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was before this negativity came out, but it's the nature of the world we live in, the nature of the internet. i guess i can't be surprised in comedy central and can't be surprised that it happened. >> howard bragman, thank you so much. >> thanks jake. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. turning it over to wolf blitzer now in "the situation room." sthks s happening now. final moments captured. a video reportedly taken inside the doomed airliner and recovered at the crash scene said to show the chaos, the terror, the passengers' experience as flight 9525 went down. will this video ever be seen by the public? lufthansa now is saying it was aware of the co-pilot's severe depression years before his final flight and he was cleared to resume his aviation career. poe pilot's girlfriend tells investigators she knew he had psychological issues but did not know the extent of the problems. why were they optimistic they could solve things?
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and deadline delay. the u.s. and iran extend the cutoff for reaching a blueprint on a nuclear deal. what can they accomplish in an extra day they didn't manage to get accomplished over the past 18 months of negotiations? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. let's get to the breaking news. a very xushing new turn in the aftermath of the flight 9525 crash. video of the airliner's last seconds shot from inside the plane has reportedly been found at the crash site. french and german publications say it was recovered by a, quote, source close to the investigation. they have not published the video itself. cnn hasn't confirmed it. but the reports describe a chaotic scene in which passengers were screaming in terror until the very end. all of this as lufthansa now reveals that the co-pilot andreas lubitz informed the flight training school of a
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previous episode of severe depression. french investigators now say their proceeddure -- including the cockpit door locking system. our correspondents our analysts our guests are all standing by with the latest developments. let's start in doos elle dorf verm ne. >> reporter: a shocking discovery cell phone video believed to be shot from the back of the aircraft, capturing the chaos and terror on board flight 9525 in the final seconds before it slammed into the alps. the german newspaper build and pair match say they viewed the video found by an investigator on a memory card that survived the crash. it hasn't been made public but the news organizations say the images make it disturbingly clear that passengers knew what was about to happen. according to the build and paris match accounts screams are heard about cries of "my god" in several languages.
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there recess metallic banging more than three times which paris match suggests may have been the captain trying to force his way back into the cockpit after being locked out by the co-pilot. toward the end there's said to be a heavy shake stronger than the others. apparently as part of the plane scrapes the mountain. the screams intensify, and then nothing. tonight lufthansa airlines is acknowledgeing for the first time that it knew the co-pilot andreas lubitz had a history of psychological problems before he deliberately crashed the jet. the parent company of germanwings releasing a statement saying lubitz informed their pilot training school in 20009 that he had a previous episode of severe depression. the airline says lubitz provided that information in the medical documents he submitted before resuming his flight training. after taking a break for several months. lufthansa revealed last week that lubitz was cleared to fly after that interruption. >> translator: he continued his
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training. he then also passed all medical tests, all flight examinations and all checks. he was 100% fit to fly without restrictions. >> will is joining us on the phone right now. will, where do they expect this to move over the next few hours, the next day or so? >> reporter: we actually have more breaking news from french investigators, wolf. they tell us this is not the only cell phone recovered from the crash site. there were a number of cell phones that have yet to be analyzed. investigators are also questioning whether the new reports of video are accurate because they believe that they are in control of all of this potential video and they say it hasn't gone to the lab yet they don't know how the publications got ahold of it. nevertheless, they're gathering evidence more cell phones potentially more videos of the final moments of this plane. >> amazing. thanks very much, wil. we'll get back to you. cnn has obtained new information from lufthansa concerning andreas lubitz's history of
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severe depression and how it was handled lecht's go to pamela brown also joining us from doos elle dorf. what are you learning, pamela? >> reporter: wolf, of course, one of the big questions after we learned that lufthansa knew lubitz suffered depression is whether he had to go through another psychological exam after that. lufthansa tells me after that break, after he had reported that he had gone through a severe depression bout that he was required to once again prove his suitability for this position. and that includes from a medical perspective lufthansa saying all of the relevant facts were examine examined. lufthansa saying he had to go under additional scrutiny after saying he had to take a break in 2008. lufthansa also saying it has one of the most comprehensive and selective procedures in the airline industry, say it assess assesses the aptitude of candidates working in the cockpit through additional
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assessment centers and additional psychological tests. wolf? >> the co-pilot's girlfriend i know she's been speaking to investigators, pamela. what is she telling them based on your reporting? >> reporter: well, wolf we have learned that she's been speaking to investigators at least a couple of times she's been cooperative. a source close to this investigation tells me she told investigators she ways aware that lubitz had psychological issues and that he was seeking treatment for it. she was aware he was going to see the two doctors. but apparently she did not know the extent of the problems as a source tells me today. she didn't know the full method that was taking place. she was optimistic they would be able to get through this. she thought he was going through treatment, that the problem would be resolved. the source telling me she was just as surprised as everyone else to learn what he did, according to authorities, wolf. >> good pamela thanks very much. while the black box with the cockpit audio was found very quickly and immediately revealed
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stunning details about how and why the plane went down the flight data recorder still missing somewhere in the rubble of the crash site. let's go live to the french alps, karl penhaul is standing by. what are you seeing karl? >> reporter: well wolf, we've been talking a lot to the commanders of the rescue and recovery teams. the various people out there at the crash site pulling in debris, pulling in body parts. there's some good news. the phase of recovery of human remains and their personal possessions could be completed by this week, quicker than expected. and now those recovery and rescue teams have a new hunch. they believe that if the black box data recorder survived that crash it could be buried under shale and gravel at the crash site. once the body parts are removed, they'll start to probe and rake through the gravel to see if the black box may be buried, wolf. >> you're also hearing some
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serious excepty ty skepticism about the video of the last moments of the flight from the french and german publications. what are you hearing from your sources karl? >> reporter: yeah absolutely wolf. i would categorize this as much stronger than except i 6. these are the guys that would have ever recovered the material that's being leaked. they say that yes, they have recovered cell phones and parts of cell phones at the crash site, but they say that there's a chain of custody, that the material is brought from the crash site to here the staging zone and from here it will be sent to a criminal research laboratory in paris. but they're saying that right now any cell phones and cell phone parts that have been recovered are still here. they have not left this area, and none of the data on any of those cell phones has yet been
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extracted. hence they say they simply do not believe what built and paris match is reporting because they say all of that evidence is still here and has not been extracted yet, wolf. >> well you live there in europe. how reliable are these two newspapers, built and paris match? they're both reporting the same thing that someone found at least a part of a cell phone and on there is this horrific video of the last few minutes of what was going on inside that cabin. how reliable are these two publications? >> reporter: well we know certainly that europe tabloids including built and paris match have good aggressive reporters. but we also know that those two publications pay for material. they're in a very competitive environment. and we do know that they published false evidence before. all i can tell you is that we can only talk to named sources that we have been talking to
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throughout the week and built a very close relationship with. i spent the whole afternoon talking to rescue and recovery. when we heard of these allegations, i put in a phone call to them again. they said, look, karl we're the guys that pick that stuff up. we're the guys picking cell phones up and that kind of material up from the dirt. and that material is still here in france. it's not been sent up to the capital for extraction for data recovery yet. there's two sides to the story here. we'll have to see what comes out of it. >> we certainly will, karl. thanks very much. we'll get back to you, karl penhaul reporting from near the crash scene in the french alps. joining us in "the situation room," our aviation analyst miles o'brien, a private pilot, also air aviation pilot richard quest and former safety inspector david as soon as as
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soon assy the french and german tabloids say they have actually seen this remarkable, horrific video of the final few moments before the crash from inside the cabin. several people are heard screaming and crying cryinging out "my god, my god" in several languages. what do you make of this? >> when i heard about it unbelieve absent is what i first thought. unbelievable on many grounds, first that anybody had managed to get this yet, secondly that anybody had printed it and thirdly that anybody had leaked it. it is absolutely extraordinary. now, of course, we're hearing that it's not accurate, which seems to me -- look i don't really -- the problem in the investigation is the pressure and the size and scale of it. there's no doubt that everybody is under enormous pressure to
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find out whatever they can. but, wolf if this is true then it is -- it ranks in my view amongst the most despicable things i've heard about in an accident investigation, if somebody would leak it. if it's true. >> built and paris match are both joint lg reporting, let me read to you what they're reporting. i want miles to stand by and weigh in. one can hear cries of "my god" in several languages. metallic banging can be also heard more than three times perhaps the pilot trying to open the cockpit door with a heavy object. forwards the end, after a heavy shake truonger than others, the screaming intensifies. then nothing. we know the way something like this is supposed to be handled. if somebody finds this something like this it's supposed to go through the chain of command. but we know if these publications are paying for
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things like this something may be tempted to release it. what's your thought? >> i'm never going to come out and say it's a bad idea to get information out to the public in these cases. there's a huge global demand to know what happened on that aircraft. now, you know this is in a category of horrifying. i can only imagine what this is like for the families. but i would like to point out to people that this is the basis for their legal claim against the airlines. every second of terror that they have is exactly how they can build their case for some sort of reparations. so as horrifying as it is this is useful information for the families and fact that it's out now or later, to my mind doesn't really matter. it should come out. it should be -- it's very clear what happened on that aircraft. if nothing else we do need to make sure to the world it's not
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a malfunction of the airplane. this is a workhorse of an airplane and at least we're getting that kind of information out in a timely way. >> yeah. i will say this that what is reported by these two publications according to this alleged video it's pretty consistent with what we have heard coming into the final few minutes of what happened aboard that doomed flight. everyone, stand by. new information coming in. much more right after this. what's your dad want for it? ..like a hundred and fifty grand, two hundred if they want that tape deck. you're not going to tell your dad about the time my hamster had babies in the backseat, are you?! that's just normal wear and tear, dude. (vo) subaru has the highest resale value of any brand... ...according to kelley blue book ...and mitch. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence
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all of this coming as new details are also emerging from the investigation. we're back with our aviation and law enforcement experts. tom funentes, what do you make of this? it's possible somebody decided to leak this information for payment or whatever other reason without the authorities even knowing it was being leaked? it got to these publications. >> right. very easily. i thought from the beginning that they would probably find a couple dozen sim cards or cell phones. that's a solid chip. you can easily analyze it later. it won't be typically destroyed any more than the black boxes would be destroyed. but the idea is that a rescuer, it sounds to me like somebody in that mountain put this in his pocket, went back to the hotel, gave it to 0 eye reporter, got money and maybe turned it back into the authorities. it just to me, the lack of integrity and discipline in this investigation i think is appalling. these leaks rin incredible. we pretty much know what
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happened. fortunately having the voice recorder we already know what happened. but if we didn't and if this was what we were looking at every fact mattered, the fact things are being leaked happen as ardly would be very difficult. >> we know these publications. they're very aggressive in europe, competitive and are willing to spend, pay money for sources for this kind of information, which are huge bombshells. your thoughts? >> well when we're on these investigations, it happens all the time. you've got the news people hounding you. you try to separate this area. if there's people there, right when you get back you're tried, you want to work on something and they're cpmstamtonstantly hammering you, what happened out there? what can i get? i can see something happened here. but as tom mentioned, the fact they've had leaks like this these are very controlled investigations. you have an inspector in charge. everything is documented from point a to point b. so the fact that this leaked it
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is not a tight investigation and it's not looking good for that. i just hope that everything from here forward starts to tighten up. it doesn't appear to go that way. >> every day, every few hour there's's a major leak in what people are learning. i guess we shouldn't be so surprised. miles, let me get back to you. another major development, the word that this co-pilot actually told his superiors at laust tunes na in 2009 what was described as a previous episode of severe depression. he received injections of antipsychotic medication. should that pilot at that point in 2009 been allowed to fly? >> it doesn't seem like it, wolf. this is the most troubling piece of information so far, that lufthansa admits they were informed of this and ultimately he ended up back in the cockpit. what we don't know is what kind of follow-up and monitoring occurred subsequently?
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i would imagine if they were going to release this information, they were aware of his severe depression and the fact he sexfl-reported it they would also say, we monitored him in a very careful way subsequently. it looks like they gave him the once-over pronounced him fit to fly tand that's the end of it. well, it if he had an ongoing heart condition, they would have forced an ekg every six months. i sure hope we get a nice open accounting on the part of lufthansa as to what happened here. i'm hopeful this leads to serious reform about how the airlines handle issues of the brain mental illness issues and depression are every bit as troubling clearly and should be monitored carefully. >> richard quest, how troubled are you about lufthansa supposed supposedly clarifying their earlier denial of psychological issues these co-pilot have? here's the question. did lufthansa drop the ball?
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>> initially we don't know because he leaves training lufthansa -- he self-reports he's left for severe depression, for treatment. now, when he comes back and then he goes from training to being a flight attendant, remember he was a flight attendant first before a job became available then he's given a job in 2013. what we don't know is how much the person who gave him the job looked back saw what had happened three, four years previously. see, this is a difficulty wolf because a four-year gap from when he says he suffered from depression to when he actually gets in the cockpit as a pilot, now, we do not want to stigma stigmatize or condemn anybody who's had recovery from depression in any way at all. the issue here will be what did lufthansa look at or germanwings when they finally gave him the
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job? that's the question. not what they did back in 2009. >> david susy given the excellent safety record lufthansa has had, their record for precision, obviously excellent aviation does this make you more concerned about airline standards right now? if it could happen to lufthansa, probably it could happen to almost any carrier? >> that's exactly it. the first thing we look at is, did the pilot mess up break regulations? that obviously happened. did the airline follow regulations and procedures? knowing lufthansa, i would guess that they did. so there leaves only one thing, which is if the regulations themselves are what need to be examined and regulations and enforcement of those regulations is something i'm looking towards right now to see where that moves. that's where i think the crux of the problem is that's systemic within the regulation. >> everybody, once again, stand by. we have much more coming up. we're about to take a very close
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. the pilot put the plane on autopilot to crash into the french al muches. rene marsh what are you finding outs? >> the aircraft computers knew the plane was in trouble.
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there were loud audible alarms warning the toe co-pilot the plane was in dang irbut it appears the warnings were ignored. could technology essentially taking control of the plane prevented this crash? cnn has learned that more than ten years ago airbus and the manufacturer of the crashed plane, airbus as well as the tech company honey well were working together to develop software that would allow planes' computers to essentially take over flight operations when the plane gets too close to land. honeywell explains today as we speak if a plane is coming in for an instrument landing, the pilot does not have to manually land the plane. there are a series of radio signals coming from the ground kind of guiding the plane in which is denoted with that yellow line that you saw there. so essentially the autopilot loek locks on to the signals and
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is able to land on autopilot. the thinking is if the autopilot can land a plane, perhaps software can take the current system just a step further so that perhaps an aircraft coming too close to land would essentially be able to avoid it. but, you know when you talk too pilots, they say that they don't think that this is a good idea simply because they're afraid that when you have technology like this and you essentially give over control of the aircraft to a computer system there is the chance that of course, someone could hack the system, makes it very vulnerable to that. in speaking with honeywell today, wolf they tell me that they scrapped the plans with airbus. they're not developing it at this point because they do not feel that this technology was mature enough. >> rene thank you. let's bring back our aviation and law enforcement experts, also swroined by dr. lisa van susteren, the psychiatrist.
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david soucie could it have prevented the co-pilot from crashing the plane or could lubitz have found a different way to bring that plane down? >> he was intent on bringing that plane down so rest assured, he would have found a way to do it. this is not 100% safe and you can't protect everyone from every terrorist or any kind of violent activity such as this. however, that technology i was very involved in that during that time the boeing uninterruptible autopilot system, bwas very, very well done. the technology did what it could at that time. it's advanced but it's the vulnerability that made the program scrapped. it's not there yet. i think we'll see it in our lifetimes but it's not ready yet. >> what do you think, miles, about this fek technology? presumably it would prevent its
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dangers if it's activated accidentally, but let's say by some terrorist. >> well, it's interesting. when people say they're nervous about computering being on board airplanes, the horse it pretty far to the barn on that. computers pretty much already fly that aircraft and the pilot is really a voting member and often is overruled by the computers already. adding this one player of protection is probably not a bad idea frankly. however a pilot intent on cashing an airplane can come up with aumll kinds of doing that including flying around until you run out of fuel. in a system like this you need a carveout for an airport. you have to be able to make it to the ground at an airport so a clever pilot intent on crashing a plane could just fly to an airplane and then nose it in there. there's ways around systems like this. you know adding one more check and balance, though why not? >> lisa you're a forensic
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psychiatrist. lufthansa now clarifying earlier denials acknowledging that the co-pilot in 2009 was -- they were told of what they described of a previous episode of severe depression and that he had received injections of what were described as antipsychotic medications. here's the question. should he have been allowed to become a pilot? >> not with a psychosis. if he was deemed -- this is part of their regulations -- if you're psychotic, that eliminates you. >> if you're just treated back in 2009, you can't be cured of that? you'll suffer from that -- psychotic is a degree of gravity you need to pay attention to. it could come upon a pilot when it was unexpected. that is really a degree i think of vulnerability i certainly wouldn't want to assume and i cannot imagine lust thauz saturday would each. >> if he was injected with what were described as antipsychotic medications, give us an example. what does that mean? >> an antipsychotic medication
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is something that treats psychosis. sew koes is means you're out of touch with reality. don't know that was the case with him. but if you're treating someone with an apt tie psychotic, that means that that person was really having a hard time staying grounded. it means that that person has a degree of agitation that needs to be calmed down very quickly. so it's a marker to anyone in this business of real serious illness. >> you write prescriptions for these medications presumably all the time. give us a name of a drug you would use. >> hal dahl prolynxen, thor zeen. but i have to tell you i never use these medications now. these were all the old drugs used when people were in hospitals and needed to be hospitalized. these are not drugs pex are using now. this was a few years ago. but this was decades ago. this is not something you give a person who has depression. >> do they have different guidelines in europe than here?
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>> for antipsychotics? they specifically address psychosis as a reason not to be and if you take an anti psychotic drug presumably that eliminates you. >> please stand by. we're going to have much more coming up on this new controversy that's erupting just over the past few hours over claims that a video taken inside that german airliner shows the terrifying final moments before it crashed. stand by. we're also on the lookout for new demonstrations this hour against an indiana new law that's sparking national outrage. the governor insists it was not intended to allow discrimination. and go to work every single day. i'm one of the lucky guys. i get to play with trains. people say, "wow, we still build that in the united states?"
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we're following new information about the investigation into the crash of flight 9525 but we have other breaking news to tell you about. the make or break deadline for reaching a framework deal on iran's nuclear program was supposed to be minutes from now but ne goeshltgotiateors will get more time. the united states wants to the nuclear effort to be put on the back burner. iran is looking for relief from sanctions. alyse lavin is joining us from switzerland. what's the latest alyse? are they within reach of a deal? >> reporter: well wolf they've been within reach of a deal for several days, they say. but there have been key sticking points. today deputy spokesperson marie
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hav of the state department said the talks would go on for another day into tomorrow past the deadline 15 minutes from now. but now we understand the french foreign minister has told the iranian delegation that he will be leaving in the morning, 5:00 a.m., wolf. in just about six hours from now or eight hours from now, saying that he has to get back to paris. and a real effort it seems to put pressure on the iranians to take the deal wolf. >> so it's approaching midnight over there where you are right now. are they still working through the night, or have these men and women gone to sleep? >> reporter: well, negotiateors are still working. i don't know if they'll work through the night. they may take a few mauer hours of rest, come back in the morning. but these negotiations will end in the morning. the french foreign minister says he's leaving. we understand other ministers are starting to get frustrated really want iran to take the
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deal. these ministers feel they have presented a good deal to iran. the fact they haven't come to agreement is reflective of the fact there is still many unresolved issues. >> negotiations have been goen on for 18 months. thanks elise. we'll get back to you if they break up with an announcement, let us know right way. while the talks go on, for now the u.s. has not -- let's go to barbara starr. >> wolf here's the problem. critical elements of iran's nuclear program are now buried so deep underground that it may be taking one of those options off the table, and that is a quick easy military strike. even as the u.s. and iran struggle to reach a nuclear agreement defense secretary ash carter said there are other ways to stop iran's nuclear program. >> the military options
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certainly will maim on the table. >> but bombing the nuclear sites could be tough. >> even military action would not be as successful as the deal that we have put forward. >> if there is no deal or iran violates a deal any potential bombing campaign by israel or the u.s. would have problems. iran's nuclear sites are spread out, and at least two of them are buried underground. >> translator: the deal being formed will most likely leave iran with underground facilities, a nuclear reactor and advanced centrifuges. >> that's a problem for israel's f-15s because they have to refuel in midair. >> the israelis are going to have difficulty getting to all of the targets in iran. they'll be able to go after the western iranian areas, in essence do things in the 500 to 700-mile range. >> and israel doesn't have large enough bombs to fully destroy
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those underground sites. >> i think that it's a fair characterization to say that they could delay but not destroy iran's nuclear capabilities. >> that's where this 30,000 pound u.s. bomb comes in built by the air force with iran's underground facilities in mind. even then it could still take repeated air strikes, exposing american pilots to iranian surface to air fire. >> for this to be a one mission and we're done kind of scenario is not only unrealistic, it is practically suicidal at this point. >> all of these options on the table as the u.s. experienced a recent brush with iran's military. cnn has learned earlier this month a navy helicopter patrolling over the persian gulf was endangered when an iranian surveillance plane came within 50 yards of the u.s. aircraft. the iranians make two passes in what the u.s. viewed as an
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unsafe manner before the americans broke contact and were able to fly off. a u.s. military official tells cnn the incident may have been ordered by a local iranian commander, most of the interactions with iranians in recent months have been safe. this was not. and a u.s. military official tells me tonight, if a u.s. strike was ordered against iran's nuclear sites, the u.s. military is in a better position to carry that out than they were even a year ago, that there have been classify ready improvements to its intelligence and aircraft capabilities but still the question is iran. nobody thinks iran would just stand by if that happened. wolf? >> do we have any idea how many of those 30,000 pound bombs the u.s. has if they wanted to do a military strike and try to destroy iran's nuclear capability? >> i'll tell you, wolf, that weapon is strictly classified by the u.s. air force.
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. we continue following the investigation in the crash of flight 9525. we're also on the lookout for more protests in indiana. the state has been the focus of national outrage over a new religious freedom law that critics say allows discrimination against same-sex couples. today, the state's republican governor offered a quick fix to prevent businesses from denying services to anyone. >> so the suggestion that because we passed a law to strengthen the foundation of religious liberty in our state courts that we had in some way created a license to discriminate is deeply offensive to me and millions of hoosiers
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and we're going to correct it and move forward. >> cnn's miguel marquez is joining us from indianapolis. did governor pence talk about how he's going to make this more acceptable? >> reporter: that is the million dollar question. legislators are meeting to find out how that fix would look and how to get it procedurally to the governor's desk. it's not exactly easy for them to get the fix to the governor. he said he will not sign any legislation that includes protection for gays and lesbians statewide adding it to their civil rights charter. he's talking about some specific piece of language for the sb 101, the religious freedom act that they have passed here. but they are not specifying what it is wolf. >> we understand that the arkansas state legislature -- they passed similar legislation.
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the governor says he's going to sign it into law. tell bus that. >> reporter: it's similar to indiana's. not quite as exact but defines very broadly entities such as individuals, businesses others that could deny services. all of this relating back to gay marriage and the concerns that many conservatives have after the hobby lobby case where the supreme court ruled individuals could be businesses that they are now taking that and making it into law. i asked governor pence about that and here's how he responded about providing services. >> i don't support discrimination against anyone. the question that you pose though i believe, is -- it's -- we're dealing here in a free
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society with always a careful balancing and interest. and the facts and circumstances of each case determine the outcome. >> reporter: and this is the tough thing that republicans are now dealing with. balancing that concern over gay marriage with religious freedom. wolf? >> miguel marquez, thanks very much. coming up right at the top of the hour more on the breaking news a video reportedly taken inside the doomed airliner. it's now been recovered at the crash scene. we're getting new information. toenail fungus? don't hide it... tackle it with fda-approved jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. once applied jublia gets to the site of infection by going under, around and through the nail. most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. tackle it!
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displaying horrifying images recorded inside flight 9525 as the plane was going down. what we're learning about the final seconds before impact. severe depression. lufthansa airlines now admits it knew the co-pilot had a history of psychological problems before he crashed the plane. why was he allowed to fly? talks extending with the deadline passing, u.s. negotiators will keep working to try to reach a nuclear deal with iran. but one delegation is getting ready to walk out. and fix this law. indian's governor promises changes to the freedom of religion legislation. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news in the flight of flight 9525.
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new claims of cell phone video recovered at the scene. two european publications say the video was shot inside the plane, capturing the raw fear and chaos just seconds before impact. cnn cannot independently confirm the details. but if true the accounts are chilling. also tonight, lufthansa is admitting for the first time that the airline actually knew back in 2009 that the co-pilot andreas lubitz suffered from severe depression. information that it had for years before lubitz flew that jet into the french alps. we have our correspondence and analysts standing by. they are all covering the breaking news. first, let's go to our aviation correspondent rene marsh for the very latest. rene? >> a cell phone has been found at the crash site. the focus now, what sights and sounds did cell phone video capture? french and german publications describing one reported piece of video in chilling detail. if true the video will provide
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investigators with a rare look inside the crash of a major commercial airliner. in the rubble at the crash site a germanwings flight 9525 a cell phone reportedly found. on it video shot from the back of the doomed airbus a320. someone on board captured the terrifying moments that may help investigators understand what happened in the moments before the crash. as reported from french magazine and german newspaper "bild," the video captures metallic banging more than three times. 90 seconds later according to like transcripts, alarms were triggered that sounded like this. >> pull up. terrain. screams, oh my god, in several different languages were heard according to the report. >> i think every pilot across the united states is horrified and very saddened that their profession has been taken to a
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step so low. obviously we'll never know everything about what this pilot was thinking but, again, i have to say, watching this video will be tough to watch. >> reporter: 38 minutes after takeoff, the plane now at 13,000 feet as the captain allegedly pleads open the damn door. the co-pilot is only heard breathing steadily. two minutes later, the plane's right wing is believed to have scraped a mountain. then after a heavy shake, the captain abruptly jerks to the side. the screams intensify. then silence. it's unclear whether a passenger or flight crew member shot the reported video. a french official telling cnn with the rescue efforts says the video claims are completely wrong. and that's a quote. collected, they say they have not yet been analyzed. i should also add, wolf a bae official tells me they are not
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aware of any such video but did not confirm or deny whether the video exists. >> rene thanks he have much. let's get an update from the crash site cnn's karl penhaul is joining us near the crash site. what are you hearing, karl? >> reporter: well certainly, wolf from what i was told this afternoon by commanders of the high mountain rescue and recovery units that are actually carrying out operations at the crash site things have been moving a lot quicker than initially predicted and they say that within possibly tomorrow possibly the day after, that will be the end of recovery of human remains because they are pretty sure that they will have found everything that can be found. they also say that they are going into the weekend, probably by sunday all the personal possessions, all of the belongings that they can recover will also have been recovered. but then of course the black box, where is that flight data
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recorder, the second black box that is still missing? well investigators have a new hunch. they think, because of the speed of the impact that the plane hit that deep-sided ravine perhaps if the black box hasn't been destroyed, may be hidden under shale or gravel. they are preparing to rake and dig through it to see if perhaps the black box has been buried wolf. >> what a task that is. karl thank you very much. tonight, lufthansa is saying it is setting the record straight about what it really new years ago about the mental health of the flight 9525's co-pilot andreas lubitz. the admission is raising even more questions about why lubitz was even allowed to fly. our justice correspondent pamela brown is joining us from dusseldorf germany. what's the latest over there, pamela? >> reporter: well wolf in a stunning turn of events we learned that back in 2009
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andreas lubitz self-reported, even turned over his medical records to the airline when he was going through training indicating that he had just been through a severe bout with depression. tonight, lufthansa officials are admitting it knew it 2009 during flight training that andreas lubitz had suffered from a, quote, severe bout of depression. >> i would expect lufthansa would have handed over everything and would have worked with the prosecutor and investigators to find the solutions. and if they withheld information intentionally, that's not good. >> reporter: head of the german pilots association, jim phillips says the circumstances surrounding lubitz's depression is a critical factor in erm didding whether he should have been able to become a commercial pilot in 2013. >> i would hope that lufthansa required him to see a psychologist. >> reporter: sources tell cnn,
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lubitz seen here flying a glider as a teenager may have been afraid that his medical issues would cause him a loss of his pilot's license which is the primary motive behind the crash of flight 9525. >> we have not found a letter or anything like that that contains a confession. >> the co-pilot's girlfriend knew he had psychological issues but did not know the extent of the problems. she also told investigators she knew lubitz had been to see two doctors, an eye doctor and neuropsychologist and cnn has learned of it very recently deemed the co-pilot not fit to work including a psychosomatic disorder. lufthansa found those documents from lubitz in 2009 today and immediately turned them over to the prosecutors here in dusseldorf to help with the
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investigation after an internal investigation by lufthansa. wolf? >> thank you, pamela brown. let's bring in our aviation correspondent richard quest, former faa chief of staff, michael goldfar and tom fuentes. michael, lufthansa now acknowledges they knew of what they themselves describe as lubitz's previous episode of severe depression and knew he had received injections of anti-psychotic medication. earlier they said that he was hiding all of this. lufthansa knew it then. should this person have been a pilot with 149 people on board? >> the answer is clearly no. >> how does that happen? how does he get through the system? lufthansa is not a fly-by-night operation. >> they have the best capability in the world but, once again, we talked about this. the pressure is in the market for expansion and germanwings
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and low-cost carriers. someone took their eye off the ball. now, the psychologist and psychiatrist who talked to him, there's two different cultural views of this. we have to understand the german view. after world war ii germany after that said that they will never allow the state or the government to intervene in the private lives of their citizens. so in germany, if you do report these problems and nothing happens, you pay a huge price. in the united states if you don't report these problems and something does happen you also pay a huge price. >> yeah. and richard quest, what's your reaction to that revelation? why did it take so long for lufthansa to confirm, to reveal the information it had since 2009? >> oh i have no doubt why it took so long. there was a firestorm here wolf. they've got many many competing issues in the sense of you've got the relatives, you've got what's happening, you're still running the airline, you're just
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trying to find out the facts. you've got to go and get the facts. it does not surprise me that it takes a little bit longer than maybe you and i would like. just to clarify, remember one thing, wolf. people were asking the ceo of lufthansa, detailed questions the day or two after the event. he gives an answer. somebody has to go and find the file and actually look through it and analyze it. it doesn't surprise me that you get these discrepancies. what the ceo said was he was 100% fit to fly. he was talking about when he passed his tests, when he -- he was talking about when he passed his tests, when he became a co-pilot and what they believe to be on the state. that injection and that report goes back to 2009. he didn't become a pilot with them until 2013. >> let me get miles o'brien to react to that because obviously we know the end result of all of this. go ahead, miles.
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>> there should have been all kinds of red flags that came out of that admission to lufthansa and, i'm with michael on this these low-cost carriers are dealing with rapid expansion, low ticket prices and a pilot shortage all at once and they are trying to get people in those seats as quickly as possible. that's why you had a 600-hour pilot, a baby of a pilot in that seat in the first place. they are trying to get people in there too quickly. they are cutting corners. it's as simple as that. and this is an egregious example of that and the airline needs to be held accountable of that and it's going to invite regulation which it should. >> do you agree, richard? >> absolutely not. you're talking about airlines that are regulated glsh what? what is tosh? >> well you can imagine, miles. the reality is you're talking about airlines those same
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airlines regulated by the same regulator in the same structures as a lufthansa or british airways. what miles is suggesting is that the easy jets of this world, the norwegians put this to the ceo of norwegian today, exactly what miles is saying and he said no. bear in mind lubitz was trained by lufthansa. >> what do you expect me to say, richard? >> he was trained by the same people who trained lufthansa. >> well clearly there are some gaps in this system we have created here. at the very least we need to increase the experience requirements for people to fly in an airbus a320. that would be a good start. number two, we need to start recognizing that mental illness is an illness that should be treated like other physical ailments and that people that are psychotic should not be flying commercial airliners. >> stand by guys. i want to get some more on all
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we're back with our aviation experts and the breaking news, new unconfirmed reports out of europe describing video said to be taken from the back of the flight flight 9525 in the final seconds before that plane crashed. tom fuentes, are you surprised this alleged video because two publications in europe saying they've actually seen the videos. official authorities in france are denying -- or at least are pushing back saying they haven't seen this video. what do you make of this? >> the lack of discipline and integrity so far in this investigation, it doesn't surprise me that one of the people on that mountain found a s.i.m. card, put it in his pocket and sold it to one of these tabloids and the next day he could bring it back and say, i just found this. that won't surprise he many. it won't surprise me if they find a selfie made by the co-pilot since he's so narcissistic he may have made his own video in that cockpit and that may turn up.
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on the topic of tosh for richard -- >> when he said that miles was full of tosh? >> he's going to say that i'm full of tosh now. >> it means like utter ridiculous or absurdity or whatever. >> the ceo of lufthansa said when it was divulged that the co-pilot flew the plane into the mountain he doesn't have to worry about the stock hold -- any other issue i don't think that matters more than explaining what did lufthansa know and when did they know it. >> sheer nonsense that's the definition of tosh. >> oh i agree with tom completely. he's had nothing more important to deal with than this. however, you are talking about one aspect of this an aspect that is crucially important and ain't going to change a jot.
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he also has to deal with the regulators. he also has to deal with all of the families the relatives, the arrangements the search and rescue the airline. all of these other things have to be dealt with and he needs to get it right. yes, maybe he misspoke three days after but he has to get it right. >> he should have had his hands on the personnel file within a an hour of that crash. >> let's say the alleged video should it be shown to the public. >> in my view absolutely not. this is an investigation getting out of control. do you think the investigators want to spend their time confirming the tapes or things -- think of the families and how they would feel if this
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got out. sometimes information needs to be disclosed, if something cut across all different airlines we need to get that information out. but i think this is outrageous. >> we did learn from will ripley that they have recovered other cell phones that were found amidst all of the wreckage. what do you think? if that video of the final seconds, people screaming, the horror what was going on the pilots trying to knock on that door should we show that video if in fact we confirm it's authentic? >> i don't think i even want to really watch it wolf. but here's the thing. we have been talking for the past year about investigations that move at a glacial space. airasia. they move at a 19th century pace in a 24-hour news cycle world.
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they need to speed up to reach the demand for information. this is an ugly episode in the release of information. the fact is the information needs to come out, people need to know transparency is important. it's very difficult to draw the line between that desire which i think we all agree on and this rather kind of ugly episode, frankly. >> richard quest, the likes, as you well know over the past week have really been amazing. the detailed information that has come out. >> there have. it's wrong. we need to know of course from which side the likes have come from the prosecutor's side or the investigative side the bea side. and i have to take issues with miles again. do forgive me. but miles is doing the old journalistic two-step. it's got to come out sooner rather than later but where do you draw the line miles?
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this information is going to come out. >> richard -- richard -- i kind of wish you'd quit making apologies for ceos and start thinking a little bit like a journalist for a moment. there's nothing wrong with telling people what went on in that plane. it's important to people in the world to know. it's important for the aviation industry to know what happened. >> but you want the tail to wag the dog. you want the 24-hour news cycle to determine when that information is being given. not the correct -- because exactly what would happen miles, is what tom fuentes has criticized the ceo for. you'll rush out information that hasn't been verified which then has to be corrected and that's what happens if you rush it out before it has had a chance to be verified. >> all right. hold on a minute. i want michael to button this up for us. michael, go ahead. weigh in on this debate. >> well i agree with richard on this. i think that we have no knowledge that any of these likes are in fact going to be
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validated. we don't know -- the investigators -- it's always a series of things. we know the pilot, what he did from the tape. we haven't found the flight data recorder. this is hampering the investigation and there's no reason to believe that there won't be other views on this and then each day we'll respond. >> these reports are amazing, going back over these last several days i've covered a lot of these plane crashes. i don't think i've ever seen information come out as quickly like this over the past week. guys stand by. we'll have much more on the breaking news. the crash of flight 9525 new information coming out, this alleged video as well. also another breaking story we're following, the clock is now being reset. now that a deadline has passed and u.s. nuclear talks with iran will another 24 hours make or break the deal? i'll ask the chairman congressman ed royce, he's standing by live to join us. at cricket wireless, we think you shouldn't have to worry about adding up all the taxes and fees to your monthly bill. that's why our plans start at just $35 bucks after $5 auto pay credit all in.
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more breaking news tonight, u.s. officials say nuclear talks with iran are being extended an extra day now that a deadline has passed only a few moments ago. cnn has learned that the french delegation is threatening, though to walk out and walk out soon. stand by for much more on that. let's go to our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. he's got the very latest. jim? >> this latest extension just a few hours ago. it's the latest of several extensions. a year and a half ago, the first interim deal was signed and went to july of 2014 and then the talks were extended to november of last year in vienna and extended them again to march of this year. just a political framework agreement, a general agreement. the real deadline of course is
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on june 30th when you need a final deal. but the trouble is some of the most contentious issues still have yet to be decided. negotiators worked within hours of the deadline but, again, disappointment. no agreement and one more one day extension. >> our negotiators have determined over the context of a mostly sleepless night last night and long negotiations over the course of the day in europe today that they are going to continue these conversations tomorrow. >> the sticking points remain the same. the pace of lifting economic sanctions on iran how much nuclear research and development iran will be able to maintain and the question of whether iran will ship its stockpiled enriched uranium out of the country for reprocessing into a safer form. the deal's opponents argue that an agreement would leave iran closer to a nuclear weapon.
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>> translator: the deal being formed will most likely leave iran with underground facilities and advanced centrifuges. >> reporter: u.s. officials say any agreement will involve heavy monitoring. >> like any agreement, it can't be based off of trust. it has to be based on confirmation. >> reporter: but it now seems that they are working towards a general statement of principles. leaving the most contentious issues for another deadline june 30th when a final agreement is due. >> it sounds as if progress is being made and i'd say the way the interim agreement has been followed on both sides gives you confidence that the two sides can trust each other and they'll find a work out before it's all over. >> reporter: the reaction from capitol hill to this latest delay is skeptical at best. reached out to the senate intelligence chairman richard burr. this is what he had to say. the potential concessions in the deal are concerning to me especially on critical issues
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that would endanger the safety of america and it is allies and furthermother negotiators can't even decide on what to call this arrangement. no deal is better than a bad deal and if we can't come to a decent agreement, we need to walk away and postpone the talks. there is nothing hard on paper that the iranians have agreed to. you really have a memorandum of understanding tomorrow which is not binding with a lot of the most contentious issues. for instance the pacing of the lifting of the sanctions. >> they are not going to be able to declare victory tomorrow? >> far from it. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. let's get an update now from the site of the negotiations. elise labott is joining us from switzerland right now. i take it it's after midnight the negotiations and talks are still continuing at this late
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hour. is that right, elise? >> reporter: well they are not meeting as a group anymore, wolf. some individual dellegations are meeting among each other and consulting capitals but there's a lot of brinkmanship. a foreign minister said he was returning to paris hours from now. a little bit of a pressure tactic. trying to put the pressure on the iranians. there's been a lot of frustration from the delegates here that iran will not budge. they said that they have made progress but on those key issues iran is really not moving. wolf? >> elise, we'll get back to you. if there's a break through, let us know. i suspect there won't be for a while. let's bring in the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman ed royce of california. mr. chairman thanks very much for joining us. what's your reaction to the fact that they say progress is being made but they need more time? big deal or little deal? >> well i think the administration is not at the
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point that they thought they would be at here because these four major issues of dissension. they expected an agreement with iran on these and thought that they would be extending the technical issues. instead, on all four of these issues the iranians are pushing back and, as a matter of fact it looks like we're actually losing some ground. for a while it seemed as if the question of what would be done with the enriched uranium might be one that would be decided by taking that enriched uranium and having it refined in another country, in russia for example, so that we wouldn't have to worry about the stockpile being in iranian hands and, likewise we had a question about the extent of the enrichment. now they've got a new supersonic centrifuge that they developed in the middle of this negotiation without us finding out. these are very concerning issues especially to the french
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who want the iaea inspectors to have the right to inspect anywhere any time. >> the president's critics are now suggesting he seems to want a deal with iran more than the iranians want a deal. do you believe that? >> well i think we need wolf as you know -- my feeling has been that we need more leverage to get that deal out of iran. and that's why i believe that the legislation that i and elliott engle had passed by a vote of 400 to 20 in the house and they were able to stimy that last night in the senate. i think it would give the additional leverage that would force the ayatollah to make these serious con tegs sessions in the nuclear program. i don't know that we end up at that point without the leverage. >> stand by mr. chairman. we have more to discuss, including new indications the saudis may pursue some sort of nuclear weapon if they are not happy with what this deal has from iran. stand by.
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we're back with the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee congressman ed royce of california. we're following breaking news on nuclear talks with iran being extended for at least another day. mr. chairman the defense secretary ash carter says a military option will in his words, remain on the table. here's the question. do you support, if necessary, a pre-emptive military strike to take out iran's nuclear facilities? >> well that is the position that the president of the united
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states also is articulated. and i think it's one that the united states that we all have supported as being on the table. the question is can we put the types of sanctions on iran that would give them no choice but to make significant compromises and end their nuclear weapons program? if we can do that we've got an alternative. so i think it's important to point out there is this very real option of doing to the regime what we did to south africa which is put the sanctions on of the type that would really collapse the economy and say it's not being lifted until the inspectors can go in. that's the right answer. >> let me read to you a story from today's "new york times." with another major aid recipient, pakistan saudi arabia is also expected to step up its efforts to develop a
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nuclear bomb potentially setting off an arms race in the region. as you know the saudis like the israelis and emirates are concerned about this deal. do you think if they don't like this deal they will develop their own nuclear program? >> well here's why it's so concerning. i and elliott engle had lunch with one of the gulf state ambassadors who shared with us, maybe your administration is willing to allow iran to become that in the middle east but we can't afford to be. now, what does an as ambassador mean we can't afford to be? we see turkey egypt, references that indicate that they may be considering steps. and this is why we have to solve this problem of not allowing iran to go forward.
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secondarily, iran has now opened up a front in yemen where they have overthrown a pro-american government there and yemen is on the saudi border. and the concern on the part of the saudis is that iran will also support this low level insurgency among a shia minority to try to overthrow the government. recently there was a comment by a senior iranian official to the effect we control four arab capitals today. he was referring to yemen, beirut damascus and baghdad. and he was saying he was intimating that additional capitals would fall and this has the saudis so nervous. >> when i interviewed the saudi ambassador, he refused to rule out some sort of saudi nuclear capability if in fact this
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deal -- they hate it it finds them in danger. here's what also worries me mr. chairman. i remember covering the white house during the clinton administration. when bill clinton reached the deal with north korea to end its nuclear program and he said this. listen to the president. >> today, all americans should know that as a result of this achievement on korea, our nation will be safer and the future of our people more secure. >> for a variety of reasons, including cheating and working around that deal that was achieved achieved at that time we know how that deal worked out. north korea has one, maybe several nuclear bombs. based on that and you lived through that period as well you were a member of congress what's the lesson that the u.s. should have learned? >> i think we should have listened to the undersecretary of the treasury stewart levy, who designed a program to put
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the type of sanctions on north korea and if you'll recall for a while he did that because he caught them counterfeiting $100 u.s. bills so he went in and put the sanctions on and the rej joem regime just came to a halt. the general could not pay and they didn't have the hard currency to pay for it. the state department leaned in. this would have been during the bush administration and convinced treasury or overrode treasury in exchange for additional problems. but levy's point was this let's shut down their economy and leave it shut down until they allow the inspectors in anywhere anytime to see if they are cheating. and i think it goes back to that fundamental bottom line. you've got to be able to be prepared to do that and collapse the economic system.
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levy was right. we should have done that as an example to the iranians. we didn't and now the iranians have stolen the playbook from north korea, i believe. >> chairman ed royce from the house foreign affairs committee, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. more on the crash of flight 9525. new information is coming in. also protesters are keeping the pressure up on the governor of indiana. they are very skeptical about his new call to change a controversial law in his words, to fix it to avoid anti-gay discrimination. and a similar uproar is unfolding right now in a second state. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn't get their vaccine?
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we koshl continue following the investigation of the crash of flight 9525. indiana law has sparked growing fury in the united states. critics say it ate lous businesses to discriminate against customers. and now governor pace who introduced the law is asking congress to do something about it. >> reporter: the latest is we have a little breaking news on how they're going to fix that bill. the speaker of the house is now meeting with people across the state, stake holders from
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businesses this as that bill has caused controversy across this state. >> it's been a tough week. >> reporter: indiana governor mike pence today asked congress to fix its new religious freedom law following the growing outrage. >> the suggestion that we had in some way created a license to discriminate was deeply offensive to me deeply offensive to millions of hoosiers and we're going to correct it and move in regard. >> reporter: fix this now blaired the front page in the indianapolis star. as protests popped up across indiana, in a chorus of government officials moved to publicly distance themselves from the law and the state. opponents said the law could allow businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers if the
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owners thought their religious freedoms were being violated. >> it's time for the people of indiana to admit that this is an unbelievable embarrassment to their state. >> reporter: pence who signed the bill in private said the law had been misunderstood, but he also says he got the message. >> indiana has come upnder the harsh glare of criticism from around the country. we want to make it clear that indiana is open for bids. >> reporter: a stark turn around from a combative interview on cbs's this week. >> we want to know if a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple is that illegal now indiana? >> there's been shameless rhetoric about my state. >> reporter: governor pence says by the end of the week he wants to see new legislation on his desk but state democratic leaders are pushing for a full repeal of the law, warning a fix
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is no longer enough. >> the most clear, decisive and understandable thing that we can do is to repeal the statute and repeal it promptly. >> reporter: now these religious freedom acts are picking up steam across the country. arkansas which has gone back and forth on this has just approved them in their house and their senate. protests broke out there and the republican governor says he will sign it. as for indiana, we can expect say republicans here to say that new language the fix here go to conference committee four members total, two democrats, two republicans, tomorrow or thursday then it will be on. >> we'll see how they fix it. thanks very much. let's bring in our chief political analyst gloria borger
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and our cnn legal analyst sunny hostin. did the governor of indiana have any alternative than to say fix this 123. >> this is clearly a law that he sum ported that he encouraged he didn't anticipate the backlash against it. he's a conservative, and he's a governor who stood to lose millions a and millions of dollars of revenues in their state. he said we're going to fix it we're not going to get rid of it. but what he didn't tell us is exactly what they were going to do to fix it. he said there was nothing wrong with the law, that it had been mischaracterized it had -- and
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sunny, the governor in addition to saying that it was mischaracterized the law misperceived he also said this law that was signed in indiana was really no different than the similar law signed by bill clinton in the '9 0s. is it. >> it's different in a couple of ways first it's granting person hood to corporations and now corporations have the same religious protections that individuals do. the other thing the look at is when you look at the burden there's a very low threshold in this new law, instead of substantially busheded the language is very curious it's likely to be substantially burdened. and i think also what's important, you got to look at this in context. when you look at it in context, it was very clear that while
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this was being pushed forward on the floor, law makers voted not to have amendments that would have made it very clear that this law was not meant to discriminate. they intentionally didn't put those safeguards in that many of the other laws have. and since indiana doesn't have anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation, this law is certainly right to give license to discrimination on sexual orientation, and it's very different from the federal law and quite frankly the other states that have similar laws. >> very quickly, under this law, does it cut both ways? for example a gay florist in indianapolis wouldn't want to provide flowers for a christian e evan jell kl -- >> one it not only gives individuals rights it also
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gives corporationless religious rights and there's not a lot of safeguards and it opens it up to lawsuits the government doesn't have to be a party to the suit, it can just be individuals and that's very troubling. >> republicans first have to win their primaries so they're trying to appeal to social conservatives. there are people that really believe that their religious liberty is under assault here. so they are speaking out to these guys who are running for president. but what's happening there is a collision between the business and commerce. to far they have all come out in support of governor pence and what's happening, but the problem is, once it reaches the general election, will they have gone too far or not. same-sex marriage is on the way to becoming a settled debate,
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but individual liberty is going to be a central part of this election. >> it's providing republicans as they run in one direction know the question is how do they -- what direction do they want to in the general? you know jeb bush loves to say that you don't have to win every primary to win the general but you do have to win some primaries. >> he was one of the first supporting governor pence. >> and this was also a law in the state of florida, although it's a different kind of law, there are more protections built into the law in florida but we're going to have to see this play out because this is going to be an issue that the's going to divide republicans in the end. >> we have got to see what the governor does in the next day or so. the time four is supposed to be in indianapolis this weekend. >> thanks very much reason you can always follow us on twitter and you canal always tweet the show at cnn sit room.
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you can always watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. i'll see you again in one hour i'm filling in for anderson 8:00 p.m. eastern, erin burnett out front starts next. breaking news reports of new cell phone video reportedly showing the germanwings flights. plus lufthanza now admitting it now about andreas lubitz depression problem, so why did they say that lubitz was fit to fly fly. and the governor of arkansas following indiana's lead introducing a bill that will allow business