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the reason that that's not true is that the 1993 law was an effort to try to protect the religious liberty of religious minorities based on actions that could be taken by the federal government. the indiana law is much broader. it doesn't just apply to individuals or religious minorities. it applys to quote, a partnership, a limited liability corporation, a company, a firm a society, a joint stock company, or an unincorporated association. this is a significant expansion of the law in terms of the way that it would apply. it leaves open the question what sort of religious views a joint stock company may hold. but that's something for the lawyers to ponder. at the same time it's also worth noting that the law in indiana doesn't just apply to interactions with the government. it also applies to private
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transactions as well. which means this is a much more open-ended piece of legislation that could reasonably be used to try to justify discriminating against somebody because of who they love. that is why we've seen such a bipartisan and even nonpolitical outcry against this law. again, i think that is also what has prompted indiana officials to reconsider the wisdom of this approach. >> i want to ask about the elections in nigeria. what is the white house's reaction to the election of their president and the assessment of what this new leadership will mean for the fight against boko haram? i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. we're going to start with some breaking news. on the iran nuclear negotiations the u.s. state department and the white house both say that tonight's deadline
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may come and go with no agreement. so there are already plans to keep grinding away at the deal after midnight. that is if negotiators feel that progress is being made. cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott has been monitoring the talks as they've gone on in lausanne, switzerland. talk about this, characterize this for us. is this a big setback and what are the major sticking points that really remain? seems like they're the same ones that we've been talking about for a while now. is there a chance that the negotiators will get past them? >> reporter: brianna, i think there's a desire to. they've been working all night into today. yesterday, secretary of state john kerry told me personally that there was what he called light in the negotiations. he said there are still some tricky issues but they're working hard with an aim towards getting a deal. everyone is mindful of that deadline today because congress could impose sanctions against iran which could scuttle negotiations entirely.
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but those sticking points we've been talking about for the past few days still remain. we're talking about what type of advanced research and development on nuclear technology iran could do in the end years of the deal. we're talking about u.n. sanction when they could be lifted. iran wants them to disappear day one. the international community wants to phase them out and also have flexibility to reimpose them if iran were to violate the deal. we were also talking to a member of the iranian delegation. he said the enrichment is not all set yet. so there are a lot of things. and clearly in the 11th hour everyone's positions get really hard. everyone's trying to drive the hardest bargain. but we understand they will go up to the wire, to that 12:00 a.m. deadline but possibly into tomorrow they don't feel as if tomorrow is a firm deadline brianna. >> so they don't feel it's a firm deadline. but this is also really one of two deadlines, right? you have today, which may or may not be firm and then you have
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june. tell us about the june deadline. >> reporter: today's deadline is a self-imposed deadline. what the administration and some of the other parties, everyone iran wanted to have some kind of deadline for themselves on political understandings. what we're talking about today is a political framework deal. and then the longer comprehensive deal would be negotiated before june with all the technical annexes and such. so nobody feels that if the deadline passes today, no one turns into a pumpkin, nothing really happens. the interim deal that's in effect right now will continue and will continue until june. so they feel if they need a few more hours, a day to get those political understandings they feel there's been enough progress here. and let's be clear, there have been 100 areas of disagreement when this started about 18 months ago. now they're down to three or four. so even though they may not be all the way there, there clearly is a lot of progress and they
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feel it's worth it to keep growing. >> elise labott for us in switzerland, thank you so much. i want to take a closer look at what's really at stake in these nuclear negotiations as we're moving toward tonight's deadline for the framework of a deal. joining me now from new york is cnn global affairs analyst bobby ghosh, managing editor of "quartz." here in washington i'm joined by steven collinson and chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. first to you, bobby, why don't we look on the bright side of things? tell us about the positive takeout of these developments. >> well as you heard, they started out with 100 points of disagreement and they're down to three or four. they are the most crucial three or four. i suppose there is a glass half full view to the fact that they're continuing to negotiate into midnight and beyond. it means they're not talking. as long as they're talking, there is a little bit of hope. i have to say, though i am a
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little skeptical. if this deadline doesn't matter then the june deadline doesn't matter. then deadlines don't matter at all. yes, this was a self-imposed deadline but it was one that everybody agreed to. and if they can't hold to that then why should we assume they'll hold to any other deadline? yes, they'll keep talking. as long as they do that's a good thing. but i'm not holding my breath that whether tomorrow morning or the first of july there will be complete resolution of this. >> let's talk about this jim and steve, because if you have a list of things to do and you're leaving the big things to do last you can see there would be some problems with that. these are big sticking points we have just a matter of hours. >> no question. not just because it's a reasonable measure of how much they've progressed. if you haven't settled the biggest issues that's a serious deficiency in how far you've progressed. you're punting on sanctions relief. sanctions are the key western leverage on iran.
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that raises real questions about whether you can agree to that issue over the next three months. and also keep in mind this is a self-imposed interim deadline but it follows an extension last december. i was there in vienna when they extended it again because they couldn't reach an agreement on these issues. it's yet another extension of negotiations because you can't come to agreement on those key issues. and that's got to be kept in mind. it shows they're having real difficult bridging those gaps. >> so the idea there may be this wiggle room is negative in your estimation? >> i guess if you have a deadline that's the end of june and you have a deadline now, why would you make the big concessions now that you might want to hold back until the end of june? i think in some ways you could argue that iran has already been a winner in these negotiations. it's been a pariah state. it's exploited the opportunities geopolitically it's had over the last few years during the course of these talks, it's managed to
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sort of infiltrate its influence further throughout the middle east at a time when the united states has less interested in cracking down on iranian proxies throughout the region as we've seen in yemen, for example. for the iranians they have much to gain by keeping these talks going. back home here president obama is under a lot of political pressure and he may have more of a stake in getting this deadline -- reaching this deadline some kind of agreement that says we have progress here. >> what do you think about that bobby? the idea that iran has advanced its prestige and also we see iran popping up as such a significant player with so much momentum in many different situations in the middle east? >> well it's certainly enhanced its power in the region. i'm not sure about prestige. but it has also -- at the negotiating table it has also made gains. it's been able to roll back some of the commitments it had previously made. previously there was an agreement that uranium would be
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sent to russia to be neutered if you like, and be sent back as fuel rods. now they're saying, we don't want to do that. judging by the leaks, that's okay with the p5+1. so iran is not only winning off the negotiating table but on the negotiating table as well. >> they're bringing the p5+1 closer to their goal posts which certainly to the u.s. and other entities would be concerning. bobby, thank you so much. steve, jim, thank you both. we have breaking news in to cnn now. lufthansa is revealing crucial information on the co-pilot which could reveal why he flew that plane with 150 people on board into a mountainside. that's next for you. ♪ ♪ ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek.
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we have breaking news now to tell you about, about the germanwings crash investigation. turns out that the airline's parent company, lufthansa, now says it knew that co-pilot andreas lubitz suffered depression during his training and not just depression severe depression. they were aware of this. the airline says that after further investigation, they knew that he suffered from a previous episode of severe depression. that is a quote. as for the motive behind the crash, according to a source, they're looking at whether andreas lubitz was afraid of losing his pilot's license because of his medical problems. two doctors concluded that lubitz had psychological issues. the source says that lubitz's girlfriend knew that he was having mental health issues but she, quote, did not know the extent of the problems. she told investigators that she and lubitz were working through the issues together and she was optimistic they would be able to do that. recovery teams now are having
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some easier access to the crash site. there is a new path now that is linking the site with a nearby community. it opened up today. and this road will eventually allow victims' family members to reach the area where their loved ones perished. also a german official says the plane's second black box may be buried under shale and gravel at the crash site. perhaps some hope there. crews still searching for the flight data recorder. and the hope is they will be able to collect the remains and personal effects by the end of this week. i want to get more now on the possible motive behind the crash, the investigators are focusing on that andreas lubitz was afraid that his medical problems would end his flying career. i'm joined now by senior international correspondent fredericfred pleitgen who's in cologne, germany. what do we know now that we hear that lufthansa knew about his severe past depression, fred?
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>> reporter: it's interesting, brianna, because originally lufthansa had come out and said that they knew that he had taken a break from his flight training which he began in 2008. but they said that this was something that was not uncommon. of course, fll nowuntil now, they've also said they weren't aware he had any psychological issues. in a statement that they just put out a couple of minutes ago, they say that they have now after a new internal investigation put out additional information, given additional information to the prosecuting office which is the state prosecutor in dusseldorf. and i want to read you the line from the press release from lufthansa because it says these documents also include the e-mail correspondence of the co-pilot with the flight training pilot school the lufthansa flight training school. in this correspondence he informed the flight training school in 2009 in the medical documents he submitted in connection with resuming his flight training about a previous episode of severe depression.
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they go on to say they're fully cooperating with the investigation. but it's clear that he did indeed inform that he had at some point suffered from severe depression. we know from the state prosecutor that came out with the press conference yesterday that he did have suicidal tendencies in the time between -- before he got his pilot license. this could very well be from that time. now we're learning he apparently did inform them. of course they said that he didn't inform them about the recent issues that he was having about the fact that during or the time frame of when he steered that flight into the mountain that he was once again seeing a doctor for psychological issues that he had had these vision problems that his doctor determined were psychosomatic and deemed him unfit the work, meaning he was unfit to fly. this was not something he informed the company of they say, of course it would have been on him -- his responsibility to inform them if in fact he was privately seeing another doctor.
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interesting also when we come back to the whole idea of the motive behind all this as you said there are sources close to the investigation that we've contacted that say one of the main motives that they're investigating right now is the fact that he might have had afraid to lose his fit-to-fly certification if it came out that he was having these issues once again. and the french investigators have also come out and say they of course have a very broad, very wide investigation going on they say the deliberate act of someone with psychological problems would be one of the main motives but they're also looking at things that could have been key in all of this that could have also contributed to the fact that this flight went down. one of them is the fact that the captain was not able to get back into the cockpit, trying to get in there, of course because of the cockpit door, because of the locking mechanism. that's a contribution they're looking at. and then also which is interesting, the fact that psychological patterns were not discovered. that of course goes back to what we're seeing right now, that he
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did have a history of psychological problems that apparently we knew the company knew about. >> fred pleitgen in cologne, thank you so much. let's talk more about this with our expert panel. we have les abend, a cnn aviation analyst and the contributing editor for flight magazine. he's also a pilot. he's with us from new york. and we have clinical psychologist ramani josula joining us. les, this news that lufthansa actually knew about his depression in 2009 that he had come from training -- or from his pause in training it looks like into the program. and he had appeared maybe self-reported, is that what you had expect self-reported that he had this episode? >> this is very disturbing to me because lufthansa has this -- this is a part of the screening process. they have a farm where they farm
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pilots. they have to qualify. they go through a rigorous screening process and on to the training aspect. if they were under their supervision at that point in time and he had these issues in my airline, we had to go through our screening process, release medical health professionals that we had seen over the past so many years. we had to go all the way back to our grandparents. so if they discovered a problem, i was no longer competitive for that particular airline as far as they were concerned. and now this man has the issue during the training program, that's sorely missed. and it's being discussed that he felt he was in a jeopardy position with reference to his career. we're dealing with an alter ego airline from lufthansa. it's a low-cost carrier. probably pays a lot less. it's in conflict with lufthansa's union. so we're getting less-experienced people and probably -- >> we're actually told -- i've heard and correct me if i'm wrong that the pay was the same that these were lufthansa pilots
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where the pay was the same. but that might be inaccurate. >> it might be inaccurate. and i can't confirm it either. but the bottom -- maybe he didn't have the medical benefits that would allow him time to get treatment for his illness if indeed this was a treatable illness. but that could also factor into this young man's tragic end and people's -- >> so you look at this -- i guess the question is if the airline knew that lubitz had had an episode of severe depression let's just talk about pilots in general. les is saying that would be a disqualifying factor here domestically. do you think it necessarily is or it's an indicator that someone would do something like this? >> i don't think it necessarily should be. i think we should be very careful at this point at completely blasting people who are suffering with depression because i think it's something
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that has to be screened more thoroughly and it needs to be monitored. every person with depression has a different story of their i'llness. some of the symptoms may be similar. but you want to know how do they cope with stress behaviorally, what has their history been? you really want to dig deeper. if you see the indicator that they do have depression you want to dig deeper and see if there's anything in their history that may disqualify them specifically from being a pilot. i don't think depression by itself is a blanket category that would disqualify someone from a profession such as being a pilot. >> can we talk about something that just has really been on my mind. this idea if this is the motive ramani, to you first, if lubitz was worried about losing his being fit to fly, it doesn't seem the solution to that would be to crash a plane. that doesn't seem rational. so what does that tell us about what he may have been suffering
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even other than just a severe depression? >> i think where we want to be careful -- it's like an onion, you're peeling it back layers upon layers. the bottom line is we have an intersection of a medical stressor a stand mental illness in depression. but we also antwant to know about his personality. he may have seen in a grandiose way, i'm becoming a pilot and if something stops him, he would go down in a blaze of glory. we are trying to connect the dots when we don't have enough dots. but i do think we have to look at how all these variables line up. it's not just the depression. there are a lot of variable that is came to this tragic story. >> that's a really good point. i want to talk les, because you hear ramani being concerned that the idea that people who have
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depression could be stigmatized in this case. but do you think in the case of flying where a pilot does have in their hands the lives of so many people that there should be more stringent oversight for people than maybe in other areas of employment? >> it's a great question brianna. just to sort of backtrack a little bit about what the doctor was saying we're looking at the depression more from the aspect of are we stigmatizing this individual. that's not my thing. my thing was the screening. it's black and white for me. we had a competitive individual that -- or an individual who had to compete with other applicants through the screening process. it would seem to me if i was the airline, i'd want to pick somebody with less issues. but in answer to your question i think we need to refine some of the data with reference to the screening process a little bit more like the doctor mentions. it's an onion, you need to peel it back. we need to ask the proper
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questions. right at the screening moment before we goat that pilot in the seat we have pilots that fly with the same stressors has other occupations. police, same thing. doctors, the same thing. so depression in and of itself my understanding, is it's treatable and we can now with the faa relaxed rules have medication for that. >> yeah. >> and still prove our worth and our safety to our passengers. but i think the doctor will agree with me. i think we went beyond that with this young man. >> yeah, maybe some more vigilance was needed. thank you both. indiana's governor is vowing to fix the law that has led critics to vilify him and his state. but will that fix this controversial? we'll be looking at what he's promising and also whether it's going to work. this is judy. judy is 65 years old. her mortgage payment is $728 a month that's almost $9,000 a year.
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indiana governor mike pence is doing some damage control over the state's new religious freedom law. it's a law that critics say allows businesses to discriminate against gays in the name of religion. pence denies that and he spoke out a short time ago for quite some time and he pledged to fix the controversial law to make its true intentions clear. that's basically what he said. let's bring in rosa flores. she is in indianapolis. so i guess the question is he's talking about fixing this law. but what does he mean by that? did he explain himself? >> reporter: brianna, he did not present the silver bullet. what he did say is that he's
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asking lawmakers to have something for him on his desk by the end of the week. let's not forget, this is on the heels of the final four. and so focus is being shifted from the game to the republican game plan to fix the mess that they're in. there's a huge perception issue at this point in time bringing the governor again in front of reporters to explain himself. take a listen. >> after much reflection and in consultation with leadership of the general assembly i've come to the conclusion that it would be helpful to move legislation this week that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses a right to deny services to anyone. >> reporter: democrats responding just moments ago, brianna, and adamant about repealing this law.
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that's what the democrats want. and even though republicans have control of the chamber, i think it's safe to say the democrats have more control over the message with the overwhelming support coming in from around the country. >> sure. you're definitely hearing that. but also let's talk about some of the rift between the governor and some republicans as well. he hasn't had complete solidarity among members of his own party on this issue. >> reporter: you're absolutely right. and this is one of the things that i find fascinating because during the press conference yesterday that republican leadership held they made it very clear but were a little vague by saying that they had to have a press conference yesterday to do clean-up based on the interview that the governor had given to abc. so in essence they were playing a dance there. not quite saying out loud that the governor had bombed the interview with abc. but coming forward and saying
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we had to come forward and have this press conference to make sure that the united states knows that discrimination is not okay here in indiana. and you probably remember the question that abc was grilling this governor on and that he wouldn't provide an answer. so it's fascinating that a day after the republican leadership had this press conference then the governor decides to come before reporters again. >> yeah i could have handled that better is what governor pence said. and i think a lot of republicans agree with him. rosa flores thanks so much. appreciate your report from indianapolis. you heard rosa there talking about the backlash. there's been a lot of it from the critical money-making sector for indiana. that's the sports world. first, the teams playing in the final four in indianapolis this weekend, here's some of what they're saying. you have this from duke it says quote, duke university continues to stand alongside the lgbt community in seeking a more equal and inclusive world and we deplore any effort to legislate bias and discrimination. then from michigan state, quote,
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we hope the citizens and lawmakers of that state can reach a consensus on how to best welcome all people regardless of background. and then check this out, this from nascar where there's a key race in indianapolis quote, nascar is disappointed by the recent legislation passed in indiana. we will not embrace nor participate in exclusion or intolerance. you've also got indiana's religious freedom law that's putting 2016 gop contenders really on the spot. many are backing the governor. and the controversial law that some say makes discrimination legal, is that going to hurt their quest to win the white house? we'll have gloria borger on to talk about that next.
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at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. the controversy stirred up by indiana governor mike pence and the signing of his state's religious freedom bill isn't just confined to indiana. it now could present a larger political problem for the gop presidential field. let's bring in cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger and cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zelani to talk about this. pence says he's going to fix it. on sunday he said it was mischaracterized, nothing to see here. but he's still saying -- >> fix it don't mix it? >> now he's saying fix it but it's still mischaracterized. >> he spent most of his 45-minute-long press conference
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talking about the fact that this law had been smeared, that there was a perception problem, that there was preconceived notions about what it actually did. and he said we're going to come up with some kind of fix. he didn't specify what the fix was. and he was clearly a governor tap dancing because his state is set to lose millions and millions of dollars in revenue. the ncaa is complaining. nascar is complaining. as you pointed out. and he's trying to balance that with his conservative brand. he's a potential presidential candidate. >> gop contender. >> what you saw was a kind of modified surrender, which makes nobody happy -- >> one thing he didn't fix was his business relationship. he's opened up a huge fight between social conservatives and the chamber of commerce main street people. he didn't fix that at all. all these businesses will have the same issue with this law. that's his real problem here. >> they have a concern that they
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feel like going into an environment, that's not the business environment they want to -- >> exactly. >> and the backlash is immediate and probably in the age of social media in which things happen a lot faster. but his notion that this is a law that's been passed in 19 other states, the same as the federal law. the white house press secretary just came out this afternoon and said, no, no no it's not. this law is much more open-ended, treats businesses like religious institutions. so there is a difference here. democrats in the state are saying you know what you've got to just protect gay rights in the state of indiana. that's the only way to do it. >> let's talk about 2016. you have a number of -- i think we have photos of some of the gop presidential hopefuls who have voiced their support for this law in indiana. jeb bush, very serious contender. bobby jindal rick santorum marco rubio, ben carson all various sort of levels of
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serious contention i guess you could say. what does this say about how an issue like this plays for 2016 and just for the party in general? >> i think it's clear that for all of those people including a few others, they have to win the primary first. >> yeah. >> and they have to appeal to social security conservatives. and going against this would be the wrong thing to do politically for them. we haven't heard a lot from rand paul on this. he's tried to have it both ways on this issue. the reality is if you're going to play in the iowa caucuses the south carolina primary, you don't want to be on the wrong side of this. but if you break down their positions, they're a bit more nuanced. jeb bush said i supported florida's law. but florida is different. it actually protects homosexuals and gays and lesbians. >> scott walker -- >> how do they switch if they're sort of for it in the primary round, how do you just --
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>> each one of them -- >> how do you -- >> wasn't it jeb bush who said you don't want to win the primary all the time to win -- >> except you do. >> you do. you have to win the primary. i think there is enough nuance in their positions, some of them that they can kind of walk it back a little bit because these state laws are different. it's very complicated. some states protect on discrimination more than others. indiana protects less. maybe that's what they're going to try and fix. that's certainly what the democrats in the state want to happen. but this has yet to play out in the republican party. >> all right. thank you both so much.
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breaking news here in to cnn, there is video of the final moments of the germanwings 9525 flight from inside of the plane. we do not have the video. the video is not public but two publications jointly, paris match and "bild" have described -- they've seen the video and are describing what's in the video. and this is what is just in to cnn. they published descriptions in multiple languages that show -- and this is a recording found by a source close to the investigation. this is the description of what happened inside of the plane in the final moments of germanwings 9525. it says quote, the scene was so chaotic that it was hard to identify people. but the sounds of the screaming passengers made it perfectly clear that they were aware of what was about to happen to them.
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one can hear cries of "my god" in several languages. metallic banging can be heard more than three times, perhaps the pilot trying to open the cockpit door with a heavy object. towards the end, after a heavy shake, stronger than the others the screaming intensifies then nothing. i want to bring in les abend, cnn's aviation analyst in new york and also fred pleitgen who is in cologne, germany, where we've heard from officials there throughout the course of this investigation. first off, fred important to note this is a jointly published information by "bild," which is the publication that put out that cockpit voice recorder transcript as well. very unusual for this information to come out and also just -- it's heart-wrenching, the idea of this moment of terror. >> reporter: yeah absolutely
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brianna it's a joint publication between the "bild" and "paris match." they say this video was taken from a similar card taken from the crash site that seemed to have survived the crash. they say the video comes from the circles of the investigators. they don't specify exactly where they got this video from but they do say while it's very shaky and while it's hard to make out more than just a couple of people on the video, they do very much believe in its authenticity. they've verified the video. there's no way for us to independently confirm that. but in addition to what you were saying there's also some more facts that we're getting from that article, from the "bild" newspaper that was just published a couple of minutes ago. they say this video was taken from the very back of the plane. someone seemed to have been filming in the very back of the plane. they say it's unclear whether it was taken by a member of the crew or whether it was taken by one of the passengers also unclear whether the person who
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was filming the video was standing or sitting. and as you said it's those very dramatic final moments, they say this video is only a few seconds long but does show the final moments of what happened on that flight. as you said there's that metallic banging on the door which of course seems to support exactly the transcript that was leaked as well and what the french investigators have been saying that first of all it appears as though the pilot was banging on the door and then later there was banging on the cockpit door with some sort of metallic object. now, one of the things that they say in this article, it seems as though the passengers on board that flight seem to be aware of the predicament that they're in. presumably they're screaming on the plane, as you said people saying "oh, my god" in several languages. then say they towards the very end of the video, the plane is jolted to the side. remember one of the things that we heard from that transcript that was leaked that apparently shortly before the plane crashed, the right wing of -- >> all right.
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i think unfortunately we are losing fred's signal there in cologne. i want to bring les in on this. les, we've talked about this before "bild" putting out the cockpit voice recorder transcripts. i have a sense of where you fall on the utility of doing something like this the idea of these moments of terror revealed not just for the public but for the families of these victims. it's horrifying. >> you've stated it very well, brianna. i think number one, the cockpit voice recorder transcripts being released was just irresponsible. where that leak came from, i can only suspect. this is the same thing. it just adds more sensationalism to the whole thing. this is evidence in the investigation. the accident investigators are out there, the parties are there participating. this should never be made public at this point in the field investigation. it's just absolutely wrong. the families especially don't
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need these details. >> can i ask you, though -- because i would have thought exactly what you were saying that this is horrific for the families and for them to know. but yesterday we were talking with a clinical psychologist about how these families can cope with some of these horrific details. she actually said that even though it's horrible to hear and we heard from a woman whose brother died on germanwings 9525 she said the idea that he knew for several minutes that something was horribly wrong was terrible for her. but the psychologist said sometimes actually knowing, even if it's terrible details, is better than not knowing because you fill it in with the absolute worst and just having the knowledge of exactly what happened ultimately maybe not right now, but ultimately may be better than not knowing. what do you think about that? >> brianna, having been trained in critical incident stress
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management which deals with a lot of posttraumatic stress disorder i dealt with one of our major accidents at my airline with folks who were involved with the investigation, so i have an understanding of the thought process. but here's the thing. let's do it on a private basis. let's not make let's not make the debriefing and grieving process public. let's let each individual deal with it on their own. give them the choice of listening to the transcript or listening to this video, if they choose and this helps them in the process, absolutely. but this is not for public consumption at this point. >> and don't force it on them. >> exactly. >> i want to bring fred back into the conversation. he's in colon. we have a signal back up. i want to clarify, fred that this is -- we're not showing it. we don't have it. this is video from inside of the plane. at the crash site there was a
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sim card that survived the crash, was recovered, and on it is this 14 seconds of really the last moments of germanwings 9525. what are you hearing from officials, or are we hearing anything yet about their concerns that this is being put out there and what this means for the investigation? >> we're not hearing anything at this point in time just yet. this video was only posted i would say, about 20 minutes ago. but needless to say, there's, i think, going to be a strong reaction to all of this. there was already a lot of criticism when the transcript of the cockpit voice recording, or at least parts of it were made public as well. there were a lot of people who were saying there was nothing new in all of that that the french authorities, of course called it at that point pure voyeurism. they said they were quite
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dismayed at the fact the cockpit voice recording was put out. this will probably lead to very similar reactions as well. the big question of course is who is leaking all of this. it must come from somewhere within the investigating team. there is no one else who has access to the crash site at this point in time. again, it also is quite remarkable that the s.i.m. cards would have actually survived and therefore it seems as though perhaps aside from the flight data recorder that's still being looked at, there might also be other documents still out there that investigators are looking at. >> and again, these are -- this is video from inside of the plane in the final moments of germanwings 9525 that are being described but are not, certainly not at least yet, out there publicly. all right. thanks so much to both of you. we'll have more coverage of the crash, the germanwings 9525 crash, ahead. but next we're going to talk about a familiar face around
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washington harry reid. he's leaving the senate. he's leaving on his terms. no regrets, certainly no apologies. we'll have cnn's exclusive interview next.
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said i'm not going to let the bastards beat me. so i decided to run last time. >> now he's 75 and says it's time to leave before he gets too old. >> i wanted to be remembered for my first 34 years, not my last six. i have done my best. >> on new year's day, reid a workout addict who ran 20 marathons, had a brutal exercise accident that left him severely bruised and for now blind in one eye. it had to have cemented the decision. >> well i'm not sure it cemented the decision. the first three weeks i couldn't do anything except feel sorry for myself. but i'm sure it had some bearing on my not running, but it wasn't the decision maker. >> reid has led senate democrats for nearly ten years spearhead spearheading epic legislative battles like obamacare with a scrappy style he learned fighting his way out of an impoverished childhood growing up in this shack with no running water, which he showed up several years ago. a wide variety of adjectives
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have been written about you. >> some good some bad. >> let me read a few. scrappy, tough, blunt, canny behind the scenes mastermind ruthless. are all those fair? >> well that's what people think. if that's what they think, they're entitled to their opinion. >> how would you describe yourself? >> i work very hard. i always have. >> reid has been a most unlikely political leader in today's media age, soft spoken and gaffe prone. >> i recognized a long time ago there's people who are speak a lot better than i can. there are people better looking than i am. there are people smarter than i am but there's nobody that can work harder than i work. i'm very concerned about nevada always have been. i'm concerned about the country. and my style may not be someone else's style, but that's who i am. >> one thing he's not concerned about, what people think of him. >> i don't really care. i don't want to be somebody i'm not. >> you're a polarizing figure and a lot of republicans
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actually blame you personally for the way congress and washington in general has gotten so highly partisan in the last couple of years. >> that's interesting. i served as a w.h.i.p. for a long time. the republicans were i have fusive in their praise for me. >> that was before he used the senate floor to go after gop mega donors the koch brother, and accused mitt romney of not paying his taxes with no evidence. >> let him prove he has paid taxes, because he hasn't. >> i don't regret that the a all. the koch brothers no one would help me. they were afraid the koch brothers would go after them. so i did it on my own. >> so no regrets about mitt romney about the koch brothers. some people have called it mccarthy-ite. >> they can call it whatever they want. romney didn't win, did he? >> reid is most proud of using his senate power to help nevada bringing home the bacon from renewable energy to revitalizing las vegas, like this neighborhood where we spoke.
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>> they would come out every year with the biggest porkers. i was so upset when i wasn't in the top two or three. so no i'm proud of what i did with earmarks. if you work hard for these jobs and we all do and you have some power, you should use it. >> harry reid very candid there with cnn's dana bash. that's it for me. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. all right. here we go. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn, breaking news here in the apparent deliberate crash of that germanwings flight. here's what we now know. this card out of a cell phone was found at the crash site, reportedly contains video of the final terrifying moments on board this flight flight 9525. according to this german tabloid