do an angioplasty and solved it. day before yesterday, a flutter. i don't think i'll reach my father's 94. >> he was right. lee kuan yew died on march 23th at the age of 91 and that is our show today. thanks to you for being part of it. i'll see you next week. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com and good morning. i'm frank sesno sitting in for brian stelter. from the plane crash in the appleapp app -- alps but first, the crash of germanwings 9525 and we start with breaking news on the final moments of the flight. new details from the cockpit voice recorder.

joining us from germany is fred what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi frank excerpts from that transcript from the cockpit voice recording have been made public by a german newspaper which is a large tabloid called "the build." in the beginning stages it seems this is a normal flight however, you're at that point the captain of the flight tells the co-pilot the man who would later crash the plane he forgot to go to the bathroom before taking off in barcelona. this is key because the moment that the captain went to the bathroom was when he was locked out by the co-pilot and that plane crashed into the mountainside. it appears as though the co-pilot at several times along the early stages of the flight keeps reminding the captain didn't you want to do to the bathroom? you can go now any time. then at some point the captain does indeed leave the cockpit. it happens after that frank, is absolutely chilling according to the transcript that of course we

can't verify but what published in this newspaper. at 10:29 local time, air traffic radar detects the plane is beginning descend. three minutes later air traffic control tries to make contact but gets no response by the man in the cockpit. after that a loud bang is heard on the door. the captain can be heard saying forgod sake open the door. it's the first time passengers can be heard screaming. at 10:35 a loud metallic bang can be heard on the door at this point. the plane is at 7,000 meters. 90 seconds later, another alarm goes off saying terrain pull up. at this point the plane is at 5,000 meters and the captain can be heard screaming open the door. at 10:38 the plane is descending very close to the french alp. the pilot can be heard breathing normally. very close to the terrain because remember we're in a mountainous area. at 10:40 the right wing scrapes

a mountain top and screams can be heard for one more time and then the recording breaks off. absolutely chilling detail that we're getting there, frank, from that transcript that the "build" newspaper of germany published today. >> frank, i want to ask about the newspaper report coming from the tabloid "build." are they giving an indication where they got this? do they know this is for real? >> reporter: it's unnamed sources they are attributing this to. they say they got the transcript and putting part of the transcript out there. there is no real sourcing and as far as being able to verify it of course it's impossible at this point in time this is however, i have to say, a newspaper that's very well connected into german security services. one that is obviously considered a tabloid here but certainly one that does put a lot of muscle, a lot of resources into the stories that it does. the front page story just today

they had more than ten writers work on that story alone. >> fred stay with us. i want to bring in cnn's business and aviation correspondent richard quest. what do you make of this and in particular disturbing if "build" isn't offering any at bugs where it got this. >> what is disturbing is the cockpit voice recorder transcripts are almost never released until the final report or one of the reports. they will always release in the context of an analysis from the official investigating authority. the reason for that is because they are among the most private and most important part of an air accident investigation. here we have an occasion where clearly, somebody who heard it and let's remember this thing was only brought out on

wednesday, was only listened to and revealed on thursday. somebody who has heard it has now revealed further details of it. one other thing, frank, there is nothing new in this transcript. we knew the moment the prosecutor spoke on thursday morning. all this is doing if you like is adding the detail to what we've already known. >> well do you consider this richard, some kind of breach of protocol in investigations such as this or stories such as this? >> oh there is no question in my mind it's a breach. absolutely. >> should "build" not have reported it? >> we shouldn't have had this leaked. i'm an aviation journalist and for me to say something shouldn't be leaked is perhaps, i can see the irony of that. but cockpit voice recorders are

amongst the most private parts of investigation of life because they show what people were doing when they were struggling to prevent death and that's why this is so significant. somebody in the investigation and remember the french pilot's union is complaining about the fact that a senior french military official leaked the original thing, there was a co-pilot that crashed the plane. there is a difference between leaking the core fact and leaking the individual document which has the detail details that frankly the families don't need to know yet and we don't need to know. >> all right. richard quest, thanks very much. we're going to look at more of this and a number of issues as we carry on in our conversation. fred i want to come back to you. bring us up to speed on what else is taking place in the investigation because that's unfolding in realtime as well.

fred? i'm sorry, i think fred is has gone on to cover on other parts of the story now. so when we look at stories like this and when stories unfold in real terms like this like the germanwings plane crash, every news organization rushes to break the story first both online and on the air whether it's the voice cockpit recorder or other elements but critical to get the story right. when developments unfold before our very eyes, how can reporters and anchors get it right and what i refer to is the language of live? is how the news broke on "new day" tuesday morning. >> four five or six job offer as for every new college graduate sounds like a great promise. fact check, president obama has seen robust job growth on his watch, 2014 the best year for job growth since. >> joining me now is an anchor on "new day" and been covering this story since it broke from

6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. every day. thanks for coming in. appreciate your time. >> i'm really glad to speak with you frank, as always. >> my pleasure. take us onset. you're in the middle of an event, somebody is talking, suddenly you hear in your ear something terrible happened and you're off to the races here and trying to navigate what you know what you hear and what you can confirm. how difficult is that? >> it is a really difficult task and there are so many things frank, as you well know that you have to balance. the great thing about our show on "new day" is it's a three-anchor team. i think i was in the middle of doing a hit with christine romans and the news broke. they were able to inform the other two anchors what was happening while i was doing the report with her. they were brought up to speed so they broke the news. while that was happening, they brought me up to speed. up to speed, what does that mean? at that point as you'll recall we only know a plane had gone off radar and they were not sure

where it was. and so a lot of things happen in those critical moments. you have people behind the scenes. it takes a huge team of people to put on any broadcast. the people in our control room are feverishly working to find out from their sources and from our reporters overseas because you have a challenge here. not only is this breaking now but it's breaking in another country. so you have language barriers et cetera time delay differences. they were trying to figure out where this was going on. so you have them fevererishly working with our international desk trying to verify the information they have decide what we feel comfortable going with because there will be a lot of people as you mentioned, they want to get to the news first and break it. it's really important for us here at cnn to get it right. we want to make sure we get it right. >> how do you navigate between what you hear and what you know and confirm because that is the most dangerous part of the story like this -- >> that's -- >> and the media often takes its

lumps. >> look we take our lumps here too. it's a really tricky proposition. you know the relationship between producer and reporters or the talent reporters and anchors and correspondents is so important. so important we trust one another and respect one another because in times like this the chips are down. you have to rely on one another. it is a tough thing to do. if anything we'll wait to make sure that we get conferirmation of something before we go with it and that is always hard because you know that you're trying to inform. you don't want to leave dead air, but at the same time especially when there is emotion and tragedy and mass casualties and deaths involved you don't want to get that wrong. you really don't want to get that wrong. >> i talk about this thing, this language of live and it's where you aren't getting information but you know that that information may change. if you -- >> yeah. >> -- state it categorically and prove to be wrong, you lose your

audience and get tremendous criticism and have as you mentioned, potential victims, people who have died families who have not yet heard, they may hear something first from you on the media. how do you navigate that mirky place? >> we try to reset and say this is what we know. this is what we do not know. we'll check in with our core correspondents correspondents. fred is there. we have correspondents overseas working this story non-stop. we'll have one of them one of our producers will get on the phone or e-mail and find out if they can confirm something we heard reports of. we try to keep each other honest as best we can. in fact we had an incident the other day. we found ourselves, you get yourselves going with the information and then some of the details being not leaked out that were being released were really grisly and really horrifying and it goes beyond the sensitivities, our own

sensitivities and taking into consideration the potential families. at this point, we didn't know where the people who were in the crash, where they were from what parts of the world but we knew those were human beings. >> michaela did you report the grizzly details? >> at one point we talked about the fact there were screams and i'll leave it at that. we found ourselves saying okay let's go back to what we do know. let's go back to what we do know. let's recount the facts as they stand. a plane crashed. they believe it's crashed somewhere between barcelona and we know that. it's interesting how you can -- you know how it is. you can get caught up in the moment and you have to -- this is why and you understand this too, frank, it is important to have seasoned veterans in the seat when you're doing something like this. you have to rely on your years of experience. you can't just be caught up in the moment and sort of going off half caught. you have to have experience to

know we have gone too far. your colleagues will bring you back in. you'll bring yourself in. you have an internal compass. >> what is the hardest part of this story for you when you've been on the air so far? >> there are so many parts of it. i can't get beyond thinking i was an exchange student when i, after my high school year and i went abroad and i remember how hard it was for me to say good-bye to my parents and my parents saying good-bye when i flew to brazil. i think about those 16 kids and their families and allowing them to go see the world and to have the unthinkable happen. i think about the grief of that pilot's family who tried in vein to get into the cockpit. i think about that a lot. there are so many aspects when you have such a tragedy. i also know for many of us it was those moments when we didn't know why, what the intent was and who was responsible. this wasn't an act of god. was it deliberate?

we didn't know. the big terrorism fear. we live in a world where terror is a reality and i think so many people were concerned is this a situation like that? there are so many aspects of a story like this frank thanks are hard. >> exactly. and weaving those together and you're on the air live there is no place to run and stop it and catch yourself. you got to do it on the fly. michaela thanks so much it's been really terrific watching your work. >> thanks for having me today. >> thanks for being with us. >> how the media is doing covering the tragedy and later in the hour a new scientology document is out and the church isn't happy about it. how far will they go to silence the critics? we'll hear one journalist harrowing detail. it's more than the cloud. it's security -

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the crash of this germanwings flight is unfathomable and there is no way to understand the way and convey the reporting and media stories

as they unfold. german authorities say co-pilot andres andres lubitz was treated for depression and it's clear he was suffering from some mental illness at the time of the crash. this is how the media reported on that news. >> the co-pilot who crashed flight 9525 into the alps killing 149 and himself had a mental illness he apparently hid from his employer. >> it looks, given his background history of depression correct? >> we think. german media reported that. >> there may be that and the stigma does play into it because maybe you would hide it because you don't want to lose your job. >> exactly. >> what we see is a mental issue here and the question going forward is is the screening being done for mental and psychological issues enough? >> a sampling of some of the media coverage and there is more even in the new york times today.

does that kind of coverage paint with too broad a brush or stigmatize people with a mental illness. here is dr. gail. >> it's understandable people want to get to the both testimony of what went wrong and correct things that need to be corrected. because we tend to talk about mental illness when there is a tragedy that has been a violent perpetration by somebody who has been ill. it does sigmatize mental illness there are huge numbers of people with mental illness that never do anything violent. they are more likely to be a victim of violence and there are huge numbers of people with mental illness that nessness frankly are neither a verdict or perpetrator and do wonderful things and in between episodes of suffering, are extremely functional and productive. >> gail clearly this is a very big part of this story and

understanding the story and understanding what may have happened up there requires knowing where this co-pilot was coming from and what he may have been dealing with. you're not significant gisting this should not be reported are you? >> i'm not suggesting that. what i am saying is there is a tremendous amount of conjecture going on because we are missing so many facts, and that to say, for instance depression and mental illness is really to be talking about a wide range of things. so there are many people who struggle with with depression who really have you know quiet suffering and are yet highly highly functional people. some of our most functional people and then there is the other end of the spectrum of depression where you can have psychotic depression or really extreme depression that can lead to suicide and that's what we need to know about. the way the media presents it it all sounds the same. i guess -- >> let me site "the new york times" piece i mentioned a

moment aagoago. this is in today's "new york times." it points out that they are taking a good hard look at this and says the crash of germanwings flight 9525 raised questions about how the policies to safeguard against pilots who have had mental illness are behind the controls or not, whether those policies work and airlines and regulators are doing enough to detect pilots too mentally ill to fly. are you concerned this coverage is somehow getting ahead because it looks like people making the decisions are doing that irrespective of the stories that are being reported. >> yeah i do think there is a legitimate question as to whether there needs to be more psychiatric evaluation as part of the medical evaluation that pilots need to undergo. i wish that we would think about how to make change in a very strategic way and not sort of jump the gun, you know now there is a question of psychothe

illness and whether that had an impact. what people are forgetting is honestly, this is a person who was hiding what was going on whatever was going on and it might have been a medical issue, might have been a psychiatric issue, but this is a person no matter what the changes are that are made may never have come to attention. >> yeah, let me show you a couple of headlines and the audience a couple headlines that really are probably well over the top. headlines that scream things like madman in the cockpit and crazed rookie pilot murdered 149. tabloids are tabloids. >> right. >> what do you think of headlines like that? impact does that have on the reading public? >> a real impact. when you use words like mad and crazy, you know it really affects how people already view that's the problem. we're trying to make positive change.

this really sets us back in term thes s of how we view mental illness. people think if you did something like this you must by definition be mentally ill and that really is not the case. many people that have perpetrated mass murders are evil people are people who are lacking a moral compass and they enjoy the pain and suffering of others and they want to go out in that way and it stigmatizes and the reason i care about that, to be honest the people who do need to come to treatment. for instance you know the pilots as a group, which came out of the military tends to be a group that you know is maybe even a step behind in term thes of stigmatizing mental illness. >> let me ask you this last question if you were on the editor's desk if you were the producer of the broadcast, what story and how would you be reporting it now?

>> i would certainly leave, you know certain words out of it. this is a question who is going on but we are still missing these details that tell us specifically and that we have to realize that this person who kept it a secret means that changing systems may have to be systems, for instance bringing another person into the cockpit at all times, that are protected in that way, but i would also agree that we want to look at are there psychiatric as part of medical checkups going on and should that be in place? >> okay. gail thank you very much. appreciate your input on a very difficult, very sensitive top pick how you report something highly specialized when the information is so scant and emerging. we'll turn an analytical eye on ourselves. do we in the media spend too much time covering plane crashes? a big question, when we come back. first game in the majors?

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each day brings new developments surrounding the doomed ger doomed german airlines winger. everyone is covering the story. it led all the broadcast network evening newscast on tuesday and most of the week four out of four nights on cbs and nbc. three out of four nights on abc. it made the front page of the "wall street journal," wednesday, thursday and friday. and got wall to wall coverage here on cnn. despite the disappearance of malaysia and the downing of malaysia in the ukraine and 8501 the crash that crashed into the java sea this december all of these stories got enormous coverage. according to the aviation network, safety network, 2014 is the safest year in modern

aviation history as judged by the actual number of crashes. it's hard to argue the tragedies like these don't deserve news coverage and a lot of it clearly, they do. it's also about proportionality and how to balance the information released and privacy and dignity of those lost in the crash and families. is there special horror and fascination when a plane filled with people, every one of them a story goes down. joining me to discuss this is jeff greenfield. jeff it's about proportionality here and the tone of the coverage but this notion of airplane crashes being somehow in a category all their own, interested in your thoughts on that. >> yeah i think it is the same example where people will tell you that when a plane lands, the pilot will say you just finished the safest part of your journey, be careful on the drive home. statistically, it's much more dangerous to be in a car than airplane but what happens i think, to the all of us when you hear about a plane crash is the absolute loss of control. the absolute certainty of which

you're doomed. you can survive a car accident. it gets and creates a picture in our mind. we're there, parts of us are there lying dead on a mountain top. anybody on a plane can understand what that feels like. and it's like any other kind of story where a sudden horrible thought enters your mind, post 9/11 is an example. you can picture yourself in that situation and it sort of remains with powerful force, and it often does create not just in the coverage but in the response a loss of proportion nalty. >> what we're seeing now, it's interesting, we talked about it some in this discussion so far today lufthansa asking the media to back off to give the families privacy and their space. these headlines i was speaking about in terms of invoking madman in the cockpit. getting carried away with this story and reporting out what the public is fascinated in is a very difficult balance.

>> it's one of the many difficults in covering a story like this and it often to be very blunt, leads to real problems particularly in a network that is all news and feels impaled to stay with the story, constantly even when you don't know anything which is another example of a loss of proportion proportionality. the worst moments in cnn's history has come when it felt itself to stay on the air of a story of clear importance but about which little or nothing is known, and so -- >> are you saying, jeff to be direct that cnn has gone overboard with this? >> i think there are -- i think this particular story, no actually because it unfolded in a relatively quick amount of time. i'm thinking of stories like the washington navy yard story the boston marathon story, the malaysia 370 story where there is a drive to tell people something, we know people want

to know if in the middle of a crisis coverage for instance you say we don't know anything so we're going away from the story until we learn more you run the fear of losing the audience and so you're stuck in a story like that unless you exert real will power. with being on the air, with people who are forced to say things that don't mean anything like -- >> i think that's the big difference with this one, isn't it really? there have been officials who have been quite accessible to the press, that they have come out with great regularity and also had real information they have said officially prom the podium where with malaysia, there were days when time went by and there was actually nothing from officials because they didn't have anything. >> yeah, what has been useful or why this story in my view doesn't enter that category is every 12 hours, new information came out. why was there a control descent? we didn't spend a month speculating. we learned why because this co-pilot took the plane down.

and in those circumstances, we're providing real information. the danger of rolling crisis coverage is the fundamental editorial function is abandoned. check, wait if you don't know. it's very hard. i simpleize with any not work. in '81 when ronald reagan was shot i remember frank reynolds slamming his fist down and saying let's get this right. >> let's get this right. let's get this right. that is the most important thing and certainly what the audience expects. hard to do when the news is happening in realtime as we've said. jeff always a pleasure. great to see you. >> pleasure. stay with cnn throughout the day for the latest on the investigation into germanwings crash. when we come back we shift gears. the church of scientology doesn't speak much to the media but when they don't like the story, they are quick to the attack the messager.

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and welcome back. i'm frank sitting in for brian today. tonight, a documentary scientology doesn't want you to see. >> quite logical, you take on a matrix of thought that is not your own. >> it's so strong that it sticks you like glue. >> you don't see it happening. >> there is no logical explanation other than faith. >> the church of scientology is an all in attack mode. it's bombarding social media slamming the film maker and sources. here is one tweet from the freedom media ethics account, a milder one. going clear source admits he and another source beat people up.

nobody understands gibney's position. they were targeted by the church of scientology after he published this 1991 cover story scientology, the cult of greed, how the growing empire squeezes millions from believers worldwide. scientology sued and the case was dismissed by the church meant millions going after him personally he says. he joins us now to talk about what he experienced and what is taking place now. you're an editors for forbes magazine. thanks for coming in. what is going on here? >> i think to a large degree scientology is following the same script and playbook that they followed with us almost 25 years ago. taking out addss, this time in "the new york times" and today "usa today." they spent $3 million with "usa today." they claimed at the time all of

my sources were thrown out of the church same thing they are doing with larry and alex. it really is deja vu. >> and you say they came after you personally as well. what was that all about? >> yeah they put private eyes after us me and others at "time." i count the 12 at one point. litigation for ten years up to the supreme court. i was deposed for 28 days even though the church declined to speak with me and i think the same thing has happened to the alex in his documentary, and this went on. we had to hire our own spies at "time inc." it got comical at points. they did some pretty nasty stuff to me. >> what is the explanation? is there an explanation as to why top officials from the church won't go out and take this on?

i should point out anderson cooper had a four-point series on this network and not able to speak to anybody from the top tiers of the church itself. the last interview that david gave the leader of the church of scientology was in 1992 to ted coppell on abc. >> he said i am a kidnapper. he said that -- >> that you're a kidnapper? >> yeah yeah i was laughing so hard when i heard that. >> who were you supposed to have kidnapped? >> well he said i was a confessed kidnapper or never went through with it. i really had referred a cult victim to a cult organization filled with sighpsychiatrist and rabbis and priests because i couldn't help the person. it was a deprogrammer once involved with the group that got somebody out of the church so that made me a kidnapper. to answer the question the church has told so many lies for

so long what is david really going to say? he's petrified. he's a coward. he's afraid to talk to people directly that the stars in the church are cowards. they are afraid to be deposed and testify. that's i think, why no media outlets have been sued since me and "time magazine" 25 years ago. >> this documentary tonight will peel back the onion more on scientology. they are attacking wondering through the media might be driving more attention than the explanation. >> yeah that's very interesting. i don't think they intended but i do think from the "time" cover story i was told it's probably the best thing that happened to them. it will draw more attention to them. i think the church from what i gather from major defectors is really in trouble. they don't have as many members

as they once did. the internet is killing them. people are coming public with all kinds of stuff they can't keep hidden any longer. they do use private eyes but i don't think to the extend they did with me they spent about $25 million 25 years ago on me in terms of private eyes and litigation according to one of their top defectors in charge of the of ragtsperation. that's real money. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. a lot is being made about another big story, a diplomatic dance with iran a complicated chess board from the nuclear talks in switzerland to the battle fields in iraq and yemen. is it still iran versus the great satan? are the iranian people being told? we'll find out when we come back. if you're taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay

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. talk about a complicated challenging story. iran is getting more than its fair share of media attention this weekend with talks underway in switzerland over tehran's nuclear program and in egypt will gulf leaders called a united front against iran. houthis rebel forces anyway. america's diplomatic dance with iran may be the most important ask complicated dynamic in the world just now. few people understand iran better than our guests today, teheran burro chief and joining us but phone and the founder and president of the national iranian american counsel and advocate for engagement. he joins us from switzerland where the delegate talks are underway. thanks to both of you for joining us. there has never been a more critical time to have reporters on the ground in iran. so let's start with you, thomas you reported from teheran for more than a decade. you're hosting a new video

series at new york times.com. the man in teheran. you say it took four years to get permission from the iranian government to do this series why now and is this a coincidence with all a else going on? >> i don't think it's a coincidence but of course we must establish that iran is changing. it's changing in such a way that the a way that the iranians elected a new president. he and his foreign minister have been the figureheads of this outreach through the west. the nuclear outreach that we are talking about today but also a sort ever attempt to create a new image of iran abroad. now please don't think i am the tool of the iranian government. i had tried and tried and tried under ahmadinejad to make this documentary series because i really wanted to show what life in iran was like and how iranians sort of interact in daily life. i didn't get it but with this

change i was allowed to make this new video series that's on "the new york times" web column. >> i want to take a clip to let people take a look specifically a clip where you are basically out on the street talking to people about this nuclear deal that's under discussion right now in switzerland. >> i like many amongst iranians. every now and then i buy a card from the man with the little bird who will give you a poem that will predict your future and has an answer to all your questions. even the political ones. ♪ speaking ing ] speaking foreign language ] zblm there you . >> you are on the street trying to talk to people about nuclear negotiations. i want to ask you a serious question about how the iranian media are now reporting on these nuclear negotiations.

we know in the west it is very contentious. we know the israelis and others are objecting to elements of it because they think the west may cave to iran. is any of that getting through to the iranian people through the iranian media? >> oh absolutely. it's been a very long time that iran has no longer been this isolated country that we expect it is. of course there is internet here. there's satellite even. but even the domestic media has been following this very critically. it doesn't mean that they have all the space they want to write but they can go really very far. and one prime example is the conservative newspaper, a state-owned newspaper. it is headed by a hardline editor who is very much against the talks. not a week goes by that he writes a poisonous editorial in which he says these talks will fail he predicts these talks will not go anywhere. well this is in stark contrast to many of the other newspapers that are more open and willing to discuss the talks. at this moment there are many

iranian journalists in lausanne following those talks. also for the iranian media. >> treaty parsy, your organization is engaged with the iranians. the images of iran anti-american demonstrations how are the iranian media, influential voices in iranian media, preparing, if they are, iranians for some kind of new equation if they are, with the west? >> well i think, frankly, they're preparing themselves more so than the public. the public is overwhelmingly in favor of resolving this issue. they want to break out of their isolation. they want to be able to engage with the rest of the world. they are also according to all the polls that i've seen quite favorable to the terms that are being negotiated in the sense that they would give up certain elements in return for lifting of sanctions. but what is lapping now that i

think is very interesting, thomas is quite correct in pointing out that kahon has been very krit kl and at times insulting to the negotiators. you can see the hardliners are trying to prepare a way not only to sell this at home but to sell it as a win for themselves. i think that's quite fascinating because as the iranian hardliners are trying to find a way to frame this as a win, hardliners in washington are continuing to waste no moment to try to sabotage this deal. >> well let me trita, before we run out of time here though i want to ask you this very direct question. is anybody in the iranian media saying look if there's going to be a serious realignment in the world and with the west not only do we have to do a nuclear deal but we have to quit meddling in all these places in the world to include yemen, as we've just discussed, where the gulf states are preparing to go in to push back. >> in the iranian narrative, first of all this is just a

negotiation over the nuclear matter. it is not addressing these other issues. it is not part of the negotiations. but in the iranians the united states is meddling in the middle east. they're not viewing it in the sense that there would be any meddling. i think there is a realization that if they are integrated into the global economic and political system they are going to have to be changes in the way that they conduct foreign policy. >> thomas quickly to you. are you seeing in iranian media coverage any place laying groundwork for a recompassion of iran's role in the world? >> well no actually not. iran ishas a very firm ideology in which they see themselves as a country with principles a country that's against double standards, as they call it. as mr. parsi just pointed out, iran thinks that the presence of the united states in the region is a double standard. iran also is convinced that the

last ten years of pressures against the country have been an example of a double standard because, as they always like to point out, why is the world so incredibly worried about iran that doesn't even have a nuclear weapon while israel the u.s. has made ally in the region most probably has over 150. so they feel this will be a win for them. even though they might lose. we don't know yet, of course. but they feel that no matter what happens, this will be a victory. >> all right, thanks so you both. we have to take a quick break but we'll be right back with more "reliable sources." look! this is the new asian inspired broth bowl from panera bread. our hero is the soba noodle. (mmmm) which we pair with fresh spinach (ahhh) mushrooms (yes) and chicken raised without antibiotics. (very nice) then top with a soy-miso broth. that noise! panera broth bowls should be slurped with gusto!

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