined now with more right near the crash site. >> reporter: we have been hiking for hours, but finally made it to the part.

that's where the saddest job of all is now going on. >> the rescue teams made up of medics, high mountain guides and also french police. they're working in teams skouerring across the hillside and marking with a small red flag any remain that is they find of people or of the plane. >> you can see the white body bags and that's in the world of the french prosecutor is a horrendous task because the team is recovering body parts bit by bit. bag by bag. now i don't want to take you any closer down there because there's a crime scene, and we do not want to interview with the work. their priority is getting identification on the victims and getting the remains back to the families. on part of the hillside you can see scorch marks and perhaps that's the place that the plane made the impact and then bounced off the ground and slam into the

mountain a little further on descent grating how to imagine what went through the passengers mind just in the last instance according to the french prosecutor. they were aware that the plane was going down began to screen. i hope that by showing you the pictures it helps to understand why the process of recovery is going take so long down in the the conditions. i wonder where the too whether it helps the family to take the first step in what's bound to be a long process in finding some peace. cnn here the french alps. >> thanks to carl right next to the crash site there. alex and victor, that's the latest here in germany. back to you. >> thanks pamela. tech giants are exploring pilot less aircrafts. plane operate from the ground would make it impossible to a i

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the gar wag. >> then you had the new york times and wall street journal reporting and sited sources that he suffered from mental illness. the reports go on to say that he hid that from his employer. >> so when a tragedy like this happens a lot of people start to look for ways to prevent it from repeating. >> our tom foreman looks at one proposal that people are talking about. planes that can be controlled with the ground. >> hey. some of the biggest teches in the world are looking into the idea of planes that can be flown from the ground. there's a belief that such planes with going to be with criminal acts and what happened in the french alps. >> watch closely. this plane over england has a crew at the controls, passengers in the back, but something

extraordinary is about to happen. a pilot on the ground is taking over. >> ready to take control? >> ready to provide. >> i have control. >> you have control. >> this is the $94 million project by the british air company and one of several efforts around the world to have planes that can be flown remotely. >> you will hear the discussion and that would be having if pilots were in charge of the aircraft. >> military success with drones has driven much of the interest and some efforts are focused in hazardous conditions and analysts say that pilotless planes could be a $400 billion a year, so why not passenger flights. the airline industry has a remarkable industry and many believe that on board pilots are

the most reliable and other planes could cost millions of dollars and passengers may not be ready. robert is with flying magazine. >> i start by asking myself how would i feel getting into an airline, and i would not do it. >> there are many unanswered questions about reliability and what happens if this plane were to break free and what are terrorists take over a ground station and in that form take control after an airplane. you have to have multiple stations available at one time. even then what if someone hacks into the data stream and takes over from the plane somewhere else. all of the questions have to be answered. yes, planes were automated than they once where and at the throttle but for this idea of planes to be control from the

ground to really become affective and it's going to be a lot testing and application and that could be a quit number of year in the future. >> okay. thank you tom. charged with de sergs. we're talking of the case of berdog. is it enough to stop him from facing years in prison? much more on that in

bergdahl. war planes attack yemens capital throughout the night. residence say that explosions were heard west of the capital where the government national guard place is located. no word if the planes belong to the saudi coalition. now this comes just days after they pledged 150,000 soldiers to the news operation. that's coming up the next hour. we have new details ton government's desertion case. for the first time we're learning what could be his defense. let's get the details from the pentagon correspondent. >> after being charged before the enemy bergdahl's offense maybe taking shape. he has told army investigators that he did not intend to de sert. the plan and intention was to

walk to the next nearest outpost in the middle of taliban country. that he was walking to the outpost to report what he thought he believed at the time was a lack of leadership and order and discipline in the unit. that was his intention. that's what army investigators have been told. now, whether this is going to be a valid defense. a defense that the army accepts, has to be seen. it's no idea what the intention was. this week we're learning you new details of the condition that bergdahl was held in five years after quickly captured by the taliban when he left the base. he faced five years of isolation, beatings, he was held in conditions that lead to illnesses, wounds on his body, all of this detailed by his

lawyer in a release of documents but again all of this will be up to the army justice system to decide if this is enough for those charges to either stick or to be dismissed. barbara star cnn the pentagon. >> let's get more incite. we have lieutenant general and legal analyst joey jackson. good to have both of you. lieutenant victor, let's start with you. first we have to talk about the difference in bergdahl being awall and being a deserter. how whould that impact the sentence? >> well i would suggest this is an interesting defense on the part of the defense lawyer because over the last several months as you know there have been multiple interviews and hundreds of interviews of other

people that are all part of this case. they tend to have a different picture. if this is sergeant bergdahls story, it will play out. there seems to be overwhelming evidence that he left the forward operating base for other reasons than just reporting some miss carriage of justice. even if that was the case, there are other things than leaving the weapon and equipment and walking off. you can contact the inspector general, you can write letter toss the chain of command. this is an interesting defense. >> as the general just suggested that we spoke with so many of the fellow service men and said that this was desertion. if the defense is that i was going report wrong doing, could that in a way negate the others saying that they are trying to

cover up what is going on? >> sure victor. like with my case it's the circumstances involved and what was he doing. to be clear about it intent certainly matters when you're talking of any crime if it's the code or justice. they're going to exam what the intentions were. in examining that you have to evaluate everything. is it simply his word that he was going to report wrong doing? what he doing wrong doing? what was the nature? was he making it clear to his fellows that he had issues and needed to be report snd what is interesting is other evidence that they may have with desertion or not. there are some indication that he left a letter detailing what the intentions were, so i think that all of this is going to be evaluated and those that he came in con about with. what's important is that they

don't think that they're going to be able to get the afghan or taliban members to testify to the extent of what he was saying and communicating with them, but like with any defense it has to be measured up with his word and everything else seems to suggest was on his mind when he left the post. >> you listed on the options that were available, but have you ever heard of a soldier just saying i am going walk to the nearest outpost to report something? >> yeah, that's great question. as you know i has been in the military for four decades, and never heard of this one before. it's an interesting approach. i will reinforce what joey said. this is an article 32 hearing. what they're doing in this session is gathering evidence to see whether to proceed with a court-martial and/or kind of court-martial they will proceed with. they need to gather skpefd tome

evidence and the leaking of it is good evidence. you have to focus too, if i can add this. a court-martial is different than a civilian trail. you're not looking at what to do in the individual, but how does this respect good order and discipline within a unit. there are a lot of soldiers watching this that have served the count erie very well, and going to see what happens. this is a reflection on the entire military discipline system, and not just what happened with seth bergdahl in this event. >> yeah, after the claim we will hear from more of the fellow service men that served alongside him at that time. thank you both. >> thank you. have a great day. >> thank you. you too. next hour we're taking a closer look on what is in his background? the flight killing 149 people. we're going to go germany with

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some people even laughed. >> so apparently the guy in the red shirt and hat did not like the victims answer. you see him kicking the other men and then other men joined in the attack before they took off. someone recorded with a cell phone and posted the video and on line and since gone viral. the 43-year-old was left with minor bruises and may have broken a bone in his hand. he said that it started when a man asked to use his phone. when he said no he sat down beside him, and that's when things escalated. >> and then he asked me my opinion on the michael brown thing and i responded that i was too tired to think about it. he stood up, and the next thing that i know he sucker punches me. when i got punched in my face my glasses came down and scraped

the bridge of my nose. >> i think that it's disgusting that people were laugh asking smiling about it. no one offered to help or call 911. >> as the train pulled into the station the security guard saw part of the beating and called police. they know exactly who they're looking for. they have clear images of the groups faces on camera. they have third degree assault and misdemeanor. there's a lot to tell you about this morning. >> major develops and the next hour of your new day starts now. > ♪ >> thu this morning. reports the co-pilot in the germanwings crash was treated for depression during flight training and that the he hid the illness from his employer. >> crews say that they're making process at the site where the plane made impact. why it could take weeks before

the victims are recovered and identified. italy flows out amanda knox. what she is saying after the eight year drama is over. this is cnn breaking news. ♪ good morning to our viewers here in the u.s., and hello to everyone that's joining us from around the world. >> i am allison in for christy paul. >> let's get to germany where they're searching for answers to the plane crash. >> pamela brown is anchoring outside of the headquarters of germanwings. good morning pamela. >> reporter: well good morning to you allison and victor. officials with the germanwings still staying tight lipped about the co-pilot. we are learning what investigators are finding inside his apartment.

according to the prosecutor here right next to ka lean, they found a clue inside of the trash bin and inside the apart. . the torn up paper and a doctor's note that said that he was excused from work on the day that he crashed the plane into the french alps. now they're learning more after talking with the acquaintance and one said that he was very healthy and liked to run a lot and never gave any i signs that anything was wrong. here is what he had the say. >> he was a very healthy guy. he does not smoke. i can't imagine that he was mentally ill or depressed and sad. he didn't seem that. i was shocked when i hear that. >> and we're also getting some

more insight from an ex-girlfriend that spoke to build newspaper. the largest newspaper here in germany. for more on that fred joins us, and you can set the stay for us as far as this news paper and interview that really does shed light on two different personalities he had. >> yeah, the credibility is important in all of this and the newspaper is the largest newspaper in germany. it's a tabloid newspaper. they say that they have talk today the ex-girlfriend of h lubitz and what she says is that he was a man who was very sensitive and needed a lot of care and attention. he was very flattering at times, but that he was also someone with two personalities and he could get angry especially when talking about work.

he would wake up at night with bad dreams. he is someone that just getting i rat i can at times, and sometimes she was afraid of them. they were together for five months last year and then then split up. she says that she is shocked what she has heard now. >> she told the newspaper that he was very fearful of losing his job of a pilot. he had a childhood dream to be a pilot. what more will we learn. >> well the childhood would be one flying long distance. this is more of a short hall and immediate yaum hall plane. we know that he was in a flying job and that he had a medical problem. he was afraid that the medical problem would mean that the dream is destroyed. he was at the height on what he wanted to achieve. he was getting good records and saying that he was 150 percent

to fly. at the same time the pilots are evaluated and have to go through a medical check. he may have been fearful of losing all of that. >> do yes know that it included a psychological evaluation? >> that's a good question. they usually don't when you're already a pilot. when you want to become a pilot you get put through psychological checks all of the time. pretty much the whole process of becoming a pilot is a big collaboration. they have to do multitasking and just to make sure that the people are mentally tough and fit to fly a plane. he would have had to go through all of that, but we do know that he had the several months of breaking when doing the pilot training. >> officials are not saying why he took the break. the new york times reporting that he was being treated for depressi depression. officials are not say whag the illness is they will only say

that he is being treated for a medical condition. >> right. they're not saying how long he was being treated for a medical condition. there are saying that it was quiet a while. in his apartment she found extensive medical records and that he had this and that he was being treated and then sick notes that said he is not fit to fly. they're saying reporting that it might have been depression. >> the fact that he ripped up the doctor's note is telling that he was trying to hide the illness from the airline. we're going to be talking to you again soon. i want go to the crash site. the rescue workers have had obstacles getting to the access site. roads are being built.

there are two missions recovering the data box and then the bodies. we trekked right near the crash site, and he joins us more. >> reporter: morning pamela. that recovery operation continues in full swing. there are two helicopters that we have seen this morning and thinning out the recovery crews high into the mountains. this is being made tougher and being more rough because of the rain. yesterday we hiked into the mountains. it was a tough hike, but we thought that that it was important to get there and understand what the workers are facing. lts take a look.

>> i flew on germanwings here yesterday and i was trying to get a sense of what the motions were like and how passengers felt. it struck out to me that it was business as usual. the pilot itself did not take any extra steps to talk to the passengers or make announcements. producer of mine took another one and they took an extra initiative and talk today the passengers and addressed the crash knowing that some of them have been uneasy about what happen and the fact that the rules have chamged now for the airline in the wake of the crash that now there has to be two people in the cockpit at all-time itself f. the pilot leaves, you have to go in the cockpit. that's rule in place since 011 and now it's taking affect here in europe.

>> okay. thank you so much pamela outside of the headquarter yaurters. amanda knox and the legal troubles. it's all over now. what he said after over turned murder conviction. a school bus that caught fire with children on board. how the driver got the kids off before the engine exploded.

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right now investigators are working to peace together the life of andra who officials say was hiding an illness from his worker. so far no signs of motive.

cnn law enforcement am list joins me now and we're here with an amal sis as well. let's start with tom. the planes are equipped with so much technology. we're talking about controlling planes from the ground. could any of this fancy technology really prevent this kind of crash? >> allison, i don't think so. you know all of the things that they come up with will solve one problem, but not every problem, so even the you new rules of having a second person in the cockpit. if somebody like this was intent on killing everybody on the plane, maybe they will kill that person first and kill the remaining 148 later. you can not just solve every single problem. >> and that's a good point there that brings me to john. a question for you on the condition that he had. he had the notes from the doctor and one saying that he was not

fit the fly on the day of the crash. why are there any regulations for the doctor to contact the employer. someone dropped the ball here, didn't they? >> there are not communications for doing that. often times the physician may not know that the person is a pilot. it's really up to the pilot to notify the company that they're not capable of flying. in this case clearly the crew member had no interest in doing this. >> what about when they become pilots. is there drug testing or psychological testing or regular testing? >> there's random drug testing found on the flight. a crew member is notified that they will have a drug screening when they get in. they're not regular psychological testing and there's observational work going on. any time that they do simulator work and in fact i was involved

in a couple of cases where the simulator seemed to be deter appreciated and it turns out that there was an under lying problem that they were able to deal with medically. >> so pilots that could have psychological problems could be flying under the radar of the employer? >> sure. sure. how do you overcome that? >> the only way to overcome it really is to have a serious self-reporting method similar to the way that we have now and just trust that the pilots are going that fortunately. >> the fbi has been call in to assist in the investigation. what's the fbi going to offer the other agencies? >> well world wide data recovery and that the they have around the united states and around the

world. plus the fact that he went to flight school in arizona. he spent a considerable amount of time studying in the united states and would have had friends and teachers and classmates here that would be worth interview asking try to find out what the back ground was then. don't forget when the investigation started the concern also was whether or not he might have joined some extremist group and have an ideology motive for doing this opposed to maybe a more personal mental health issues with just himself. >> that has not been ruled out yet, has it? >> i think almost. we have not seen every document or e-mail. they're pretty much convince that had it looks like he did not have a motive that was political or religious or some other ideology. we know from the beginning that we did not have a plane that was shot down like the one in

ukraine or that exploded in midair because those planes tend to come down in separate large pieces opposed to this plane and it was obvious that it crashed into that mountain going 400 miles per hour. >> okay. john, thank you so much for the time and your analysis. >> you're welcome. there's a lot going on this morning. take a look at this. >> huge explosion in this bus fire, but we have to tell you about the rescue. the kids trapped inside and the efforts of the bus driver to get them out. plus new saudi air strikes. with the company close to civil war, can the leaders work to keep then coflick from spilling over the borders? ♪ yeah, girl ♪ you know, i've been thinking about us ♪ ♪ and, uh, i just can't fight it anymore ♪

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19 minutes past the hour now. we will have more on the germanwings crash and investigation. first a look at other stories developing now. after eight years amanda knox can put the high profile murder case behind her. late last night she made a brief statement after over turning her verdict on friday. >> you saved plimy life, and i so grateful. i am so grateful to have my life back. thank you. that's all that i can say. right now i am still absorbing what all of this means and what

comes to mind is my gratitude for the life that's been given to me. >> knox and her italian boyfriend were accused of murdering the roommate in 2007. knox was facing 28 years in prison. it's up to iran to make the compromises for the deal on the controversial program by tuesday's deadline. secretary of the state says process is being made, but he says we're not there yet. he is in switzerland with france, britain and russia to dry to hammer out an agreement. former secretary of state hilly clinton wiped the server clean and deleted all e-mails. clinton's lawyer informed him of the news. he said that clinton turnover

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we have details on the government's desertion case or bergdahl. we're learning what could be the defense. let's get details from the pentagon barbara star. >> after being charged before the enemy, bergdahls defense maybe taking shape. he told army investigators that he did not intend to desert. his plan and intention was to walk to the next nearest army outpost in eastern afghanistan in july 2009 in the middle of taliban country that he was walking to report and what he thought or believed at the time to be a lack of leadership, order and discipline in his unit. that was his intention. that's what army investigators

have been told. now whether this is a valid defense, a defense that the army will accept, remains to be seen. it may not matter what the intention was. he is facing a charge of desertion. this week we're learning new details of the condition that bergdahl was held in for five years after he was quickly captured by the taliban when he left his base. he faced five years of isolation, beatings and held in conditions that lead to illnesses, wounds on his body. all of this detailed by his lawyer in a release of the documents. gain all of this sup to the army justice system to decide if this is enough for those charges of desertion to either stick or to be dismissed. barbara star cnn the pentagon. ♪ >> this is cnn breaking news.

this morning new developments in the case of this co-pilot that deliberately reports say crashed the plane into the alps, this germanwings jet. >> reports of the past treatment for mental illness. that as investigators are trying to see why he would crash and killing himself and 149 other people. now, live outside of the germanwings. pamela? >> reporter: well good morning to you. this investigation is really spread out. we have an investigation here in germany and also of course in france at the french alps. we know that a rescue teams are still working to get to the crash site. they're trying to of course recover the bodies of 150 bodies there. we're being told that it could be a couple of weeks and they're trying to recover the black box and we're taking a look here of

the rescue teams that are in route to the french alps to the spot. we know the condition and there have been high winds and officials are try to go build the access road into the area. that could take a while. we will keep you updated on the develop ments there. it's the same napath that the forensics team took. that's where the co-pilot is from. that's where his parents live, and that's why investigators have been. cnn has been interviewing those that new him and we will take it from here with more on that. >> the house where andra's parents live in the german town of meaontevallo is guarded by t police. we were told that the grandparents lived in this nearby house, but they're

unwilling to speak about the man french prosecutors may have deliberately crashed flight 4925. i asked if they're relatives. no, thank god we're not. we're just trying to get away. >> but dploogliding was a passi >> he was a regular fixture of this gliding club where a senior member described him as a regular teenager and one that was committed to following his dream. >> translator: a very normal young person full of energy. what can i say. he had a bright future. he made the hobby into a job. what more can be explain. germanwings had 140 hours behind him and trained at the academy but they told c thrnn there hadn

some kind of a break. >> translator: with de rumps to the training and then aft. >> after then they continued the training and then also passed all medical tests, all flight examinations and all checks. whether that holds the key to this horror we don't know. he was silent but breathing as the pilot knocked depritly on the cockpit door. >> so disturbing. i want to bring in diana and you have been there for a few days and speaking to people that new lugitz and they seemed shocked about this, right? >> reporter: yeah, this does not fit into the image of lubitz as

a man. in all honestly this road that i am at has been swarmed by press as you can imagine for the last few days. most residence are refusings e speak to any of the press. it's hard to get comments from people that new him quit well. all on the floor the flags are flying at half mask. the house where the parents left on thursday morning to go moseul on the flight is still shattered. the parents have not returned presumably still in interrogation and in counseling with the police. one thing that you have all read that's lying around is the biggest german newspaper and headline siting that an

ex-girlfrie ex-girlfriend and her name is being changed. any way they say that this ex-girlfriend said that he had threatened one day everyone would know his name. that's there obviously a line that's circulating here as people talk about this terrible strate tragedy and the man's name that's on everybody's lips. >> okay. thank you very much. i am here in germany near the apartment of andra and they're there trying to piece together a motive. back to you. >> thank you so much. i want to talk about something that we just heard from diane is that friends and people that you new him well say that they did not see any signs or indicators like this. how typical is that?

>> well in so many situations that we see if it's a theater shooting on things like that that these individuals are able to maintain the ideal self and view that they want to world to see of them. they're able to hold it together and situations and public. it's when they do get around by themselves or a few people that they can get the real self-or the feel self-out. that's what is difficult for us to detect and other health professionals because the person only has to be on for the period of time. they know that they have to behave a certain way and officials and that. it's easy for people to hold that up and it's the long term observation to look at. >> the wall street journal and new york times reporting that he was treated for mental illness

from the diagnosis and the parent company of germanwings. we have a question from the you viewer and we have asked everyone to use the #germanwings qs. >> why is there nothing in place to flag those that should not fly? >> question. what kind should be in place? should it be every six months or every year? what's the right balance here? >> we're look at a fair situation that occur that is the ability for even screenings to catch this would still be minimal. it's reasonable to ask someone undergoes screening. now the different ways to test for that is objective tests and personality and mood. we can look at more approach and that looks at more underlining issues. to look at is there any trend in

brain wave propiles that may suggest a depressive episode or schizophrenia or other psychological issues. >> and there would be push back if you're doing that for every person. not just the pilot for the fright attendants or anyone involved with the maintenance of the plane. let's question before we go to the next segment. the german magazine is saying that he was going to do something so crazy that everybody would remember his name. >> how is it close to make a statement especially a pilot to say nothing if he said nothing medical professionals? >> a lot of people have -- he might have said a lot of things yochlt new every want to believe that someone can follow through on things. if this is someone's occupation and life, do not want to say the

same thing. if it ends in this situation, cowe want to leave with the ill will and that we impact the life. we have to exam all of these -- we did not want to hurt anyone's feelings and cause trushling. we will have a deeper conversation on that. dr. fisher, thank you so much. >> allison? >> the possibility of the airlines could hire pilots and it has many safety experts calling for cameras to be placed in all cockpits. would that detour the bad guys? explosions heard as it intensifies against rebel forces. we're going look at what parts the u.s. is playing in this. that's coming up.

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we're looking at new angles of german flight and 150 lives were lost including the co-pilot. german prosecutors say that he crashed the plane. >> this has reignited this the debate of cameras inside air cockpits. others consider it a violation of the pilot privacy. bryan todd looked into this. bryan? >> reporter: allison and victor safety experts are calling for cameras to be installed in cockpits. an eye inside could detour the pilots from wreckless behavior

and help investigators after a crash. a key question now is would a camera have made any difference in the germanwings crash? >> he locked himself a loan in the cockpit as the captain pounded on the door. now a bold move to avoid another disast de sass ter. >> the cameras would not be on the face of the pilot or co-pilot. thi they would focus on the things made. >> cameras in the cockpit is a deterre deterrent to bad behavior. what can they detect? >> you can see what they're seeing on the panels and screens. you can see what they're doing with the hands. >> cameras wiould not give them

that much but lynn spencer said that planes could catch certain moments that the voice and data recorders may miss. >> was the pilot shocking or having a seizure. >> it's already on the margrket but one said that no one has bought the cameras. they're use today monitor key missions like the launch to the space station. there used to be a train operator or taxi or bus driver caught look at this one and then caught crashing. >> cockpit video could be live streamed in real time and alto the expensive and installing cameras could be prohibited. cockpit cameras could have provided key evidence in some of the most great disasters in aviation. >> if we had cameras in the cockpit in 9/11, we can could

see how they killed the pilots and got in. >> they're against the idea and saying that cockpit individual your is subject to miss interpretation and may lead investigators away from accurate conclusions. >> they're worried about a video leaking and say that voice data clips have been made public in past cases over seas and no pilot wants the final moments to be posted over the internet. as one pilot said i do not want my spouse or children or grandchildren or strangers to be able to watch me die. allison and victor? new saudi air strikes with yemen with the country in a civil war. can leaders work to keep from spilling the borders? tension grows in the hoosier state that passes and says that some can discriminate against

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new developments this morning with the crisis in yemen. military operations there have taken key rebel targets out, and that there's word that a major announcement is set for later today. this as huge explosions are heard in the countries capital after the second day of the campaign targeting the milita.

this group has taken over the capital in yes, ma'amyemen. that's where the country's president was staying before he fled the country. let's bring in lieutenant. good morn to ing to you. >> good morning allison. >> where is it so important to the u.s.? >> yemen is an interesting place. this event or the country effort from the gulf lead by the kingdom of saudi is trying to get them to stop fighting and get the representatives back to the table with the elected government of president hati. we have been asked just to provide some support in this. this is a critical care because of the organization that make the do main in the small

country. >> but they're backed or allied with irans government, and this is a situation for the u.s. on the one some would say ostracizing israel. then the u.s. fighting against or maybe taking a role against iran, via the houthis. to protect yemen. what say this about the u.s. in all this? >> i think too many people truthfully are making this into a proxy war and looking at it between riyadh versus tehran, the houthis backed by the iranian rebels. this is more of an internal and parochial conflict in yemen going on for some time. certainly has turned into a civil war.

there are some that think it will turn into something bigger. right now this is just being led by internal drivers to the country, and truthfully, what i think saudi arabia's attempting to do and asked for our help to do this, is to get the elected representative government back in power. when mr. haddy left office i think it surprised the houthis. they weren't looking for abdication of the government. they were looking to try to influence more. when he left i think it surprised that rebel group. >> yes or no, do you think the u.s.'s role proxy or not in the yemeni war that's going on, is that going to hurt a nuclear deal with iran? >> it will certainly affect it. i don't think it will hurt it but it's critically important as part of the negotiations and i think that's why we're tip toeing around some of these areas and why we should not get involved directly. >> thanks for your analysis.

>> thank you. back to our coverage of the germanwings plane crash. we'll take a closer look at the background of the pilot andreas lubitz and new details of his mental health. this german tabloid magazine reporting details of an interview with an ex-girlfriend. we'll take you live to cologne, germany. also, new tensions in indiana after the passage of this religious freedom bill now law signed by the governor. some say it helps businesses discriminate against the gay and lesbian communities. well, here's the question. should the final four stay in indianapolis? we'll talk with the basketball greats about that. female vo: i actually have a whole lot of unused vacation days, but where am i gonna go? i just don't have the money to travel right now. i usually just go back home to see my parents, so i can't exactly go globe-trotting.

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let's talk about this new law in indiana, some say it could make it easier for relingous conservatives to refuse services to gay couples. it's touched off a fire storm of controversy. >> protesters for and against the new legislation turned out in the state capitol this week. passage of the measure has been described by advocates as protecting religious freedom. it also has drawn concerns by the ncaa which willhold its final four games in indianapolis. charles barkley weighed in saying this. discrimination in any form is unacceptable to me as long as anti-gay legislation exists in any state i believe big events such as the final four and super bowl should not be held in those states' cities. >> chester has been following

this story. and we're hearing more people chiming in on this discussion. >> exactly, victor. this legislation was passed on thursday, but it's a divisive bill with national implications so the controversy is not going to die down. opponents shout out frustration. supporters applaud. as indiana governor mike pence signed into measure will allow businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers the governor says will uphold freedom. >> this is not about discrimination. >> the back lash fast and furious. the ncaa which is holding its men's basketball final four in indianapolis next weekend saying it's concerned about the impact on players and employees. and warns it's going to rethink future events. openly gay nba player jason

collins tweeted is it going to be legal for someone to discriminate against me and oty others when we come to the final four. ceosing denounced the bill and could affect business. opponents of the law point to famous cases of bakeries that refused to make wedding cakes for gay couples and found guilty of discrimination. saying now indiana businesses could turn away gay customers on religious grounds. but the governor insists it couldn't be used that way. >> this legislation restricts government action, it doesn't apply to disputes between private parties unless government action is involved. >> last year arizona republican governor jan brewer vetoed a similar bill amid threats to the super bowl being held there. other states have similar legislation but activists say the indiana law is one of the most sweeping. and reaction could impact whether other states take up the

cause. in fact, arkansas also just passed a very similar legislation so there are now 20 states with some kind of religious freedom bill on the books. at the same time there was a bill discussed in georgia and with all of this controversy some republican legislators stepped forward and said no, let's add anti-discrimination language so it cannot be used to turn away gay customers. what this comes down to is states are laying the groundwork for a ruling expected later this year that could legalize same-sex marriage when it comes to the supreme court. >> yes, so this is about more than one state and one law really a national conversation. shasta darlington live for us, thank you. stay here. we've got a plot coming up this morning. >> for our international viewers newsroom is next. for us the next hour of your "new day" starts now.

new revelations about the co-pilot of germanwings flight 9525. did he hide depression from his bosses? should they have been aware of his condition? >> we're going to go high into the french alps to get a unique view of the dangerous and grim recovery efforts and our panel is going to be discussing and answering your questions that you've been tweeting about this. >> an interesting twist in this hillary clinton e-mail saga. her private server wiped clean according to a republican congressman. no more e-mails on it. we'll talk about that. your "new day" continues now. good morning. i'm alison kosik in for christi paul. >> we're going to start with developments about the crash of flight 9525. recovery teams are racing to bring back the bodies of those who died in this tragic plane crash. officials say they are making good progress but it could take

several weeks before this process is complete. >> meantime, the hunt is on for a second, key second black box. the search efforts complicated by the rough terrain and intensely high winds on the mountain. >> so back in dusseldorf, investigators have been combing through the apartment of co-pilot andreas lubitz. the german prosecutor said that a ripped up doctors notes were found. a local paper is reporting that lubitz had been treated for mental illness. >> pamela brown is anchoring our coverage from colone, she is outside the headquarters of germanwings. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. germanwings officials are staying tight-lipped not addressing these new revellations that andreas lubitz had an illness. german officials are only saying that he was having a medical condition being treated by a doctor and that doctor gave him a note of absence even on the day that he authorities

according to authorities, deliberately crashed the flight into the french alps. now the "wall street journal," "the new york times" and others are reporting that he was being treated for depression and the largest newspaper here in germany, a tabloid newspaper, apparently interviewed his ex-girlfriend who said that he had two different personalities, that he was sweet, caring, needy for attention. on the other hand she said he would get very angry and that he was paranoid about losing his job as a pilot. a dream since childhood and he was fearful of losing his job. fred is also in germany and has more. fred. >> reporter: investigators are continuing to try to find out what drove andreas lubitz to crash his plane into the french alps. of course right now the big thing that they are focusing on

is his medical records. we learned yesterday from the state prosecutor that they raided properties that he stayed at, both in the town of montabaur where he was staying with his parents as well as his brother and in the town of dusseldorf. we know that in the town of dusseldorf they found extensive medical records and those showed that he was going for treatment for an ongoing ailment. also that he had a sick note for the day of that doomed flight. so he wasn't actually supposed to be at work. the big question here now is, what exactly was that ailment? was it a mental problem or was it more of a physical problem? there are various german and international media outlets saying he was suffering from something like depression. none of that has been corroborated yet by the authorities here or by the germanwingings airline. they say they never received the note and that leads them to believe and the public prosecutor to believe that andreas lubitz was trying to hide his ailment from his

employer. the newspaper of germany claims to have an interview with an ex-girlfriend. in that she describes him as a very sensitive man, someone who needs a lot of attention but could also be flattering but also a man who had a very dark side, someone who for instance, would wake up in the middle of the night with bad dreams, got into fights with her as well, in the end she says that they split up. so, piece by piece the authorities, of course the media as well, trying to piece together what exactly happened on that flight, why he crashed that flight into the alps. >> reporter: thank you. not far from where i am in cologne is a medical clinic that apparently treated andreas lubitz. i visited that clinic yesterday and we're being told that he visited back in february as recently as march 10 but this clinic is making it clear that he was not being treated for depression.

there is still a lot of unanswered questions here. >> familiar pamela, thank you. >> we're getting different portraits of the co-pilot andreas lubitz. one friend says he was normal, nice, he was even happy. there are also reports which cnn is looking into that he got psychiatric treatment and even woke up screaming from nightmares. joining me to talk about this is a forensic psychiatrist. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so what do you think, does it sprils you that these different images are emerging about andreas lubitz? >> no, actually. it doesn't surprise me because what happens is that people like this can show a certain face when they feel like it. and then in unguarded moments when they lose their cool and control they can act out angr y angrily. it depends what you get that time of day. >> again it's this german newspaper the magazine reporting that lubitz' ex-girlfriend says

he woke up screaming from nightmares but he didn't say anything to his employer. i mean, is there any way that the employer can really keep track of this kind of behavior? >> well, sure. of course. we can have better filters, we've gotten so enamored of technology that we have check list psychiatry. i don't know how much they get into psychological evaluation beyond just that. but the primary issue really is to reframe it. this man isn't primarily depressed. that's not the fundamental issue with him. he is primarily or was a very angry individual, and over time that anger turned him into a mass murderer. what happens is the depression you see comes from the fact that you've got anger in your heart and you're blaming the rest of the world for many humiliations and rejections that you're getting. >> and if he does go ahead and tell his employer that he's got this medical issue, there's that stigma that follows him, could

he be at risk of being fired? >> well, certainly. we have seen that this is something that the airlines take seriously, but they are depending on the people who are evaluating him and the people evaluating him have a mechanical view of things, and too often what we see and i see this all the time in my practice, is that people are diagnosed as depressed when they are fundamentally really very angry and then they get depressed because they can't work well with the world. they keep getting rejected, get humiliat humiliated. don't do well in their job, don't get girlfriends to stay with them. this is what causes them the sense that depression needs to be treated when it's anger. >> there are reports that he took a leave in 2008 for several months from his pilot training. what alarm bells does that raise and should that have raised alarm bells for the airline? >> well, we know so very little about this actually, i can speculate but i would guess that what they are calling burn-out was really the fact that when he

might not have done so well he had to repeat classes, when he didn't do so well he became very angry, and probably became sort of made it everybody else's fault he wasn't doing well, held that inside and that caused a sense of burn-out that made him leave for a year and a half. >> so we are asking viewers to tweet us questions at #german wings qs. it's not saying what it was for. so here's what one of our viewers wants to know. he asks if the law allows the clinic to reveal what they were not treating, why can't they reveal what they were treating? what's your response to that? >> well, i don't know specifically confidentialitile laws in germany of course. in the u.s. a person is thought to have a psychiatric condition that puts others in imminent

danger then we do have policies that allow us to take that person out of circulation so to speak. so the big question is how is that communicated in lufthansa, what are their policies, was this doctor affiliated with the industry. we don't know these things but what we do know is that if a person does have dreadful psychiatric condition with thoughts of taking a plane down, clearly those kinds of things need to be communicated to superiors. >> how upsetting that investigators found those notes ripped up showing that he should not have flown that day. >> well, it dutz say something that he ripped it up and threw it in a waste sket. wasn't left on his desk. this was an angry dismissal it seems like. >> doctor, thanks for your analysis. >> if you have questions send them to us on twitter and use

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co-pilot of the crashed germanwings flight. some of andreas lubitz's friends saying he was a normal person but there are doctors notes showing he was suffering from a medical condition indeed deemed unfit to fly according to the german prosecutor. a fact he hid. this the was a mental illness. let's bring in tom fuentes and a former commercial airline captain and aviation analyst. good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> tom, i want to start with you. we know this co-pilot had been hand gliding. reuters reporting that a hand gliding acquaintance says that lubitz was familiar with this area. does that offer any material information to any investigation or is it coincidental? >> i think it's probably coincidental. if he takes that flight regularly he would be very

familiar with going back and forth over the alps between france and germany or spain and germany. >> there is the consideration that this entire plane if it was something that was in the works for a while depended on when the captain went to the restroom so he couldn't time that in the flight. les, i next. the ceo of lufthansa said in the hours after the crash that the co-pilot was 100% fit to fly. we know about these notes saying he was unfit to work and these comments from this ex-girlfriend to a german newspaper. how could the ceo even know that, how could that be something he could determine? >> it's a great question. he couldn't. the ceo, i'm still currently flying for my airline, there is no way my ceo would have knowledge of that. i mean, this whole thing i take personally. the fact that there was a lot of signs before all of this happened. this was an accident investigation before the crash. we have a lot of mechanisms in place to be able to determine

our health and our fitness to fly, and this gentleman apparently had issues even before he got to the cockpit of a lufthansa plane. >> let's talk about the psychological testing. what is this like? are they simple questions if someone is trying to mislead the people who grade these, who determine the physical and mental fitness, could someone do that? >> well, i think it's -- we discussed this before, but mostly the psychological aspect to these tests occur at the initial hiring process. my memory fades me a little bit, but back over 30 years ago it's similar i'm certain of it, but we were given a test that involved personal questions, do we like our mother, do we hate our mother, things of that nature. just certain key elements that would say that maybe there's some issues. did we have -- we had to self

disclose, do we have depression, so on. and then in the middle of that we were doing stress type tests where one of the examples i can give you is that we listen to an airline traffic control tape talking with pilots during a thunderstorm event and then do geometry and math problems. and try -- the questions were asked later can we relay what happened with these particular questions. in other words, what did air traffic control say to such and such. do we have the ability to multitask which would also mean do we have psychological problems perhaps if we can't multitask in a typical pilot role. >> tom, you think cameras should be in the cockpit? >> i think you know, i think they will help. they wouldn't have anything to do with preventing what happened here, but certainly we've had enough question in other incidents, you know, that would to me would warrant it. we want to put cameras on police

officers because we want to know if they shot a person they shouldn't have shot. i don't know of an incident where a police officer shot 149 other people. >> i wonder, these cameras in cockpits, whether they are on the controls, if they are on the faces. who is sitting and watching these live streams of hundreds, maybe more than 1,000 cameras real time and what can any one on the ground who is monitoring them do about it? >> i think nobody on the ground would be monitoring real time. nobody on the ground could do anything even if they were monitoring. it would be, again, part of the investigation in reconstruction of what happened later. just like putting a camera on a police officer isn't going to stop -- nobody else is going to stop him from doing what he's going to do. it will tell you what happened after the fact. >> tomhank you so much. all of this technology in the world can't stop something like that. >> the question is even if with this new two-person rule could a second person if a flight attendant was in there --

>> they can. >> is hell bent on taking this plane down. >> he is going to take out the second person first. let's move on to a different story. new progress for a coalition fighting rebels in yemen. why saudi arabia is claiming to have achieved key military goals and how the u.s. is doing its part. reminder if you have questions about the germanwings crash send them to us at twitter. we're going to answer them in the next half hour.

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our coverage of the germanwings investigation. first, new developments this morning with the crisis in yemen. saudi arabia says that military operations have taken out key rebel targets and there is word a major announcement is set for later today. after two days of air strikes saudi officials say they have taken out all main air defense systems controlled by the houthi militia, this group has taken over the capital and captured an air base along with key parts of the port city of adden where the country's president was staying before he fled. >> let's bring in military analyst james "spider" marks. good to have you this morning. let's start with the u.s. level of support. the u.s. says it supports these efforts led by saudi arabia. do you expect that it supports them enough or cares enough to get involved to a greater degree? >> certainly cares enough. i guarantee you that. at this point the united states

is wise to provide what it can in terms of intelligence support, any requests for logistics, the evacuation of personnel, removal of the personnel may be to the horn of africa a short distance where the united states has a robust and secure presence. and they will continue primarily in terms of observing and providing intelligence, and even targeting data as necessary to the coalition, that's conducting air strikes led by the saudis right now. let there be no doubt the united states is highly interested, they are not going to engage themselves directly and this really is the start of what i would call a war by proxy, saudi arabia does not like what's happening on the peninsula, nor does the united states, nor do the regional partners, and this is a clear example of iranian expansion taking place in iraq, taking place now in yemen, it needs to be stopped. it needs to be checked. that's what the saudis are

about. >> let's talk about this war by proxy from the angle of the u.s. relationship with iran. the houthis, iranian allied, and the u.s. now in these talks about the nuclear program in iran. how does one affect the other? >> this is all connected. i find it ironic that the leader of hezbollah indicated that this should move to some peaceful negotiations when shiite involvement is distinctive, it's precise, it's inarguable part of a larger strategy on the part of tehran so needs to be checked. when you have the overarching negotiations where the united states rightfully is entering into negotiations with iran in term also of its nuclear development that needs to be controlled. all of this under that umbrella, that's the larger concern. you have a lot of mischief and

activity and that's what you see right now. not unusual to us at all to see this. >> so, the saudi king says that this military intervention will continue until quote unquote security is brought to yemen. security is a very vague sometimes, malyou'll word. what do you think the king means? >> he wants to make sure that former president hadi remains secure, remains protected where he is in aden. until there are forces on the ground that are countering the houthi rebels, you're going to see in yemen not unlike what you see in iraq right now where you end up containing these elements, you may be able to stop them where they are but you're not going to ever get to the point where you want to destroy them. so from the united states perspective we are supportive of what saudi arabia is trying to achieve. security is as you describe elusive definition. everybody has their own definition. if the you keep hadi in place,

keep the houthis isolated in a certain area you can begin the effort. >> major general james "spider" marks, good to have you. >> thanks very much. >> thanks, victor. the university of oklahoma reveals the results of investigation into a racist chant caught on video. it appears the fraternity members the have learned the song four years ago but it's where they learned it that is even more shocking. that story coming up. and our coverage of germanwings 9525 is continuing. we're going to high into the french alps to get a view of the angerous and grim recovery effort. our panel is going to continue answering your questions about the crash.

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the hour now. welcome back to "new day." you're watching our continuing coverage pushing forward on this crash investigation of flight 9525. right now recovery teams are working to bring back the bodies of those who died in this tragic plane crash. officials say they are making progress but it could take several weeks before this process is complete. >> meantime, in germany investigators have been combing through the apartment of co-pilot andreas lubitz. the german prosecutor said ripped up doctors notes were found and a local paper is reporting that lubitz had been treated for mental illness. >> our panel this morning, pamela brown in cologne, germany, with us cnn aviation

analyst and former boeing captain les abend, and dr. lisa van susteren. >> we have several questions submitted on twitter. first up, it's required for military and government agency personnel to pass polygraph tests, can the same standard be mandatory for pilots? brian, let's have you answer that. >> well, i think that that's going to be a question that will be scrutinized as a result of this tragedy, and you'll have to just balance privacy concerns with some of the safety issues that are there as to what heightened evaluation and monitoring processes will be required. we've heard a lot of discussion in the last day about what's in place presently. i think one thing that's noteworthy is that presently the faa, for example, once the red

flag goes up will require psychiatric and psychological evaluations to be done. i think the question now is what do we do to ferret out and determine if these issues are there in the first instance. that's the challenge. >> a medical question here so doctor, this comes to you. does depression seem to be or say have a stigma in other countries, many people aren't open about it. what is the status of the stigma related to depression overseas? >> well, the status of depression generally is that people feel very embarrassed about being depressed. and of course in some places much more than others. i think the real issue here is not to look so much at this guy as being primarily depressed as primarily angry because what it does do is it increases the stigma talking about depression. he was essentially an angry man and as a result of his anger probably rebuffed people so he got humiliated by girlfriends,

didn't do well at work, so all of those things lead him to feel depressed. it's not primarily depression as we think of it and that adds to the stigma when we don't talk that way. >> pamela, this one for you. why is there no mechanism in place to have doctors notify airlines or licensing body that's available to flag those that should not fly? what are you learning in your reporting? >> we're learning there is a mechanism in place for doctors designated by the civil aviation authority here but not from private doctors because of patient confidentiality. in order for a pilot to be sorted they have to go through a medical screening by one of these designated doctors at various centers across europe. now, if a pilot is deemed unfit to fly by one of these doctors, that is the recorded in the employee's medical record and then reported to the employer. so, in the case of lubitz, if

the something was found that would have been reported to germanwings. however, it appears he went to a private doctor and private doctors are not required to report to an employer if someone's unfit to work because as i said, the patient/doctor rules. >> les, you next, the streaming cameras we talked about last segment. what about streaming flight data for lost and hard to find black boxes? is that reasonable? someone would be watching these thousands of hours of flight in planes every single isn't of every day. could they just be recorded and saved on some hard drive on ground? >> well, honestly, they are used right now. we have mechanism in place where the flight -- digital flight data recorder is actually pulled by maintenance and then we track certain aspects of the flight

just to determine trends if we have safety issues. we catch them before they become real issues. so it's happening right now. live streaming data is also available, actually, but mostly through engine parameters. as far as the data being streamed, you know, this requires band width, a lot of other circumstances and we have to figure out what are we accomplishing by constantly sending this data. does it help, is it cost effective? obviously this wouldn't have done anything to prevent this tragedy. >> and this last question for brian. who foots the bill for this most accident search? is it the airlines? >> well, typically there's the governmental bodies that are in charge of the investigation will be in charge of taking care of all of the necessary steps to

recover the wreckage and the black boxes and the other tasks involved. the governments usually will foot the bill for that. the airlines may be asked to participate as well. there may be insurance aspects to it as well to cover the cost. >> thanks to all of you. thanks for your analysis on all of this. keep tweeting us questions at #germanwings q,s. >> the conditions that these recovery teams are dealing with are dangerous and gruesome, many aspects we'll take you near the crash site to show you what they are battling. why it will take at least a couple weeks before the bodies are recovered. politics, more on hillary clinton's e-mails, the republican congressman explains the newest problem with clinton's e-mail. we'll talk about that. ♪ turn around

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let's get back to our coverage on germanwings 9525. the plane was traveling at 430 miles per hour and now recovery teams are tasked with the gruesome, difficult and dangerous job, they have to find all of the bodies and recover the second flight data recorder. that's a hard enough job. now we're talking about doing all of that in the alps. our cakarl penhaul, what was th like to get a look? >> reporter: it was certainly

tough going to get in there. in the words of all of the investigators they say the terrain is dangerous and it's mountainous. it took most of the day to get in and get out. it was very tough going. it was also important i felt to get in there just so we get a better understanding of why this operation could take many more days. or even weeks to complete. take a look. swinging on a wire, they recover the remains. holland tunnel dreads of feet below emergency crews cling to the mountainside just so they don't fall. investigators say the speed of the crash pulverized the plane and passengers. the recovery operation they say is bit by bit, bag by bag. you can just pick out the small red flags rescuers dig into the earth when they discover new fragments. and that looks like a scorch mark. the french prosecutors said the

plane hit the mountain, boujsed off and then disintegrated. it's a tough hike through rugged mountains and steep valleys. a little while before dawn but we're going toward a trail head. in order to understand why some rescuers describe this as their biggest ever challenge we try to get closer to the crash zone. there is a little bit of frost. now the sun is coming down. no sign of snow yet. few people except shepherds live here, conditions are too inhospitable. >> hanging on to tree roots and grass. you can see why they have to fly anything out by helicopter. the whir helps us pinpoint the site. we see forensic teams working

with expert mountaineers to keep them safe. high winds make flying treacherous. saying farewell is never easy, but perhaps those grieving could find a little consolation amid these craigs, peace of the running water, peace of snow-capped peaks. peace to loved ones lost. what really struck me was seeing those rescue and recovery workers almost clinging on with their finger nails to the side of the ravine where the crash is. and then of course to see the otherecovery workers clinging being buffeted by the high wind. it did give me a good picture to show me that the dedication of these teams is such they are

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we'll get back to the germanwings crash investigation in a moment. former secretary of state hillary clinton has been scrutinized for the use of a personal e-mail server. now it appears clinton's server was wiped clean and all of her e-mails on that server are gone. that's according to a republican congressman, trey gowdy. he asked that clinton turn over her serve tear the state department inspector generally for independent review. her lawyers said no. instead, clinton turned over 55,000 pages of e-mails to the state department, that was back at the end of last year.

let's talk about the ramifications of this new information with strategist lisa booth, the and democratic strategist maria cardona. >> good morning. >> lisa, first to you. how does -- you know, let me start with maria. why wipe these server clean if indeed all that was left were personal e-mails, like yoga rue teens and wedding plans like she said, why wipe it clean? >> why keep those? let's unpack this for a minute. a couple things on the request from chairman gowdy. he himself said not too long ago that he did not have the authority to demand for the server to be turned over. number one. number two, the new subpoena it actually amplifies an old

subpoena on documents having to do with benghazi. guess what, secretary clinton and her team turned over 55,000 pages of all of her work e-mails from the complete tenure she had at the state department, and many of those e-mails were already in the hands of the committee, and the state department is going through the additional ones and those will be in the hands of the committee as well. in addition, secretary clinton asked for all of those e-mails to be made public. why do people want to see her personal e-mails victor? why does gowdy want to see her yoga routines, see her e-mails about funeral plans or wedding plans? that's just creepy. and it has nothing to do with the work of the committee. frankly, to me, it wreaks of desperation and overreach because out of the thousands and thousands of documents that have already been turned over, after ten complete investigations from different committees, after

thousands on thousands of taxpayer money that has been devoted to this investigation, they have found zero, nada. they are trying to make a lot out of this. >> of course the suggestion is or the expectation is there is more than the yoga routines and these plans. let me come to you, lisa. the question is when was this server cleared? gowdy says that he believes that it was sometime in october or after october when those e-mails that were sent to the state department are harvested, that could have been any time before or after that news conference that the former secretary of state held. do you think the committee will go through trying to get an answer to that at least? >> i hope they do. the real question is what is hillary clinton trying to hide? and to maria's point on benghazi there's several months of e-mail train from the state department that's missing, missing information. so you know, i think what the house committee is doing is trying to get to the bottom of

this. look, the reality is hillary clinton is living in a house of lies that she built. she continues to peddle falsehoods and lies regarding her private server and private e-mails and she's gone to great lengths to keep that information from ever surfacing. look, "the new york times" just recently disproved another claim of hillary clinton's when she said that she e-mailed with other state department officials on their official accounts so that information was captured. that turned out not to be true, she was having official correspondence on solely private e-mails. we may never see that information and we don't know if any of those e-mails were del e delet deleted. it's not just the issue of the private server that is concerning for america. a white house spokesperson said that she broke ethic codes with the clinton foundation taking money from foreign governments and foreign groups like one publicly linked to iran. look, we've also new revelations have surfaced that her brother profited when she was secretary

of state, from receiving preferred treatment from department of homeland security so look, there is this broader narrative of distrust, this broader narrative of entitlement and that hillary clinton doesn't play by the same rules that the rest of us do. >> maria, back to you. we're going to have to wrap it after this. but if this had been cleared, this server had been wiped clean, before the news conference that former secretary clinton held would she not have said it then instead of this will remain private. she would have said this server will remain private and by the way, there are no e-mails on here from that period. wouldn't she have said that? >> she actually said, vick terk was she erased her personal e-mails so again, gowdy is making -- gowdy -- yes, actually we do, lisa, and to your point, she is being held to a higher standard that -- and no one else will be held to including former secretaries who also did exactly what she did. >> they did not. they did not use the private

server. >> let me finish. and in fact, secretary powell did did use a private server, and trey gowdy by the way, wouldn't have the authority to ask for that server either, and secretary powell said he wiped that server clean. so again, she did nothing that her predecessors didn't do, she broke no laws, and moving forward if republicans want to focus on benghazi, let's focus on benghazi. she has said that she will come and testify again. she scolded them the first time she went to testimony and i'm sure again. >> we've got to wrap it up. >> this is about -- this is all about overreach and desperation on behalf of the gop. >> the white house misthread american people. >> we have to wrap it up. what's important here is that this was the exclusive use of a personal e-mail server so that is something that did not happen

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